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| 03:27.59 | alexlikerock-1 | help |
| 03:28.10 | alexlikerock-1 | [FAIL] Starting ISC DHCPv4 server: dhcpd[....] check syslog for diagnostics. ... failed! failed! |
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| 03:28.33 | MiyoLinux | Hi everyone! |
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| 03:32.07 | MiyoLinux | If anyone is still using MiyoLinux and has tried upgrading to Ascii, I've posted a fix on the dev1 galaxy forum for the menu. Hopefully, this will also work for greenjeans' Vuu-do distros. :) |
| 03:32.51 | MiyoLinux | It may not be pretty, but it stinkin' works! LOLOLOL! |
| 03:34.19 | MiyoLinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3663#p3663 |
| 03:38.18 | golinux | Good job!! |
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| 04:29.35 | AlexLikeRock | help |
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| 06:41.37 | gnarface | AlexLikeRock: is that all syslog says about it? |
| 06:42.03 | AlexLikeRock | hi gnarface |
| 06:42.35 | AlexLikeRock | https://paste.debian.net/978173/ |
| 06:43.04 | AlexLikeRock | internet ---> Wlan1--> GNU-LINUX ----> Wlan0 ----> AP ---> smartphone |
| 06:43.20 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.20 | AlexLikeRock | <AlexLikeRock> wlan0 = AP / hostpad |
| 06:43.33 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.09 | gnarface | AlexLikeRock: it says you didn't configure it in dhcpd.conf |
| 06:44.18 | AlexLikeRock | i did |
| 06:44.30 | gnarface | AlexLikeRock: it also says you have dhclient installed in tandem, which is working correctly (or so it says) |
| 06:44.34 | AlexLikeRock | Where I put that subnet declaration, whatever it looks like I have no idea. |
| 06:44.45 | AlexLikeRock | https://paste.debian.net/978175/ |
| 06:44.50 | gnarface | AlexLikeRock: i'm guessing you accidentally installed two dhcp clients and that's what has you confused |
| 06:45.31 | AlexLikeRock | like what packages name? |
| 06:45.46 | AlexLikeRock | i have instaled isc-dhcp-server |
| 06:45.57 | AlexLikeRock | what other colud be instaled ? |
| 06:46.06 | gnarface | hmmm, maybe it's my mistake |
| 06:46.15 | gnarface | but try this just to be sure: dpkg -l |grep dhcp |
| 06:46.19 | gnarface | actually |
| 06:46.26 | gnarface | this: dpkg -l |grep dhc |
| 06:47.17 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.17 | AlexLikeRock | ii isc-dhcp-client 4.3.5-3 i386 DHCP client for automatically obtaining an IP address |
| 06:47.18 | AlexLikeRock | ii isc-dhcp-common 4.3.5-3 i386 common manpages relevant to all of the isc-dhcp packages |
| 06:47.18 | AlexLikeRock | ii isc-dhcp-server 4.3.5-3 i386 ISC DHCP server for automatic IP address assignment |
| 06:47.24 | gnarface | hmm |
| 06:47.29 | gnarface | the client AND the server |
| 06:47.33 | gnarface | are you sure that's what you intended? |
| 06:48.04 | AlexLikeRock | the client i need to conect wlan1 by terminal to internet |
| 06:48.25 | gnarface | so you did not intend to install the server too? |
| 06:48.58 | gnarface | https://paste.debian.net/978173/ |
| 06:49.06 | gnarface | in this paste, it's the dhcp server failing |
| 06:49.06 | AlexLikeRock | the server , i install to hostpad |
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| 06:50.42 | gnarface | AlexLikeRock: show me this file: /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf |
| 06:51.10 | gnarface | AlexLikeRock: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/33376/debian-dhcpd-no-subnet-declaration-for-eth0 |
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| 06:51.50 | gnarface | AlexLikeRock: the first answer on that page looks legit |
| 06:51.56 | AlexLikeRock | https://paste.debian.net/978185/ |
| 06:52.50 | gnarface | oh hmmm |
| 06:52.57 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 06:53.04 | AlexLikeRock | \o |
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| 06:53.28 | gnarface | AlexLikeRock: unless there is a syntax error, i guess i don't know |
| 06:54.03 | AlexLikeRock | :) |
| 06:54.06 | AlexLikeRock | mee too |
| 06:54.19 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.28 | AlexLikeRock | https://paste.debian.net/978180/ |
| 06:54.45 | AlexLikeRock | must be appear "wlan0" |
| 06:54.46 | gnarface | maybe you have to ifup it first? |
| 06:54.54 | AlexLikeRock | how ? |
| 06:55.14 | AlexLikeRock | ifup wlan0 |
| 06:55.14 | AlexLikeRock | ifup: unknown interface wlan0 |
| 06:55.30 | gnarface | ah, the plot thickens. does your /etc/network/interfaces file mention it? |
| 06:55.38 | gnarface | you need something like: |
| 06:55.43 | gnarface | auto wlan0 |
| 06:55.47 | gnarface | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 06:55.50 | AlexLikeRock | no |
| 06:55.51 | gnarface | or something like that |
| 06:56.03 | gnarface | or you have to give it a static |
| 06:56.17 | gnarface | doesn't exist if it's not in there at all |
| 06:56.32 | gnarface | unless you're using network-manager on there too |
| 06:56.32 | AlexLikeRock | https://paste.debian.net/978186/ |
| 06:56.36 | gnarface | in which case i dunno where it puts it... |
| 06:56.44 | AlexLikeRock | im not using NETWORK-MANAGER |
| 06:57.12 | AlexLikeRock | wirte this : auto wlan0 iface wlan0 inet dhcp ? |
| 06:57.21 | gnarface | no, actually i think then you need to assign a ipv4 address to wlan0 then |
