| 00:02.12 | gnarface | Xenguy: i think just unload all the snd_* modules and then reload them |
| 00:02.39 | gnarface | Xenguy: is that a laptop? i've been hearing lately in #alsa about overheating problems |
| 00:03.10 | gnarface | Xenguy: apparently there's a bunch of new gear out that's highly prone to overheating and the first thing it does is disable the external speakers |
| 00:03.35 | gnarface | snd_hda_intel stuff, i think |
| 00:04.19 | gnarface | Xenguy: there's a way to disable the mechanism, but you may want to make sure you have acpid and lm-sensors loaded and working |
| 00:05.14 | gnarface | Xenguy: it could just be crashing too though |
| 00:05.16 | zyliwax | unknown___: perhaps you can work out your issue more effectively in #libreboot |
| 00:07.23 | unknown___ | zyliwax, yes, thank you |
| 00:09.16 | Xenguy | gnarface: It doesn't seem to be a heat-related problem, and yes it is a laptop |
| 00:10.01 | gnarface | Xenguy: well it's not *actually* overheating in the cases i mentioned so much as apparently the temperature threshold has been set too low at the manufacturer. |
| 00:11.03 | Xenguy | Well, this is one of those situations where everything has been working fine for ages, and then suddenly audio is crashing |
| 00:11.21 | gnarface | hmmm |
| 00:11.29 | Xenguy | So I'm not inclined to think this is some edge case, but it really is hard to say |
| 00:11.54 | gnarface | maybe it's just that desktop volume control widget that's crashing? does the audio still work if you play something from comand-line, like "speaker-test -c 2 -t wav" ? |
| 00:12.09 | Xenguy | Let me try that |
| 00:13.31 | Xenguy | Heh, that was cool |
| 00:13.47 | Xenguy | The output of the test was audio |
| 00:13.48 | gnarface | so maybe just a vlc problem? |
| 00:14.11 | gnarface | did you recently change vlc versions? |
| 00:14.25 | Xenguy | Well I have a vague memory of this happening while I was using a browser too, but just once |
| 00:14.34 | Xenguy | No vlc version changes, no |
| 00:14.51 | Xenguy | So IIRC, this is not application specific |
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| 00:19.32 | ozmage | cool |
| 00:19.35 | ozmage | thx |
| 00:19.38 | Xenguy | gnarface: one clue is that the audio widget disappeared from the tray area... |
| 00:19.40 | fsmithred | yw |
| 00:19.54 | Xenguy | Not sure how to get it back tho (without rebooting) |
| 00:20.13 | ozmage | Xenguy, mate ? |
| 00:20.19 | Xenguy | ozmage: yep |
| 00:20.33 | ozmage | here |
| 00:20.35 | ozmage | mate-volume-control-applet |
| 00:20.45 | Xenguy | Thanks for that |
| 00:20.55 | ozmage | is happening here too and im on archlinux atm |
| 00:21.04 | ozmage | with mate 1.18 gtk3 |
| 00:21.10 | ozmage | for some reason |
| 00:21.19 | ozmage | its a coincidence :) |
| 00:23.37 | Xenguy | ozmage: The only thing I can find is: mate-applets |
| 00:23.45 | Xenguy | Which is already installed |
| 00:23.57 | Xenguy | Maybe what you mentioned is in that package |
| 00:24.45 | ozmage | no you run it in the terminal or mate-run and the speaker applet comeback to the tray icons |
| 00:24.51 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.53 | ozmage | but if its uninstalled |
| 00:25.01 | ozmage | install mate-applets |
| 00:25.46 | Xenguy | Already installed, but I traced the one you mentioned to this package: mate-media-pulse |
| 00:25.52 | ozmage | ok |
| 00:26.01 | Xenguy | Which looks like it isn't yet installed, let's see |
| 00:26.07 | ozmage | oh |
| 00:26.10 | ozmage | ok |
| 00:26.42 | Xenguy | Oh, it was already installed, hrm |
| 00:27.23 | Xenguy | So do you restart the applet with mate-volume-control-applet |
| 00:27.24 | Xenguy | ? |
| 00:27.32 | Xenguy | Or how do you use it? |
| 00:28.06 | Xenguy | Interesting... |
| 00:28.08 | Xenguy | $ mate-volume-control-applet |
| 00:28.09 | Xenguy | ** (mate-volume-control-applet:19231): WARNING **: Applet is already running, exiting |
| 00:28.26 | Xenguy | Yet it doesn't appear in the usual tray area |
| 00:29.47 | Xenguy | fsmithred: strangely it doesn't show up in that listing |
| 00:29.57 | Xenguy | So weird |
| 00:30.15 | fsmithred | ps ax |grep volume |
| 00:30.27 | fsmithred | maybe you need to kill and restart it |
| 00:30.36 | fsmithred | have you tried logging out and in again? |
| 00:31.02 | Xenguy | Mind if I paste a few lines? |
| 00:31.10 | ozmage | killall -9 mate-volume-control-applet |
| 00:31.19 | ozmage | and then run it again |
| 00:32.09 | Xenguy | ozmage: no output, and doesn't appear in tray area |
| 00:32.34 | Xenguy | $ ps ax |grep volume 2680 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor 2694 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-afc-volume-monitor 2700 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-mtp-volume-monitor 2706 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-goa-volume-monitor 2707 ? Sl 0:01 mate-volume-control-applet 2715 ? Sl 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor |
| 00:32.41 | Xenguy | 19267 pts/10 S+ 0:00 grep volume |
| 00:32.52 | Xenguy | That got mangled |
| 00:33.15 | Xenguy | I'll try logging out and back in then |
| 00:33.20 | ozmage | killall -9 mate-volume-control-applet do this job |
| 00:34.05 | fsmithred | yes |
| 00:38.50 | Xenguy | I already told ozmage that this didn't work: killall -9 mate-volume-control-applet |
| 00:39.09 | Xenguy | fsmithred: logging out and back in reset the audio app |
| 00:45.05 | fsmithred | when you tried to kill it, did you check if the pid had changed? It might restart itself if you kill it. |
