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| 00:21.06 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 02:22.25 | petergozz | Centurion_Dan: are you about |
| 02:22.47 | petergozz | Centurion_Dan: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=3189#p3189 |
| 02:23.13 | petergozz | Centurion_Dan: You may want to belt me or something :) |
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| 02:26.09 | petergozz | Centurion_Dan: https://git.devuan.org/PeteGozz/slim |
| 02:27.07 | petergozz | Centurion_Dan: I'll try to email you :) |
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| 02:45.00 | golinux | petergozz: You might want to try #devuan-dev. You are in similar time zones |
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| 02:47.20 | petergozz | golinux: Yeah :) That is a nice change (TZ) Its also the weekend ! |
| 02:48.30 | petergozz | golinix: I think I see "The Way" now ... or at least a start. |
| 02:48.52 | golinux | Yes, there is a method |
| 02:49.04 | golinux | (not that I understand the fine points) |
| 02:50.10 | petergozz | There are groups at gitlab... that is all I need really. |
| 02:50.30 | petergozz | Thanks for your help so far BTW ! |
| 02:50.43 | golinux | yw |
| 02:52.26 | golinux | gitlab is still a challenge for me even after several years . . . |
| 02:52.43 | petergozz | lol. |
| 02:53.00 | petergozz | Yeah web thingys have to make assumptions ... |
| 02:53.09 | golinux | It's hard to find stuff there. |
| 02:53.38 | golinux | As you discovered |
| 02:54.20 | petergozz | Yes, But I seem to have a knack for walkig past stuff ;( |
| 02:54.32 | petergozz | sigh |
| 02:54.43 | petergozz | No worries lessons lernt |
| 02:54.53 | golinux | Your solving the slim problem is a _really_good_thing |
| 02:55.19 | golinux | That will make the devs quite happy. |
| 02:55.35 | petergozz | Excellent .. lol accidents count too ! |
| 02:55.49 | golinux | Of course! |
| 02:56.21 | golinux | Some times dumb luck can be brilliant! |
| 02:56.33 | petergozz | Best thing ever |
| 02:56.48 | petergozz | If I had task_desktop ... |
| 02:57.20 | golinux | lives on her desktop |
| 02:57.30 | petergozz | :) |
| 02:57.51 | petergozz | Hey thats cool. I sometimes use Enlightenment ! |
| 02:57.52 | golinux | is a gui girl |
| 02:58.14 | petergozz | lol |
| 02:59.09 | petergozz | Well I better go do the "proper" version for jessie |
| 02:59.25 | petergozz | Then maybe bend some stuff for ascii :) |
| 02:59.45 | petergozz | (not much stuff to bend) |
| 02:59.45 | golinux | Coo. Appreciate your energy |
| 02:59.57 | golinux | Cool actually |
| 03:00.22 | petergozz | First Coffee and some R and R |
| 03:00.38 | petergozz | So thankyou and catch ya later. |
| 03:00.38 | golinux | Have a good one |
| 03:00.47 | golinux | \o |
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| 03:52.26 | bill-auger | if golinux is a gui girl - then bill-auger is a cli-guy |
| 03:57.19 | golinux | Lots of those in these parts . . . |
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| 07:49.00 | aitor | g'morinig |
| 07:49.17 | aitor | morning* |
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| 11:57.53 | bill-auger | hello aitor - i was told you are the maintainer of Gnuinos - how is that coming along? |
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| 12:02.23 | bill-auger | i noticed that the website has not been updated sone devuan went stable so i wanted to ask if a stable release of Gnuinos is planned |
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| 12:32.13 | grillonBNC | hi there |
| 12:33.57 | grillonBNC | does anyone has installed docker on devuan? |
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| 12:40.14 | fsmithred_ | grillonBNC, it's in the repo, so it should be installable. |
| 12:41.18 | fsmithred_ | you might also be interested in this (lxc howto): https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=617 |
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| 12:45.27 | grillonBNC | hi fsmithred_ and thank you |
| 12:45.51 | grillonBNC | follow link |
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| 12:47.57 | grillonBNC | fsmithred_: I would like to use the container of someone, so I don't want to take time to reproduce a classic lxc container |
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| 12:51.42 | grillonBNC | fsmithred_: what repo do I have to add because all default repo are activated and there's no docker.io or docker-engine |
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| 12:59.09 | aitor | hi, sorry |
| 13:00.14 | grillonBNC | hi |
| 13:00.28 | aitor | i've been busy |
| 13:00.56 | grillonBNC | why are you sorry? aitor |