| 06:57.32 | AlexLikeRock | tellme master |
| 06:57.36 | AlexLikeRock | how? |
| 06:57.39 | AlexLikeRock | :) |
| 06:58.24 | gnarface | stand by |
| 06:58.28 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 06:58.33 | AlexLikeRock | :) :) |
| 07:01.20 | gnarface | ok, this is just an example. you'll might have to change these numbers, but at least it's internally coherent: http://paste.debian.net/978188/ |
| 07:02.11 | AlexLikeRock | ok, |
| 07:02.29 | AlexLikeRock | wlan1 they have a range 192.168.0.X |
| 07:02.43 | AlexLikeRock | (internet conexion) |
| 07:02.45 | AlexLikeRock | so |
| 07:02.48 | gnarface | yea, i'm not sure your dhcp.conf subnet declaration is quite ok. i'm not sure you've segregated the subnets right |
| 07:02.55 | AlexLikeRock | wlan0 what range need ? |
| 07:03.05 | gnarface | probably any other range |
| 07:03.21 | gnarface | it looked like you started to use 192.168.1.X so that is what i built my example around |
| 07:03.38 | AlexLikeRock | fine. lest test |
| 07:04.12 | AlexLikeRock | fail |
| 07:04.19 | AlexLikeRock | changing |
| 07:04.34 | gnarface | the error didn't even change? |
| 07:04.44 | gnarface | ifup: unknown interface wlan0? |
| 07:05.00 | gnarface | you are sure the driver is loaded, right? |
| 07:05.20 | AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/978189/ |
| 07:05.54 | AlexLikeRock | yes, the driver, its working, yesterday i use this wlan0 , to internet |
| 07:06.11 | gnarface | RTNETLINK answers: File exists |
| 07:06.11 | gnarface | ifup: failed to bring up wlan0 |
| 07:06.20 | gnarface | still, this is pretty damning |
| 07:06.24 | gnarface | unless it's already up? |
| 07:06.30 | AlexLikeRock | maybe |
| 07:06.30 | gnarface | it's not already up with the wrong ip is it? |
| 07:06.35 | AlexLikeRock | how to now? |
| 07:06.41 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.13 | AlexLikeRock | what its the package to paste by terminal ? |
| 07:07.21 | gnarface | pastebinit |
| 07:07.24 | AlexLikeRock | pastebiniT ? |
| 07:07.25 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 07:07.28 | AlexLikeRock | tanks |
| 07:07.34 | gnarface | yea, but the default config might need to be changed to point to paste.debian.net |
| 07:08.03 | AlexLikeRock | http://paste.debian.net/978190/ |
| 07:08.17 | gnarface | it's up already |
| 07:08.31 | AlexLikeRock | they take ip 1.2 |
| 07:08.33 | AlexLikeRock | cool |
| 07:08.38 | gnarface | yea, the right ip and everything |
| 07:08.40 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.57 | gnarface | weird the error though... |
| 07:09.00 | AlexLikeRock | coool |
| 07:09.11 | AlexLikeRock | # service isc-dhcp-server restart |
| 07:09.11 | AlexLikeRock | Launching IPv4 server only. |
| 07:09.11 | AlexLikeRock | [ ok ] Starting ISC DHCPv4 server: dhcpd. |
| 07:09.15 | gnarface | it shouldn't be giving that error unless two things are fighting over it |
| 07:09.17 | AlexLikeRock | RUUUUUUUUUUUUUN! |
| 07:09.25 | AlexLikeRock | are runnning !!!! |
| 07:09.31 | gnarface | heh, well whatever works |
| 07:09.42 | gnarface | but if two processes are fighting over it, it may not always work after reboot |
| 07:09.44 | AlexLikeRock | tankyou !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:10.01 | AlexLikeRock | all god deam day with this :D |
| 07:10.01 | gnarface | heh, no problem man :) |
| 07:10.02 | AlexLikeRock | hahah |
| 07:10.07 | AlexLikeRock | tanks alot |
| 07:10.17 | gnarface | well don't thank me too much yet |
| 07:10.22 | gnarface | make sure it's actually working as a dhcp server |
| 07:10.25 | gnarface | all we know is it got an ip |
| 07:11.31 | AlexLikeRock | yep, |
| 07:11.52 | gnarface | cool |
| 07:11.55 | AlexLikeRock | i will continue, with tutorial https://enchufado.com/post.php?ID=341 |
| 07:12.04 | gnarface | ah ok |
| 07:12.08 | gnarface | good luck to you |
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| 07:38.48 | negev | hi, sys/cdefs is missing from my system but /usr/include/features.h tries to include it |
| 07:38.51 | negev | what's going on? |
| 07:38.59 | negev | sys/cdefs.h i mean |
| 07:42.10 | gnarface | negev: just as a guess, this type of error usually means you're missing a *-dev package |
| 07:42.17 | gnarface | (or the kernel headers package) |
| 07:42.32 | gnarface | maybe more than one |
| 07:42.42 | negev | dpkg -S cdefs.h returns libc6-dev and libc6-dev-i386, both of which are apparently installed |
| 07:42.53 | negev | and i can't seem to reinstall them either |
| 07:42.57 | negev | Reinstallation of libc6-dev-i386 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
| 07:43.07 | gnarface | oh hmm |
| 07:43.17 | gnarface | run `apt-get update` first then try again? |
| 07:43.31 | negev | i have that on crontab so i doubt it'll help but ill try it |
| 07:43.39 | negev | nope |
| 07:43.50 | gnarface | hmm. are you on ascii or ceres? |
| 07:43.53 | negev | ascii |
| 07:44.09 | gnarface | it might not be your fault. the repos may be in flux |
| 07:44.29 | gnarface | it happens from time to time with testing and unstable |
| 07:44.31 | negev | a friend of mine is running ascii too and he has cdefs.h |
| 07:44.44 | gnarface | can he re-install his libc6-dev-i386 though? |
| 07:44.59 | gnarface | if he can, maybe see what is different about his sources.list |
| 07:45.43 | gnarface | you didn't ... disable multiarch after having it enabled did you? |