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| 00:55.15 | ozmage | hello |
| 00:55.21 | ozmage | again |
| 00:55.27 | ozmage | something is wrong |
| 00:55.35 | ozmage | the installation went ok |
| 00:55.43 | ozmage | and booted fine |
| 00:56.11 | ozmage | but wicd cant find any wireless connection |
| 00:56.27 | gnarface | ozmage: make sure you have wpa-supplicant installed |
| 00:56.29 | ozmage | the wifi drivers are loaded firmware etc |
| 00:57.04 | ozmage | but the os dont even make the wifi led on |
| 00:57.17 | ozmage | like other oses |
| 00:57.28 | ozmage | why is this happening ? |
| 00:57.44 | ozmage | i think wpa_supplicant is installed |
| 00:58.08 | ozmage | i used the last install iso uefi 64 bits |
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| 00:58.17 | Latrina | afternoon |
| 00:58.21 | Latrina | well evening |
| 00:58.27 | ozmage | hello Latrina |
| 00:58.51 | Latrina | hey ozmage, almost ready to slam devuan jessie onto my apu2c4 |
| 00:59.01 | Latrina | sadly in replace of freebsd, at least temporary |
| 00:59.13 | Latrina | but happy to try out the project |
| 00:59.14 | ozmage | no way |
| 00:59.34 | Latrina | I am having some wireless trouble with freebsd 11 as AP |
| 00:59.45 | ozmage | freebsd is always welcome on my hdd's |
| 00:59.48 | Latrina | and I need a linux distro as sort of diagnostic |
| 01:00.01 | ozmage | Latrina, which intel wifi card ? |
| 01:00.15 | Latrina | most of my clients all run fbsd, but mainly fw and storaging |
| 01:00.19 | ozmage | which driver iwm ? |
| 01:00.29 | Latrina | ar9280 |
| 01:00.34 | Latrina | ath9 |
| 01:00.35 | ozmage | oh no ok |
| 01:00.46 | ozmage | maybe 12-current can help you |
| 01:00.48 | Latrina | which is embedded into the kernel anyways |
| 01:00.53 | Latrina | it might |
| 01:00.55 | ozmage | have you tried trueos ? |
| 01:01.07 | Latrina | I dont run BSD as desktop sadly |
| 01:01.14 | ozmage | its 12-current without debug |
| 01:01.30 | ozmage | yes but only for testing |
| 01:01.33 | Latrina | oh yeah |
| 01:01.41 | Latrina | I could give it a go as well |
| 01:01.44 | ozmage | trueos can tell you if the wifi works |
| 01:01.51 | Latrina | thanks for the suggestion |
| 01:02.05 | ozmage | hey now with this thing of mine |
| 01:02.11 | ozmage | no wifi here |
| 01:02.25 | Latrina | oh it does work, but the throughput on n is like 34mbs with laptop besides the router |
| 01:02.44 | Latrina | while this card is supposed to boost up to 400mbs in 802.11n |
| 01:03.21 | Latrina | I know its nominal, but from 400mbs to 34mbs, hell something must be really wrong |
| 01:05.17 | Latrina | if Devuan had Gnome 3 I would totally go into it on my laptop as well |
| 01:05.41 | Latrina | not really happy with Ubuntu 16.04 and systemd |
| 01:06.06 | Latrina | yeah it works, but fuck knows how.. I just can't get to figure systemd at all |
| 01:06.11 | Latrina | I am too lame for it |
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| 01:50.49 | ozmage | hello again |
| 01:51.02 | ozmage | https://paste.pound-python.org/show/wpbQiu0dqjrFbDD8UBQi/ here some useful info for my problem |
| 01:51.11 | ozmage | no wifi yet |
| 01:51.43 | ozmage | its like the os is not waking up the wifi interface |
| 01:52.02 | ozmage | i have a lot of time without use sysv |
| 01:52.08 | ozmage | how i solve this ? |
| 01:52.36 | ozmage | i cant use a os without wifi |
| 01:52.52 | ozmage | the wifi led its not ON |
| 01:52.54 | gnarface | he\y ozmage are you sure you have the firmware installed? which firmware packages did you install? |
| 01:52.59 | ozmage | but modules are loaded |
| 01:53.00 | ozmage | yes |
| 01:53.05 | ozmage | look at the paste |
| 01:53.10 | ozmage | all its there |
| 01:53.21 | ozmage | i mean |
| 01:53.44 | ozmage | i just installed the live cd |
| 01:53.48 | ozmage | all comes in |
| 01:54.00 | gnarface | did wifi work on the livecd? |
| 01:54.04 | ozmage | in the dmesg shows the firmware loaded |
| 01:54.09 | ozmage | dont know |
| 01:54.25 | ozmage | i installed via virtualbox to a usb pen drive |
| 01:54.44 | ozmage | and im booting the install in bare metal from the usb |
| 01:55.09 | ozmage | i mean on the real hardware |
| 01:55.30 | gnarface | can you boot the livecd again to see if wifi works within the live environment? |
| 01:55.50 | gnarface | i admit i don't see anything suspicious immediately in your paste |
| 01:55.56 | gnarface | [ 0.227857] [Firmware Bug]: ACPI: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored |
| 01:56.00 | gnarface | ^ though i wonder about this one |
| 01:57.00 | gnarface | also, if the laptop has an external physical switch that enables/disables the wifi, note that with the linux drivers the "on" position isn't always the same as in windows |
| 01:57.45 | ozmage | yes it have a switch |
| 01:57.48 | ozmage | and its on |
| 01:57.52 | ozmage | im using it now |
| 01:57.58 | ozmage | here |
| 01:58.01 | ozmage | Client: HexChat 2.12.4 ⢠OS: ArchLinux ⢠CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2540M CPU @ 2.60GHz (825MHz) ⢠Memory: Physical: 5.5 GiB Total (3.4 GiB Free) Swap: 7.0 GiB Total (7.0 GiB Free) ⢠Storage: 70.0 GB / 133.9 GB (63.9 GB Free) ⢠VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller ⢠Uptime: 21m 51s |
| 01:58.03 | gnarface | i'm saying try booting with it in both positions |
| 01:58.09 | gnarface | "on" may be now "off" |
| 01:58.10 | ozmage | and this is a lenovo x220 |
| 01:58.17 | ozmage | no its on |
