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| 07:48.57 | goob | who up ? |
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| 08:33.43 | g0zzy | Has any of you got any material you used to make a Devuan live with live-build? |
| 08:34.08 | g0zzy | (where a successful image was built) |
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| 08:39.27 | gnarface | g0zzy: for whatever it may be worth, refractasnapshot worked for me, and it was really easy |
| 08:42.13 | g0zzy | Thanks. I was going to use that but i think i'm right in saying it can only be used to make derivations from an *installed* system (as opposed to another live)? |
| 08:43.04 | gnarface | yea that's the part that made it easy |
| 08:43.37 | gnarface | i can imagine plenty of reasons that may not fit the task |
| 08:43.57 | gnarface | but it's worth noting that it's reasonably easy to simulate in a vm |
| 08:44.14 | gnarface | maybe even a chroot, not sure |
| 08:46.14 | g0zzy | I think what i might do is to install to a stick first |
| 08:46.30 | gnarface | that might work |
| 08:46.35 | gnarface | also probably kvm |
| 08:47.14 | g0zzy | I think i'd sooner avoid the complexity of a vm |
| 08:47.25 | gnarface | qemu is surprisingly simple |
| 08:48.37 | gnarface | qemu-img create -f qcow2 vdisk.img 10G |
| 08:48.42 | gnarface | qemu-system-x86_64 -hda vdisk.img -cdrom /path/to/boot-media.iso -boot d -m 384 |
| 08:48.58 | g0zzy | You know what - i've always found it complicated ;) |
| 08:50.37 | gnarface | well, try the usb stick first i guess, lemme know if it works |
| 08:51.04 | gnarface | the problem is it'll be really slow, so if you're planning to do a big image, it might strain your patience |
| 08:51.13 | g0zzy | e.g. what is vdisk.img in the above? |
| 08:51.23 | gnarface | basically just a disk image file |
| 08:51.40 | g0zzy | Does qemu provide them? |
| 08:52.20 | gnarface | it provides the tools to make them. honesty i think it works with raw images created from dd, too. the example i googled up and copy&pasted from isn't directly appropriate (redhat) but i just wanted to show you it could be relatively simple to run it |
| 08:52.37 | gnarface | the first command creates a blank image, the second one launches a hypothetical install iso |
| 08:53.04 | gnarface | (to install the the blank image) |
| 08:53.08 | g0zzy | Well i've got everything to launch that (including Refracta) but no disk.img |
| 08:53.43 | gnarface | well you have to run the first command to create it |
| 08:53.50 | gnarface | it creates it in the current directory |
| 08:54.00 | gnarface | not 100% sure but also -hda might be -sda now |
| 08:54.04 | g0zzy | Oh sorry - missed that ;) |
| 08:54.08 | gnarface | it might not matter |
| 08:54.29 | gnarface | "10G" is for 10 gigabytes |
| 08:54.33 | gnarface | you can change that |
| 08:54.55 | gnarface | obviously a live image has size limitations... |
| 08:54.55 | g0zzy | Yes, seems i could make it smaller perhaps for standard Refracta? |
| 08:55.50 | gnarface | i think it's probably a good idea |
| 08:55.54 | gnarface | i'm not sure it actually matters |
| 08:56.26 | g0zzy | I think it's probably sparse anyway |
| 08:56.31 | gnarface | it'll affect how big the image is on your harddrive obviously though |
| 08:56.39 | gnarface | yea, but it's probably sparse |
| 08:57.45 | g0zzy | So, are you saying you originally ran the Refracta installer like that? |
| 08:58.00 | gnarface | no |
| 08:58.10 | g0zzy | Ah. I'm getting confused |
| 08:58.11 | gnarface | i installed it to a laptop with a dead video card and a 160GB harddrive |
| 08:58.19 | gnarface | then used refracta on that |
| 08:58.34 | g0zzy | Ah OK |
| 08:58.53 | gnarface | i can't help you with live-build, i merely suggested this may be a simpler approach |
| 08:58.59 | gnarface | should work in theory as far as i know... |
| 08:59.20 | g0zzy | Yes, i've certainly had a lot of wasted time with lb |
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| 09:07.15 | gnarface | an even easier approach might be a chroot |
| 09:07.30 | gnarface | i don't know if that will work, but you might have to remember to explicitly install grub and the kernel and kernel headers to make it work |
| 09:07.49 | gnarface | but it's so much easier to try, that it might be worth trying just for science |
| 09:09.36 | g0zzy | It would be great if you could just install a package that would do 'refracta snapshot' on any system (such as Devuan ;)) |
| 09:15.33 | gnarface | yes, it would be |
| 09:15.44 | gnarface | i wonder why it's not in debian... |
| 09:16.04 | gnarface | i don't recall it being that hard to build though |
| 09:17.03 | KatolaZ | g0zzy: you should have a look at live-sdk |
| 09:17.11 | KatolaZ | live-build has a lot of problems |
| 09:17.21 | KatolaZ | the live Devuan images are obtained with live-sdk |
| 09:17.31 | jaromil | also the vm images using vm-sdk |
| 09:17.38 | jaromil | and the arm images using arm-sdk |
| 09:17.49 | KatolaZ | just stop using the live-build mess :D |
| 09:20.31 | jaromil | there is lots of work ongoing on *-sdk which is becoming a distro-agnostic suite also visible here https://github.com/dyne |
| 09:21.06 | g0zzy | KatolaZ: I'm glad you said that. Sometimes i'm reluctant to criticise the work of the Live people but it's certainly had me tearing my hair out |
| 09:21.50 | KatolaZ | g0zzy: it has become a real mess |