| 13:01.45 | aitor | bill-auger asked: i was told you are the maintainer of Gnuinos - how is that coming along? |
| 13:02.01 | aitor | and i didn't answered |
| 13:02.24 | grillonBNC | ohh ok aitor |
| 13:03.00 | aitor | yes, there will be a stable release of gnuinos in august |
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| 13:07.26 | grillonBNC | nice aitor |
| 13:07.45 | grillonBNC | I did not know gnuinos seems nice |
| 13:08.24 | aitor | thanks |
| 13:08.42 | Drugo | what is a likely release date for ASCII? |
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| 13:10.34 | grillonBNC | sorry to insist but if I want to install docker on devuan what repo do I have to activate? may be I need to construct from sources? |
| 13:10.58 | grillonBNC | I have found it : https://gist.github.com/cyteen/448611aaa664a45f2608 |
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| 13:25.32 | bill-auger | oh np aitor IRC is async |
| 13:26.34 | bill-auger | i have been doing housekeeping recently of the FSF approved "Free GNU/Linux distributions" list - Gnuinos uses the linux-libre kernel yes? do you intend to follow the GNU FSDG guidelines? would you be interested to be featured on that list? |
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| 13:55.34 | cyteen | grillonBNC: That gist is old/version-specific and will not work any more. |
| 13:58.38 | grillonBNC | cyteen: thank you I have seen that :( What can I do? build docker from source? seems hard |
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| 14:06.42 | grillonBNC | ok I give up, my aim was to recompile a firmware. I waste two hours. I regret I did not a vm but now I prefer install on my host that's ugly but faster |
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| 14:08.40 | golinux | grillonBNC: Have you looked in backports? |
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| 14:10.03 | golinux | Actually, I'm seeing docker in the default merged repos. |
| 14:10.38 | golinux | For stable that is . . . |
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| 14:19.45 | cyteen | grillonBNC: echo "deb http://apt.dockerproject.org/repo debian-jessie main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/docker.list |
| 14:20.11 | cyteen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.42 | cyteen | Needs libsystemd0 but should work. 1.9.1-0~jessie I know to work, 17.05.0~ce-0~debian-jessie works when I manually start it, the init script seems to not start it. |
| 14:22.14 | cyteen | Haven't messed with inbetween versions. |
| 14:23.11 | grillonBNC | thank you cyteen, let's try |
| 14:27.34 | grillonBNC | it works well thank you cyteen |
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| 15:27.10 | guru | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237 |
| 15:27.11 | guru | rofl |
| 15:27.31 | guru | are you fucking kidding me? |
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| 15:32.00 | banshi | how to create windows usb stick in linux? |
| 15:33.22 | specing | guru: you wish |
| 15:33.28 | bluemarlin | banshi: I'm pretty certain doing that will be in violation of MS licence. |
| 15:33.31 | specing | guru: this bug got assigned a CVE a few days later |
| 15:33.37 | guru | oh good |
| 15:34.19 | specing | guru: https://lut.im/L6SXa8r9AA/vZNdLzDZ19ldpAxa.png |
| 15:34.33 | DPA | banshi: apt-get install dosfstools |
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| 15:34.49 | guru | all your binary logs are belong to me |
| 15:34.55 | guru | back off |
| 15:35.30 | DPA | banshi: After that, you can use fdisk and mkfs.ntfs or mkfs.vfat |
| 15:35.52 | guru | what's hilarious is all the major linux distros are in bed with this clown |
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| 16:02.31 | banshi | DPA, did as explained here: https://www.plop.at/en/winusbinstall.html but it shows me only blinking underscore |
| 16:02.54 | banshi | Situation 2 - USB drive was not formatted by Windows |
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| 16:09.13 | DPA | Does your PC boot using EFI or Bios? |
| 16:11.44 | banshi | bios |
| 16:13.08 | DPA | There is probably no bootloader in the Master Boot Record. |
| 16:13.33 | DPA | Of the usb stick. |
| 16:15.48 | banshi | how to fix it? |
| 16:32.09 | DPA | Try the following: |
| 16:33.05 | DPA | First, install isoinfo: apt-get install genisoimage |
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| 16:35.13 | DPA | Then, look what the output of "isoinfo -d -i /path/to/iso.iso | grep -i bootoff" is. |
| 16:35.20 | aitor | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.31 | aitor | bill-auger: yes, of course |