| 07:46.39 | negev | i dunno what that means |
| 07:47.41 | gnarface | nevermind about it then |
| 07:49.32 | negev | ok i copied his sources.list, still can't reinstall libc6 |
| 07:49.33 | negev | wtf |
| 07:50.17 | gnarface | but he tried, and he can, right now? |
| 07:50.23 | negev | apparently yeah |
| 07:50.27 | gnarface | hmmmm |
| 07:50.35 | gnarface | might just be one repo |
| 07:50.45 | gnarface | still ... |
| 07:51.15 | AlexLikeRock | acii ? ceres ? negev |
| 07:51.19 | negev | ascii |
| 07:52.56 | negev | what if i grab the .deb from somewhere, can i forcibly reinstall it with dpkg? |
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| 07:53.49 | gnarface | yea, totally, but ... |
| 07:54.15 | gnarface | if something is wrong with this, that may not work either |
| 07:55.28 | negev | hmmm i have version 2.24-12 |
| 07:55.33 | negev | which seems to be unstable |
| 07:55.50 | gnarface | same version as i've got here |
| 07:56.13 | gnarface | i am using ceres though |
| 07:56.28 | gnarface | not sure if there's updates... |
| 07:56.42 | negev | my friend has 2.24.11+deb9u1 |
| 07:57.11 | gnarface | oh? interesting |
| 07:57.57 | negev | i did have an experimental repo in my sources.list briefly to install something, i guess it could have replaced libc6 |
| 07:58.01 | negev | kinda think i would have noticed that though |
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| 07:59.19 | gnarface | well 2.24-11+deb9u1 is stable, apparently |
| 07:59.34 | negev | yeah i saw that |
| 07:59.40 | negev | do you have cdefs.h? |
| 08:00.06 | gnarface | yes, i have 3 of them actually |
| 08:00.07 | negev | maybe i could just temporarily put unstable in my sources.list in order to reinstlal the libc6 packages |
| 08:00.15 | gnarface | 4 if you count ldap_cdefs.h |
| 08:01.25 | gnarface | looks like 2.24.12 is everywhere else |
| 08:02.05 | gnarface | including ascii |
| 08:02.17 | gnarface | oh wait, no |
| 08:02.23 | gnarface | including ceres |
| 08:02.53 | gnarface | ok, yea you could re-enable it |
| 08:03.02 | gnarface | you might be able to just purge it and install the right version too |
| 08:03.03 | gnarface | not sure |
| 08:03.12 | gnarface | there's a decent chance you got a lot more than just that one package ... |
| 08:03.23 | gnarface | in which case you may have halfway upgraded yourself to unstable |
| 08:04.06 | negev | ehh well the system works, that will get sorted out over time |
| 08:04.35 | negev | purging libc6 would break the system wouldnt it? |
| 08:04.45 | gnarface | yea but maybe not libc6-dev |
| 08:04.51 | negev | pretty sure most things need that in some way |
| 08:04.53 | negev | hmm |
| 08:05.01 | gnarface | the question is if it'll let go of just that one or not |
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| 08:05.15 | gnarface | i think maybe it will |
| 08:05.16 | negev | but then the libraries and headers will be out of sync |
| 08:05.16 | gnarface | try it |
| 08:05.35 | gnarface | only if they are in-sync now |
| 08:05.38 | gnarface | are they? |
| 08:05.41 | negev | yes |
| 08:05.45 | gnarface | oh dear |
| 08:05.46 | negev | all that version |
| 08:05.59 | gnarface | well then you did get more than just that package from unstable/experimental |
| 08:06.13 | gnarface | (unstable and/or experimental - i'm actually not clear right now on that) |
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| 08:06.24 | gnarface | could be a problem |
| 08:06.28 | negev | maybe i should spin up a new vm and reinstall then |
| 08:06.34 | gnarface | oh it's a VM? whew |
| 08:06.40 | negev | well, vps |
| 08:06.44 | gnarface | yea probably faster to just reinstall |
| 08:07.01 | negev | ehh you say that, theres a lot running on it |
| 08:07.06 | gnarface | well |
| 08:07.12 | gnarface | you could upgrade to ceres |
| 08:07.20 | negev | does ceres work? |
| 08:07.29 | gnarface | ...which would be the only supported action in debian right now, btw |
| 08:08.07 | gnarface | not sure what the official stance is on whether devuan supports it or not but you could just hand-downgrade all the packages by specifying the older version on the "apt-get install" command |
| 08:08.09 | negev | i might just get /usr/include from my friend and leave it at that for now |
| 08:08.18 | negev | really cant be bothered reinstalling |
| 08:08.22 | gnarface | and if there are conflicts you just specify all of them on the same command |
| 08:08.25 | gnarface | and then you won't have to reinstall |
| 08:08.43 | negev | hmm |
| 08:08.43 | gnarface | and it's more kosher than just copying part of /usr/include and installing it unpackaged |
| 08:08.51 | negev | ok ill try it |
| 08:08.55 | negev | thanks |
| 08:09.10 | gnarface | it still might just explode though, is why i mentioned the thing about ceres |
| 08:09.20 | gnarface | and yes, ceres "works" but you know... most the time |
| 08:09.45 | gnarface | not devuan's fault |
| 08:09.54 | gnarface | part of the process involves breaking packages |
| 08:10.49 | gnarface | but you really don't want to get into mixing the different releases |
| 08:10.53 | gnarface | that's bad news |
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| 08:16.34 | negev | ok so dpkg -L |grep 2.24-12 shows a bunch of libc packages, plus locales and multiarch-support |
| 08:16.48 | negev | what do you think the odds are of a successful downgrade? |