| 09:22.03 | KatolaZ | it was great when the project started |
| 09:22.16 | KatolaZ | then they managed to clutter it with all sort of garbage |
| 09:22.51 | KatolaZ | and now it practically works only on Debian, under certain weather conditions, and only if you have sacrified the right number of goats to the correct hindu gods |
| 09:24.18 | g0zzy | Is this vm-sdk a VMWare thing? |
| 09:24.29 | g0zzy | live-sdk sorry |
| 09:24.50 | parazyd | no, vm-sdk currently makes vagrant boxes and qemu qcow2s |
| 09:24.56 | KatolaZ | no golinux |
| 09:25.01 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 09:25.03 | KatolaZ | no g0zzy |
| 09:25.05 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 09:25.05 | parazyd | the qcow2 dshould work in vmware though |
| 09:25.24 | parazyd | live-sdk produces bootable ISOs |
| 09:25.46 | jaromil | our -sdk suite uses the same definitions of packages and pre-post-inst scripts to generate all targets |
| 09:26.32 | jaromil | we recommend using that, but refractascript is also very good for quick snapshots |
| 09:28.21 | g0zzy | https://github.com/dyne/vm-sdk.git then? |
| 09:28.52 | KatolaZ | g0zzy: if it's a live what you want, you should use live-sdk |
| 09:29.15 | parazyd | g0zzy: git.devuan.org/sdk |
| 09:29.59 | jaromil | yea git.devuan.org/sdk has them all in one place |
| 09:31.54 | jaromil | and there is this manual for now, which is related to another project where we use devuan and the sdk https://files.dyne.org/decode/DECODE_OS_Software_Development_Kit_%28SDK%29_0.6.pdf but we'll line up a good start page once we finished testing everything |
| 09:32.02 | g0zzy | Thanks. Shall look |
| 09:40.18 | g0zzy | I take it that Mate stuff should probably be seen as dubious, because of the Gnome element? |
| 09:40.58 | KatolaZ | g0zzy: AntoFox has sanitised MATE for jessie |
| 09:41.04 | KatolaZ | we will include it in jessie-proposed |
| 09:42.10 | g0zzy | But can it remain sanitized with enough ease to not get left in a backwater? |
| 09:42.29 | parazyd | anto is maintaining it very well |
| 09:42.38 | parazyd | and it's even the latest version iirc |
| 09:42.42 | g0zzy | Right |
| 09:43.30 | g0zzy | used to be an xfce stalwart but began to think Mate looked better |
| 09:43.40 | parazyd | g0zzy: http://hezeh.org/the-hezeh-repository/ |
| 09:43.46 | parazyd | this is anto's repo/website |
| 09:47.06 | g0zzy | I'll be interested to see how he's done wicd with that |
| 09:49.02 | parazyd | g0zzy: there is even networkmanager cleaned up somewhere in the devuan repos |
| 09:49.08 | parazyd | maybe jessie-proposed or something |
| 09:49.28 | g0zzy | Yes, as I think there's at least an aesthetic price to be paid for avoiding the Poetterbork of NM |
| 09:57.22 | KatolaZ | g0zzy: network-manager is in jessie stable |
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| 10:19.24 | g0zzy | It'd probably stick in my craw to install it ;) |
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| 10:30.16 | malinas | hi, got a problem with virtualbox-dkms that fails to compile, both virtualbox and the kernel are pulled from jessie-backports |
| 10:30.44 | malinas | someone else posted about the same problem and got as a reply "Either downgrade your kernel, or upgrade to virtualbox 5.1.12 or higher." |
| 10:31.11 | malinas | shouldn't packages coming from backports be at least compatible between themselves? |
| 10:33.16 | jaromil | there is a more recent reply i gave |
| 10:33.31 | jaromil | has to do with symlinking /etc/debian_version to /etc/devuan_version |
| 10:34.48 | malinas | nope, it doesn't solve the problem |
| 10:34.57 | malinas | it's a compile time error |
| 10:36.28 | malinas | error: too many arguments to function âget_user_pagesâ |
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| 11:01.41 | jaromil | ack. then i don't know. we have it working on ASCII with that fix, latest vbox version |
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| 11:07.04 | malinas | the version of virtualbox in backports is actually quite old, maybe bumping it could solve the problem |
| 11:07.37 | malinas | well, "quite" |
| 11:10.21 | jaromil | we do not recommend using anything related to virtualbox in debian repositories. it must be installed from upstream. same with vagrant. I say this because of working regularly with these technologies and none of the debian packages works. |
| 11:10.50 | jaromil | if it'd be just my decision, i'd actually remove these packages from the repositories. |
| 11:15.23 | rrq | hmm, I have a week-old jessie installation, with backports added and both apt-cache and apt-policy fail to reveal any virtualbox package ?? |
| 11:17.02 | rrq | malinas: would you mind tell what `apt-cache policy virtualbox` says (if that is the package name)? |
| 11:21.44 | rrq | ah; it's in "contrib"... 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1 |
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| 14:21.21 | g0zzy | Anyone know what's going on with this having all the non-free wireless firmware off home in Refracta? |
| 14:29.21 | parazyd | they aren't installed by default |
| 14:31.14 | buZz | i was suprised iwl3945 now works without firmware :D |
| 14:31.26 | buZz | or does the live image have it preinstalled? i'd expect not |
| 14:32.16 | g0zzy | is thinking some kind of compromise to avoid having non-free active |
