| 00:00.19 | fsmithred | cool |
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| 00:00.36 | fsmithred | Achylles, read what's there |
| 00:00.41 | fsmithred | default |
| 00:00.45 | aitor | see you tomorrow :) |
| 00:00.48 | fsmithred | bye |
| 00:01.00 | aitor | bye :) |
| 00:01.37 | Achylles | and fsmithred only this? |
| 00:01.47 | fsmithred | ? |
| 00:01.59 | fsmithred | what does it say for default wireless interface? |
| 00:02.38 | Achylles | I have to reboot my laptop with the usb live |
| 00:03.00 | fsmithred | oh, you're not on that now? |
| 00:03.09 | Achylles | No. |
| 00:03.20 | fsmithred | check it later. |
| 00:03.31 | Achylles | because I cannot get internet with that... |
| 00:04.11 | Achylles | ok. Go on |
| 00:04.20 | Achylles | check and then... |
| 00:04.30 | fsmithred | make sure it's the right name |
| 00:04.36 | fsmithred | you said it was wlan0 |
| 00:04.45 | Achylles | wlan0? |
| 00:04.48 | fsmithred | then that's what wicd should be looking for |
| 00:04.53 | fsmithred | where did you get wlan0? |
| 00:05.00 | Achylles | I think |
| 00:05.07 | Achylles | cannot remember |
| 00:05.16 | Achylles | ifconfig |
| 00:05.17 | fsmithred | well, check it with iwconfig |
| 00:05.20 | fsmithred | or ifconfig |
| 00:05.26 | Achylles | only shows eth0 |
| 00:05.35 | Achylles | and no wireless extensions |
| 00:05.39 | fsmithred | try iwconfig |
| 00:05.49 | Achylles | same thing |
| 00:05.59 | Achylles | no wireless extensions |
| 00:06.16 | fsmithred | try unloading and reloading the module |
| 00:06.16 | Achylles | thats why I thing the firmware is not uptodate |
| 00:06.35 | fsmithred | when did you download the iso? |
| 00:06.42 | Achylles | yesteday |
| 00:06.49 | fsmithred | ok |
| 00:06.50 | Achylles | yesterday |
| 00:07.07 | Achylles | rather, 3 days ago |
| 00:07.10 | fsmithred | dpkg -l firmware-atheros |
| 00:07.30 | Achylles | I will see |
| 00:07.45 | Achylles | i will reboot with the live usb... |
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| 00:08.02 | fsmithred | first one I uploaded didn't have the newest firmware. I replaced it, maybe the next day. That was more than 3 days ago. |
| 00:08.42 | Achylles | then I can gather the data... |
| 00:09.11 | Achylles | I will go there... |
| 00:09.16 | fsmithred | ok |
| 00:09.27 | fsmithred | I'll be back in a few minutes |
| 00:09.32 | Achylles | ok |
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| 00:32.39 | fsmithred | any luck? |
| 00:32.44 | Achylles | no |
| 00:33.04 | Achylles | iwconfig gave me -> no wireless extensions |
| 00:33.16 | Achylles | rfkill showed me |
| 00:33.32 | Achylles | blocked, but I unblocked the device |
| 00:33.50 | Achylles | wicd -> properties gave me -> wlan0 |
| 00:33.58 | Achylles | I removed the module with |
| 00:34.09 | Achylles | rmmod ath10k_pci |
| 00:34.19 | Achylles | tried to insert again |
| 00:34.29 | Achylles | insmod ath10k_pci |
| 00:34.44 | Achylles | then it said that could not find the module |
| 00:34.48 | Achylles | :( |
| 00:34.55 | fsmithred | maybe modprobe atheros |
| 00:34.59 | fsmithred | I'm not sure |
| 00:35.02 | Achylles | tried many times |
| 00:35.05 | fsmithred | check debian wiki |
| 00:35.07 | fsmithred | also |
| 00:35.13 | fsmithred | dpkg -l firmware-atheros |
| 00:35.47 | fsmithred | make sure it's the newest one (20161130-3) |
| 00:35.55 | fsmithred | if it's not that version, then |
| 00:36.07 | fsmithred | dpkg -i /firmware/firmware-atheros |
| 00:36.11 | fsmithred | oops |
| 00:36.24 | fsmithred | hit tab at the end of that command so you get the whole filename |
| 00:36.51 | fsmithred | it might be in /firmware.bpo or some other ending |
| 00:37.36 | fsmithred | I think I made two firmware folders - one for the backported ones and one for those that aren't in backports (jessie versions only) |
| 00:38.01 | fsmithred | and you still might need to unload and reload it |
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| 00:40.11 | Achylles | thx for the hints... |
| 00:40.51 | Achylles | I really would like that image to work for my wireless hardware... |
| 00:41.38 | Achylles | anyways... tomorrow I will have another go... |
| 00:41.41 | fsmithred | I don't know if it would make a difference, but you could try with modprobe instead of rmmod/insmod |
| 00:41.46 | fsmithred | it's supposed to be smarter |
| 00:43.41 | Achylles | probably, I will try again, then go to sleep. Tomorrow will be back. |
| 00:43.50 | Achylles | bye... |
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| 01:33.00 | matlock | should Devuan be listed as a Debian derivative here https://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census |
| 01:34.50 | MinceR | i doubt they want to admit that devuan exists |
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| 02:07.23 | AlexLikeRock | LOL |
| 02:09.29 | Xenguy | ctcp AlexLikeRock version |
| 02:09.53 | Xenguy | AlexLikeRock: So you didn't like hexchat |
| 02:10.09 | Xenguy | just curious |
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| 02:17.17 | AlexLikeRock | yes, i like Hexchat, |
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| 02:17.28 | AlexLikeRock | looks better than xchat |
| 02:17.51 | AlexLikeRock | looks like more update |
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| 02:28.14 | AlexLikeRock | census date update : |
| 02:28.15 | AlexLikeRock | Derivatives/Census (last modified 2016-02-22 06:58:00) |
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| 02:28.30 | AlexLikeRock | MinceR, |
| 02:28.38 | AlexLikeRock | matlock (away) |
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| 02:51.10 | guru--- | I followed https://wiki.debian.org/wl to install BCM43142 drivers + rebooted and I still cannot scan\connect to wifi networks |
| 02:51.19 | guru--- | worked when I was using debian stretch |
| 02:51.38 | guru--- | I doubt anyone in #debian will help me lol |
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| 03:10.15 | guru1323 | go figure network-manager works |
| 03:10.36 | guru1323 | BCM43142 will not work with wicd |
| 03:10.48 | guru1323 | whatever |
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| 03:46.12 | Xenguy | It's a bit quiet here tonight, but glad to hear you found a solution guru1323 |
| 03:49.02 | golinux | Xenguy: It's been pretty quiet here all week. I have a life again! |
| 03:50.28 | Xenguy | Glad to hear it golinux |
| 03:51.06 | golinux | :) |
| 03:51.08 | Xenguy | I'm resting up this weekend, after a really busy week at work |
| 03:55.18 | guru1323 | thanks |
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| 04:37.05 | AlexLikeRock | to make a DVD (video ) |
| 04:37.15 | AlexLikeRock | any one to remember name of software |
| 04:39.35 | Xenguy | apt-cache search burn |grep -i dvd |
| 04:39.38 | Xenguy | ? |
| 04:40.12 | Xenguy | simpleburn looks interesting, but I never tried it |
| 04:42.09 | AlexLikeRock | i love pet of BSD, but this goin "extreme" |
| 04:42.18 | AlexLikeRock | http://en.linuxreviews.org/HOWTO_Make_a_video_DVD |
| 04:42.40 | AlexLikeRock | the pic up and left |
| 04:44.30 | Xenguy | Cool, Beastie stabs Tux |
| 04:44.45 | Xenguy | With a pitchfork |
| 04:45.15 | Xenguy | This is BSD at its worst of course |
| 04:45.41 | AlexLikeRock | LOL, well , yes ... tink so... -_- |
| 04:46.24 | Xenguy | I have no idea honestly |
| 04:46.39 | Xenguy | They promote linux, but stab Tux, go figure |
| 04:47.47 | golinux | Xfburn works for me |
| 04:48.39 | Xenguy | http://en.linuxreviews.org/Lennart_Poettering |
| 04:48.41 | Xenguy | :P |