| 01:58.34 | gnarface | i don't think you're hearing what i'm saying |
| 01:58.35 | ozmage | i already do that |
| 01:59.08 | ozmage | i moved it twice on dmesg shows me when i turn it on or off |
| 01:59.17 | ozmage | also look at the rfkill list |
| 01:59.22 | ozmage | in the paste |
| 01:59.27 | ozmage | all its on |
| 01:59.31 | ozmage | or not lock |
| 02:00.05 | ozmage | 0: phy0: Wireless LAN |
| 02:00.06 | ozmage | Soft blocked: no |
| 02:00.06 | ozmage | Hard blocked: no |
| 02:00.40 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:00.57 | fsmithred | ozmage, check prefs in wicd to make sure default wireless interface is in there |
| 02:00.59 | ozmage | dont know what is wrong i also have the same kernel here too in archlinux 3.16.43 |
| 02:01.12 | ozmage | no there is no interface |
| 02:01.25 | ozmage | not in ifconfig or iwconfig |
| 02:01.31 | fsmithred | oh |
| 02:01.44 | ozmage | here in arch its |
| 02:01.46 | ozmage | wlp3s0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 |
| 02:01.47 | gnarface | wlan0 IEEE 802.11abgn ESSID:off/any |
| 02:01.56 | gnarface | wait, i see your wifi interface right here |
| 02:02.09 | gnarface | it's clearly present |
| 02:02.16 | gnarface | line 3 |
| 02:02.20 | ozmage | iwconfig |
| 02:02.20 | ozmage | wlp3s0 IEEE 802.11 ESSID:"WLAN@JIMENEZ" |
| 02:02.39 | ozmage | i dont think so |
| 02:02.44 | gnarface | systemd doesn't name interfaces the same |
| 02:02.52 | ozmage | but ok if you say so let me try that |
| 02:02.57 | ozmage | ok let me reboot |
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| 02:04.09 | fsmithred | I must be looking at the wrong paste. I see wlan0. If it's wlp3s0 he needs to boot with 'net.ifnames=0' |
| 02:04.32 | fsmithred | or change the interface in wicd |
| 02:04.53 | gnarface | currently suspects user error |
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| 02:07.29 | ozmage | jejeje |
| 02:07.33 | ozmage | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.41 | ozmage | :) |
| 02:07.45 | ozmage | like that |
| 02:07.53 | ozmage | yes was wlan0 |
| 02:07.55 | ozmage | thx |
| 02:07.59 | gnarface | no problem |
| 02:08.09 | ozmage | for some reason wicd dont pick it up |
| 02:08.14 | gnarface | probably a bug |
| 02:08.14 | ozmage | strange really |
| 02:08.43 | gnarface | systemd changed the way they name interfaces to be more like BSD |
| 02:09.03 | gnarface | which is unnecessary and annoying primarily, but also caused a lot of regressions to ripple out into related tools |
| 02:09.07 | gnarface | that might be why you're seeing this |
| 02:09.10 | ozmage | also my mistake i had to just figure it oit myself but for some reason i had my eyes closed |
| 02:09.15 | ozmage | yeah |
| 02:09.36 | fsmithred | odd that it would happen with 3.16 kernel |
| 02:09.40 | ozmage | blind by the systemd crap |
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| 02:09.47 | gnarface | i'm thinking the bug may be in wicd |
| 02:09.54 | ozmage | yeah |
| 02:09.57 | ozmage | thanks |
| 02:10.22 | ozmage | now let me move my install to a new dataset on my zfs zroot pool |
| 02:11.41 | ozmage | to get all the zfs stuff what i need to add to my source.list ? |
| 02:11.52 | ozmage | main its already there |
| 02:12.08 | ozmage | so i need non-free or something like that ? |
| 02:12.17 | gnarface | honestly i'm not sure |
| 02:12.43 | gnarface | apt-cache search ^zfs |
| 02:12.44 | gnarface | ? |
| 02:13.40 | ozmage | im looking on synaptic |
| 02:13.42 | gnarface | i thought zfs required a kernel patch on Linux |
| 02:13.52 | ozmage | and some stuff are missing |
| 02:14.08 | ozmage | on debian everything is there |
| 02:14.34 | ozmage | well on testin |
| 02:14.36 | ozmage | well on testing |
| 02:14.42 | gnarface | oh |
| 02:14.46 | ozmage | i just did modprobe zfs |
| 02:14.51 | ozmage | and no luck |
| 02:14.54 | gnarface | well maybe it's just not in jessie, did you look in jessie-backports? |
| 02:15.02 | ozmage | well i have to do this manually |
| 02:15.40 | ozmage | ok |
| 02:15.43 | ozmage | let me see |
| 02:15.48 | gnarface | on unstable i see zfs-fuse and zfsnap in the main repo, but i did believe that zfs is not shipped in the Linux kernel due to license incompatibility with the GPL |
| 02:16.35 | gnarface | there has existed a patch for many years but i'm not sure it has ever been or ever will be "shipped" with any linux distro due to the license issue |
| 02:16.51 | ozmage | nope |
| 02:16.54 | ozmage | nada |
| 02:17.19 | ozmage | ok |
| 02:17.28 | ozmage | on ubuntu its there |
| 02:17.29 | ozmage | well |
| 02:17.56 | gnarface | https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/wiki/Debian < this page says it should already be in jessie-backports "contrib" section |
| 02:18.15 | ozmage | okkkk |
| 02:18.17 | ozmage | yes |
| 02:18.20 | ozmage | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.32 | ozmage | thats what is missing here contrib |
| 02:18.41 | ozmage | i was just adding non-free |
| 02:19.09 | gnarface | lots of non-free stuff depends on contrib too. it's a good idea to enable them together |
| 02:19.29 | ozmage | yeah |
| 02:20.02 | gnarface | i usually then disable them again right away when i'm done with them though; the stuff in there also isn't as well tested as the stuff in main |
| 02:20.25 | ozmage | ok |
| 02:20.45 | ozmage | i feel like home here like wheezy oldstable :) |
| 02:20.58 | gnarface | good, that's the intended effect |
| 02:21.09 | ozmage | let me install mate too |