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| 14:32.55 | KatolaZ | g0zzy: there is a script in the /root directory |
| 14:32.57 | KatolaZ | to remove them |
| 14:33.00 | KatolaZ | altogether |
| 14:33.06 | KatolaZ | please read the README |
| 14:33.11 | g0zzy | OK. Thanks |
| 14:33.12 | KatolaZ | buZz: ^^^^ |
| 14:34.46 | buZz | ah, so it does come with firmwarez on the live image? |
| 14:35.23 | golinux | Yes. But with delete option as mentioned above |
| 14:36.06 | g0zzy | On another matter, i've now got an issue with task-mate-desktop. Prior to going for this, i enabled AntoFox's repo but i now note that Mate is already in the main repo. I think some of Mate has already come in, even without installing the desktop. I'm worried about getting into a .deb mess |
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| 15:05.47 | fsmithred | g0zzy, buZz : In the devuan live isos, nonfree wireless firmware is installed. In the refracta isos, it is not installed, but the packages are included so you can install them if needed to get online. |
| 15:06.01 | buZz | ah fancy |
| 15:06.22 | fsmithred | in both cases, non-free is NOT enabled in sources.list |
| 15:07.54 | fsmithred | we figured it's easier to remove the nonfree stuff than it is to add it, especially if you can't get online. |
| 15:08.19 | fsmithred | the method used in the refracta isos fails if you have to reboot after installing the package (if you're in a live session) |
| 15:10.04 | buZz | sadly, the platform i'm installing to depends on it being installed, but nothing a quick chroot from live wont fix |
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| 15:24.00 | fsmithred | sorry I keep missing g0zzy. I'm not sure what he's trying to do. It is possible to make a live iso from a running live session with refractasnapshot. You just need to run it from a usb stick that's big enough to hold a copy of the running system plus the size of the iso, or else you can use a second usb stick and change the work_dir and snapshot_dir to be on the second stick. |
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| 16:18.13 | bozonius | what flash player do you recommend for devuan? I'm thinking of gnash, but if there is a better, more supported choice, let me know |
| 16:21.01 | zdzichu | none |
| 16:24.47 | peetaur | agrees with zdzichu |
| 16:24.54 | specing | agrees with zdzichu |
| 16:25.16 | peetaur | bozonius: the best choice is to nag whatever outdated website to switch to HTML5 since flash died years ago |
| 16:33.43 | bozonius | bugs cbs.com to switch to HTML5 and, in revenge, CBS calls Homeland Security and has him placed on the no-fly list |
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| 16:34.24 | bozonius | was trying to watch an old version of DS9, the one with the tribbles where they dubbed in the original series |
| 16:34.30 | bozonius | oh well |
| 16:34.37 | bozonius | woulda been fun |
| 16:37.48 | Lydia_K | That's on netflix |
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| 16:38.21 | jonadab | Trials and Tribbleations. I like that episode. |
| 16:39.21 | bozonius | cbs.com == free, netflix not so much |
| 16:39.44 | bozonius | (at least, it appears to be free at cbs) |
| 16:40.32 | Lydia_K | It's a good episode. |
| 16:40.42 | Lydia_K | I don't think it's free at CBS, but maybe it is. |
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| 17:14.23 | timeless | anyone here familiar w/ ssh-keygen? |
| 17:14.39 | timeless | some of my openssh clients have a version of ssh-keygen that supports `-E md5`, and some don't |
| 17:14.47 | timeless | and i can't figure out the why's/wherefores |
| 17:15.05 | timeless | (they both claim to be openssh7.4p1) |
| 17:15.35 | KatolaZ | timeless: different distros? |
| 17:15.40 | timeless | yes |
| 17:15.49 | KatolaZ | they might have been recompiled with different options then |
| 17:16.28 | jonadab | I am not seeing -E as an option on Devuan. |
| 17:16.53 | jonadab | In the man page, I mean. |
| 17:16.58 | jonadab | What does it even do? |
| 17:17.05 | KatolaZ | yes, it's there |
| 17:17.10 | KatolaZ | at least in ascii :) |
| 17:17.16 | timeless | i have it on macOS Sierra and ubuntu xenial |
| 17:17.19 | jonadab | Ah, I'm on jessie. |
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| 17:17.38 | KatolaZ | it's just the algorithm used to display the fingerprints |
| 17:17.53 | timeless | i don't have it on my jessies nor do i have it on stretch |
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| 17:18.13 | KatolaZ | it's there in ascii though |
| 17:18.32 | timeless | KatolaZ: yes, but since my logs happen to generate md5 fingerprints, i was hoping to be able to give people "universal" advice to be able to calculate the fingerprints to identify a given key |
| 17:18.41 | Fervi | Hmm, why Debian doesn't have normal init procedures like Red Hat? I mean init 5 to normal Xorg, 3 to console etc. |
| 17:18.47 | KatolaZ | yea timeless, got your point |
| 17:18.56 | KatolaZ | Fervi: welcome :) |
| 17:19.00 | Fervi | hi |
| 17:19.03 | KatolaZ | it has been like that since ever :) |
| 17:19.11 | timeless | it /sounds/ like going forward most will have it |
| 17:19.15 | timeless | so, it might not matter |
| 17:19.20 | KatolaZ | and there is no "normal" use for runlevels |
| 17:19.31 | KatolaZ | except for the usual 0 and 6 |