| 04:48.41 | AlexLikeRock | golinux, , to render AVI to DVD |
| 04:50.07 | golinux | I use avidemux but the qt version suckos so I'm still using the gtk version from wheezy |
| 04:51.39 | golinux | It will convert to a dvd compatible mpg which you can then use to build an iso with dvdstyler |
| 04:51.41 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 04:51.44 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.46 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:51.48 | AlexLikeRock | tanks |
| 04:52.06 | golinux | np |
| 04:52.14 | AlexLikeRock | instaling... deb-multimedia |
| 04:52.24 | golinux | I been doing it like that for a decade |
| 04:53.07 | AlexLikeRock | yep, afriend ask for a movie, they use only "DVD player " |
| 04:53.08 | AlexLikeRock | lol |
| 04:55.10 | AlexLikeRock | alot dependencies , problen |
| 04:55.19 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:03.00 | golinux | handbrake maybe? |
| 05:04.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | while we're at it: my BCM4356 WLAN chip doesn't work either. Prolly related https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1517726 |
| 05:07.12 | AlexLikeRock | DocScrutinizer05, buy a USB-WIFI |
| 05:07.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | why would I do that? |
| 05:07.45 | AlexLikeRock | its my sugest :) |
| 05:08.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | totally utterly pointless |
| 05:08.40 | guru1323 | i still don't understand why my BCM only works with network-manager and not wicd |
| 05:09.18 | guru1323 | but others reported the same issue |
| 05:09.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did a modprobe bm43 (or the like) and that resulted in some pretty looking logs in dmesg, but still no wlan interface in rfkill or iwconfig |
| 05:12.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh btw: firefox is 45 on live, while the recent securitypatched is 54 |
| 05:12.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | 45 doesn't even know to update itself |
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| 05:16.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | but that huawei tablet is useless anyway with that fsckdup touchpad that has no right mousebutton |
| 05:18.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly running linux in vmware under windows10 is the best I can hope for |
| 05:18.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the windows touchpad and touchscreen etc drivers will emulate stuff for linux |
| 05:21.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, a touchpad that emulates right mousebutton from touchpoint of finger when the single existing switch gets pressed, that's pathetic stingy hw design |
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| 06:02.44 | zyliwax | i touched on this earlier but is devuan seeking to untie pulseaudio-related packages out of debian, or just systemd stuff? |
| 06:03.27 | zyliwax | i've managed to avoid libpulse0 but by missing out on things like gimp and mpd |
| 06:03.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | gimp??? |
| 06:04.46 | zyliwax | yes, gimp currently requires libpulse0 on devuan jessie |
| 06:05.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | friggin mad |
| 06:07.45 | zyliwax | i'm using moc(p) to still have music without libpulse0, but if libpulse0 can't be neatly removed from gimp, might as well just get mpd :P |
| 06:09.39 | zyliwax | oh yeah, i have no way to play videos atm -- all three of mplayer, mpv, and vlc want libpulse0 too |
| 06:10.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | !ddesc libasound2 |
| 06:12.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O |
| 06:18.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if the bot uses repos of a debian version of 2009 |
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| 06:31.00 | gnarface | zyliwax: just fyi if you don't have the pulseaudio daemon installed & running, libpulse0 shouldn't hurt anything. afaik it's not a priority to recompile everything without support for it, but that's what you'd have to do basically. most stuff won't resist but stuff closely tied to GNOME and RedHat's evil agenda may resist. |
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| 06:32.16 | gnarface | zyliwax: *almost* nothing that depends on libpulse actually needs pulseaudio to work, even if it's set up to assume it's presence by default. |
| 06:33.17 | gnarface | zyliwax: (one commonly overlooked stumbling block here is the oft-overlooked /etc/openal/alsoft.conf file; the openal configuration) |
| 06:35.03 | gnarface | zyliwax: and for the projects that have been taking shady bribes to comply (*cough* firefox *cough*) with said evil agenda, there's apulse, a pulseaudio to alsa wrapper, in the lines of aoss (not the first time that firefox has betrayed the community in this way) |
| 06:36.05 | gnarface | zyliwax: i'm wandering away for now, but if you need help reconfiguring stuff to behave without pulse, #alsa has been really helpful to me for that. |
| 06:40.47 | zyliwax | gnarface: thanks for the good information, as it stands my ecosystem is going to move away from firefox anyway because of them dropping xul/xpcom plugins |
| 06:42.06 | zyliwax | gnarface: at this rate i am more comfortable biting the bullet and simply allowing libpulse0 on my system -- or just roll my own .dpkgs and see how that flies |
| 06:51.43 | gnarface | yea i would imagine in a lot of instances, a simple change to the package dependencies alone would suffice |
| 06:51.58 | gnarface | but i've just let it be for now |
| 06:52.05 | gnarface | it hasn't gotten in my way (yet) |
| 06:52.45 | parazyd | gnu_srs1, DocScrutinizer05: amprolla has nothing to do with the /devuan repository, only /merged |
| 06:54.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh? |
| 06:55.35 | parazyd | i think dak+jenkins make the /devuan repo |
| 06:55.49 | parazyd | Centurion_Dan should be able to tell you best |
| 06:57.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla |
| 06:57.24 | infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla |
| 06:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't even know where to look for any *merged/ |
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| 07:00.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, https://packages.devuan.org/merged/dists/ never noticed that exists |
| 07:02.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm I see. deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main -- you must be right |
| 07:03.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | so what *is* https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/ then? |
| 07:03.27 | parazyd | devuan-specific |
| 07:03.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | and why there are no sources? |
| 07:03.46 | parazyd | most of those get merged with debian repositories to provide /merged |
| 07:04.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep, thought as much |
| 07:04.09 | parazyd | i believe there are a few exceptions, like 'experimental' and whatnot |
| 07:04.22 | parazyd | i haven't the slightest idea why sources are missing |
| 07:04.32 | parazyd | but you should be able to find them on git.devuan.org |
| 07:04.43 | parazyd | git.devuan.org/devuan-packages that is |
| 07:05.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/main/source/Sources.gz 27086 looks legit |
| 07:06.38 | parazyd | what's the problem exactly? |
