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| 00:16.42 | Schallaven | http://picpaste.com/pics/Y1nicgp0.1498954572.png :) |
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| 00:22.44 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 || This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 00:22.54 | Schallaven | the mods are from me, actually |
| 00:23.55 | Schallaven | I was positively surprised that it needed only minor changes to run |
| 00:24.04 | Schallaven | so good job, I guess :) |
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| 01:47.39 | furrywolf | I picked up a pair of speakers labeled L-10R. they have no brand on them as far as I can tell. they're mid-sized bookshelf speakers, relatively heavy, 8" woofer and some kind of odd tweeter. ported. anyone ever hear of them? |
| 01:47.42 | furrywolf | grr, wrong window |
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| 07:40.21 | _abc_ | Hello. Does anyone know if the devuan live image has sshd on and listening when booted 1st time? |
| 07:40.32 | _abc_ | I assume a password must be set before use? |
| 07:41.08 | _abc_ | (why are basic infos such as default user and password so impossible to add for release developers? - all distros seem to suffer of this) |
| 07:41.19 | _abc_ | https://files.devuan.org/README.txt oooh got it |
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| 08:06.37 | aitor | hi |
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| 08:09.34 | aitor | parazyd: the header #include "../../../include/generated/autoconf.h" in the file "/arch/x86/tools/relocs.c" is superfluous |
| 08:09.49 | aitor | this header doesn't exist |
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| 08:48.14 | _abc_ | Does anyone have a screenshot of the current live jessie devuan desktop after booting? |
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| 08:59.55 | ryuujin | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/6237 |
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| 09:07.41 | zdzichu | ryuujin: wrong channel |
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| 09:47.26 | gnu_srs1 | zdzichu: Do you mean #debianfork? |
| 09:49.20 | gnu_srs1 | Interesting though: Censoring is going on: mbiebl locked and limited conversation to collaborators 8 hours ago |
| 09:49.20 | gnu_srs1 | poettering deleted a comment from jrmithdobbs an hour ago |
| 09:49.21 | gnu_srs1 | oettering deleted a comment from sergeyfrolov an hour ago |
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| 11:09.34 | firegarden | hi guys |
| 11:09.35 | firegarden | git.devuan.org certificato scaduto :\ |
| 11:09.44 | firegarden | ssl cert is fucked up |
| 11:15.52 | firegarden | ? |
| 11:16.54 | zdzichu | again⦠|
| 11:18.54 | firegarden | yep. right now. LE deadline is 2 july i think the certbot autoupdate failed |
| 11:19.19 | firegarden | [and i was working on git :\ ] |
| 11:20.16 | parazyd | lel |
| 11:22.28 | zdzichu | a distro which can't even get certificates right |
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| 11:42.34 | Leander | at least the website is (not yet?) impacted |
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| 11:48.09 | ryuujin | zdzichu: why wrong channel? I was showing why systemd is shitsemd |
| 11:48.28 | ryuujin | better, one of the many reasons |
| 11:49.37 | fsmithred | a discussion about the topic in the link would be more off-topic than the link itself |
| 11:51.14 | ryuujin | fsmithred: got it |
| 11:54.04 | zdzichu | ryuujin: you can have such discussion on #debianfork; there's no systemd in devuan, so it is not relevan here |
| 11:55.18 | fsmithred | damn, I was about to start discussing the content (and doing it without going off-topic) but I can't. I can't create a new user |
| 11:55.46 | fsmithred | failure while writing changes to /etc/group even when I do it with adduser and a legal name |
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| 12:25.48 | NewGnuGuy | Speaking of web certs, the cert for https://dev1galaxy.org/ expires on the 4th. |
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| 12:51.24 | fsmithred | well, that was weird. / was mounted rw, but remounting it rw fixed the problem. |
| 12:52.35 | fsmithred | for the record, I can create a user 0day with 'adduser --force-badname' but that user cannot run root commands. |
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| 14:24.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | get a decent wildcard cert valid 2 years already!!! |
| 14:25.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | LE is a toy |
| 14:29.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | about the relevamce of systemd bug tickets: they often have impact on devuan since we need to cope with the fallout here, so a mere link is prolly ok |
| 14:30.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | discussion of the details prolly mot, unless they evidently have such impact on devuan |