| 02:21.23 | ozmage | thanks for the good work |
| 02:21.28 | gnarface | didn't do any of it |
| 02:21.58 | gnarface | the ones who did will hear you though |
| 02:22.14 | ozmage | noce |
| 02:22.18 | ozmage | nice* |
| 02:22.32 | ozmage | let them know :) |
| 02:22.41 | ozmage | irc do your job |
| 02:23.00 | ozmage | irc.freenode.org |
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| 02:36.22 | Centurion_Dan | suppport for nvidia is horrid... older cards particularly.... |
| 02:37.00 | ozmage | yes |
| 02:37.41 | ozmage | i have to install debian wheezy to get my old laptop to work with a nvidia 4200 ti |
| 02:38.50 | Xenguy | still supported too |
| 02:39.22 | ozmage | not really |
| 02:39.34 | ozmage | have to use the driver 96.43 |
| 02:39.38 | ozmage | nvidia blob |
| 02:39.58 | gnarface | how does it do with nouveau? have you tried it? |
| 02:39.58 | ozmage | nouveau all i get its garbage on the screen |
| 02:40.01 | gnarface | oh |
| 02:41.26 | ozmage | nope the spl-dkms and zfs-dkms have problems here |
| 02:41.28 | ozmage | are borked |
| 02:41.37 | ozmage | i need to install all by hand |
| 02:41.40 | ozmage | well |
| 02:42.12 | gnarface | make sure you also got them from backports |
| 02:43.24 | ozmage | no them dont work |
| 02:43.33 | ozmage | are from there where are broken |
| 02:44.00 | ozmage | to install all the developer tools here is the same ? |
| 02:44.25 | gnarface | hmm. apt-get build-dep [package name] |
| 02:44.25 | ozmage | like all the stuff to compile apps from source and kernel compilation ? |
| 02:44.30 | gnarface | should be the same yea |
| 02:44.36 | ozmage | ok |
| 02:44.53 | gnarface | apt-get build-dep [package] and apt-get install build-essential |
| 02:45.02 | gnarface | i think |
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| 03:20.14 | Latrina | I am installing debuan jessia via serial yeah |
| 03:21.03 | Latrina | devuan |
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| 03:47.32 | Latrina | installation completed and goodnight as allarm goes off in 7 hours |
| 03:48.10 | matlock | tell us how it went in the morning, good night |
| 03:48.29 | Latrina | night ;) |
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| 04:26.20 | ozmage | hmm |
| 04:26.30 | ozmage | i had to force-all |
| 04:26.37 | ozmage | for zfs stuff here |
| 04:27.58 | ozmage | and this kernel sucks |
| 04:28.12 | ozmage | [ 2168.126816] [drm] GPU HANG: ecode -1:0x00000000, reason: Kicking stuck semaphore on render ring, action: continue |
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| 07:15.40 | bozonius | Running fresh install of Devuan 1.0.0 and have not had any problems, until I tried sound -- it's not working. I took all the defaults during installation; maybe I need to install sound drivers? I am running under Virtualbox 5.1.22 and have sound in my Ubuntu VM, but not here in Devuan. Thanks for any help. |
| 07:17.52 | KatolaZ | bozonius: is sound working outside flash? |
| 07:18.20 | bozonius | I note that in "Settings" there is no icon for sound. No, it does not run the aplay test either, KatolaZ (thanks for responding) |
| 07:19.22 | KatolaZ | just open a mixer |
| 07:19.42 | bozonius | I did that, and I upped the main volume to max. No differnce |
| 07:19.58 | KatolaZ | do you have alsamixer? |
| 07:20.02 | bozonius | yes |
| 07:20.05 | bozonius | I tried that too |
| 07:20.22 | KatolaZ | did you select your card? |
| 07:20.47 | bozonius | There is only one "card" available -- for alsa. |
| 07:20.51 | KatolaZ | with F6 |
| 07:21.00 | bozonius | hold on, let me go back and check again... |
| 07:21.43 | bozonius | sorry, I meant one card only for pulseaudio. I tried the pa -k trick, no help either. |
| 07:23.03 | bozonius | maybe this would help: |
| 07:23.44 | KatolaZ | bozonius: select your card in alsamixer with F6 |
| 07:23.45 | bozonius | I am running the xfce desktop. There is a mixer with that, and that was the other mixer I tried. It has only one selection and that is for the emulated AC97 intel sound, but it is for alsa |
| 07:23.51 | bozonius | ok |
| 07:24.04 | KatolaZ | then you will see all the sliders |
| 07:24.16 | KatolaZ | maybe the master is muted there |
| 07:24.46 | bozonius | F6 does nothing; F1 shows the options, and F6 is not listed |
| 07:25.25 | bozonius | (we are talking about alsamixer now, right?) |
| 07:25.49 | KatolaZ | are you in alsamixer? |
| 07:25.52 | bozonius | yes |
| 07:26.04 | KatolaZ | then F6 shows all the cards |
| 07:26.08 | bozonius | but F6 does not do anything |
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| 07:26.21 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 07:26.23 | bozonius | and help (F1) does not even show F6... but I'll double check |
| 07:27.02 | parazyd | bozonius: don't you need to install some virtualbox kernel modules/guest additions in the guest machine to get stuff like acceleration and sound working? |
| 07:27.11 | KatolaZ | alternatively, you can use 'S' |
| 07:27.29 | KatolaZ | oh is that a VM? |
| 07:27.58 | parazyd | " I am running under Virtualbox 5.1.22 and have sound in my Ubuntu VM, but not here in Devuan." |
| 07:28.46 | KatolaZ | ... |
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| 07:30.47 | bozonius | 'S' does not work either |
| 07:31.00 | bozonius | trying to get a screenshot for you... |
| 07:37.31 | bozonius | http://ctrlv.in/966041 |
| 07:38.05 | bozonius | see, the help doesn't even list F6 |
| 07:39.07 | gnarface | you also need to be in the audio group |