| 07:08.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | even https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ascii/main/source/Sources.gz looks ok, just https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ascii-proposed/main/source/ has empty Sources.gz which seems to be no problem per se for now |
| 07:08.49 | parazyd | are there any binary packages in ascii-proposed? |
| 07:08.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: "the problem": [2017-06-18 Sun 00:00:56] <gnu_srs1> (12:40:04 AM) srs: (12:54:31 PM) gnu_srs: Hello. Can somebody check the file sizes of Sources.{gz,xz} at: https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/{ascii-proposed,experimental}/main/source/ ? |
| 07:09.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-06-18 Sun 00:00:56] <gnu_srs1> (12:41:23 AM) srs: (12:55:53 PM) gnu_srs: If the sizes are 20 and 32 bytes respectively, they are empty. Thanks! |
| 07:09.09 | parazyd | right |
| 07:09.16 | parazyd | those bytes are probably the gzip header |
| 07:09.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep :-) |
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| 07:10.22 | parazyd | this is the cleanest way unfortunately to find packages in ascii-proposed at this state/time |
| 07:10.24 | parazyd | https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages/issues?label_name%5B%5D=ascii-proposed&scope=all&state=all |
| 07:10.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | so I guess it's a non-issue, or is {ascii-proposed,experimental} supposed to have *any* specific sources already? |
| 07:11.14 | parazyd | experimental for sure |
| 07:11.44 | parazyd | ascii-proposed seems to be missing them as well. as you can see in the above git.do url, there should be a few packages in there |
| 07:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm OK, then my suggestion comes in to give apache a rewrite rule for a stopgap fix to that |
| 07:12.03 | guru1323 | so ascii will be stretch essentially or they're going in another direction? |
| 07:13.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'm not sure anybody would want to apt-get install source of a package under development, right? |
| 07:13.22 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: curl http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ascii-proposed/main/binary-armhf/Packages.gz | zcat | grep '^Package: ' |
| 07:13.58 | parazyd | it's these, but indeed their sources are empty |
| 07:14.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd assume you want to use git for that |
| 07:14.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | not apt-get |
| 07:15.33 | parazyd | nah, if you `apt-get source $pkg`, you should be able to get its sources in the current dir |
| 07:15.46 | parazyd | that's expected behaviour |
| 07:15.57 | parazyd | (and it will pull the git repository) |
| 07:17.07 | guru1323 | ah that's good to see the devs idling here |
| 07:17.27 | parazyd | guru1323: ascii will probably be a bit different than stretch |
| 07:17.40 | parazyd | although i guess the same debian philosophy should apply |
| 07:17.51 | guru1323 | works for me you have my trust in terms of desktop os's for now |
| 07:17.57 | guru1323 | i switched over tonight |
| 07:18.05 | parazyd | :) |
| 07:18.30 | guru1323 | switching my production servers is a whole different ballgame but i like what i see so fa |
| 07:18.31 | guru1323 | -far |
| 07:19.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd trust in devuan for servers a year or two before I'd even ponder to try it for desktop |
| 07:19.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | after all server is easypeasy compared to the desktop dependency mess |
| 07:20.09 | guru1323 | i don't feel the same way, i don't know much about the dev team and we have mission critical data on there |
| 07:20.31 | guru1323 | i can easily wipeout a desktop |
| 07:20.55 | parazyd | afaik all our servers run devuan |
| 07:21.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know a bit about the problems immanent in removing systemd, and which impact that has |
| 07:21.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | removing systemd and dbus can only make a server more stable ;-D |
| 07:22.29 | guru1323 | long as the team can keep up with security updates i'm happy |
| 07:22.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | and the number of packages involved is limited, while for desktop it seems there is no end |
| 07:23.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | security updates are original debian, unless a particular update imvolves a package that needed patching to get rid of systemd |
| 07:23.41 | guru1323 | ah |
| 07:24.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least afaik, please anybody correct me when I'm wrong |
| 07:25.36 | parazyd | not only security, but all packages are debian's now unless we have removed systemd or systemd-sysv |
| 07:26.59 | guru1323 | seems like things will grow a bit more complicated as you fork |
| 07:27.07 | parazyd | we have a couple of packages that aren't in devuan though |
| 07:27.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-06-10 Sat 22:39:30] * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how security patches to systemd would get hindered to infest devuan |
| 07:27.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-06-10 Sat 22:40:15] <DocScrutinizer05> well, prolly since you don't have systemd, you don't get any security patches to it either ;-) |
| 07:27.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-06-10 Sat 22:40:35] <jaromil> parazyd is almost done with the third rewrite of amprolla (we are testing it already) and after that we'll have an alert mechanism to detect forked packages that need security updates, so we can apply them timely |
| 07:27.31 | guru1323 | thanks :) |
| 07:27.34 | parazyd | guru1323: it's mostly keeping up with the updates, so time-consuming, but not hard work |
| 07:28.16 | guru1323 | hopefully you have some sound financial backing to keep this thing going |
| 07:28.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | prolly not (yet) |
| 07:29.10 | parazyd | no actual sponsorship from anyone yet |
| 07:29.18 | guru1323 | =[ |
| 07:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | the last few annual financial reports were not like there's funding abundance |
| 07:29.40 | parazyd | but there's a concrete userbase i believe. so something will come up if needed |
| 07:29.49 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: that's right |
| 07:30.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | FSF should support dyne |
| 07:30.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | *ought* |
| 07:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | but seems RMS doesn't see the problem in systemd cabal |
| 07:31.51 | parazyd | neither does torvalds, while they're not trying to push code into the kernel |
| 07:32.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | Linus is pretty numb as long as it's not about his beloved kernel |
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| 07:35.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | ... but RMS... quite strange how he's not going to rage against RH/Poettering raping his GNU userland |
| 07:36.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | about Linus, see: |
| 07:36.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | !poettering |
