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| 00:14.43 | ozmage | hello |
| 00:15.04 | ozmage | when i can get devuan based on debian 9 ? |
| 00:15.10 | ozmage | already ?> |
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| 00:18.49 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 | https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 00:26.20 | aitor | hi |
| 00:31.36 | golinux | ozmage: Upgrade to ascii (stretch). It's not ready for primetime yet though. Be prepared to fix things . . . ceres = sid |
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| 00:33.07 | ozmage | kk |
| 00:33.11 | ozmage | thx |
| 00:33.18 | aitor | i can't build vdev in ascii |
| 00:33.41 | aitor | dpkg-gencontrol: aviso: no se puede analizar la dependencia udev (232-25) |
| 00:38.32 | aitor | dpkg-gencontrol: fallo: se ha detectado un error al analizar el campo «Provides»: udev (232-25) |
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| 00:44.05 | aitor | i only changed the version of udev |
| 00:44.23 | aitor | in the debian/control file |
| 00:48.20 | aitor | solved: i forgot the "=" symbol, LOL ! |
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| 01:01.47 | fsmithred | We need to make a big public announcement that says ASCII IS NOT READY FOR PRIME-TIME |
| 01:10.18 | zyliwax | is ascii supposed to be equivalent to stretch? |
| 01:18.17 | fsmithred | yes |
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| 01:29.50 | Xenguy | "Here there be dragons" |
| 01:30.53 | aitor | fsmithred: i installed vdev within a chroot jail contining devuan ascii and linux-libre-4.9.25, patched for vdev |
| 01:31.02 | aitor | tomorrow i'll try to run it |
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| 01:31.25 | aitor | bye, too late here :) |
| 01:40.10 | zyliwax | yeah i'm seeing the vestigiality of libpulse0 confirmed when running strace on mplayer, it tries to access several library/config files, only one of which actually exists (libpulsecommon-5.0.so) |
| 01:40.43 | zyliwax | this makes me happy that the dep can ultimately be removed altogether, i suppose the next step would be to try a build huh? |
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| 02:12.11 | Latrina | I went funtoo, on the laptop at least |
| 02:12.32 | Latrina | router / AP remains devuan jessie |
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| 02:39.58 | batmore | golinux,fsmithred,rrq: I checked out Amazon Web Services, Devuan-1.0-TLS by maurorappa... Amazon image for people to use within AWS env. Very nice installation and setup. Far and away better than my AWS instance. The docs for the image are straight forward and correct. You end up with a usable simple install of Devuan Jessie 1.0 with TLS effective (security). I recommend it as the base, goto AWS AMI image to use within Amazon clo |
| 02:43.03 | batmore | golinux,fsmithred,rrq: for reference... the aws ami image I produced was an adaption of an earlier Debian Wheezy, that was upgraded to Devuan Jessie v1.0. Mine ends up using xilinux for boot rather than grub(2). Mine is simpler, but maurorappa's image is more true to current Devuan Jessie setup/config. cheers |
| 02:44.36 | fsmithred | batmore, thanks. jaromil parazyd Centurion_Dan KatolaZ ^^^ |
| 02:45.05 | golinux | batmore: Thanks for the review. Are you going to post it in that forum thread or should I? |
| 02:46.05 | batmore | golinux: either way... I can't get to it now, away from desk, so if you'd like to annotate, then I'll follow up. |
| 02:46.11 | golinux | That's really good news to have a AMI |
| 02:46.30 | golinux | OK. I'll do that. |
| 02:47.13 | batmore | k, back later |
| 02:48.25 | fsmithred | g'night |
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| 04:28.49 | AlexLikeRock | "DEVEDE" not work at devuan |
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| 09:51.02 | negev | hi, what is going on here? this looks broken https://pastebin.com/PDgDibz2 |
| 09:51.21 | negev | it seems to think removing the kernel without replacing it with anything is ok? :D |