| 07:39.33 | gnarface | but make sure the ubuntu vm also has pulseaudio |
| 07:39.54 | gnarface | just statistically it's usually pulseaudio breaking expected behavior |
| 07:41.06 | bozonius | http://ctrlv.in/966042 |
| 07:41.08 | gnarface | however i think the earlier suggestion about VirtualBox specific drivers should be double-checked. i don't know about virtualbox, but i know that VMware needs them. maybe the ubuntu includes them automatically. that could also explain this mystery. |
| 07:41.21 | bozonius | the user IS in the audio group |
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| 07:42.14 | bozonius | if you are talking about the guest additions, I had not yet installed them. I am able to mount a file system from the host, however. |
| 07:42.21 | KatolaZ | bozonius: do you have virtualbox modules for sound? |
| 07:42.52 | bozonius | I'm not sure |
| 07:43.04 | edbarx | Project "battpooch" is set to "public" but files are not displayed for everyone except me, the uploader, why? |
| 07:43.08 | bozonius | what are their names -- are they vbox???? like that? |
| 07:45.00 | bozonius | I have vboxsf and vboxguest (lsmod shows these) |
| 07:48.02 | bozonius | maybe this could shed light on my sound issue? Grepping the messages log, I see: |
| 07:48.52 | bozonius | Jun 7 00:08:31 devuan pulseaudio[4445]: [pulseaudio] alsa-util.c: Disabling timer-based scheduling because running inside a VM. |
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| 07:49.58 | bozonius | KatolaZ: I know of no sound modules for VirtualBox |
| 07:50.14 | bozonius | I'll try installing the guest additions; perhaps that will help |
| 07:51.38 | bozonius | nutz. When I try to insert the guest additions CD, I get an error. Says that the media is locked |
| 07:53.01 | bozonius | gnarface: Not ignoring you, was just trying to catch up with Katola's suggestions. |
| 07:53.11 | bozonius | I'll look for sound drivers in my Ubuntu... |
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| 07:54.40 | bozonius | nope. Just vboxsf and vboxguest, just like Devuan |
| 07:55.53 | bozonius | and sound DOES work there... I just tried it. |
| 08:05.22 | bozonius | Rebooting with the guest additions already mounted. |
| 08:08.15 | bozonius | So now at least I can build the GAs. |
| 08:08.26 | bozonius | I had a problem adding my user to the vboxsf group: |
| 08:08.35 | bozonius | moduser -a vboxsf username |
| 08:08.43 | bozonius | that failed. |
| 08:09.36 | bozonius | anyway, I'll try rebuilding the additions and reboot and see if it makes any difference. |
| 08:11.19 | bozonius | ok, it's usermod -a -G vboxsf username (forgot the -G) |
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| 08:15.58 | bozonius | as I expected, GA's made no difference for sound. |
| 08:18.36 | bozonius | Katolaz, gnarface: Still no luck, even with guest additions installed in VM. |
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| 09:02.25 | gnarface | bozonius: just as a sanity check, is it possible for you to test alsa on the devuan live iso? |
| 09:06.14 | bozonius | um. |
| 09:06.21 | bozonius | gnarface, you will probably hate me. |
| 09:06.31 | bozonius | I forgot to move the sound control up for the desktop |
| 09:06.35 | bozonius | that's all it was. |
| 09:06.39 | gnarface | hah |
| 09:06.40 | bozonius | Devuan is perfect. |
| 09:06.46 | bozonius | yeah. Hah is right. |
| 09:06.53 | bozonius | slaps himself |
| 09:06.57 | gnarface | eh, no worries. happens to the best of us |
| 09:07.02 | drmeowschwitz | ( ͡° ÍÊ Í¡Â°) |
| 09:07.20 | bozonius | Devuan looks to be the next big thing. |
| 09:07.26 | bozonius | very polished and fast |
| 09:07.55 | gnarface | all we did is un-break debian. |
| 09:08.08 | bozonius | only took, what... 2 years? |
| 09:08.14 | gnarface | hard not to look good when you follow such a faceplant |
| 09:08.31 | gnarface | well, to be fair it only really took a couple months before it was completely usable for most of us |
| 09:08.33 | bozonius | I can't believe all of that... eh |
| 09:08.35 | bozonius | never mind. |
| 09:09.00 | bozonius | I suppose this is a safe anti-sys???d zone though. |
| 09:09.22 | gnarface | the real thing is, the people steering this project had set specific goals for the 1.0 release, and they decided to stick to them regardless of peer pressure |
| 09:09.29 | gnarface | the last mile was definitely the slowest |
| 09:09.33 | gnarface | so to speak |
| 09:09.47 | bozonius | That is absolutely beautiful in my mind. Exactly how it SHOULD be done. |
| 09:10.07 | bozonius | and that long trudge through that last mile really paid off. |
| 09:10.47 | bozonius | The funniest part though is that the speed of the boot and shutdown was comparable to Debian, per the review on distrowatch. |
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| 09:11.24 | bozonius | so all the noise they made, all the apologia, nasty and rude emails leaked out... |
| 09:11.26 | bozonius | for what |
| 09:11.33 | Artemis3 | Can't wait until it gets better alternative init support, ie. openrc xD |
| 09:11.43 | bozonius | S6 !!! |
| 09:11.55 | gnarface | hehe, yea it always bugged me that "concurrent boot" or "multi-threaded boot" or "dependency-based boot" or whatever you want to call it, the primary end-user excuse for justifying systemd, was *already a feature* of the old sysvinit. they really did a good job of sweeping that inconvenient truth right under the rug.... |
| 09:11.58 | bozonius | even runit |
| 09:12.13 | bozonius | LOL |