| 07:36.12 | infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'', or you look here for Linus' notion on what's poettering: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html, or http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01488.html, or see ~systemd cabal |
| 07:36.27 | detha | <hat type=tinfoil>how much does RH pump into the FSF?</hat> |
| 07:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | good question |
| 07:37.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually the entity to scrutinize is freedesktop.org |
| 07:38.38 | detha | parazyd: do the changes to amprolla affect the nginx rewrites on the repository servers? |
| 07:38.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> It was founded by Havoc Pennington from Red Hat in March 2000. The project's servers are hosted by Portland State University, which in turn are sponsored by HP, Intel and Google<< |
| 07:38.59 | parazyd | detha: what changes? |
| 07:39.12 | detha | 3rd rewrite, etc |
| 07:39.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | !wiki freedesktop.org |
| 07:40.17 | parazyd | detha: i renamed DEBIAN-SECURITY to DEBIAN-SEC, but that's that |
| 07:40.21 | parazyd | can easily be reverted |
| 07:40.32 | parazyd | nothing else changed i think |
| 07:40.51 | parazyd | https://git.devuan.org/maemo/amprolla |
| 07:41.30 | detha | parazyd: the reason I am asking is that I have a sort of reverse of those rewrites running here. I have a local debian mirror, but no devuan mirror |
| 07:43.00 | parazyd | dunno. this is the nginx conf: https://git.devuan.org/maemo/amprolla/raw/master/contrib/nginx.conf |
| 07:44.31 | detha | ah. that would need an update here yes, thnks |
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| 07:45.53 | parazyd | detha: keep in mind this version is not in production yet |
| 07:47.30 | detha | parazyd: no problem, adding RewriteRule ^/merged/pool/DEBIAN-SEC/(.*)$ http://localmirror/debian/debian-security/pool/$1 [R,L] to the apache conf shouldn't break anything now, and will take over when it goes into production |
| 07:47.40 | parazyd | indeed |
| 07:49.06 | detha | on that topic, is there any chance of an rsync-able version of the packages in the near future? |
| 08:01.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | if, then only for those forked packages that are actually hosted by devuan |
| 08:04.41 | detha | Even if it was only the metadata I would be happy. With my setup, apt-get update on a debian VM is fast, on a devuan VM one waits. And waits. |
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| 08:06.26 | aitor | moin |
| 08:06.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you should make sure the debian(!) mirrors devuan amprolla redirects your apt to are "replaced" (etc/hosts? whatever) by your local debian mirror |
| 08:07.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | detha: see !amprolla |
| 08:08.02 | detha | They are. But to run devuan, one needs the metadata from devuan. And that I can only redirect to WAN |
| 08:08.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | a local devuan mirror won't help much |
| 08:08.23 | aitor | i used some scripts depending on reprepro for a complete repository in the past |
| 08:08.40 | aitor | the downside: reprepro is not compatible with the git source format |
| 08:09.01 | detha | DocScrutinizer05: on a 2Mb/s connection, it will. |
| 08:09.21 | aitor | often used in devuan, but still not officially aproved in debian |
| 08:09.28 | detha | At night, I have plenty bandwidth. In the day, contention brings it down to 2 - 2.5Mb/s |
| 08:09.53 | aitor | brb |
| 08:10.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | detha: there's only the few forked packages plus the metadata that actually come from devuan servers, but the way amprolla works it will pull all the rest from debian mirrors and not from your local debian mirror |
| 08:12.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh wait, apt-get update is about metadata only, right? |
| 08:14.16 | detha | yup |
| 08:14.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | so why not run apt-get update instead of a rsync in the low-congestion time? |
| 08:14.57 | detha | what I have at the moment is roughly http://paste.debian.net/971951/ |
| 08:15.36 | detha | because the apt-get runs in a newly booted VM, that didn't exist last night yet |
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| 08:25.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmmm. Transparent buffering proxy then, maybe |
| 08:26.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't know if varnish or nginx could do that, or if there's another package for that purpose |
| 08:27.06 | detha | squid helps a bit, except with the first run on a day |
| 08:32.31 | zyliwax | i wonder if plain "apt" has any improvements over "apt-get" |
| 08:33.12 | zyliwax | i'm personally dubious about how it could have an advantage in this specific area but it'd be what i'd try here |
| 08:34.38 | detha | hmm. worth a try, but I suspect it will still need up-to-date metadata |
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| 08:35.41 | zyliwax | fwiw my apt upgrade completes at a very acceptable speed |
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| 08:36.16 | detha | upgrade is not the problem - the first update is |
| 08:36.17 | zyliwax | i have no benchmark against a debian system but ~22 seconds is fine for my purposes |
| 08:36.29 | zyliwax | oh yeah i meant to say update there my bad |
| 08:37.19 | zyliwax | ah just the first update? i was thinking of subsequent updates here -- but you should only need to do the first update once? it's a hurdle sure but not one you have to repeat |
| 08:40.22 | detha | I repeat that one often, as in 'Oh, let me try what happens with routing this way, let me create a linux VM, and two BSD VMs' |
| 08:44.36 | parazyd | rsync mirrors aren't offered by debian? |
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| 08:46.37 | detha | parazyd: rsync debian.mirror.ac.za::debian/ |
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| 08:46.48 | parazyd | so what's causing issues? |
| 08:47.20 | detha | not an issue, more an annoyance |
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| 09:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: download of particularly Packages.gz, if it changed |
| 09:49.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | which aiui is what apt-get update does |
| 09:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | a buffering transparent proxy and a cronjob doing the download (either by apt-get update, or even via wget -O /dev/null) a few minutes after aprolla built those metadata anew, should fix this issue for all local installs and updates |
| 09:52.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | no matter on which local system that apt-get update cronjob runs, as long as it connects to internet via the proxy |
| 09:53.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think subsequent updates are faster since apt-get is smart enough to only download the header and notice the file didn't change from the already downloaded version |
| 09:54.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | just like a proxy would do |
| 09:57.16 | parazyd | why not just run amprolla yourself? |
| 09:57.31 | parazyd | ah forget it, gpg |
| 09:57.57 | parazyd | only if you wish to sign your own mirror, but that will only work for public key holders then |
| 10:01.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway I wonder what takes *that* long, https://packages.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/source/Sources.gz 9044193; https://packages.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz 8920485. Even with as "slow" as 2Mbit, this is a matter of max 90s |