| 14:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | not* |
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| 14:59.14 | _systemd_is_evil | sup |
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| 15:39.08 | Schallaven | hello devuaners o/ |
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| 18:18.49 | Evilham | Hello there, I am trying to get an overview of the state of the project (thanks a lot!) and just realised that the certificate for https://git.devuan.org/ expired about 8 hours ago |
| 18:20.02 | gnarface | Centurion_Dan, fsmithred, jaromil ^^^^ |
| 18:20.27 | golinux | Evilham: Yeah, we know |
| 18:20.43 | Evilham | ok! :) |
| 18:21.01 | Evilham | just thought I'd let you know in case you didn't ^^ |
| 18:21.29 | golinux | Never hurts to report |
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| 18:51.48 | buZz | Evilham: thanks :) |
| 18:52.10 | buZz | blegh, HSTS is so horrible |
| 18:52.56 | Evilham | it is when something goes remotely wrong >,< |
| 18:53.06 | buZz | or anything at all |
| 18:53.31 | buZz | usually just Lets Encrypt scripts that run on the wrong moment of day |
| 18:56.48 | metax | systemd sucks |
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| 19:06.49 | aitor | hi |
| 19:07.29 | aitor | parazyd, are you ther? |
| 19:07.33 | aitor | there* |
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| 19:11.59 | aitor | linux-heads has built succesfully, but one step during the packaging failed |
| 19:14.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders after how many fixing sessions to make LE work (again) a commercial wildcard cert is cheaper than the expense for engineer working hours to babysit LE crap |
| 19:14.49 | aitor | i attach the *.build file again: |
| 19:14.50 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/linux-heads_4.9.33-1_i386.build |
| 19:14.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | and how much reputation damage you could save with that |
| 19:15.32 | aitor | i know where is the mistake, no worries :) |
| 19:17.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | for like 10 bucks a month you get rid of all worries regarding certs for at least 2 years |
| 19:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems like LE is a poor deal compared to that, from very beginning |
| 19:19.42 | aitor | time to dinner, see you later :) |
| 19:20.15 | golinux | FYI: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170702.185541.2f826692.en.html |
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| 19:24.25 | Evilham | so, I've been reading the documentation, and there is something I haven't seen: if "jessie" is going to have LTS, what does it mean? is there a specific time frame? or it hasn't been decided yet? |
| 19:24.54 | Evilham | or debian policy applies and it's basically until it becomes oldoldstable? |
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| 19:29.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I *think* I've seen sth about 5 years. Might be dreaming though |
| 19:33.03 | Evilham | maybe on the forum, not on the official release :-p |
| 19:41.00 | Evilham | aaand another silly question, is there something like https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages ? A quick overview of the packages in each distribution. Just tried packages.devuan.org but I think it's just repo metadata |
| 19:50.57 | NewGnuGuy | jaromil KatolaZ: The cert for dev1galaxy.org expires on the 4th. |
| 19:52.03 | Evilham | xD good catch |
| 19:53.11 | gnarface | Evilham: packages.devuan.org is supposed to be it, but it's not done yet as you can see. there's only a couple exceptions from packages.debian.org though. |
| 19:53.58 | gnarface | hmm... although i don't remember seeing this before... https://devuan.org/os/packages/ |
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| 19:57.31 | Evilham | the cert is fine now btw |
| 19:58.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | !packages |
| 19:59.17 | NewGnuGuy | Evilham: which one? |
| 20:01.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | !pkg |
| 20:01.06 | infobot | hmm... #devuan packagelist is on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages |
| 20:02.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | !literal pkg |
| 20:02.08 | infobot | "#devuan pkg" is "<reply>see #devuan packagelist" |
| 20:10.20 | golinux | NewGnuGuy: Thanks for the heads up but the d1g cert has never failed to renew |
| 20:10.39 | Evilham | git.devuan.org: the cert is fine :-) |
| 20:10.49 | golinux | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170702.185541.2f826692.en.html |
| 20:12.32 | Evilham | !packagelist |
| 20:12.32 | infobot | i heard packagelist is on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages |
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| 20:15.01 | Evilham | hum, so that package list is already somewhat useful, but it's missing the current version and the ability to select the distribution (ascii / jessie) |