| 16:36.35 | bill-auger | ok that's great cause ive already added it to the list of new distros they should look at |
| 16:36.48 | aitor | thanks :) |
| 16:37.00 | DPA | banshi: It should output two numbers, the second one is where the bootloader of the iso starts. |
| 16:37.06 | golinux | Congrats aitor! |
| 16:37.41 | golinux | And thanks bill-auger . . . |
| 16:37.57 | bill-auger | thanks fer what |
| 16:38.13 | banshi | DPA, you mean, I should have /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdb2 ? |
| 16:39.13 | DPA | No, I mean the command I posted above should output two numbers. |
| 16:40.19 | banshi | dosfsutils? |
| 16:40.41 | DPA | First, install isoinfo: apt-get install genisoimage |
| 16:40.46 | DPA | Then, look what the output of "isoinfo -d -i /path/to/iso.iso | grep -i bootoff" is. |
| 16:41.08 | DPA | That should be two numbers. |
| 16:41.45 | DPA | The /path/to/iso.iso should be replaced with the actual path. |
| 16:42.25 | DPA | To where the windows iso is. |
| 16:43.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6309 |
| 16:43.14 | banshi | DPA, Bootoff 502 1282 |
| 16:44.12 | DPA | Good, next we need to know the path to the device file of the USB stick |
| 16:44.34 | banshi | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.48 | banshi | DPA, please, answer quicker |
| 16:46.48 | DPA | dd if=/path/to/iso.iso skip=$(expr 1282 \* 2048) bs=1 count=446 of=/dev/sdb |
| 16:47.10 | DPA | That should copy the bootloader from the iso to the usb stick. |
| 16:48.12 | banshi | so, first I should do like https://www.plop.at/en/winusbinstall.html |
| 16:48.20 | banshi | and then do your dd if=/path/to/iso.iso skip=$(expr 1282 \* 2048) bs=1 count=446 of=/dev/sdb |
| 16:48.22 | banshi | right? |
| 16:48.50 | DPA | yes |
| 16:49.09 | banshi | OK, I'll try now |
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| 17:04.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | DPA: wow, great info :-) |
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| 17:08.22 | DPA | banshi: I lost my connection for a moment, so I may have missed some things you wrote me. |
| 17:10.57 | fsmithred_ | DPA, it looks like you didn't miss anything. |
| 17:11.20 | fsmithred_ | can that windows usb have other isos on it and be a multi-boot usb? |
| 17:11.58 | fsmithred_ | DocScrutinizer05, I like how you arranged it so LP doesn't even have to comment, since he would probably say the same thing anyway. |
| 17:12.39 | DPA | fsmithred_: He DM'd me before I lost the connection |
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| 17:14.18 | banshi | DPA, no, you didn't |
| 17:18.06 | banshi | DPA, CDBOOT: Cannot boot from CD - Code: 5 |
| 17:19.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred_: well, don't know how he would deal with this ticket without commenting |
| 17:20.11 | DPA | banshi: Seams like the bootloader from the iso doesn't support USB drives. |
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| 17:31.02 | DPA | I think the only solution is to use a CD. |
| 17:32.42 | fsmithred_ | what makes you think he'll deal with it? |
| 17:33.19 | fsmithred_ | other than "not a bug; wontfix" |
| 17:39.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | fun fact: RH themselves assigned an (incorrect cause) CVE |
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| 17:42.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas it's a duplicate of https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6277 and that one indeed simply got locked poettering |
| 17:43.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | though still "open" |
| 17:45.36 | fsmithred_ | not an exact duplicate if an incorrect name that starts with a letter can cause the behavior. |
| 17:46.14 | fsmithred_ | but I guess it's the same problem, just bigger than initially described. |
| 17:46.39 | fsmithred_ | weather-util stopped working for me in the last day or three. |
| 17:46.45 | fsmithred_ | but it still works for root. |
| 17:47.03 | fsmithred_ | was not recently updated |
| 17:47.22 | fsmithred_ | the ascii version does the same thing |
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| 17:53.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | still works for root? o.O |
| 17:53.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | strace is your friend then |
| 17:54.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | either socket number or a file with wrong permissions? |
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| 17:54.47 | fsmithred_ | can you take a look at the output? I'll post. |
| 17:54.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure! shoot |