| 10:02.14 | parazyd | i reckon it does gpg verification and checksumming beforehand |
| 10:02.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course rsync would be smaaaart since it's supposed to only transmit deltas. So does git which uses rsync afaik |
| 10:07.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | any checksumming is invariant by internet access bandwidth, so should slow down debian even from local mirror likewise |
| 10:08.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | I strongly recommend the transparent buffering proxy approach |
| 10:08.23 | parazyd | i think you're also not considering all the hops between you and packages.devuan.org |
| 10:08.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | those hops only happen once, on DNS resolving |
| 10:09.12 | parazyd | i thought the problem is only the first time |
| 10:09.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 10:09.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | since >>[2017-06-18 Sun 11:53:47] <DocScrutinizer05> I think subsequent updates are faster since apt-get is smart enough to only download the header and notice the file didn't change from the already downloaded version<< |
| 10:09.57 | parazyd | shrugs |
| 10:10.04 | parazyd | i don't know much about apt's architecture |
| 10:10.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | I know a lot about apt-get update, from maemo HAM ;-D |
| 10:10.30 | parazyd | :) |
| 10:11.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | the terrible time hog in HAM was internal data tree building etc |
| 10:12.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon fixed that by some optimizing in maemo HAM's apt-worker-thread, which did a magic speedup of factor 30 |
| 10:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | !speedyham |
| 10:12.18 | infobot | speedyham is probably 30 times faster than HAM https://github.com/community-ssu/hildon-application-manager, now included in CSSU. |
| 10:14.30 | parazyd | yeah ham had a bunch of accessible metadata |
| 10:14.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | we had fun times in administration when we serviced the repo calls for the weekly HAM update of a 30k devices via a single 100MBit (or less) backbone |
| 10:15.12 | parazyd | never tried speedyham, i usually resort to the terminal |
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| 10:15.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | usually fair enough when you know what you're doing |
| 10:15.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | just never do apt-get (dist-)upgrade |
| 10:16.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | on maemo |
| 10:17.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo system is one huge metapackage, and that doesn't play nice with upgrade, when there are a few packages that are "too new" and possibly broken, etc |
| 10:18.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | the dependencies in maemo never were sufficiently comprehensively defined |
| 10:19.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | autoremove also is a poor idea |
| 10:19.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | for same reason |
| 10:20.43 | parazyd | yeah |
| 10:30.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 10:30.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://termbin.com/bfls |
| 10:30.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | have fun ;-) |
| 10:31.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache show mp-fremantle-generic-pr|nc termbin.com 9999 |
| 10:31.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://termbin.com/699t |
| 10:32.51 | parazyd | lol |
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| 10:35.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/24889448 |
| 10:35.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | should get rid of some of the legacy junk |
| 10:38.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw in a certain sense CSSU (community) is an overlay repo just like devuan |
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| 11:00.41 | enyc | is dewuan ascii ready yet? ;-) |
| 11:03.01 | djph | as an "unstable" release, absolutely |
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| 13:30.05 | justinsm | I noticed that cinnamon will now install on ascii, with no dependency problems. |
| 13:30.57 | fsmithred | with just libsystemd0? Or other components, too? |
| 13:31.30 | justinsm | Just libsystemd0 as far as I know. |
| 13:32.01 | fsmithred | cool. I'm sure some people will be happy to hear that. |
| 13:32.02 | justinsm | I've run it for a few hours, but ran into 2 problems. |
| 13:32.24 | justinsm | Video overlays will crash it |
| 13:32.42 | justinsm | as will the screensaver |
| 13:32.45 | fsmithred | what's a video overlay? |
| 13:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I run into the weird problem of "what to do when you got no right mousbutton" |
| 13:33.10 | fsmithred | sell your mac |
| 13:33.22 | justinsm | E.g. vlc or youtube videos playing. |
| 13:33.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/mac/huawei matebook10/ |
| 13:33.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | with wincrap10 |
| 13:34.01 | fsmithred | no button to hold down to simulate right button? |
| 13:34.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | which one? |
| 13:34.18 | fsmithred | no clue |
| 13:34.38 | fsmithred | probably no manual to read, too. |
| 13:35.18 | fsmithred | justinsm, try starting vlc in terminal and see if it tells you anything |
| 13:35.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol nope |
| 13:35.52 | fsmithred | ask a neighborhood kid. |
| 13:36.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | might patch the damn touchpad driver |
| 13:36.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | to work like the windows driver |
| 13:36.43 | fsmithred | I'm sure they weren't expecting that. |
| 13:37.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | go figure: it has exactly one hw swirch under the touchpad, and when that switch gets engaged, the driver checks if your finger is right or left side of the touchpad |
| 13:39.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | on the bright side: I could patch the driver to emulate 6 mouse buttons this way |
| 13:39.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 13:40.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | but it SUCKS big time |
| 13:40.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | also under windows |
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| 13:41.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure like hell you rather want keyboard keys emulate mousebuttons when pressed as long as touchpad has pen_down while kbd key_down event |
| 13:43.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | when kbd even while touchpad pen_up, the touchpad should get locked for a user defined timespan after each kbd event |
| 13:43.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/even /event / |
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| 13:52.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | also I recommend to not close the "leather" kbd thing like http://wstaw.org/m/2017/06/18/plasma-desktopi22054.png when system is active - I'm surprised that mine survived the cooking |