| 20:15.15 | Evilham | I don't find a related repo on /groups/devuan-packages though |
| 20:15.32 | Evilham | does anybody know where I can file the bug/request? |
| 20:16.33 | gnarface | Evilham: bugs being filed on the gitlab somewhere (git.devuan.org) |
| 20:17.32 | Evilham | so I just file it somewhere and it'll get redirected to the proper group / project? |
| 20:18.36 | gnarface | uh, not exactly what i meant by that; more that i just don't know the exact url, it's somewhere on that gitlab though |
| 20:19.44 | Evilham | haha ok, but that _is_ the prefered way,r ight? because there's also the debian-style BTS |
| 20:20.02 | Schallaven | https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages/issues ? |
| 20:20.58 | gnarface | Evilham: there's just no stand-alone bug tracker yet. it's more a manpower thing. so they're using built-in gitlab functionality for now because it was the fastest thing to get up&running |
| 20:22.51 | gnarface | Schallaven: yea, that looks like the right one. Evilham, use that link Schallaven just posted. |
| 20:23.36 | Evilham | Ok, however I did look through the projects and didn't see one fitting that page |
| 20:23.50 | Evilham | but maybe they'll know and redirect me to the proper one :-) |
| 20:25.21 | Evilham | actually I can't create an issue against the group, but only against a project >,< |
| 20:30.02 | Evilham | duh, found it... sorry about the verbose. I hadn't noticed the "site source" link in the footer. |
| 20:30.17 | Evilham | for the record, this is it: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/blob/beta.devuan.org/source/os/packages/package.md.erb |
| 20:31.44 | gnarface | aah, good. glad you found it. |
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| 20:34.22 | Schallaven | :) |
| 20:42.41 | Evilham | ook, I just reported my first devuan bug and am halfway through the first install, it has been productive :-) thanks |
| 20:42.50 | Evilham | this is the issue btw: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues/148 |
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| 21:28.15 | golinux | Evilham: Saw your 'bug' posted on git. |
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| 21:32.28 | golinux | An alternate presentation of package information is currently being developed. |
| 21:33.10 | golinux | But I have no idea how it is being formatted or what info it will contain. |
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| 21:53.56 | Evilham | golinux: do you happen to know where development for that is taking place? if so I'd take a look |
| 21:54.51 | golinux | Well, I do the website and I haven't even seen it yet. |
| 21:55.31 | Evilham | hehehe, ok, so the latest code is in that project? if I wanted to give it a go, that'd be the place? |
| 21:55.37 | golinux | I suspect it will be going to off site ;links much like Debian does. |
| 21:56.29 | Evilham | because right now, it's a statically generated page, right? |
| 21:56.46 | golinux | Let's back up a bit. |
| 21:57.14 | golinux | That version of the site is about to be deprecated because it is very difficult to work with. |
| 21:58.44 | golinux | I have prepared a static html version that may or may not be implemented. You can see it here: http://www.saynotogmos.org/devuan-final/ |
| 21:59.33 | golinux | That code is only on my desktop, not even in git yet. |
| 22:00.31 | golinux | It was discussed at the last dev meet a few days ago. Let me see if I can find the discussion about the package pages |
| 22:01.06 | Evilham | oh, that'd be cool |
| 22:02.21 | fsmithred | Evilham, we have a real bugtracker at bugs.devuan.org, but I think you can only report via email at this time. |
| 22:05.23 | golinux | fsmithred: That's not really a 'bug' is it? |
| 22:05.39 | fsmithred | I don't know what the issue is |
| 22:05.51 | fsmithred | just got here and skimmed the scrollback |
| 22:06.00 | golinux | Read up about 20 lines |
| 22:06.31 | golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues/148 |
| 22:06.54 | golinux | He's requesting a more detailed pkg list on the site. |
| 22:06.55 | Evilham | it's about the site, more of a feature? it'd be quite interesting to have an overview of package availability and versions on devuan's different versions |
| 22:07.41 | fsmithred | as long as the right people see it, I guess it doesn't matter where it is. |
| 22:07.45 | golinux | As I said, I don't think that's going to be on the site itself one's it's done. Instead will go to linked pages. |
| 22:07.58 | golinux | one's > once |
| 22:08.13 | Evilham | probs like packages.debian.org works, makes sense because this will most likely need to be dynamic |
| 22:08.53 | Evilham | golinux: what are you using to generate the static version of the web you are locally working on? |
| 22:09.16 | golinux | I did it manually. |
| 22:09.30 | golinux | Very old school, I am |