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| 13:33.24 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 | https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 14:30.55 | sixwheeledbeast | Why is the next release important? |
| 14:31.25 | gnarface | because debian just released theirs |
| 14:31.35 | sixwheeledbeast | ah |
| 14:32.37 | gnarface | now, personally i think they did it early just because they saw a swiftly forming vaccum sucking people into devuan |
| 14:32.45 | gnarface | but that's just my paranoid speculation |
| 14:33.27 | parazyd | quickly? |
| 14:33.32 | parazyd | wasn't stretch frozen months ago |
| 14:33.41 | gnarface | quick for them |
| 14:34.09 | KatolaZ | I think that stretch's freez was planned already before Devuan beta 2 came out last November |
| 14:34.16 | gnarface | the freeze was planned |
| 14:34.17 | mns` | that's what a think too |
| 14:34.19 | gnarface | but it's been RELEASED now |
| 14:34.25 | parazyd | so? |
| 14:34.30 | parazyd | devuan 2 != debian |
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| 14:34.32 | gnarface | just that it wasn't projected until after august, last i heard |
| 14:34.32 | KatolaZ | let's be honest: Debian doesn't give a shit of what Devuan does :) |
| 14:34.37 | parazyd | ^^ |
| 14:35.40 | mns` | but to me, devuan one should focus only in release when it's ready. Its not a race |
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| 14:36.01 | mns` | to me, quality comes first |
| 14:36.14 | KatolaZ | mns`: devuan jessie came out 2 years after Debian jessie :) |
| 14:36.43 | mns` | KatolaZ: for now, thats ok |
| 14:37.28 | KatolaZ | I guess ascii will be a bit qucker, but who knows? |
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| 14:37.46 | KatolaZ | or better, ascii could probably be a bit quicker, but who knows? |
| 14:37.54 | mns` | but quality first |
| 14:37.59 | mns` | please |
| 14:38.00 | mns` | :) |
| 14:38.02 | gnarface | well i agree that devuan jessie is no less production ready today than it was yesterday just because debian jessie has been moved to oldstable, and i agree that ascii is no more necessary today than it was yesterday just because debian released stretch either, but some people will see it that way nonetheless |
| 14:38.21 | KatolaZ | definitely gnarface |
| 14:38.28 | KatolaZ | but we can't make all users happy |
| 14:38.37 | KatolaZ | nobody can |
| 14:38.40 | sixwheeledbeast | If your choosing Debian over Devuan because of "next release" alone, are you not missing the point of Devuan? |
| 14:38.55 | gnarface | perhaps |
| 14:38.57 | KatolaZ | you will always have users who like a distro and users who don't like it |
| 14:39.13 | KatolaZ | have you seen the negative reviews on Distrowatch? |
| 14:39.27 | KatolaZ | what can you say to somebody that complains because xfce is 4.10 instead of 4.12? |
| 14:39.45 | sixwheeledbeast | lol |
| 14:39.54 | KatolaZ | I think most of these users are not even able to distinguish between xfce 4.10 and xfce 4.12, if they are not told which is which |
| 14:40.08 | KatolaZ | but still |
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| 14:44.53 | sixwheeledbeast | It's not like you couldn't install the newer packages you need individually is it... |
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| 14:45.24 | sixwheeledbeast | will unless they depend on systemd. |
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| 15:06.22 | topro | Now that Debian Stretch got released, will Devuan Ascii keep tracking Stretch, will it switch to next Debian testing branch, or will it eventually go its completely own route? |
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| 15:07.01 | gnarface | ^ case in point |
| 15:08.53 | topro | gnarface: if thats intended to be a reply to my question, I don't get it, sorry |
| 15:09.12 | gnarface | topro: i don't know if it's even been decided yet. i think it's most likely to keep tracking stretch, but not necessarily become the new devuan "stable" until more work is done on it. |