| 09:12.32 | gnarface | we have a discussion channel at #debianfork |
| 09:12.43 | gnarface | it's a bit safer to editorialize in there |
| 09:12.44 | bozonius | yeah |
| 09:12.48 | drmeowschwitz | tbh it still confuses me how after half a century of unix and particularly sendmail, the realisation that a single monolithic blob at the center of everything hasn't dawned on everyone et |
| 09:13.19 | drmeowschwitz | *isn't a good idea |
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| 09:14.05 | gnarface | drmeowschwitz: well, it dawned on SOME people. but if you think devuan took a long time to finish, ... boy wait until you see how slow HURD moves |
| 09:14.10 | bozonius | gnarface: I am over on debianfork now... |
| 09:16.39 | drmeowschwitz | HURD is still being developed? |
| 09:16.53 | drmeowschwitz | I dont remember when was the last time I even heard of it |
| 09:18.27 | gnarface | https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html page footer says it was last updated in december |
| 09:19.03 | gnarface | i just think there's not many people excited about it because the chances of Nvidia ever supporting it is probably about 0% |
| 09:19.32 | gnarface | i'm not even sure direct rendering is in fact possible with the HURD security model, but i don't know much about it |
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| 09:43.01 | drmeowschwitz | shrugs |
| 09:43.19 | drmeowschwitz | if there's one thing I don't care about in any of my production and development, it's GPU |
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| 09:43.43 | gnarface | it's probably worth mentioning (tangentially related at least) you can also run a BSD kernel in debian/devuan too now |
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| 09:44.03 | gnarface | so there are options |
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| 11:14.59 | psychi[m] | drmeowschwitz (IRC): it is active |
| 11:20.02 | gnarface | have you tried it, psychi[m]? |
| 11:20.25 | gnarface | (on devuan, i mean) |
| 11:24.48 | gnarface | i'm just curious how difficult it is to get working |
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| 11:30.13 | psychi[m] | gnarface (IRC): I 've tried GuixSD before...tried Debian/Hurd but not a success ^_^ |
| 11:30.50 | gnarface | oh. so not easy yet. i figured |
| 11:37.39 | gnu_srs | Debian GNU/Hurd is available. However support for Hurd with GuixSD is experimental, and not Shepherd supported yet. |
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| 15:27.45 | aitor | edbarx: i can't find any activity there... https://git.devuan.org/edbarx/battpooch/activity |
| 15:30.27 | aitor | is it public, are you sure |
| 15:32.51 | aitor | git clone asks me for the name and the password and gives me a: |
| 15:32.54 | fsmithred | I believe he set it up wrong. I've done the same thing. |
| 15:32.59 | aitor | remote: access denied |
| 15:33.11 | fsmithred | set it up as wiki instead of repo |
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| 15:42.37 | aitor | i saw one commit by DPA in simple-netaid-gtk: |
| 15:42.38 | aitor | https://git.devuan.org/DPA/simple-netaid-gtk/commit/d5d995f7b0f7a4fff3fd982060a960f75e43d9b5 |
| 15:43.30 | __stephen | anyone running devuan on an x200? with or without libreboot? |
| 15:47.31 | aitor | thinkpad? |
| 15:47.37 | __stephen | yeah |
| 15:48.33 | aitor | i have one lenovo and another IBM (similar), but they are too old and i've not any charger for them |
| 15:49.54 | __stephen | The lenovo/thinkpad x200s are pretty cheap on ebay, so I was thinking of getting one to play with. |
| 15:50.04 | zyliwax | i have a librebooted x200 |
| 15:50.18 | zyliwax | i'm very happy with it |
| 15:50.32 | __stephen | Do you get direct rendering out of intel's graphics under X? |
| 15:50.51 | __stephen | It's not a big deal, just a point of curiosity. |
| 15:51.18 | zyliwax | lol i actually have no clue |
| 15:51.25 | zyliwax | i wouldn't know how to verify that anyway |
| 15:51.28 | __stephen | glxinfo | grep -i rend or something |
| 15:52.07 | zyliwax | do note it runs gentoo not devuan so my answer might not be portable -- i did do some setup for intel graphics on it though --- checking now |
| 15:52.40 | zyliwax | glxinfo: command not found |
| 15:52.40 | zyliwax | :( |
| 15:53.02 | zyliwax | ah i need mesa-progs package |
| 15:53.04 | __stephen | It's in some mesa package, not sure what one on gentoo. |
| 15:53.15 | __stephen | Been about a decade since I've used gentoo. |
| 15:53.56 | zyliwax | compiling now |
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| 15:55.38 | __stephen | Not sure if all x200s have a touchscreen, but if yours does, does it work under linux? |
| 15:56.16 | zyliwax | direct rendering: Yes |
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| 15:57.13 | zyliwax | __stephen: i have a separate x200t that requires a bit more work to get running with libreboot (read: soldering -- i didn't do it myself), and the tablet works fine -- i'm actually considering devuan for that device |
| 15:57.42 | __stephen | I was going to ask if there was any technical reason why you didn't put devuan on it. |
| 15:58.17 | zyliwax | i had it running void at first in hopes of creating a linux-libre package for that platform |
| 15:58.38 | zyliwax | it actually does have an earlier devuan installed on it but i'm think i'll just blow it away |
| 15:58.58 | zyliwax | main consideration for me is that devuan uses an older kernel and i'm one of those btrfs-loving nuts |