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| 17:55.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't forget forks included in strace! |
| 17:56.09 | fsmithred_ | https://paste.debian.net/975467/ |
| 17:56.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | run as user, obviously :-) |
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| 17:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm, line 7,8,9 look strange, but I neither know python well enough, nor the source to strat with |
| 17:58.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | start* |
| 17:59.26 | fsmithred_ | would it help to see the strace output? I've got it, but I don't know what any of it means. |
| 17:59.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds like it maybe wants to open a file during self.get("setpath") in a path it doesn't have write permissions? |
| 18:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, please post the strace |
| 18:00.42 | fsmithred_ | maybe. I had a weird problem in the last week. Could not write to disk, but it was mounted rw. I did a re-mount and it was ok |
| 18:01.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | send strace -f |
| 18:02.47 | fsmithred_ | is that different from -o? |
| 18:02.57 | fsmithred_ | output file? |
| 18:03.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, -f includes froks |
| 18:03.29 | fsmithred_ | ok, yeah, |
| 18:04.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | it has no parameter and is complementary to -o |
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| 18:05.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | or should I say orthogonal |
| 18:05.02 | fsmithred_ | https://paste.debian.net/975472/ |
| 18:05.54 | fsmithred_ | brb |
| 18:07.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | check /home/avedis/.weather/searches |
| 18:08.24 | fsmithred_ | empty |
| 18:09.08 | fsmithred_ | date Jul 4 |
| 18:09.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, shouldn't be size=0 I guess |
| 18:10.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't ask me why it is. compate to ~root/.weather/searches |
| 18:10.31 | fsmithred_ | yeah, just did that |
| 18:10.31 | fsmithred_ | it's full |
| 18:11.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | for a stopgap, cp ~root/.weather/searches /home/avedis/.weather/searches && chown avedis /home/avedis/.weather/searches |
| 18:11.46 | fsmithred_ | ok, copied the file and gave user ownership, and now it works |
| 18:11.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
| 18:12.02 | fsmithred_ | I go for the easy solutions |
| 18:12.41 | fsmithred_ | cool. It works if I try a different weather station that wasn't already in the searches file |
| 18:13.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | inconsistency between searches file content and some other file in .waether/ ? |
| 18:14.10 | fsmithred_ | I compared permissions between root and user and they were the same (analogous) |
| 18:14.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | you probably could rm -r ~/.weather |
| 18:14.22 | fsmithred_ | I'll try that |
| 18:14.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | mv |
| 18:14.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather |
| 18:14.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | mv ~/.weather ~/.weather-AWAY |
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| 18:16.02 | fsmithred_ | it works with no .weather |
| 18:16.25 | fsmithred_ | and makes a new one |
| 18:16.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, supposed to create it when missing |
| 18:17.22 | fsmithred_ | normally, conky runs this program every 30 minutes |
| 18:17.44 | fsmithred_ | and it just stopped displaying the weather |
| 18:17.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the failure pattern is like "user selcted NYC as station, app wrote "NYC" to .weather/whatever and aborted before writing the corresponding content to .weather/searches |
| 18:18.46 | fsmithred_ | sounds like that could happen if I lost network connection in the middle of it. |
| 18:18.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 18:19.07 | fsmithred_ | I did lose connection a couple of time recently |
| 18:19.14 | fsmithred_ | thanks |
| 18:19.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | app has poor error handling and recovery |
| 18:19.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly none at all |
| 18:20.21 | golinux | fsmithred_: When you finish with doc on PM |
| 18:20.21 | golinux | please |
| 18:20.46 | fsmithred_ | ok, I think we're done |
| 18:21.27 | golinux | Or when doc is finished with you. LOL |