| 17:19.39 | Evilham | was about to say that :) |
| 17:20.00 | jonadab | Fervi: The way I alwasy learned it is that 1 is single-user, 2 is multi-user with maybe some things not running (e.g., X11), 3 is everything. |
| 17:20.17 | KatolaZ | jonadab: that's not written anywhere |
| 17:20.20 | KatolaZ | it's distro-specific |
| 17:20.22 | KatolaZ | always been |
| 17:20.23 | jonadab | Ah. |
| 17:20.28 | timeless | some systems had 5 as x11 |
| 17:20.34 | timeless | it really varied a lot |
| 17:20.41 | Fervi | yep, but why Debian don't have that. hmm |
| 17:20.43 | KatolaZ | jonadab: have you checked which runlevel are you on in your Devuan? :) |
| 17:20.59 | Fervi | For example |
| 17:20.59 | Fervi | 1 - root |
| 17:21.00 | Fervi | 2 - console without network |
| 17:21.00 | Fervi | 3 - console with network |
| 17:21.00 | Fervi | 4 - something |
| 17:21.00 | Fervi | 5- graphical |
| 17:21.02 | KatolaZ | Fervi: ? |
| 17:21.12 | timeless | http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialInitProcess.html |
| 17:21.15 | jonadab | KatolaZ: Heh, I hadn't. |
| 17:21.20 | KatolaZ | Fervi: you can configure it as you like |
| 17:21.22 | timeless | fwiw, in solaris init 5 was some flavor of poweroff |
| 17:21.37 | KatolaZ | jonadab: runlevel :) |
| 17:21.44 | Fervi | i know that i can configure this :D |
| 17:21.53 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 17:21.56 | Fervi | But I think this schema is optimal |
| 17:21.58 | timeless | the short answer is "different people picked different things" |
| 17:22.04 | jonadab | KatolaZ: I see. |
| 17:22.05 | timeless | and there's no "right" answer |
| 17:22.06 | Fervi | hm, ok |
| 17:22.07 | KatolaZ | Fervi: then use a red-hat based distro :) |
| 17:22.08 | timeless | just "holy wars" |
| 17:22.14 | jonadab | ALthough, X11 isn't installed, much less running, so. |
| 17:22.23 | Fervi | KatolaZ I want Debian with nice init runlevel configuration! :P |
| 17:22.23 | KatolaZ | debian-based normally have only runlevel 2 |
| 17:22.26 | KatolaZ | and not all of them |
| 17:22.28 | Fervi | or just Devuan |
| 17:22.35 | KatolaZ | Fervi: just do it :) |
| 17:22.38 | KatolaZ | for yourself |
| 17:22.40 | jonadab | (My Devuan system is headless. I ssh into it from... wherever.) |
| 17:23.38 | jonadab | Fervi: Does anybody ever really run Linux in a multi-user setup with networking disabled? |
| 17:23.59 | jonadab | (runlevel 2 on your proposal) It seems... pointless to me. |
| 17:24.02 | Fervi | Probably not, but if your system fail on server, you can temporary go to init 2 (in RH) to fix it |
| 17:24.19 | KatolaZ | Fervi: you can do the same in a Debian-based system |
| 17:24.22 | jonadab | If you're physically at the system, you can go init 1. |
| 17:24.25 | timeless | fwiw, both my debian and ubuntu systems are set to runlevel 5 (and none of them have x11) -- the ubuntu ones are based on an installer, the debian ones could have been tinkered w/ by some previous sysadmin |
| 17:24.25 | KatolaZ | just go to runlevel 1 |
| 17:24.42 | jonadab | And if you're not physically there, you need network, unless you have serial console or something. |
| 17:25.15 | timeless | at the end of the day, runlevels are mostly shortcuts for "start this, stop that" |
| 17:25.17 | jonadab | Also, "4 - something" seems rather vague. What's the use case for that. |
| 17:25.25 | timeless | 4 = user defined mode |
| 17:25.40 | timeless | it's specifically under the assumption that a user might want to define a mode that doesn't match 3/5 |
| 17:25.48 | jonadab | I see. |
| 17:25.55 | timeless | instead of the user making a mess of the default 3/5... |
| 17:26.01 | timeless | there was /some/ logic to it |
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| 17:26.42 | timeless | sadly, this is a case of "you can't use a book by its cover" |
| 17:26.55 | jonadab | I don't even want to know what systemd does with runlevels. |
| 17:27.02 | timeless | if you don't know what pages are in a given runlevel, then selecting that runlevel could very easily leave you very unhappy |
| 17:27.20 | timeless | oh, hrm, these runlevel 5 systems are systemd |
| 17:27.23 | timeless | ponders |
| 17:29.20 | timeless | i think practically runlevels in systemd are replaced by targets and you can have as many of those as you like |
| 17:29.37 | unixman | Runlevels are basically meaningless on a systemd infected system. |
| 17:30.15 | timeless | practically speaking, runlevels are pretty meaningless on any system you haven't personally built from scratch and prevented anyone else from touching :) |
| 17:30.38 | timeless | has personally stuck X into runlevel 2/3 on systems and taken it out of runlevel 5 on systems |
| 17:30.50 | Maarten | i was wondering how to add a grub menu that would start the login shell without any auto login to xserver userland stuff and after asking for root password auto start a dialog based consel app... a couple of days ago, in a debian channel they told me this could not be done due to some systemd related issue... so now im wondering if i migrate to Devuan would i be able to do this and if so, does anyone know of any howto's explain something similare? |
| 17:30.52 | jonadab | In practice, the only non-default runlevel I ever use is 1. |
| 17:31.54 | unixman | Maarten, sounds like you just don't install X and pals and you're good. |