| 15:59.11 | zyliwax | old kernel + btrfs = bye bye data |
| 15:59.25 | zyliwax | so i will likely have to compromise or use ascii |
| 15:59.55 | zyliwax | also, i would like a linux-libre kernel, which i heard on the grapevine is now in devuan? |
| 16:00.15 | aitor | zyliwax: are you referring to Void Linux? |
| 16:02.19 | zyliwax | aitor: indeed |
| 16:02.32 | aitor | ok |
| 16:04.38 | aitor | it uses a different apckaging system |
| 16:04.45 | aitor | *packaging |
| 16:05.32 | zyliwax | yeah, the xbps packaging system |
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| 16:05.50 | aitor | and Runit, isn't it? |
| 16:05.54 | zyliwax | a lot of the linux-libre kernels don't have sources from fsfla anymore, just the deblob scripts |
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| 16:06.19 | zyliwax | so i'd need to find a way to apply the scripts to those sources |
| 16:06.24 | matlock | zyliwax there is a devuan-based sitro with a linux-libre kernel |
| 16:06.28 | zyliwax | aitor: yes it uses runit |
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| 16:11.02 | aitor | zyliwax: parazyd had built linux-heads applying those scripts |
| 16:14.55 | aitor | need to go, see you :) |
| 16:15.50 | aitor | DPA: i'll change the CMAKE_CXX_FLAGS in simple-netaid-gtk, thanks |
| 16:16.05 | DPA | ok |
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| 16:17.29 | zyliwax | another option i have for linux-libre kernels is jxself's repo |
| 16:22.48 | Latr_work | net install via serial console and the APU2C4 went smoothly |
| 16:23.05 | Latr_work | hopefully my wlan cards will behave properly as AP |
| 16:23.15 | Latr_work | otherwise I will return all of it |
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| 20:08.12 | ozmage | hello |
| 20:08.12 | ozmage | http://imgur.com/a/o3YPG |
| 20:08.12 | ozmage | why the battery icon look like that |
| 20:08.12 | ozmage | ? |
| 20:08.12 | ozmage | a big warning icon |
| 20:08.20 | ozmage | on archlinux and ubuntu mate looks ok so its not the battery which is not working fine |
| 20:08.52 | ozmage | whats wrong here ? |
| 20:08.52 | ozmage | how i fix that ? |
| 20:09.21 | ozmage | all the versions of mate i had are like that i erased all the files on my user hone to recreate them again |
| 20:09.26 | ozmage | and its the sane |
| 20:09.32 | ozmage | for the root user too |
| 20:09.38 | zyliwax | ozmage: perhaps try running acpi -V in a terminal to see if it's uncovering any problems |
| 20:09.41 | ozmage | what is going on ? |
| 20:09.52 | ozmage | someone have this problem too ? |
| 20:10.24 | ozmage | i dont have acpi command |
| 20:10.59 | zyliwax | hrm i wonder if that is actually the problem, i.e. it's looking for acpi command in background and failing |
| 20:11.14 | ozmage | im installing it |
| 20:11.57 | ozmage | no is not that |
| 20:12.07 | ozmage | and i had no errors on acpi -V |
| 20:13.34 | zyliwax | does it provide an error on hovering over it? |
| 20:13.37 | greenjeans | ozmage: It's broken |
| 20:13.52 | ozmage | what is broken > |
| 20:14.06 | ozmage | no error at all |
| 20:14.18 | ozmage | what is broken greenjeans ? |
| 20:14.29 | ozmage | the mate-desktop ? |
| 20:14.52 | greenjeans | The mate power manager |
| 20:14.54 | ozmage | my battery looks ok even on freebsd with mate desktop |
| 20:14.58 | ozmage | hmm |
| 20:14.59 | ozmage | ok |
| 20:15.11 | ozmage | but was broken on version 1.8 |
| 20:15.12 | greenjeans | it's not using the proper icons, not polling for actual power figures |
| 20:15.14 | ozmage | gtk2 |
| 20:15.26 | ozmage | and on this new mate 1.18 gtk3 |
| 20:15.28 | ozmage | too |
| 20:15.47 | greenjeans | I though they had fixed it in the newer mate version |
| 20:15.50 | ozmage | not good |
| 20:16.10 | greenjeans | 1.8.1 is what's in devuan jessie |
| 20:16.20 | ozmage | hmm and i ahve adwaita icon theme |
| 20:16.38 | ozmage | yes but i have mate 1.18 now |
| 20:16.41 | ozmage | gtk3 |
| 20:16.53 | greenjeans | I think maybe there's some systemd incompatibility, it worked in Debian with mate 1.8 |
| 20:17.01 | ozmage | still the same |
| 20:17.18 | ozmage | does someone uses mate 1.8.1 ? |
| 20:17.23 | greenjeans | i do |
| 20:17.32 | greenjeans | it's the stable version in jessie |
| 20:17.35 | ozmage | and looks like that too ? |
| 20:17.38 | greenjeans | yep |
| 20:17.41 | ozmage | oh ok |
| 20:17.46 | ozmage | good to know |
| 20:18.08 | ozmage | well i installed slackware before and was working pretty nice |
| 20:18.20 | ozmage | with mate 1.18 gtk3 |
| 20:18.21 | greenjeans | mate power manager is pretty sad all around, it doesn't support suspend and hibernate commands anymore either |
| 20:18.23 | ozmage | using sysv |
| 20:18.45 | ozmage | on gentoo with openrc it does |
| 20:18.54 | greenjeans | I replaced it with xfce power manager, works better, suspend and hibernate supported etc. |
| 20:18.54 | ozmage | but i dont want to compile anymore |
| 20:19.09 | ozmage | i have a perfect gentoo installation |
| 20:19.19 | ozmage | but i do not want compile anymore |
| 20:19.28 | ozmage | my laptop get too hot |
| 20:19.53 | ozmage | ok |
| 20:20.12 | ozmage | let me remove it then |
| 20:20.21 | ozmage | or compile myself |
| 20:20.31 | ozmage | no better remove |
| 20:21.19 | _moep_ | hey I used a setting from debian (unattended upgrades) but I get a warning |
| 20:21.24 | zyliwax | i just do it raw on my gentoo rigs by echoing mem or disk > /sys/power/state or using the suspend utils s2disk, s2ram, s2both |