| 18:21.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | haha, I hope I didn't do too much damage to fsmithred_ |
| 18:21.54 | fsmithred_ | brb. |
| 18:22.04 | fsmithred_ | nope. no damage. fixed something. |
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| 18:23.28 | fsmithred | do I look like myself again? |
| 18:23.30 | fsmithred | yes |
| 18:23.34 | golinux | Yes |
| 18:23.38 | golinux | finally |
| 18:23.44 | fsmithred | sorry about that |
| 18:30.28 | banshi | i can't believe... I can't create windows vista bootable usb from gnu/linux!!! |
| 18:32.01 | golinux | Count your blessings |
| 18:32.01 | banshi | blessings? hehehe |
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| 18:34.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | I rather guess the data you use to make that USB is not suited for that usecase |
| 18:40.20 | banshi | maybe someone has windows usb image ? |
| 18:40.32 | banshi | made by dd or something similar |
| 18:42.11 | fsmithred | need lunch. bbiab. run away from vista. |
| 18:42.27 | Xenguy | Is there any way to get 'apt-file' functionality going in Devuan, or is it impossible (for unknown technical reasons) ? |
| 18:43.53 | golinux | fsmithred: Has figured a way which I'll try to remember. |
| 18:44.38 | golinux | I think he downloaded that from debian and saved it somewhere in ~. |
| 18:45.35 | golinux | Currently amprolla ignores apt-file for pkgs coming directly from Debian. |
| 18:46.51 | golinux | You might search for apt-file in the botbot logs, on dng and the forum. I forget where he talked about ti. |
| 18:46.55 | detha | banshi: our wiki says http://paste.debian.net/975478/ |
| 18:48.49 | banshi | detha, ok, i'll give it a try |
| 18:49.06 | banshi | thx |
| 18:49.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | ms-sys? hmmm |
| 18:50.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | is that creating the bootloader? |
| 18:52.09 | Xenguy | Thanks golinux |
| 18:52.27 | golinux | Xenguy: Here's a thread about it: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170430.235720.5f7e854f.en.html |
| 18:52.33 | Xenguy | Oh thank you |
| 18:52.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | strange, googling for ms-sys gets me to http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Mbr |
| 18:53.08 | Xenguy | It would be nice if it could be incorporated into however amprolla works, but as I say, there may be technical reasons why this is non-trivial. |
| 18:57.49 | golinux | Do you log #devuan-dev? |
| 18:57.59 | golinux | There was a discussion yesterday |
| 18:58.09 | Xenguy | I don't, no. |
| 18:58.18 | golinux | hold on a sec |
| 18:58.21 | Xenguy | k |
| 18:59.39 | fsmithred | my secret technique for apt-file... |
| 18:59.45 | fsmithred | chroot /mnt/sdb2 |
| 18:59.56 | fsmithred | where /mnt/sdb2 holds my old wheezy installation |
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| 19:01.09 | bill-auger | im still waiting for "buzz" |
| 19:01.15 | buZz | ? |
| 19:01.28 | Xenguy | haha, thanks fsmithred |
| 19:02.36 | fsmithred | I think someone has a fix in mind for apt-file in devuan, and I think it has to do with Contents files. |
| 19:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | (ZSB stick) http://www.livecd.ethz.ch/usbdisk_sl4_sl5.html seems useful info |
| 19:07.39 | golinux | Does talk about getting Vista installed in a usb belong here? |
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| 19:09.40 | Xenguy | I think someone should give Vista a visa so it can go Hasta la vista |
| 19:09.44 | Xenguy | = ) |
| 19:15.48 | fsmithred | the link is about how to put a linux live-CD on a usb stick. It does basically the same thing that refracta2usb does. |
| 19:15.49 | golinux | The thought of Vista is what drove me to Linux as my primary OS. Was just playing with it before then. |
| 19:16.32 | fsmithred | in Chinese medicine, that would be classified as an external pernicious influence. |
| 19:16.36 | buZz | golinux: winME did the same for me |
| 19:16.45 | golinux | missed a shift in topic |
| 19:17.05 | fsmithred | I was replying to you, golinux |
| 19:17.24 | fsmithred | you adapted rather than succumb. |
| 19:17.26 | golinux | WinME was my first computer. It was a gift. |
| 19:17.29 | Xenguy | pernicious indeed |
| 19:17.36 | golinux | . . . of sorts |
| 19:17.40 | buZz | guess i'm a bit older ;) |
| 19:17.55 | fsmithred | no, you just got into computers sooner |
| 19:17.57 | buZz | i've only used windows for ~3 years |
| 19:18.02 | fsmithred | ducks |
| 19:18.08 | buZz | seemed such a pointless OS |
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| 19:18.32 | banshi | detha, I LOVE YOU |
| 19:18.38 | banshi | you are the best!!! |