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| 13:53.43 | Achylles | hi fsmithred |
| 13:54.02 | fsmithred | hi |
| 13:54.17 | Achylles | I finally figured out how to enable my wifi card on devuan-bpo |
| 13:54.24 | fsmithred | what was the issue? |
| 13:54.38 | Achylles | I will paste the steps somewhere... |
| 13:55.07 | fsmithred | maybe post at dev1galaxy.org |
| 13:56.30 | Achylles | The issue is that it does not load automatically... |
| 13:56.46 | Achylles | It is a bit trick to get that working... |
| 13:58.51 | fsmithred | add it to /etc/modules? |
| 13:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | what did you load? which chip? |
| 14:00.05 | fsmithred | bcm43142? |
| 14:00.20 | fsmithred | I think |
| 14:00.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty close to mine |
| 14:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | at least also bcm43* |
| 14:01.02 | fsmithred | broadcom-sta |
| 14:01.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | Achylles: please disclose what module you modprobed |
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| 14:02.35 | Achylles | Wait |
| 14:02.51 | Achylles | trying to register on the devuan forum... |
| 14:04.10 | fsmithred | modprobe -r b44 b43 b43legacy ssb brcmsmac bcma |
| 14:04.20 | fsmithred | modprobe wl |
| 14:04.24 | fsmithred | from debian wiki |
| 14:05.08 | fsmithred | but maybe that doesn't work |
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| 14:09.37 | Achylles | http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2325#p2325 |
| 14:10.08 | fsmithred | oh, I must have been thinking of someone else |
| 14:10.15 | Achylles | Those are the steps I followed with fsmithred help |
| 14:10.59 | fsmithred | you may as well leave out the ifup |
| 14:11.25 | Achylles | I had to ifup |
| 14:11.31 | fsmithred | why? |
| 14:11.48 | Achylles | it said that was not configured |
| 14:11.53 | fsmithred | it shouldn't do anything unless you configured the it in iterfaces |
| 14:11.55 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 14:12.01 | fsmithred | that's what it should say |
| 14:12.03 | golinux | Achylles: Please use the BBCode tags to format your post |
| 14:13.32 | golinux | And welcome to the forum! |
| 14:14.13 | Achylles | :) |
| 14:15.14 | Achylles | fsmithred, but I configured that in the wicd and not in interfaces... |
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| 14:15.47 | fsmithred | ifup won't work with wicd |
| 14:16.04 | Achylles | Although, I wished it could load automatically... |
| 14:16.14 | fsmithred | wicd stores its information somewhere else |
| 14:16.20 | fsmithred | add it to /etc/modules |
| 14:16.31 | fsmithred | or is it /etc/modprobe.conf? |
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| 14:17.01 | fsmithred | modules |
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| 14:18.52 | Achylles | fsmithred, why don't you (devs) add a ncurses network manager called "ceni" to the official Devuan image? That, for me, is one of the best networing tool and it works with resolvconf... |
| 14:19.22 | Achylles | Ceni is a tool from Siduction distro |
| 14:19.27 | fsmithred | I'm pretty sure we won't be adding anything to jessie at this point |
| 14:19.35 | fsmithred | yeah, I've use it |
| 14:19.57 | fsmithred | used |
| 14:20.41 | Achylles | https://manual.siduction.org/inet-ceni |
| 14:21.12 | Achylles | Ok. Understand... |
| 14:21.42 | Achylles | Although it can be installed with inxi - I think... |
| 14:22.15 | fsmithred | connman is in repo. I've heard good things about that. |
| 14:23.50 | fsmithred | and there's setnet, which I think is still in experimenta. Possibly in ascii-proposed. I can't check now - not at home. |
| 14:25.43 | MinceR | looks experimental enough |
| 14:25.46 | MinceR | i couldn't even quit it |
| 14:26.07 | fsmithred | oh yeah, you have to go up a bunch of times to get out |
| 14:26.37 | fsmithred | I keep meaning to mention that to KatolaZ ^^^ Easier way to exit would be nice. |
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| 14:31.59 | Achylles | where is the setnet link? Github???!!! |
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| 14:38.50 | fsmithred | http://kalos.mine.nu/setnet/ |
| 14:39.03 | fsmithred | Achylles, I think it's in the experimental repo |
| 14:42.29 | Achylles | thx. Already reading that info... |
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| 14:45.11 | guru2131232321 | man this is a nightmare i had to use network-manager instead of wicd to connect to wifi |
| 14:45.19 | guru2131232321 | i can only connect to [some] wifi networks |
| 14:45.28 | guru2131232321 | 07:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM43142 802.11b/g/n (rev 01) |
| 14:45.49 | fsmithred | Achylles, https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/s/setnet/setnet_0.3.2%2Bdevuan1.2_all.deb |
| 14:46.37 | fsmithred | guru2131232321, was I talking to you around 12 hours ago? |
| 14:46.41 | Achylles | :) |
| 14:46.45 | guru2131232321 | doubtful |
| 14:46.58 | fsmithred | ok, someone else was struggling with same wireless |
| 14:47.25 | guru2131232321 | i followed the debian instructions to get it working in the first place |
| 14:47.35 | fsmithred | using jessie or backports? |
| 14:47.38 | guru2131232321 | this was a non issue with stretch |
| 14:47.55 | guru2131232321 | jessie |
| 14:48.23 | fsmithred | newer firmware is in backports, but I don't know if the other guy got it to work |
| 14:49.59 | guru2131232321 | https://wiki.debian.org/wl is what i followed |
| 14:50.15 | guru2131232321 | what is the backports repo? |
| 14:51.00 | fsmithred | newer packages backported to jessie |
| 14:51.37 | guru2131232321 | sorry i'll be more specific, what is the repo address so i can add it |
| 14:51.55 | fsmithred | deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 14:52.30 | guru2131232321 | deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main non-free contrib |
| 14:52.30 | guru2131232321 | deb-src http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main non-free contrib |
| 14:52.30 | guru2131232321 | # jessie-security, previously known as 'volatile' |
| 14:52.30 | guru2131232321 | deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main contrib non-free |
| 14:52.30 | guru2131232321 | deb-src http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main contrib non-fr$ # jessie-updates, previously known as 'volatile' deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:52.33 | guru2131232321 | oops sorry |
| 14:52.38 | guru2131232321 | thanks |
| 14:53.47 | guru2131232321 | after adding that to my repo list i got a ton of W: Failed to fetch http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/non-free/binary-i386/Packages Unable to connect to amprolla.devuan.org:http: messages |
| 14:53.53 | guru2131232321 | when doing apt-get update |
| 14:58.48 | fsmithred | thanks, I just noticed I don't have jessie-security on this laptop |
| 15:00.59 | fsmithred | no error here. Maybe try auto.mirror instead of us.mirror |
| 15:02.18 | guru2131232321 | that's odd it worked this time. my wifi and lan connection must be unstable |
| 15:02.27 | guru2131232321 | i did another apt-get update |
| 15:02.35 | fsmithred | ok, that makes sense |
| 15:02.43 | guru2131232321 | apt-get upgrade says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 15:02.55 | fsmithred | adding experimental shouldn't do anything to jessie-security |
| 15:03.10 | guru2131232321 | should i remove broadcom-sta-dkms and reinstall with backports? |