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| 15:09.57 | gnarface | topro: i think there IS some chance that it may have to deviate more from debian than jessie did |
| 15:10.34 | gnarface | topro: it would most likely only be due to systemd-related changes upstream |
| 15:10.40 | topro | I could imagine that considering the Devuan Jessie Release beeing just finished as of now, stretch might get skipped. But if thats not even decided upon yet, we'll see.. |
| 15:11.08 | topro | thought here might have been a decision |
| 15:11.16 | topro | s/here/there/ |
| 15:11.40 | gnarface | the only consensus i've heard so far is that the fresh release of debian precipitates nothing for us but this question over and over again |
| 15:12.07 | gnarface | oh |
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| 15:12.40 | gnarface | and also i've been asked to avoid calling ascii "devuan 9" as it's actually devuan 2 :) |
| 15:13.00 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 15:13.15 | furrywolf | we could switch to firefox versioning, and bump the major number every time we change more than three packages. :P |
| 15:13.57 | parazyd | lel |
| 15:13.59 | gnarface | yes, jump straight from devuan 3.5 to devuan 48, because then it sounds like more work was done :-D |
| 15:14.19 | furrywolf | worked for windows 9... :P |
| 15:15.49 | AntoFox | MATE 1.18 is finished |
| 15:15.52 | AntoFox | My apologies for the delay |
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| 15:16.24 | AntoFox | Time to get home and upload |
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| 15:18.34 | topro | gnarface: thatnks for the update, I'll keep watching out for a more detailed decision about ascii |
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| 16:09.33 | aitor | thank you, AntoFox |
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| 16:16.13 | aitor | fsmithred: i'm getting the same error booting vdev in live mode with newer kernels |
| 16:16.23 | aitor | i'll try again in another moment |
| 16:17.02 | fsmithred | which error? |
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| 16:18.01 | aitor | cdrom_id and udevadm not found |
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| 16:19.24 | fsmithred | oh yeah, that one. |
| 16:19.32 | aitor | it's curious, vdev works with some linux-3.16.x, but not with the newest 3.16 |
| 16:19.57 | fsmithred | did you compare configs? |
| 16:20.08 | aitor | the only file referring to cdrom_id in all the kernel is the patched one |
| 16:20.40 | aitor | i'm using the same config file, i think, but i'm not sure |
| 16:20.57 | aitor | thanks for the hinty |
| 16:21.01 | aitor | hint* |
| 16:21.15 | fsmithred | let me know if you need a stock 3.16 config file to look at |
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| 16:21.33 | aitor | ok |
| 16:21.54 | fsmithred | brb |
| 16:22.26 | aitor | bye :) |
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| 16:25.06 | __stephen | My pinebook arrives today. Anyone have Devuan running on their pinebook? |
| 16:25.37 | parazyd | i haven't built pine64 images yet |
| 16:25.50 | parazyd | but we could try something eventually |
| 16:26.10 | __stephen | I cheated and did a debian install on my pine board and then upgraded to devuan. |
| 16:26.35 | parazyd | :D |
| 16:28.39 | __stephen | Meanwhile, I've upgraded my x200's drive to an SSD. |
| 16:29.08 | __stephen | I used a devuan disk I had lying around to do the mkfs.ext4 and then just copied all the files over. |
| 16:29.45 | __stephen | Upon reboot I was greeted with a message about the version of e2fsck not being able to handle an unsupported feature. |
| 16:30.54 | __stephen | And I manauged to get in, remount the system rw, and install a newer e2fsck from backports, but it was kind of annoying. |
| 16:32.57 | parazyd | yeah you need backported e2fsprogs |
| 16:33.14 | __stephen | Anyone know if the initramfs bundles its own e2fsck? I suppose I need to regenerate that as it still complains during startup just before the real system is up. |