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| 08:17.20 | negev | is there an easy way to scan for all installed packages whose version doesn't exist in the currently configured apt sources? |
| 08:17.43 | gnarface | um |
| 08:17.45 | gnarface | yes |
| 08:17.52 | gnarface | but i forget what it is exactly |
| 08:18.01 | mchasard | hi |
| 08:18.34 | mchasard | i just would like to remove libreoffice |
| 08:19.18 | gnarface | apt-get purge [package name] |
| 08:19.18 | mchasard | purge command is better ? |
| 08:19.34 | gnarface | if you use remove instead of purge, it may leave system config files |
| 08:19.45 | gnarface | you might want them if for example you might re-install it later |
| 08:19.55 | gnarface | if you never want to see it again, use purge |
| 08:20.02 | mchasard | for all package of libre office ? |
| 08:20.21 | gnarface | if that's what you want |
| 08:20.53 | mchasard | yes cause i only use a small app like abiword |
| 08:21.13 | gnarface | i like emacs :) |
| 08:21.20 | mchasard | lol |
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| 08:21.39 | mchasard | so its not a good thing to remove libreoffice ? |
| 08:22.02 | gnarface | haha i don't care what you do man |
| 08:22.17 | gnarface | it does take up a lot of space, doesn't it? |
| 08:22.34 | mchasard | yes its the reason why |
| 08:22.42 | gnarface | also it requires java doesn't it? |
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| 08:23.26 | mchasard | dont know |
| 08:23.57 | gnarface | yea it might be the only thing on your system that needs java, which also takes up too much space |
| 08:24.46 | mchasard | so should i also purge java ? |
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| 08:25.46 | mchasard | another thing i don't know how i'm loosing grub |
| 08:26.14 | mchasard | and i boot devuan with the enter of another grub from another distro |
| 08:26.26 | mchasard | how to retrieve it ? |
| 08:36.01 | negev | gnarface: i've got a dpkg --list from my friend, compared all the packages with different versions |
| 08:36.11 | negev | if i force-downgrade them all at once will it work? |
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| 08:41.20 | gnarface | negev: it will *probably* work but it also might leave corruptions that will later prevent you from being able to upgrade. that was my experience at least. i don't know what the odds are. that was a few releases ago. |
| 08:42.01 | gnarface | negev: what happens is the package dependency tree gets corrupted to the point that it would literally take longer to weed it out by hand than to reinstall |
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| 08:48.57 | negev | ok well i downgraded the libc6 packages only |
| 08:48.59 | negev | seemed to work |
| 08:49.07 | negev | i have cdefs.h now |
| 08:49.24 | negev | thanks for your help |
| 08:51.21 | gnarface | no problem |
| 08:51.45 | negev | i guess over time the other unstable packages will make their way into ascii and then it won't be out of sync anymore |
| 08:52.34 | gnarface | maybe? |
| 08:52.38 | negev | :D |
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| 10:08.37 | usuario | instaling sega saturn at devuan |
| 10:09.06 | alexlikerock | now downloading games to sega saturn ..... |
| 10:09.16 | alexlikerock | lets see tomorrow |
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| 11:44.10 | bozonius | I'm wondering if anyone can explain this to me (from my apt.log): https://pastebin.com/zSa5vdPp |
| 11:45.24 | bozonius | logwatch is a dependency of postfix? That makes no sense. |
| 11:47.38 | msiism | i think it's more the other way round: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/logwatch (which is not meaning to say that would make more sense) |
| 11:50.45 | msiism | so, you want to remove postfix, but keep logwatch, right? |
| 11:54.29 | msiism | well, "Logwatch is a modular log analyser that runs every night and mails you the results" |
| 11:54.50 | msiism | that implies you would need to have some kind of mta installed |
| 11:55.37 | msiism | which you should on a standrad devuan system. |
| 11:57.39 | bozonius | I don't want to remove either one. I think that postfix remove was just while I was doing some changes in the system. A mis-fire, iirc. |
| 11:58.07 | bozonius | I agree the dependency, if any, should be the other way around. |
| 11:58.30 | msiism | well, it is, isn't it? |
| 11:58.40 | bozonius | at any rate, how do we explain this? Clearly, removing postfix should not remove logwatch |
| 11:59.15 | bozonius | take a closer look -- the command line requested postfix to be removed. It ended up removing logwatch as well. |
| 11:59.39 | msiism | yes |
| 12:00.27 | msiism | bsd-malix, is than am mta? |
| 12:00.45 | bozonius | well, now I know this will happen... I don't plan on removing postfix, so hopefully I won't encounter this again. |
| 12:01.39 | msiism | i suspect that, in your case, for whatever reason, removing postfix would have resultet in not having an mta installed on your system and therefore it would not make sense for logwatch to be installed, since it would not be able to mail anything |
| 12:02.24 | msiism | so, it would get removed |
| 12:02.32 | bozonius | I have no idea -- I only wanted to re-install postfix, so I went to remove it. I had removed exim4, to replace it with postfix, but then I needed to make some changes to the postfix install, hit ^c, and broke the thing. So I decided to remove postfix entirely, and made the changes I wanted to config files, and then re-installed postfix. |