| 17:32.05 | timeless | i'm pretty sure w/ some hackery you could make it work anywhere (worst case by having multiple boot ramdisks/equivalent) |
| 17:32.23 | timeless | unixman: he wants to have it as a boot option, not a permanent only mode |
| 17:32.38 | Maarten | unixman: yes timeless is right |
| 17:32.59 | unixman | Ah, okay. Hrm, interesting puzzle. |
| 17:33.05 | timeless | Maarten: well, i definitely don't know of a howto. i can definitely imagine ways to make it work |
| 17:33.36 | timeless | has recently been using tmpfs debootstrap (jessie) chroots to fry disks |
| 17:34.09 | timeless | the general way that grub (or lilo) work is they establish something of a "mini file system" that is responsible for the next stage of booting |
| 17:34.13 | KatolaZ | Maarten: you can use a runlevel for that :) |
| 17:34.41 | KatolaZ | (no kidding) |
| 17:34.45 | timeless | https://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/5.1/Installation_Guide/s1-grub-runlevels.html |
| 17:35.05 | unixman | KatolaZ, nice idea! That would work. |
| 17:35.05 | timeless | Maarten: congrats on being on thread :) |
| 17:35.51 | KatolaZ | the best thing would be for getty to manage user authentication anyway |
| 17:36.13 | KatolaZ | and then have a script in /root |
| 17:36.34 | KatolaZ | which is started on root login only if the current runlevel is the one you want |
| 17:36.36 | Maarten | timeless: this would also work on devuan i assume... |
| 17:36.45 | KatolaZ | Maarten: ^^^ |
| 17:36.48 | timeless | Maarten: fwiw, the debian folks were wrong https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/kernel_parameters#Parameter_list shows systemd.unit= |
| 17:36.58 | timeless | Maarten: i don't see any reason it wouldn't |
| 17:37.16 | Akuli | root's shell rc could just check the runlevel and run the thing when needed? |
| 17:37.29 | KatolaZ | Maarten: the runlevel is passed as an (optional) numeric argument to the kernel |
| 17:37.42 | KatolaZ | Akuli: namely ^^^ |
| 17:37.43 | timeless | Akuli: that's dangerous, since you might want to log in as root later -- and you don't want x11 to go away just because you do |
| 17:37.44 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 17:38.10 | KatolaZ | timeless: I think Akuli was referring to Maarten's request |
| 17:38.15 | Akuli | yeah |
| 17:38.48 | timeless | yes, but wouldn't it still mess up as i'm describing? |
| 17:39.02 | timeless | anyway, i need to go back to killing computers |
| 17:39.16 | timeless | has killed 3 so far this month and has 1 more to go, it's actually fun |
| 17:39.36 | Akuli | does "a dialog based consel app" need x? |
| 17:39.48 | Maarten | acctully i dont get Akuli s solution |
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| 17:40.06 | Akuli | hmm |
| 17:40.06 | Akuli | root |
| 17:40.07 | Akuli | oops |
| 17:40.15 | Akuli | root's shell rc doing something weird sounds kinds of scary :D |
| 17:40.16 | Maarten | which runlevel number should i add to grubs kernel line? |
| 17:41.12 | timeless | probably 1... but, it depends, see the earlier discussion about runlevels being meaningless unless you know what's in them :) |
| 17:42.21 | Akuli | is everything related to runlevels defined in /etc/inittab or is there more to it? |
| 17:43.08 | timeless | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:43.09 | Maarten | my system doesnt have any /etc/inittab (but im still on debian jessie) |
| 17:43.10 | timeless | or similar |
| 17:43.28 | KatolaZ | Maarten: then you are using systemd? |
| 17:43.47 | timeless | KatolaZ: he was considering moving from jessie debian to jessie devuan to address this concern |
| 17:43.51 | timeless | so he'd be using systemd |
| 17:44.05 | KatolaZ | dunno how that is managed under systemd |
| 17:44.09 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 17:46.06 | timeless | Maarten: anyway, you should look at the archlinux wiki link above first |
| 17:46.19 | timeless | it would let you save on updating until you have a better reason |
| 17:46.44 | timeless | devuan's great, but one piece of bad advice from a debian channel isn't really a good enough reason imo for switching |
| 17:47.04 | timeless | (admittedly, the devuan channel seems to give me better advice + support than debian) |
| 17:47.04 | Maarten | oke to summarize, if i have devian i could append run level 1 to grub, then make a script would auto run the app i like to autostart. then add this script in the /root folder (then how to auto start this script)? and whould it auto ask for root password? |
| 17:47.41 | timeless | runlevel 1 would almost certainly default to a login prompt... |
| 17:48.01 | timeless | unless you rewired runlevel 1 |
| 17:48.05 | KatolaZ | no Maarten |
| 17:48.34 | KatolaZ | getty will normally provide a login prompt |
| 17:48.45 | KatolaZ | (if you use getty) |
| 17:48.48 | Maarten | cool... shouldn't i also have to do something with /etc/rc1.d ??? |
| 17:48.57 | KatolaZ | why rc1.d? |
| 17:49.11 | KatolaZ | you can use any other runlevel |
| 17:49.16 | KatolaZ | if you want to use 1, well, fine |
| 17:49.24 | Maarten | ?? |
| 17:49.59 | Maarten | oke so runlevel is not importand as long is i call getty? then how do i do that? |
| 17:50.49 | timeless | Maarten: i don't think you have the right mental model of how the system would work today |
| 17:51.05 | timeless | getty is a process responsible for managing physical consoles |