| 15:03.11 | fsmithred | you have to specify that you want something from backports |
| 15:03.23 | fsmithred | I think just... |
| 15:03.37 | fsmithred | apt-get -t jessie-backports install broadcom... |
| 15:03.41 | guru2131232321 | thanks |
| 15:03.50 | fsmithred | just that one package and the others come with it? |
| 15:04.05 | fsmithred | you may need to get backports kernel and headers, too |
| 15:04.17 | guru2131232321 | apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 15:04.38 | guru2131232321 | that should work |
| 15:04.51 | fsmithred | I don't understand what the sed does |
| 15:05.16 | guru2131232321 | same |
| 15:05.40 | fsmithred | apt-cache policy broadcom-sta-dkms |
| 15:06.37 | fsmithred | I'm not seeing it in backports |
| 15:07.06 | fsmithred | sorry, I thought it was there |
| 15:07.42 | fsmithred | and I really don't understand that command. I know it came from the wiki. |
| 15:07.59 | fsmithred | uname -r would be the running version of the kernel |
| 15:08.16 | fsmithred | no point installing the kernel you're running, it's already there |
| 15:08.36 | guru2131232321 | 3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 15:08.44 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 15:09.02 | fsmithred | why do they tell you to install the kernel you already have installed? |
| 15:09.08 | guru2131232321 | what about ascii is that using the stretch packages |
| 15:09.11 | guru2131232321 | i don't mind using testing |
| 15:09.11 | fsmithred | headers I can understand |
| 15:09.24 | fsmithred | yeah, there's a newer version in ascii |
| 15:09.39 | guru2131232321 | alright well im not abandoning devuan but i can't go without wifi i need to get work done |
| 15:09.50 | fsmithred | I don't know if it would work with 3.16, but maybe with bpo 4.9 kernel it would |
| 15:10.17 | guru2131232321 | let me find the image and just start over |
| 15:11.23 | fsmithred | there's a lot that's not ready in testing |
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| 15:12.02 | guru2131232321 | if my wifi works that's good enough for me |
| 15:12.03 | guru2131232321 | lol |
| 15:12.51 | guru2131232321 | it uses the broadcom package from stretch right? |
| 15:12.52 | fsmithred | I would just try the wireless package first, and if that didn't work, maybe try with backports kernel |
| 15:12.57 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 15:13.01 | fsmithred | hang on |
| 15:13.04 | guru2131232321 | then im using ascii testing and riding it out |
| 15:13.30 | fsmithred | 6.30.223.271-5 |
| 15:14.16 | guru2131232321 | oh |
| 15:14.29 | fsmithred | is that same as stretch? |
| 15:14.38 | guru2131232321 | thats the version i have now |
| 15:14.40 | guru2131232321 | ugh let me check |
| 15:14.49 | fsmithred | 248 in jessie |
| 15:14.56 | fsmithred | not 271 |
| 15:15.55 | guru2131232321 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.58 | guru2131232321 | any idea what i should do |
| 15:16.26 | fsmithred | no |
| 15:17.23 | fsmithred | sorry. not a wireless guru here. |
| 15:17.29 | guru2131232321 | np thanks |
| 15:17.58 | fsmithred | but you're helping me find problems in my sources.list |
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| 15:18.12 | fsmithred | I didn't have contrib and non-free in the backports line |
| 15:21.00 | edbarx | I need a tool to help me change the version number of sources i.e. a helper tool to edit debian/changelog. Tool found: debchange. |
| 15:21.42 | gnarface | same as dch? |
| 15:21.45 | gnarface | or different? |
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| 15:30.01 | edbarx | Yes, the same one. |
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| 16:10.40 | aitor | edbarx: git-dch --ignore-branch --auto --full --new-version= |
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| 16:13.51 | jimjamjim | hello.. where can i find the source code of the network-manager? |
| 16:15.14 | furrywolf | apt-get source network-manager |
| 16:15.26 | fsmithred | it's in jessie-proposed |
| 16:15.55 | zdzichu | seriously, github repo is first hit on google for 'network-manager source' |
| 16:16.13 | fsmithred | actually, I'm not sure which one is newer |
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| 16:17.06 | fsmithred | git.devuan.org for the devuan version |
| 16:18.28 | jimjamjim | fsmithred: is this it? https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/network-manager/ |
| 16:19.44 | fsmithred | no, it's probably at the link given on that page. Looks like what's there is 2 years old. It was updated in the last month. |
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| 16:21.19 | jimjamjim | fsmithred: which link? |
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| 16:23.47 | fsmithred | the link you provided, where it says "We moved". |
| 16:23.48 | fsmithred | but |
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| 16:24.02 | fsmithred | Looks like apt-get source network-manager gives the newest one |
| 16:24.08 | fsmithred | date on files is Apr. 28 |
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| 16:24.43 | jimjamjim | fsmithred: but i'm currently on debian :( |
| 16:24.52 | fsmithred | oops |
| 16:25.07 | fsmithred | which source are you looking for? |
| 16:25.37 | jimjamjim | the source without systemd |
| 16:26.13 | fsmithred | the 'we moved' part is old |
| 16:26.25 | guru | fsmithred: man i feel stupid all i had to do was goto preferences and add wlan0 manually to wireless interface |
| 16:26.40 | guru | fsmithred: now wicd is working. it didn't autoconfigure it for some reason |
| 16:26.43 | fsmithred | sorry I didn't say that. |
| 16:26.56 | guru | fsmithred: but that doesnt mean i can connect to any interfaces, but at least i don't have to use network-manager |
| 16:27.10 | guru | let me try now here goes |
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| 16:31.00 | guru | weird |
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| 16:32.08 | fsmithred | jimjamjim, sorry, I don't know where it is. Need to ask Centurion_Dan |
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| 16:32.57 | guru_ | I don't know if it's working all networks now because I switched to wicd or because I upgraded to ascii |
| 16:33.07 | guru_ | -working on |
| 16:33.41 | fsmithred | well, it shouldn't have worked on any if the default wireless interface wasn't set. |
| 16:34.00 | fsmithred | oh right, you were on nm before. |
| 16:34.00 | guru_ | oh i was using network-manager on jessie |
| 16:34.02 | guru_ | yeah |
| 16:34.44 | guru_ | seems like nm is infested with systemd since i was forced to use it on ascii |
| 16:35.03 | guru_ | *forced to use wicd |
| 16:35.21 | fsmithred | yeah, nm in ascii looks like it hasn't been devuanized yet. |
| 16:35.40 | guru_ | i really like the simplicity of wicd this is a great forced change |
| 16:35.51 | guru_ | (forced because nm hasn't been devuanized) |
| 16:36.23 | fsmithred | some like it, some hate it |
| 16:36.35 | fsmithred | it doesn't do vpn |
| 16:36.57 | jimjamjim | guru_: network manager doesn't work?! |
| 16:37.13 | fsmithred | the one in jessie works |
| 16:37.24 | fsmithred | the one in ascii is the same as the one in debian |
| 16:37.59 | guru_ | jimjamjim: on ascii it says network-manager : Depends: libpam-systemd but it is not going to be installed |
| 16:37.59 | guru_ | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 16:38.10 | jimjamjim | fsmithred: ascii is testing right? |
| 16:38.13 | guru_ | yup |
| 16:38.22 | guru_ | i'm a crash dummy :) |