| 19:19.03 | golinux | buZz: I was looking at 60 when I started computing on WinME. |
| 19:19.26 | buZz | ah, i was 6 when i started 'computering' ;) |
| 19:19.44 | buZz | fsmithred was totally right |
| 19:19.50 | golinux | You're hard-wired |
| 19:19.56 | golinux | And we are waaaay OT |
| 19:19.59 | detha | banshi: you're welcome. Just proving the point there is nothing devuan cannot do ;) |
| 19:20.29 | buZz | golinux: no worries, i'll kick myself once it gets too far ;) |
| 19:21.31 | banshi | but I get another problem. Install.wim doesn't exist (says system) |
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| 19:22.56 | detha | has no idea what Install.wim is. Stopped using windows in the XP days, and I have the odd 7 VM to test things on |
| 19:23.34 | Xenguy | stabs w!ndows, and all its ilk ... |
| 19:25.03 | detha | banshi: maybe some hidden file on the install ISO that didn't get copied? |
| 19:25.24 | banshi | i'm not sure... |
| 19:26.10 | DPA | Starts Windows 7 on an iPad2 http://dpa.li/winOnIpad2.mp4 |
| 19:26.56 | Xenguy | Take it to #debianfork folks, please, this is getting annoying now |
| 19:29.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks getting $anything installed on a USB stick under *devuan* is somewhat on topic here |
| 19:29.35 | fsmithred | I want to know what detha said. |
| 19:30.10 | fsmithred | seriously, can you boot windows from syslinux? |
| 19:30.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as it doesn't dive too deep into idiosyncrasies of the system on the stick |
| 19:30.51 | gnarface | banshi: just fyi if you're on ceres, apt-file has been broken in unstable for years |
| 19:30.58 | gnarface | banshi: (not a devuan-specific problem) |
| 19:31.17 | Xenguy | I'm kinda here for the free software, but as they say, OK whatevsies :P |
| 19:31.55 | fsmithred | I'm interested because I maintain a program that makes live-usb from a live-cd |
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| 19:32.28 | golinux | gnarface: already discussed and referenced. |
| 19:32.40 | Xenguy | Variety is the spice, I know : -) |
| 19:33.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | still didn't succeed to set up a dualboot with linux and win7 on his only win-infested machine |
| 19:34.13 | detha | fsmithred: that link was specifically about making Doze bootable USB sticks with ms-sys. |
| 19:36.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | bootloaders are a special headache in times of systemd assimilated boot and UEFI as icing on top |
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| 19:38.37 | fsmithred | detha, you mean the link that Doc provided? |
| 19:39.01 | detha | fsmithred: no, http://paste.debian.net/975478/ |
| 19:39.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | my link was about generic info regarding bootloaders |
| 19:39.41 | fsmithred | yeah, I see now. Thanks. |
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| 21:37.36 | greenjeans | hi |
| 21:38.16 | gnu_srs1 | howdy :) |
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| 21:43.42 | fsmithred | hi greenjeans |
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| 22:25.20 | kdlsp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:29.13 | kdlsp | hi, when I try to run Synaptic package manager from Applications menu it does not start, nothing happens. Changing the command "synaptic-pkexec" to ""gksu synaptic |
| 22:30.15 | kdlsp | that fixed the problem, is it a bug? |
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| 22:38.07 | Xenguy | I think you're supposed to have root privileges to install software |
| 22:38.23 | golinux | gksu is root |
| 22:38.29 | Xenguy | But shouldn't synaptic offer to elevate privileges? |
| 22:38.33 | Xenguy | Yep, I know. |
| 22:39.13 | Xenguy | To me, synaptic should run as an ordinary user, then offer to elevate to root |
| 22:39.24 | kdlsp | yeah I have root, its just that the default command "synaptic-pkexec" does not run Synaptic but "gksu synaptic" does (when selecting from Applications menu) |
| 22:39.24 | Xenguy | Instead of having to run it via gksu |
| 22:39.31 | golinux | I'm still using gksu to launch synaptic because pkexec is a pita |
| 22:40.05 | Xenguy | Interesting. I never started using synaptic, as apt-get and friends worked fine for me |
| 22:40.28 | fsmithred | kdlsp, yes, we've discussed it, but I don't know the solution - https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=675 |
| 22:40.40 | fsmithred | how did you install? |
| 22:41.42 | kdlsp | ok thanks. I installed with the current net-install-image and selected "desktop XFCE" |
| 22:42.04 | fsmithred | damn, that should work. |