| 12:02.46 | msiism | there you go |
| 12:03.43 | bozonius | I was not aware that logwatch had been removed (no, I don't read all the stuff apt-get says, just some of it) |
| 12:04.50 | bozonius | I don't know -- is an mta required on a standalone system? I mean, if mail is only going locally. |
| 12:04.55 | msiism | the thing here is: that removing the apparently only mta on your system will also remove logwatch, because "Logwatch is a modular log analyser that runs every night and mails you the results", which it won't be able to do without any mta. |
| 12:05.42 | msiism | look like it is |
| 12:05.49 | msiism | looks... |
| 12:05.53 | bozonius | I've had a number of linux systems that did not run an mta (to the best of my knowledge) but its mail system worked somehow. |
| 12:06.21 | bozonius | not very sophisticated, but it seemed to work |
| 12:06.42 | msiism | i don't know too much about it, but i doubt that somehow. |
| 12:07.06 | bozonius | I think an mta is only really necessary if you are sending mail to other systems. Most of the time, I would be sending mail to gmail or the like, so I'd configure t-bird or the like for that. |
| 12:07.16 | msiism | well, at least logwatch wants an mta and that's what's causing the removal, as far as i can see |
| 12:07.35 | bozonius | OK, thanks. |
| 12:07.42 | msiism | np |
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| 13:24.00 | ghettochild2600 | Hey all |
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| 15:56.17 | bob_____ | real nigga hours |
| 15:56.20 | bob_____ | who up ? |
| 15:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | please watch your language |
| 15:57.57 | bob_____ | nah |
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| 16:00.09 | bob_____ | DocScrutinizer05, have you ever worked on efl ? |
| 16:04.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enlightenment foundation libs? nope, only touched them indirectly |
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| 16:05.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | my colleague rasterman was very active with them iirc |
| 16:06.11 | bob_____ | huh |
| 16:06.14 | bob_____ | interesting |
| 16:08.59 | msiism | can anyone confirm that starting the xserver (via "startx") on ascii currently freezes the system? it does on my laptop. |
| 16:13.16 | gnu_srs | msiism: Nope |
| 16:13.49 | parazyd | msiism: it doesn't freeze, but you don't have input anymore |
| 16:14.01 | gnu_srs | Which window manager do you intend to start? |
| 16:14.03 | parazyd | msiism: how did you get ascii? |
| 16:14.15 | parazyd | msiism: and do you have a DM like slim/lightdm? |
| 16:14.24 | msiism | ok, well i tried it as root. there at least i was able to still switch ttys |
| 16:14.35 | msiism | parazyd: i installed jessie and upgraded |
| 16:14.51 | msiism | parazyd: i have no dm and no wm either |
| 16:15.02 | parazyd | ok then there are two solutions |
| 16:15.14 | parazyd | either install lightdm, or install eudev from 'experimental' |
| 16:15.16 | gnu_srs | what is the content of .xinitrc then? |
| 16:15.40 | parazyd | though yeah, if you don't have a window manager, there might be some other issues to solve first :p |
| 16:15.56 | msiism | ok, trying to "killall Xorg" just froze my system again. have to reboot that. |
| 16:16.10 | parazyd | you should rather killall xinit |
| 16:16.40 | msiism | parazyd: i removed the window manager to be sure if X itself is the problem. |
| 16:16.47 | msiism | parazyd: ok |
| 16:16.58 | gnu_srs | Try with windowmaker: cat ~/.xinitrc; exec /usr/bin/wmaker |
| 16:17.33 | gnu_srs | Doesn't require dbus and such |
| 16:18.13 | msiism | gnu_srs: wel, i was going to use openbox, so that should be fine. (and i think that any wm depending on dbus is not sane, is it?) |
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| 16:19.05 | msiism | gnu_srs: btw, as this is a fresh install, .xinitrc doesn't exist yet |
| 16:19.30 | aitor | msiism: installing xinit, xserver-xorg and openbox, startx should work |
| 16:19.51 | gnu_srs | Other WMs would work with dbus-x11: 1.10.18-1+devuan2.3 |
| 16:19.51 | msiism | aitor: i've got all that. |
| 16:20.18 | aitor | i didn't try it on ascii |
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| 16:20.31 | msiism | ok, trying to startx as a normal user again... |
| 16:21.54 | msiism | so, that leaves me with no way of input and no way to switch ttys |
| 16:22.33 | gnu_srs | cat /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config: allowed_users=anybody; needs_root_rights=yes |
| 16:22.54 | parazyd | gnu_srs: that as well |
| 16:23.09 | msiism | ok, let me see |
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| 16:25.11 | msiism | gnu_srs: Xwrapper.config doesn't exist yet. |
| 16:25.30 | parazyd | msiism: search for 'xorg legacy' |
| 16:25.32 | parazyd | it's that package |
| 16:25.46 | msiism | parazyd: oh, i remember i did not install that |
| 16:26.24 | msiism | i explicitly deselected it |
| 16:26.28 | parazyd | :D |
| 16:26.30 | msiism | so, ok, i'll get that |
| 16:26.40 | parazyd | understandable, i mean, who wouldn't :D |
| 16:26.46 | parazyd | i also learned the hard way |
| 16:26.54 | gnu_srs | apt-get install xserver-xorg-legacy |