| 16:39.07 | jimjamjim | where can I find the repo for network-manager?! |
| 16:40.09 | guru_ | apt-get install network-manager |
| 16:40.20 | fsmithred | he's on debian |
| 16:40.41 | guru_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:40.42 | guru_ | oh |
| 16:41.15 | guru_ | i feel like a lot of people (such as myself) here are debian users just keeping an eye on things |
| 16:41.46 | jimjamjim | guru_: are using debian? |
| 16:41.51 | jimjamjim | *you |
| 16:41.53 | guru_ | on all my production servers yes |
| 16:42.07 | guru_ | but for my desktops i switched to devuan |
| 16:42.12 | fsmithred | jimjamjim, packages are here: https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/n/network-manager/ |
| 16:43.36 | jimjamjim | fsmithred: I don't think it's the source! |
| 16:43.40 | fsmithred | nope |
| 16:44.09 | guru_ | oh i see he's using systemd-less packages on debian |
| 16:44.26 | fsmithred | add devuan jessie to sources.list, remove debian jessie, apt-get update && apt-get source network manager, then reverse the changes to sources.list and update again |
| 16:44.54 | fsmithred | or wait until Centurion_Dan wakes up. |
| 16:45.27 | jimjamjim | guru_: fsmithred i'm using wcid on debian.. it works just fine! |
| 16:45.53 | fsmithred | yeah, I've never had any trouble with it |
| 16:46.32 | jimjamjim | yeah.. but i can't get it to work with my wireless 4G modem |
| 16:47.12 | jimjamjim | I wrote udev rule to bring the iface up and auto connect! |
| 16:50.39 | jimjamjim | does suspend/restart/shutdown work on xfce? |
| 16:50.51 | fsmithred | yes |
| 16:51.22 | fsmithred | although some report that it does not on their system. |
| 16:51.30 | fsmithred | I haven't been able to figure out what's missing. |
| 16:52.22 | jimjamjim | is xfce the only DE? |
| 16:52.29 | fsmithred | no |
| 16:52.37 | fsmithred | mate and lxde are also in the installer |
| 16:52.37 | gnarface | sometimes certain video and soundcard drivers fail to resume correctly from suspend and/or hibernation |
| 16:52.43 | fsmithred | kde can be added after install |
| 16:52.53 | gnarface | in some cases, you can change a module option to work around the driver issue i think |
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| 18:58.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2325#p2325 >>Bad request. The link you followed is incorrect or outdated.<< MEH! |
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| 19:19.55 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: Where did you get that link? And what was it about? |
| 19:21.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-06-18 Sun 16:02:51] <Achylles> trying to register on the devuan forum... [2017-06-18 Sun 16:09:37] <Achylles> http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2325#p2325 |
| 19:26.05 | _moep_ | hey, I want to contribute a changed initscript. whats the best way to do it? |
| 19:34.54 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: Is have no idea. Ask him. I don't know what the pid (instead of id) refers to) |
| 19:35.07 | golinux | He has posted this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=727 |
| 19:36.02 | golinux | So he did register. |
| 19:36.51 | golinux | It would be nice if he started using code tags. |
| 19:38.08 | gnarface | _moep_: there is a gitlab |
| 19:38.16 | gnarface | _moep_: i think you just sign up and make a pull request |
| 19:44.16 | MinceR | where do i get a debootstrap binary so i can install devuan from a non-devuan live system? |
| 19:53.56 | MinceR | nvm |
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| 20:20.34 | tallship_ | ping |
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| 20:21.22 | tallship | I guess botbot disconnected from chan |
| 20:21.34 | tallship | Don't see it in the list of nicks |
| 20:55.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | however must be here, see https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2017-06-18/?msg=87433341&page=6 |
| 20:56.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | tallship: say hello to [0__0] |
| 20:57.03 | golinux | tallship: [0__0] is botbot |
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| 20:58.54 | tallship | ah.... |
| 20:58.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | /who *botbot* |
| 20:59.28 | tallship | m! DocScrutinizer05 |
| 20:59.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 20:59.50 | tallship | At least I think that's how it works... it's supposed to tell you that you're doing a fine job. |
| 21:00.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) ta |
| 21:00.02 | tallship | Lemme go back and look at those docs again lol |
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| 21:12.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: id=727=t(read?)id. Quoting I get https://dev1galaxy.org/post.php?tid=727&qid=2326, so prolly q(uote?)id=2326. p(ost?)id=2325 is suspiciously close, no? |
| 21:13.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect that's what you bet before you committed your post, I.E. you're still in edit |
| 21:13.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/bet/get/ |
| 21:15.00 | golinux | Actually, it looks like it's a post id within a thread |
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| 21:21.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
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| 21:22.09 | golinux | Probably deleted |
| 21:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | in e.g. maemo forum (talk.m.o) you get showthread?p=4711#4711 and showpost?p=4711#4711 |
| 21:22.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | but also showthread?t=42 |
| 21:23.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess here it's similar |
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| 21:26.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=433821&postcount=2 vs http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=433821#post433821 vs http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37710 |
| 21:26.24 | golinux | Enough already. We get it |
| 21:28.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's basically kust different views of same thing |
| 21:28.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | forum software is all a tad weird |
| 21:30.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: you're right, deleted, 2324 exists and works |
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| 22:34.27 | OxFEEDBACC | high |
| 22:35.20 | golinux | Are you? |
| 22:35.25 | OxFEEDBACC | how comes i get package uidmap listed as unauthenticated in synaptic? v. 1:4.2-3+deb8u4 on de.mirror.devuan.org |
| 22:35.33 | OxFEEDBACC | soon, if it goes on like that :-D |
| 22:35.40 | golinux | LOL! |
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| 22:51.17 | Xenguy | I have been known to operate a PC when I'm high, but I almost always find it a bit frustrating, esp. if I have to stick to a linear state of mind, to solve a problem for example |
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| 22:51.47 | Xenguy | Cos my mind just instinctively wants to hop all over the place, heh |
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| 23:15.57 | Achylles | Xenguy, so get used to i3wm to work in a focused way -> https://i3wm.org/ ;) |
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| 23:57.00 | Xenguy | Achylles: I've actually been lurking in their channel, for if I ever try a tiling WM :) |
| 23:57.39 | Xenguy | Can I run i3 inside MATE, or ... ? |