| 22:42.18 | fsmithred | If you installed from CD without network, you end up missing a lot. |
| 22:43.59 | kdlsp | let me know if you want any more info, I ran apt-get update and upgrade after net-install and there were no new updates (of course) |
| 22:47.53 | fsmithred | I don't know what to ask for. |
| 22:48.02 | fsmithred | I solved it the same way you did. |
| 22:48.48 | fsmithred | hint: make a separate .desktop file for the gksu version and change the name so you recognize it in the menu. |
| 22:49.03 | fsmithred | that way if synaptic gets upgraded, you don't lose your change. |
| 22:50.50 | fsmithred | if it makes you feel any better, in one of my ascii installs, I can run gparted-pkexec as user without authenticating |
| 22:52.07 | kdlsp | excellent :) |
| 22:52.17 | fsmithred | wants to rant |
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| 22:52.58 | fsmithred | kdlsp, have you added any software? |
| 22:53.36 | fsmithred | or are you still on whatever the installation gave you? |
| 22:54.55 | fsmithred | if you haven't added or removed stuff, run 'dpkg -l | wc -l' and tell me what number you get |
| 22:54.58 | kdlsp | yes but only _after_ changing to "gksu synaptic" since I could not start Synaptic before that. I installed Hexchat after that to come here |
| 22:54.59 | fsmithred | brb |
| 22:55.10 | golinux | kdlsp: I have a launcher in an xfce panel stack |
| 22:55.15 | fsmithred | ok, do it anyway |
| 22:55.40 | kdlsp | I get '1287' |
| 22:55.47 | fsmithred | oops |
| 22:55.52 | golinux | Keeps desktop cleaner and those stacks save space! |
| 22:55.55 | fsmithred | should be closer to 1400 |
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| 22:56.38 | fsmithred | you didn't change anything at the tasksel window? |
| 22:57.31 | kdlsp | is that when I select xfce/lxde/MATE? I did uncheck "printer" because I have none |
| 22:57.47 | fsmithred | yeah, that's the window I mean |
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| 22:59.54 | greenjeans | pkexec is crap |
| 23:00.06 | fsmithred | well then, I don't know what number you should get. Removing task-printserver could remove a lot of packages |
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| 23:00.35 | greenjeans | I was able to break it super-easy |
| 23:00.48 | fsmithred | you can check the package list for the desktop-live and see if anything obvious is missing from your package list (dpkg -l) |
| 23:01.03 | fsmithred | list is at the download site with the isos |
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| 23:02.38 | aitor | i tried again building linux-heads: not enough space in the hard disk, arrr... |
| 23:02.58 | fsmithred | I hate when that happens |
| 23:03.07 | Xenguy | Somebody donate a laptop to aitor :) |
| 23:04.22 | aitor | I am satisfied with a devuan t-shirt |
| 23:04.26 | aitor | lol |
| 23:04.44 | Xenguy | That's a good idea, hrm |
| 23:04.57 | fsmithred | spare lappy is a good idea, too. |
| 23:04.57 | Xenguy | I suppose there is a Devuan shoppe? |
| 23:05.18 | Xenguy | When it comes to laptops, one is never enough |
| 23:05.34 | fsmithred | I got one that way. Partly broken, but it does the job. It's my fastest machine. Making a live-iso went from 40 minutes to less than 10 |
| 23:06.32 | Xenguy | Much better |
| 23:06.36 | greenjeans | I would buy a Devuan shirt, especially if it said something really insulting about potty-wearing |
| 23:06.43 | Xenguy | Yes |
| 23:06.54 | Xenguy | A whole line of LP dissing designs, haha |
| 23:07.11 | greenjeans | i too need a new lappy, FSR 10 minutes would be a dream come true for squashing |
| 23:08.00 | greenjeans | could probably do it in 5 on my desktop at home, but no internets at my cabin inna woods |
| 23:08.30 | Xenguy | Do you prefer it that way? |
| 23:08.43 | greenjeans | yeah, most days I do |
| 23:08.52 | greenjeans | it's an inconveninece at times |
| 23:09.07 | Xenguy | Sure but sounds interesting to have an internet-free zone |
| 23:09.08 | greenjeans | but makes me stay pretty sane |
| 23:09.32 | Xenguy | It seems to me that's what cottages originally were about... |
| 23:09.39 | greenjeans | I don't own a smartphone either, and don't take phone calls when i'm at home |
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| 23:09.43 | Xenguy | Trying to get away from hustle and bustle |
| 23:09.46 | Xenguy | etc. |
| 23:09.54 | greenjeans | okay, gotta run, have a great weekend guys! |
| 23:10.09 | Xenguy | Good for you, we're a minority these days |
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| 23:58.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | pkexec, what the heck is this? |