| 16:27.07 | msiism | gnu_srs: doing it now |
| 16:29.42 | msiism | well, i fear this didn't solve the problem... let me see |
| 16:30.44 | DPA | I think xserver-xorg-input-{evdev,all} are for keybord input |
| 16:30.58 | msiism | ok, i still have to configure Xwrapper.config as it seems |
| 16:31.16 | msiism | DPA: i've got all the input packages installed |
| 16:31.41 | parazyd | yeah put "needs_root_rights=yes" in Xwrapper.config |
| 16:32.23 | msiism | ok |
| 16:34.18 | msiism | it already has an entry "allowed_users=console" in there. it that ok? |
| 16:34.37 | parazyd | yes |
| 16:34.40 | msiism | good |
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| 16:37.03 | msiism | well, now i still can't type anything in x, but at least i can switch ttys |
| 16:37.39 | parazyd | do you have an open terminal in x? |
| 16:37.45 | msiism | yes |
| 16:37.53 | msiism | that is the only thing being displayed |
| 16:37.55 | parazyd | so, no input... |
| 16:38.08 | parazyd | you might be a bit fucked |
| 16:38.11 | parazyd | udev version is 232? |
| 16:38.31 | DPA | Does the mouse move? |
| 16:38.42 | msiism | i just tried ti killall xinit, which worked by then tried to switch ttys which let to another freeze-up, so, just a moment |
| 16:39.07 | msiism | DPA there's no mouse pinter to be seen inpure x. but there was in openbox and it did not move. |
| 16:39.26 | msiism | i'm gonna reinstall openbox |
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| 16:41.11 | DPA | I'm pretty sure the there is a black 'x' as default cursor in pure X |
| 16:41.43 | msiism | DPA: ok, mouse pointer in openbox now moves |
| 16:42.15 | msiism | ad i can type stuff into xterm when i start in from the wm's menu |
| 16:42.16 | parazyd | msiism: what's your udev version? |
| 16:43.06 | msiism | parazyd: 232-25 |
| 16:43.21 | parazyd | from my understanding that version is the culprit of this |
| 16:43.27 | msiism | ok |
| 16:43.31 | parazyd | in heads i've also had to "needs_root_rights" |
| 16:43.35 | DPA | In pure X, you have to move the X cursor over the terminal if you want to input anything. |
| 16:43.39 | parazyd | but it was a hit and miss |
| 16:43.44 | parazyd | udev-215 worked, but was too old |
| 16:43.50 | msiism | i actually wanted to find a way to use eudev |
| 16:43.53 | parazyd | so i switched to eudev, with needs_root_rights |
| 16:44.02 | msiism | DPA: ah, ok, thanks for the hint, i'll try that. |
| 16:44.12 | parazyd | gnu_srs and i have a package in experimental |
| 16:44.29 | parazyd | msiism: so you can add the experimental repo and explicitly install eudev |
| 16:44.36 | msiism | parazyd: ok, what would be the apt line? |
| 16:44.43 | msiism | i mean sources list line |
| 16:44.55 | parazyd | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental main |
| 16:45.01 | msiism | ok, thanks |
| 16:45.05 | msiism | i'll try that |
| 16:45.25 | parazyd | please do :) and report back! |
| 16:46.59 | aitor | eudev is also in the repos of trios: |
| 16:47.00 | aitor | http://mirror.org.rs/trios/mia/pool/eudev/e/eudev/ |
| 16:47.19 | msiism | btw, i remember there is also udevil, which is ised by spacefm |
| 16:47.36 | parazyd | udevil is something else, isn't it? |
| 16:48.01 | msiism | parazyd: well, i thought it was a device handler, but i may be wrong |
| 16:48.28 | msiism | apt says "alternative storage media interface" |
| 16:48.29 | bob_____ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:48.37 | parazyd | i think udevil works along with udev |
| 16:48.45 | parazyd | what bob_____ said |
| 16:48.45 | bob_____ | https://ignorantguru.github.io/udevil/ |
| 16:48.55 | msiism | i see |
| 16:49.50 | bob_____ | IRC Channel - #spacefm on irc.freenode.net |
| 16:50.15 | msiism | bob_____: well, the last time i stopped by there, i was told that development is dead. |
| 16:50.31 | bob_____ | it probably is |
| 16:50.48 | bob_____ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:51.08 | msiism | i wonder why (develeopment is dead). spacefm seemed like a good alternative to pcmanfm |
| 16:51.26 | bob_____ | i have never used spacefm |
| 16:51.39 | bob_____ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:51.45 | msiism | bob_____: i know. i'm sort of trying to build a desktop without dbus etc. |
| 16:52.08 | msiism | i mean, i know about spacefm being independent of all this... |
| 16:52.11 | bob_____ | ive been having a crisis of fath |
| 16:52.16 | bob_____ | i stopped using linux |
| 16:52.45 | msiism | well, i had no faith before, so i'm still on linux |
| 16:53.54 | msiism | as for pcmanfm: it has the clearest layout i've every seen in a file manager. that's what has been keeping me use it. |
| 16:55.39 | bob_____ | maybe |
| 16:55.52 | bob_____ | but lxde is iffy |
| 16:57.36 | msiism | that's probably true. but i'm not using it, just the file manager |
| 16:57.52 | aitor | iffy, why? it's openbox with some aditional features |
| 16:58.24 | bob_____ | everytime i tried to use it |
| 16:58.27 | bob_____ | i break it |
| 17:00.42 | bob_____ | nothing has been good since kde 2 |
| 17:01.47 | golinux | thinks kde has never been good |
| 17:02.07 | unixman | Hrm, I wonder how I ended up with Pah!Audio on my 64-bit Devaun VM. Is that a default with a GUI install? |
| 17:03.04 | msiism | parazyd: installing eudev package wokred (but it did apparently not really remove udev as it said it would, so i purged that afterwards) |