| 17:51.11 | timeless | typically 0(?)..5 |
| 17:51.30 | timeless | it usually exists in all runlevels that aren't equal to starting up/shutting down |
| 17:51.36 | KatolaZ | Maarten: ever seen an inittab? |
| 17:51.53 | Maarten | timeless: im reletivel new to linux, i addmitedly not undestand this kind of stuff fully jet, but like to learn |
| 17:51.54 | timeless | it's responsible for asking for a username and password and then starting a shell |
| 17:52.09 | timeless | Maarten: no worries |
| 17:52.25 | timeless | so when someone here says "getty" at a runlevel, they don't mean "you need to do work for getty to be there" |
| 17:52.29 | timeless | they mean "it will be there" |
| 17:53.22 | timeless | if i were you, i'd start by installing virtualbox, and installing devuan inside virtualbox |
| 17:53.42 | timeless | (i'd set up virtualbox to have a reachable ip address, and devuan to have sshd, then i'd ssh into the vm) |
| 17:53.48 | timeless | (and i'd run the vm headless) |
| 17:53.49 | Maarten | just out of curiosity, is getty an application or an acronym? |
| 17:54.02 | timeless | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getty_(Unix) |
| 17:54.29 | KatolaZ | it's an application |
| 17:54.38 | timeless | an application and an abbreviation (but not a proper acronym) |
| 17:54.58 | muep | afaik it is part of the mechanism that presents you a login a virtual terminals |
| 17:56.05 | KatolaZ | anyway Maarten, what you need to do can be done via getty on a specific runleve |
| 17:56.15 | KatolaZ | ~runlevel |
| 17:56.27 | timeless | the wikipedia article isn't terrible |
| 17:57.22 | KatolaZ | timeless: yes |
| 17:57.46 | KatolaZ | actually agetty also accepts a parameter to specify the username |
| 17:57.53 | KatolaZ | and ask only for a password |
| 18:05.15 | Maarten | oke sure i will first test in vbox before implementing... but still not sure what i should do to try to make this work... so i get that as long is i get the shell it will ask for password and will login to root. but i don't understand katolaZ remark about i could use any runlevel... i thought the the run level parameter in grub was what would give my the shell at the first place.. and if i do add '1' at the end of the kernel parameters to get the shell and |
| 18:05.15 | Maarten | add small script to /root then how to auto run this script... btw this script should not auto run when i in Mate do a 'su' to become root... |
| 18:05.38 | Maarten | KatolaZ: that should nice do i set the agetty as kernel parameter? |
| 18:06.04 | Maarten | should=sounds |
| 18:06.19 | KatolaZ | Maarten: no, getty gets called by init |
| 18:06.24 | KatolaZ | and is configured in inittab |
| 18:07.17 | Maarten | KatolaZ: oke thanks i will google for how to do that... |
| 18:07.19 | KatolaZ | Maarten: http://www.networkworld.com/article/2693438/unix-how-to-the-linux-etc-inittab-file.html |
| 18:07.29 | KatolaZ | in that case they use mingetty |
| 18:07.33 | KatolaZ | instead of agetty |
| 18:07.43 | KatolaZ | but it's more or less the same stuff |
| 18:08.00 | KatolaZ | agetty is what is used to authenticate the access to a console |
| 18:08.08 | KatolaZ | agetty calls the "login" program |
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| 18:08.33 | timeless | for people curious, the way to get an md5 ssh fingerprint when one has the sha256 only ssh-keygen is `awk '{print $2}' key.pub | base64 -d | md5sum | sed 's/../&:/g; s/: .*$//'` -- from https://superuser.com/questions/1088165/get-ssh-key-fingerprint-in-old-hex-format-on-new-version-of-openssh |
| 18:08.51 | KatolaZ | Maarten: https://linux.die.net/man/8/agetty |
| 18:14.39 | Maarten | KatolaZ: cool will studie the resources.... then i think im almost there.. only left then is the auto start of the application when root logs-in without also running that app when 'su' to root in terminal emulator in mate... |
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| 18:15.47 | TheTrueHooha | KatolaZ: when we gonna have new setnet? |
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| 18:17.54 | KatolaZ | TheTrueHooha: what are you missing in the current one? :) |
| 18:18.09 | TheTrueHooha | It has bugs and a dum interface |
| 18:18.21 | KatolaZ | TheTrueHooha: please report the bugs |
| 18:18.22 | TheTrueHooha | I emailed you a while ago about the bug with spaces in the SSID |
| 18:18.27 | KatolaZ | oh yes |
| 18:18.33 | KatolaZ | that one should have been solved, indeed |
| 18:18.40 | KatolaZ | I have tried a couple of essids with spaces |
| 18:18.48 | KatolaZ | and could not reproduce it.... |
| 18:18.52 | TheTrueHooha | And sometimes it fails to start dhclient |
| 18:19.03 | KatolaZ | TheTrueHooha: again, under which conditions? |
| 18:19.11 | TheTrueHooha | And a method should be implemented to ensure multiple instances don't occur |
| 18:19.13 | KatolaZ | (maybe you sent me the log?) |
| 18:19.14 | TheTrueHooha | idk |
| 18:19.20 | TheTrueHooha | Oh |
| 18:19.26 | KatolaZ | TheTrueHooha: multiple instances of what? |
| 18:19.27 | TheTrueHooha | It happens all the time, KatolaZ |
| 18:19.36 | TheTrueHooha | Like the SSID is "Carl's Jr Public Wifi" |
| 18:19.44 | TheTrueHooha | And it literally saves as "Carl's" |
| 18:19.49 | TheTrueHooha | And I need to manually change it |
| 18:19.52 | KatolaZ | ok, will test it again then |