| 16:34.05 | parazyd | i believe it's ran in userspace, not from the initramfs |
| 16:34.12 | __stephen | But at least it doesn't drop me to an "emergency shell" since I manually ran the newer version. |
| 16:34.15 | __stephen | Hm. |
| 16:34.28 | __stephen | That's odd. |
| 16:35.00 | fsmithred | I've got fsck in my initrd |
| 16:35.16 | __stephen | What do I need to dkpg-reconfigure to get the initrd to regenerate? |
| 16:35.29 | fsmithred | nada |
| 16:35.33 | fsmithred | update-initramfs |
| 16:35.44 | fsmithred | not sure how you get the newer e2fsck in there |
| 16:35.59 | fsmithred | um, maybe unpack it, add it manually and repack? |
| 16:36.16 | __stephen | There was some backport e2fsck-static or something... it replaced the system one, so I assume I can just tell it to update again and it should use the newer one. |
| 16:36.30 | __stephen | If not I could manually unpack, add, and repack. |
| 16:36.31 | fsmithred | yes |
| 16:37.51 | fsmithred | sbin/fsck |
| 16:37.51 | fsmithred | sbin/fsck.ext4 |
| 16:37.51 | fsmithred | sbin/e2fsck |
| 16:37.51 | fsmithred | etc/e2fsck.conf |
| 16:38.06 | fsmithred | that's what lsinitramfs shows me |
| 16:38.18 | fsmithred | oh, that's for jessie kernel. |
| 16:38.24 | aitor | __stephen: if you have several kernels, then run:update-initramfs -u -t -k all |
| 16:39.12 | __stephen | Oh, thanks. |
| 16:39.26 | aitor | de nada |
| 16:39.43 | __stephen | I was going to look into building a newer kernel, that'll come in handy. |
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| 17:29.06 | guru | __stephen: how has the pinebook been treating you? the reviews i read said stock os ubuntu w/ mate was slow |
| 17:29.14 | guru | is debian/devuan any better? |
| 17:32.38 | gnarface | oh i was curious about those pinebooks too |
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| 18:19.58 | __stephen | @guru It's being delivered today, haven't been able to play with one yet. |
| 18:20.11 | __stephen | I've played with the Pine64+ board, but not the pinebook. |
| 18:20.49 | guru | ah |
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| 18:33.21 | MinceR | which repo has the firmware-* packages of the desktop livecd? |
| 18:34.01 | MinceR | (if any) |
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| 19:44.45 | calamari | I've been using Raspbian on my pi 3, and to make it boot faster, I compiled a custom busybox and replaced systemd init with busybox. This has worked great for everything, but now I'm trying to get bluetooth going and I hadn't been loading dbus. Am I correct in thinking the precompiled dbus relies on systemd? Can I recompile it to not need it (and would that be enough to get bluez working)? I saw the Devuan RPi beta release, which is |
| 19:44.45 | calamari | very exciting, but I've already invested a lot of time in current project, definitely next time! |
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| 21:08.56 | MinceR | what are the risks of installing packages from outside the repository of the release i'm using? will it break the next dist-upgrade, for example? |
| 21:10.11 | debdog | preferably only do that on anything-can-happen-thursday |
| 21:17.28 | MinceR | sighs |
| 21:19.21 | debdog | there really is no precise answer for that |
| 21:20.31 | debdog | if you just pull in some packages from ascii to stretch, it might just work |
| 21:20.49 | debdog | but you didn't specify |
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| 21:22.13 | MinceR | so far i've installed the firmware-* packages from the desktop live image and i'm considering pulling in a newer kernel image |
| 21:22.17 | MinceR | i'm getting desperate |
| 21:22.22 | MinceR | 19 232213 < MinceR> so far i've installed the firmware-* packages from the desktop live image and i'm considering pulling in a newer kernel image |
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| 21:22.25 | MinceR | 19 232217 < MinceR> i'm getting desperate |
| 21:22.37 | debdog | kernel usually is no problem |