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| 22:10.33 | Evilham | I see, that's not sustainable tho, is it? :-D. I have had some success using a static webpage generator called hyde: https://github.com/hyde/hyde |
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| 22:10.54 | Evilham | it's very lightweight, has nearly no dependencies and is very flexible |
| 22:11.05 | Schallaven | if the content of the page is practically static then a static page is all you need :) |
| 22:11.41 | Evilham | yes, but if it's all in html files, it makes making changes very difficult |
| 22:12.05 | Evilham | some kind of templating makes it quite easier |
| 22:12.33 | Evilham | and then just serving the static html files works just fine |
| 22:12.57 | Schallaven | have you looked at the html code of the devuan site? it is very basic imho and easy to maintain |
| 22:13.13 | Schallaven | (for now) |
| 22:16.18 | Evilham | it is very nice html ^^ and probably better in the short term, but mid-term deciding to e.g. add a link to the top menu/footer would imply manually changing all html files, which is not cool |
| 22:16.53 | Schallaven | true :) |
| 22:17.01 | golinux | Agreed but there is resistance to php includes. |
| 22:17.25 | Evilham | understandably |
| 22:17.39 | golinux | Schallaven: The backend that generates those html pages is a nightmare to work with: |
| 22:17.43 | golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/tree/beta.devuan.org/source |
| 22:17.54 | Schallaven | oh |
| 22:17.55 | Evilham | I really think moving it from plain html files to a static webpage generator, where a script is ran against a repo and the resulting files uploaded to a server wouldn't be too much of a pain |
| 22:18.09 | Schallaven | I did not know there was a backend for these static pages, actually; my bad |
| 22:18.15 | Evilham | ooooh |
| 22:18.17 | golinux | So now it is at least in human workable html files. |
| 22:19.44 | golinux | Schallaven: Take a look and see how much sense that makes to you . . . |
| 22:20.19 | Schallaven | I took a look and closed it again :) |
| 22:20.42 | Evilham | do you mind if I transform your html files into something that statically generates them? from smaller html files with the content (anything inside <div class="wrap">) --> your full html files |
| 22:21.07 | Evilham | I can always do it and you decide against, but if it's going to be a clear no, I'd rather invest the time differently :-P |
| 22:21.39 | Schallaven | but if I understand correctly the backend just formats a md-file, doesn't it? |
| 22:22.47 | golinux | If that gets done it would be with jaromil's webnomad |
| 22:23.28 | golinux | But the pieces are scattered like leaves in the wind. |
| 22:24.33 | golinux | https://www.dyne.org/software/webnomad/ |
| 22:24.49 | golinux | I'm way to old school to deal with that |
| 22:25.07 | golinux | to > too |
| 22:25.21 | Evilham | I'm already looking into it |
| 22:25.53 | golinux | Evilham: You're on webcaht? |
| 22:26.57 | Evilham | yes >,< |
| 22:27.18 | Schallaven | I gave up on webpages some time ago |
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| 22:27.56 | aitor | hi |
| 22:28.38 | golinux | Schallaven: Sometimes websites are necessary . . . |
| 22:29.34 | Evilham | yes, it's the main entry point to the project. Btw, just finished installing my first devuan machine. |
| 22:30.19 | Schallaven | I know, I know :) |
| 22:30.45 | Schallaven | have devuan running here in a vm, very nice and fast |
| 22:30.52 | Evilham | golinux: would you mind passing me a zip with the html files you generated? ^^ |
| 22:31.07 | Schallaven | installed MATE and now playing around a little bit, e.g. http://picpaste.com/pics/Ey0fOWpC.1499033364.png |
| 22:31.44 | Evilham | I went headless for this one, I'm mainly interested using devuan on servers |
| 22:32.06 | Schallaven | I think it could be a nice base for a desktop system too :) |
| 22:32.39 | Evilham | for sure! if the aim is a base universal system, it should ^^ |
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| 22:36.54 | specing | Evilham: wouldn't alpine be better for servers? |
| 22:37.01 | specing | its hardened |
| 22:37.23 | specing | or gentoo hardened |
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| 22:40.21 | Evilham | maybe, but I've been using debian for ages and really like the idea of a "unviersal operating system", which is why I'm glad devuan exists nowadays |
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| 22:47.26 | aitor | parazyd is missing :) |
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| 22:48.30 | aitor | time to bed, here |
| 22:48.35 | aitor | bye |
| 22:49.23 | Evilham | bona nit! |
| 22:50.42 | aitor | ondo lo egin ! |
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| 23:06.58 | golinux | Evilham: Let's wait to see if the site actually gets deployed before putting any more effort into it. |
| 23:09.45 | Evilham | got it :) |
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