| 17:03.22 | aitor | bob_____: you are a nostalgic |
| 17:03.37 | bob_____ | yeah |
| 17:04.26 | aitor | try lumina desktop |
| 17:05.03 | msiism | aitor: have you tried it? |
| 17:05.07 | bob_____ | with a desktop environment |
| 17:05.14 | bob_____ | i dont want a million components |
| 17:05.22 | bob_____ | i dont want to be able to theme it |
| 17:05.35 | bob_____ | i was thinking forking twm and adding a taskbar or something |
| 17:05.40 | aitor | msiism: i tried once about a year ago |
| 17:06.03 | bob_____ | aitor, does it work on linux ? |
| 17:06.17 | msiism | aitor: ok, i've read about it a bit and it seems very promising. |
| 17:06.20 | aitor | it's promising |
| 17:06.37 | bob_____ | i would very much like a monolithic desktop environment |
| 17:06.42 | msiism | bob_____: i've tried building lumina on devuan jessie recently, but i didn't get to work. |
| 17:07.09 | aitor | there are .deb packages somewhere |
| 17:09.52 | msiism | well, i couldn't find any. and they will possibly have dbus a a dependency |
| 17:09.54 | unixman | Xfce4 Everywhere (tm)(c)(r) |
| 17:11.44 | bob_____ | xfce4 is better than anything else currently |
| 17:12.14 | parazyd | that's fairly subjective |
| 17:13.38 | bob_____ | nah |
| 17:14.18 | bob_____ | my fans shart themselves if i run anything other than xfce |
| 17:14.29 | bob_____ | and i wouldnt run anything else even if they didnt shart |
| 17:15.47 | parazyd | that's fairly subjective |
| 17:15.53 | parazyd | :p |
| 17:16.48 | bob_____ | nah |
| 17:17.04 | unixman | Objectively, Xfce4 is better than any other GUI. <- There, it is objective. :P |
| 17:17.20 | bob_____ | everything i say is the defacto objective truth |
| 17:17.37 | parazyd | lol |
| 17:18.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | except "shart" |
| 17:18.11 | unixman | Your disagreement with us is subjective of course. ;) |
| 17:18.35 | msiism | well, xfce jumped to gtk3, didn't it? |
| 17:18.55 | bob_____ | not all components msiism |
| 17:19.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | !dict shart |
| 17:19.20 | msiism | bob_____: ok, didn't know that |
| 17:19.22 | parazyd | !urban shart |
| 17:19.33 | parazyd | ah it doesn't search urbandictionary :( |
| 17:19.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, doesn't |
| 17:19.46 | bob_____ | shart = shit |
| 17:19.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta |
| 17:19.56 | parazyd | :D |
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| 17:22.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | apropos fans, I somewhat have to agree with that. I run a systray applet showing CPU load on every machine I use. And first thing I do is I open up system monitor to kill processes just in case every now and then. Might not get a chance to open it in time when needed |
| 17:24.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | though *usually* my CPU load is pretty low: http://wstaw.org/m/2017/07/26/plasma-desktopnP8317.png |
| 17:26.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | what really sucks is mem usage from all those "zombie" Konqueror processes lingering on |
| 17:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | I prolly should write a job that finds and kills all 'Konqueror .*' processes that don't have a window anymore |
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| 17:29.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | alternatively I do a killall konqueror every other month, and hope for "restore all sessions" actually doing its job afterwords |
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| 17:31.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | before somebody kicks in educating me... Yes I know there's KDE5 now and I know Konqueror is obsolete since ages |
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| 17:35.29 | aitor | bbl |
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| 17:50.04 | bob_____ | <DocScrutinizer05> alternatively I do a killall konqueror every other month, and hope for "restore all sessions" actually doing its job afterwords |
| 17:50.08 | bob_____ | consider not using kde |
| 17:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | not an option |
| 17:53.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | even though KDE sucks (nowadays), my autistic parts got used to all the customizations I added during 15+ years |
| 17:55.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | and it's particularly non-KDE apps like e.g. kicad that are almost unbearable unless they get augmented by fixes I added to kde for them |
| 17:55.27 | muep | I never get used to them because the settings differ on the computers I use |
| 17:59.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | stuff like overriding the brainfart hardcoded window size of a popup window in an app for example |
| 18:02.32 | unixman | Yay, PhewAudio all gone now. :) |
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| 18:46.12 | MinceR | what is the official kde5 browser? |
| 18:46.44 | MinceR | DocScrutinizer05: maybe your customizations can be applied to TDE too :> |
| 18:47.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | Trinity? yes, pondered that |
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| 18:47.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((kde5 browser)) nfc, FF maybe |