| 21:23.39 | debdog | I am creating my own kernel packages and install them all the time. no worries when dist-upgrade ing |
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| 21:30.06 | golinux | MinceR: Backports? |
| 21:31.11 | golinux | I think there a 4.9 kernel there |
| 21:33.28 | MinceR | i'll try that, thanks |
| 21:47.15 | MinceR | great, now i have a new kernel, but x won't start |
| 21:48.17 | debdog | which GPU/driver? |
| 21:48.30 | debdog | what does xorg.0.log say? |
| 21:51.01 | MinceR | intel |
| 21:51.44 | debdog | hmm, ok, that's odd |
| 21:51.57 | MinceR | it says a lot of things and i don't even know if the network interfaces work with this kernel |
| 21:52.01 | MinceR | they didn't with the old |
| 21:52.19 | MinceR | the weirdest thing is that when i plugged in a usb wifi dongle that worked with debian7, that didn't work either |
| 21:52.36 | MinceR | i should have chosen another career |
| 21:53.08 | debdog | hehe, I am glad I did not chose that path for a career |
| 21:53.18 | golinux | MinceR: Are you on ASCII? |
| 21:53.41 | MinceR | i'm on jessie |
| 21:53.48 | golinux | OK. |
| 21:54.24 | sauron- | lol sounds like you are having sex |
| 21:54.35 | golinux | You only have pkgs installed from the jessie repos? |
| 21:55.05 | MinceR | i also have pkgs extracted from the desktop live iso |
| 21:55.15 | MinceR | as i suspected i need firmware from one of them |
| 21:57.10 | MinceR | well, at least now i have eth0 |
| 21:57.45 | debdog | yay |
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| 22:57.44 | guru | how long will jessie be supported until? |
| 22:58.06 | guru | jessie (debian) i know is april 2020 |
| 23:00.38 | fsmithred | guru, same lifespan |
| 23:00.54 | guru | thanks |
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| 23:01.36 | fsmithred | MinceR, you can get firmware packages from backports, too. Also, if you're using wicd, go into preferences and make sure default wireless interface is wlan0 (or whatever yours is called.) |
| 23:03.49 | guru | lol that's the mistake i made yesterday |
| 23:04.02 | guru | i didn't specify wlan0 in prefs |
| 23:04.04 | Nematocyst | is ascii now the stable branch in parallel with debian, or is that coming along shortly, or not really planned? |
| 23:04.34 | guru | jessie is stable |
| 23:04.46 | Xenguy | Devuan Jessie |
| 23:04.54 | guru | right sorry |
| 23:05.23 | Nematocyst | right, but debian just moved to stretch. so i was curious if devuan was moving stable too |
| 23:05.36 | guru | i'm on ascii now i think it shares the same packages as stretch |
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| 23:06.01 | guru | xenguy would know same with fsmithred |
| 23:06.15 | Xenguy | ascii is Devuan's stretch, but it is not yet stable |
| 23:06.38 | guru | Nematocyst: a good example is i can't install network-manager because it's tied into systemd and that package isn't devuanized yet |
| 23:06.41 | Nematocyst | Xenguy, that's what i figured. thanks |
| 23:06.43 | Xenguy | It ascii is being focussed on now, IIUC |
| 23:06.46 | Xenguy | np |
| 23:07.01 | guru | but wicd is better in my opinion |
| 23:07.09 | guru | i haven't had a single stability issue yet |
| 23:07.15 | guru | all is well |
| 23:07.30 | guru | case usage: laptop for daily work |
| 23:08.14 | guru | Nematocyst: i don't blame you i was running stretch and had no interest in going backwards |
| 23:08.20 | Nematocyst | guru, i agree about it being better. but it LOOKS worse IMO. took me a while to give it a try because it seemed kludgy at first |
| 23:08.33 | Nematocyst | guru (wicd) |
| 23:08.35 | guru | ageed |
| 23:08.51 | guru | after using it for a bit i have no interest in switching back though |
| 23:08.54 | guru | -agreed |
| 23:09.23 | Xenguy | wicd seems to work well for me |
| 23:12.38 | Nematocyst | i always removed network-manager in debian, as it sometimes got in my way. hand editing /etc/network/interfaces worked better. so far in devuan, i've stuck with wicd |
| 23:13.42 | golinux | guru: network manager HAS been devuanized. |
| 23:14.00 | golinux | at least for jessie. |