| 18:19.57 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 18:20.07 | KatolaZ | the dhclient thing |
| 18:20.17 | TheTrueHooha | It just hangs |
| 18:20.22 | TheTrueHooha | And won't accept a terminal interupt |
| 18:20.25 | KatolaZ | currently, I bbelieve setnet would kill any other dhclient on the same interface |
| 18:20.27 | TheTrueHooha | Also the UI doesn't make a lot of sense |
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| 18:20.54 | KatolaZ | TheTrueHooha: you can modify it :) |
| 18:21.37 | KatolaZ | let me have a look to the spaces bug |
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| 18:21.53 | aitor | hi |
| 18:25.33 | gnu_srs1 | systemd and gnome are now using meson as build system. They are diverging further and further away from GNU tools :( |
| 18:26.11 | timeless | yabs |
| 18:26.52 | timeless | http://mesonbuild.com/Simple-comparison.html#a-simple-comparison |
| 18:29.06 | KatolaZ | TheTrueHooha: which version of setnet are you using? |
| 18:29.23 | TheTrueHooha | Latest one |
| 18:29.38 | KatolaZ | version number, please |
| 18:29.43 | TheTrueHooha | 0.3.2 |
| 18:31.09 | aitor | need to reboot :) |
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| 18:32.59 | nico2 | good evening |
| 18:35.10 | timeless | chuckles |
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| 18:35.38 | timeless | the devuan jessie installer spends a lot of time writing lines that are effectively {timestamp} in-target: ^M |
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| 18:42.51 | KatolaZ | TheTrueHooha: found the bug about spaces |
| 18:42.55 | KatolaZ | wanna give it a try? |
| 18:43.07 | KatolaZ | to test if it works? |
| 18:43.43 | TheTrueHooha | Give me the updated version and will check later today when I go to fast-food dinner |
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| 18:46.53 | KatolaZ | TheTrueHooha: http://sprunge.us/VWIR |
| 18:47.01 | KatolaZ | the space bug should be fixed now |
| 18:47.08 | KatolaZ | please check and report |
| 18:47.11 | KatolaZ | :) |
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| 19:03.06 | Evilham | timeless: I'm going to sign up for hubic to test it out, may end up using it for my company; if you have a referral code, I don't mind filling it ;) |
| 19:03.19 | Evilham | oh, I meant nexttime |
| 19:03.29 | timeless | ? |
| 19:03.36 | Evilham | sorry :-D wrong nick |
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| 19:05.48 | Evilham | nextime: see just above for the hubic thingy |
| 19:10.15 | aitor | hi again |
| 19:10.38 | aitor | i'm trying to add debian-installer to linux-heads |
| 19:11.18 | aitor | i get "Software RAID not available" before running partman |
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| 19:12.41 | aitor | dmraid-udeb and libdmraid-udeb are included in the installer |
| 19:16.16 | aitor | brb |
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| 19:22.03 | JotaMG | Hi all! |
| 19:22.05 | JotaMG | I think ascci still has no network-manager, so maybe this is useful, I'm using Devuan ascii, upgraded from jessie, and using the antix repos I managed to have a working network-manager: |
| 19:22.06 | JotaMG | network-manager 1.4.4-1.0nosystemd |
| 19:22.08 | JotaMG | (although debian stretch is at 1.6.2-3) |
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| 19:37.21 | guru | never cross the streams ;) |
| 19:41.04 | unixman | Unless fighting Gozer. |
| 19:45.09 | Fervi | So it's better to don't use network-manager :P |
| 19:46.08 | unixman | Fervi, you are just wanting to start a fight it appears. ;) |
| 19:47.19 | Fervi | I preffer wicd. It's more stable, but it doesn't support mobile connections etc |
| 19:47.25 | Fervi | But I want to belive |
| 19:50.00 | guru | Do you believe in UFOs, astral projections, mental telepathy, ESP, clairvoyance, spirit photography, telekinetic movement, full trance mediums, the Loch Ness monster and the theory of Atlantis? |
| 19:50.34 | MinceR | "i want to bereave" |
| 19:50.56 | guru | asian ghostbuster berry gewd |
| 19:51.07 | MinceR | carmageddon even better |
| 19:51.42 | MinceR | hm, actually, it's from carmageddon 2 |
| 19:51.59 | Fervi | I belive in wicd with mobile connection :D |
| 19:51.59 | unixman | Fervi, what do you mean by wicd not supporting mobile connections? |
| 19:52.01 | banshi | hey |
| 19:52.08 | guru | we're so off topic an admin is going to flip their shit on us |
| 19:52.22 | JotaMG | Fervi: I use NM with ascci for almost 2 weeks, make vpn conections, etc, and no single problem |
| 19:52.22 | banshi | who is nice in kernel building? |
| 19:52.31 | unixman | guru, well, talk of wicd should be on-topic methinks. ;) |
| 19:52.34 | Fervi | unixman: Wicd can only connect to wired and wireless (wifi). To wifi you need gnome-ppp |
| 19:52.36 | JotaMG | for me its very usefull! |
| 19:52.39 | Fervi | To mobile gnome-ppp |
| 19:53.19 | guru | wicd just feels so much more stable to me than network manager |
| 19:53.26 | guru | i use to prefer nm |
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| 19:53.42 | Fervi | yes, it is more stable |
| 19:53.49 | aitor | hi again |
| 19:53.55 | Fervi | and that's the reason why I use it |
| 19:54.05 | aitor | solved the issue with debian-installer |
| 19:54.36 | unixman | Fervi, I though gnome-ppp was for modems. Is that what you mean by mobile? |
| 19:54.42 | unixman | confused |
| 19:54.52 | Fervi | unixman: Yep |