| 18:49.53 | MinceR | strange |
| 18:49.57 | MinceR | not even rekonq :> |
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| 19:21.11 | bill-auger | "default" is probably the better word to describe that situation rather than "official" - outside of GNU, redhat, and suse there is very little in the FOSS world that is officially "official" - official implies an office and officers - i dont think KDE has any of those |
| 19:22.05 | bill-auger | also i think that for the most part the web-browser is not considered part of any desktop environment - but it usually chosen by the distro |
| 19:22.40 | bill-auger | the old-school konqueror being the notable exception back in the day |
| 19:26.31 | MinceR | well, kde at least used to ship with a lot of applications |
| 19:28.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think that didn't change |
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| 21:23.21 | aitor | infobot: bullshart = bullshit |
| 21:25.51 | greenjeans | no |
| 21:25.59 | greenjeans | shart is different |
| 21:29.58 | aitor | shart also means something like brief? |
| 21:32.43 | saptech | hello all. I do not have a mate-user-guide package |
| 21:33.04 | saptech | when I click the Help button there doesn't seem to be any help documents. What index file am I missing? |
| 21:33.33 | saptech | I get messages like this for mate apps, "The URI âhelp:mate-terminal/indexâ does not point to a valid page." |
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| 21:44.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | a wild guess would be: the mimetype for "help:" service is incorrectly configured |
| 21:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | find / -path '*mate-terminal/index*' -ls |
| 21:51.55 | saptech | let me try the find cmd |
| 21:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | will take a while |
| 21:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | a few minutes |
| 21:52.29 | saptech | ok |
| 21:52.53 | saptech | it is blank |
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| 21:53.55 | saptech | when I google it, I saw others saying it had something to do with Gnome 2 |
| 21:57.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-file (on debian) doesn't know about mate-terminal/index |
| 21:58.18 | greenjeans | @saptech: did you have a specific question? |
| 21:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | so unless it gets created dring install time, it's a mistake to ask for that file |
| 22:00.11 | saptech | greenjeans, I was wondering what index file I would be missing, if any |
| 22:01.08 | greenjeans | oh, I meant did you have another problem with mate that you needed the help file for |
| 22:01.36 | saptech | DocScrutinizer05, I can't remember if it happen with gnome 2 but google searching I seen were others said it may not have carried over to Mate or something similar |
| 22:02.29 | saptech | greenjeans, I just happen to noticed I wasn't getting any Help info when I click the Help buttons on different apps |
| 22:03.27 | greenjeans | yeah, it was hit-or-miss a lot of the time back in the gnome 2 days, with the split from gnome it seems it's been abandoned mostly |
| 22:03.55 | greenjeans | yelp used to be the gnome help program, maybe still is but nothing will apply to mate |
| 22:05.04 | greenjeans | Mate has some other quirks too these days |
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| 22:07.53 | greenjeans | unfortunately the gnome3 stupid had already crept way into gnome2 before the fork, and made it's way into Mate as well |
| 22:09.09 | greenjeans | I still use it daily, but Openbox keeps getting better and better, so I work in it a lot more these days |
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| 22:12.47 | aitor | openbox needs an openbox-control-center |
| 22:12.53 | saptech | openbox is my preferred environment |
| 22:13.02 | aitor | :) |
| 22:13.21 | saptech | I install Mate for the family to use, feel easy for them |
| 22:14.00 | saptech | when I try to run Mate Control Center, it always freeze for me |
| 22:14.15 | saptech | run it while using Openbox, that is |
| 22:14.48 | aitor | nothing has been good since kde 2 :( |
| 22:15.01 | aitor | lol, time to bed |
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| 22:15.12 | aitor | bye |
| 22:35.55 | fugitive | heh, just to say, that i am very very pleased with devuan jessie, i switched from Strech which was lagging as hell my browsers, and with Devuan my load avg doesn't go up to 1 :)) |
| 22:40.23 | Xenguy | World domination, one debian user at a time ;-) |
| 22:40.34 | Xenguy | But seriously, good to hear fugitive |
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| 22:41.09 | fugitive | haha |
| 22:42.06 | Xenguy | fires up the latest Twin Peaks episode ... |
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| 23:09.07 | saptech | yes, devuan is really nice |
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| 23:30.46 | saptech | I just thought about when I installed devuan, it created a swapfile but I already had a swap partition. how can I find the swapfile and disable it and use the swap partition? |
| 23:32.04 | specing | saptech: see /proc/swaps |
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| 23:36.27 | saptech | ok |
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