| 23:14.25 | guru | golinux: that's correct, but we're talking about ascii |
| 23:15.05 | guru | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 23:15.05 | guru | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:15.06 | guru | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 23:15.10 | guru | ie: cancer |
| 23:15.38 | golinux | indeed |
| 23:18.14 | Xenguy | .oO( Like Amazon ... ) |
| 23:19.14 | guru | i really like the devuan typesetting thumbsup |
| 23:19.31 | guru | https://devuan.org/ui/img/devuan-logo-purpy.png |
| 23:19.42 | guru | i'm not really into purple but it looks nice |
| 23:20.09 | Xenguy | That's golinux 's baby, unless I'm mistaken |
| 23:21.55 | Xenguy | Oh that's the logo; I have no idea about that |
| 23:22.14 | Xenguy | I saw the 'purpy' and hence my previous comment |
| 23:22.42 | guru | ah |
| 23:24.15 | Xenguy | I like the logo, whoever made it |
| 23:24.49 | Xenguy | I saw some comments that were unflattering tho, but not everyone is going to like the same thing of course |
| 23:26.03 | golinux | Xenguy: hellekin and I did the logo https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/20 |
| 23:26.31 | Xenguy | Cool, I think it turned out well |
| 23:26.53 | golinux | You can read the entire porcess on that page |
| 23:26.59 | guru | thanks :) |
| 23:27.01 | Xenguy | The gory details! |
| 23:27.01 | golinux | Thanks. |
| 23:27.16 | golinux | Yup. |
| 23:27.29 | guru | the best one was selected for sure |
| 23:27.48 | guru | the inner planets versions are way too crowded |
| 23:28.37 | Xenguy | Ah, so there are orbits involved? |
| 23:29.23 | golinux | Duh . . . yes |
| 23:29.32 | Xenguy | :) |
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| 23:33.16 | guru | https://enjade-project.github.io man everything gets forked |
| 23:33.25 | guru | unity lives on lol |
| 23:33.50 | Xenguy | oh gawd |
| 23:34.53 | guru | https://github.com/yunit-io/yunit an another hah |
| 23:35.02 | guru | geez |
| 23:35.06 | guru | i'll stick with mate |
| 23:35.16 | guru | -and |
| 23:35.32 | Xenguy | I've tried many, but MATE's my mate these days too |
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| 23:36.21 | guru | yeah in case of emergency i'll use xfce |
| 23:36.42 | Xenguy | I like LXDE as well (it may be lighter even) |
| 23:37.39 | guru | good choice |
| 23:38.27 | koris | hmmm okay this has happened to me on two different installations now, does anyone here know why it might be the case that when I go to login with MATE in devuan jessie 1.0, it will sometimes just load one of my panels and that panel will be white and have nothing on it and nothing else will ever load so I just have to reboot? |
| 23:38.35 | Nematocyst | i've been running xfce and very happy as i slowly extricated most of the fluff. but last week, i installed antix on a whim on some ancient machines in the other room, and find myself slowly moving towards the likes of icewm, openbox, and even jwm |
| 23:38.39 | koris | and then in many cases it will just work |
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| 23:38.53 | koris | I tried it with both slim and lightdm and they have the same results with regard to this |
| 23:43.02 | Nematocyst | not sure how much of that is nostalgia versus useability. my current xfce is very win2000 like, except for conky running |
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| 23:52.01 | Xenguy | I like minimal, but over time I got a bit lazier :) |
| 23:52.59 | Xenguy | I liked the first 2 you mentioned, but don't know the 3rd |
| 23:53.17 | Nematocyst | fairly similar to mwm |
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| 23:57.06 | Nematocyst | i hadn't really thought about going backwards again from xfce as I spent a fair bit of time tweaking this one. but on one athlon-xp box i had some space, went to distrowatch looking for something to play with, noticed antix just realeased a new version, was without systemd, and targets old hardware as an option. kinda flew under the radar, but glad i tried it. uses ROX/icewm by default |