| 19:55.05 | unixman | Ah, okay. |
| 19:55.06 | Fervi | gnome-ppp can also connect to mobile modems |
| 19:56.13 | aitor | i still didn't try a full hard-disk installation of linux-heads ascii with d-i and linux-libre-4.9.33 + grsec, but it will work, i think |
| 19:56.16 | unixman | Oh, like the AT&T / Verizon / OtherBigWireless modems? |
| 19:57.40 | aitor | but live-installer-udeb must be hacked, because we need to remove the luther live user from the system |
| 19:57.59 | aitor | and maybe also the root's password |
| 20:00.57 | aitor | this weekend i'll share an iso image |
| 20:01.22 | banshi | what does this mean: http://paste.ubuntu.com/25134780/ |
| 20:01.25 | banshi | ? |
| 20:02.19 | aitor | seems to be a kernel build attempt |
| 20:03.30 | aitor | a kernel packaging attempt: |
| 20:03.32 | aitor | debian/ruleset/local.mk:102 |
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| 20:10.44 | banshi | aitor, is it possible to run just kernel packaging? |
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| 20:11.24 | aitor | ? |
| 20:11.32 | aitor | can you concrete your question? |
| 20:12.17 | banshi | I just tried to compile my own kernel using this howto: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-building-installing-a-custom-linux-kernel/ |
| 20:12.41 | banshi | but at the very end It ended up with that error |
| 20:13.29 | banshi | it took 2 hours... so, I want to build linux-headers***.deb without restarting full kernel building |
| 20:14.28 | aitor | lalala |
| 20:14.57 | banshi | ok |
| 20:15.14 | aitor | there is no debian/changelog in this howto |
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| 20:15.31 | aitor | see the line number 12 in the link: |
| 20:15.32 | aitor | install -p -o root -g root -m 644 debian/changelog |
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| 20:16.07 | mwarning | hi, I cannot find virtualbox in the package feed (apt search virtualbox). What feed to I need to set? |
| 20:17.15 | aitor | need to go, see you later :) |
| 20:18.18 | greenjeans | hi aitor |
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| 20:18.48 | aitor | hi, greenjeans |
| 20:19.06 | unixman | mwarning, do you mean what package sources to set? |
| 20:19.18 | mwarning | unixman: yes |
| 20:19.18 | aitor | see you later |
| 20:20.21 | unixman | mwarning, checking. BRB |
| 20:21.21 | mwarning | unixman: much appreciated! |
| 20:21.32 | mwarning | currently I use "deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie non-free main" and the likes |
| 20:22.43 | unixman | mwarning, this is what is in my /etc/apt/sources.list: https://pastebin.com/raw/WcEDh4nX |
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| 20:24.07 | unixman | mwarning, I can see virtualbox when I do 'apt search virtualbox'. |
| 20:26.03 | mwarning | unixman: I was missing contrib |
| 20:26.11 | mwarning | thanks, looks good now |
| 20:26.14 | unixman | mwarning, ah, yeah that would do it. :) |
| 20:26.28 | unixman | You're welcome. |
| 20:26.37 | mwarning | :) |
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| 20:31.33 | mwarning | hm, looks like I need to install the source for linux-image-4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 in order to run virtualbox.... but there seem to be no sources |
| 20:32.09 | Fervi | bpo is from aptosid / siduction / liquorix? |
| 20:32.53 | mwarning | no idea |
| 20:33.05 | mwarning | but maybe linux-source-4.9 is the right source package |
| 20:33.31 | mwarning | I was expecting some package name like linux-sources-4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 20:37.12 | Fervi | it should be |
| 20:37.21 | Fervi | but bpo isn't from devuan repository |
| 20:37.38 | Fervi | oh |
| 20:37.39 | Fervi | it is |
| 20:37.42 | Fervi | from backports jessie |
| 20:37.54 | Fervi | https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 20:37.56 | Fervi | Try this |
| 20:38.06 | Fervi | linux-headers-4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 |
| 20:40.26 | mwarning | k |
| 20:48.00 | mwarning | hm, does not work https://pastebin.com/rzUSLtZ8 |
| 20:50.42 | mwarning | I cannot get virtualbox to start a container ;-( |
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| 20:57.36 | golinux | greenjeans: My aromored friend is back. :( |
| 20:58.02 | greenjeans | oh dang, i'm sorry |
| 20:59.22 | golinux | let's get on pm with OT |
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| 22:15.12 | g0zzy | Thanks for all support folks. Got my Refr. snapshot. Not yet with Mate but maybe later |
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| 22:51.58 | aitor | golinux: armored, not aromored |
| 22:52.20 | aitor | i've never heard of an aromored armadillo |
| 22:54.15 | aitor | time to bed :) |
| 22:54.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | armor made from aroma maybe? |
| 22:56.24 | fsmithred | that would be a skunk |
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| 22:56.37 | aitor | lol |
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| 23:21.41 | golinux | Sheesh , . . can't even make a typo around here |
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| 23:56.55 | jord | does anyone have a clue why fontconfig segmentation faults on arm64? |
| 23:57.03 | jord | specifically this: https://bpaste.net/show/3b40e3f4e48d |
| 23:57.10 | jord | <PROTECTED> |