| 20:21.45 | zyliwax | i have no reason to believe this wouldn't work across all sorts of linuxen |
| 20:23.21 | ozmage | on gentoo works |
| 20:23.27 | ozmage | with no problem |
| 20:23.40 | furrywolf | we have pm-suspend and pm-hibernate... |
| 20:23.49 | ozmage | but like i say i dont want to compile anymore |
| 20:23.58 | zyliwax | ozmage: fair enough |
| 20:24.05 | zyliwax | furrywolf: i thought those were deprecated? |
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| 20:26.52 | ozmage | looks like i dont have suspend or hibernate on the shutdown dialog on mate |
| 20:26.54 | ozmage | hmm |
| 20:26.58 | ozmage | well |
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| 20:28.43 | furrywolf | zyliwax: they're what I use. no idea if they're deprecated or not. lol |
| 20:29.35 | ozmage | debian still have freetype old as hell |
| 20:29.39 | ozmage | hmm |
| 20:30.38 | ozmage | ubuntu too |
| 20:30.38 | zyliwax | furrywolf: i looked at the code some time ago, iirc at least on gentoo they appear to be wrappers for the equivalent s2* commands |
| 20:30.45 | ozmage | we are at 2.8 |
| 20:30.55 | ozmage | which looks nice as hell |
| 20:30.59 | ozmage | lol |
| 20:31.05 | ozmage | too many hells |
| 20:32.23 | ozmage | fedora too |
| 20:32.41 | ozmage | well i think im going to install arch with openrc |
| 20:32.49 | ozmage | ok bye |
| 20:33.39 | greenjeans | no, no suspend or hibernate dialog in mate. What I do is install Obsession, then bind keys to obsession-exit commands, works nice, very quick, and no need to get into menu anymore for shutdown |
| 20:35.49 | greenjeans | anybody know a hack to get pcmanfm show size under the icons in icon-view? Mate/Caja can do this natively, but it's the only thing I can't seem to duplicate in openbox/pcmanfm |
| 20:36.35 | greenjeans | that and adding a right click context entry to open the current folder in terminal |
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| 20:40.30 | AlexLikeRock | GNU |
| 20:41.03 | matlock | and GNU to you |
| 20:41.38 | AlexLikeRock | :) |
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| 21:58.18 | aitor | zyliwax: jxself seems to be an user of trisquel |
| 21:58.20 | aitor | https://trisquel.info/en/users/jxself |
| 21:58.57 | aitor | and a "Freedom Verifier" for GNU+Linux distributions that seek FSF endorsement on gnu.org/distros |
| 22:01.51 | aitor | here is his website, including the repo for linux-libre: |
| 22:01.53 | aitor | https://jxself.org/ |
| 22:05.26 | zyliwax | aitor: thanks for the information |
| 22:05.46 | zyliwax | we've talked before, i've run his kernels on a previous devuan install and they're delicious |
| 22:05.50 | aitor | not at all |
| 22:10.17 | aitor | see you tomorrow zyliwax, my eyes are closing |
| 22:11.04 | zyliwax | aitor: good night! |
| 22:11.10 | aitor | bye :) |
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| 22:13.40 | Latr_work | I think I'll go gentoo on my laptop |
| 22:13.51 | Latr_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.39 | Latr_work | if devuan will one day have a gnome 3 systemdfree it'll be my first and only choice |
| 22:15.41 | furrywolf | but can you use gnome 3 without the uselessness of gnome 3? |
| 22:22.27 | Latr_work | so your trying to say gnome 3 itself is useless? |
| 22:23.00 | Latr_work | if thats the case, my guess is you have never spent 20 sane minutes with it |
| 22:23.20 | Latr_work | because with 20 sane minutes you can get a pretty sane desktop environment out of it |
| 22:23.34 | Latr_work | note the word sane! |
| 22:23.44 | unixman | <3 Xfce4 |
| 22:23.57 | furrywolf | gnome3 gets in my way. I have used systems with it. This has been fixed. |
| 22:25.13 | Latr_work | well it doesn't get in my way and in the way of many |
| 22:25.19 | Latr_work | systemd does |
| 22:25.32 | furrywolf | channel poll: who other than Latr_work likes gnome3? :P |
| 22:25.49 | Latr_work | do you think I give a shit? |
| 22:25.51 | unixman | furrywolf, we all know you are a KDE guy. ;) :D |
| 22:25.57 | zyliwax | seems it might be a special type of hell continually decoupling gnome3 from systemd |
| 22:26.05 | furrywolf | that might be wrong for multiple reasons. :P |
| 22:26.46 | zyliwax | i'm all for individual DE selection and can hope it will last |
| 22:26.52 | zyliwax | (but it won't affect me kek) |
| 22:27.35 | furrywolf | you can't. |
| 22:27.37 | furrywolf | grr, wrong window |
| 22:27.56 | Latr_work | I tend to respect whatever somebody might like or dislike |
| 22:28.11 | Latr_work | but I guess this is not a common tendency in everybody |
| 22:28.50 | furrywolf | gnome is so anti-freedom that even if the software was better, it'd still be hard to like them. |
| 22:31.22 | zyliwax | Latr_work: yeah you expressed my sentiment better than me |
| 22:32.13 | Latr_work | I like new modern UI on hw that can support it |
| 22:32.34 | zyliwax | i'm a utilitarian myself |
| 22:32.39 | unixman | So, OS X it is then. :) |
| 22:32.44 | zyliwax | got my lovingly hand crafted i3 config |
| 22:32.56 | furrywolf | icewm! :P |
| 22:33.04 | Latr_work | My T60 which is uses as OpenSSH terminal with OpenBSD 6.1 -STABLE I run twm |
| 22:33.16 | zyliwax | compton is my "eye candy" but really it is functional for my workflow |
| 22:33.17 | Latr_work | and nothing else apart from openssh and tcpdump |
| 22:33.30 | zyliwax | i dim the inactive windows so i know where my input will land |
| 22:33.36 | unixman | Anyone have a Devuan question? :P |
| 22:33.45 | Latr_work | unixman: I used to have Macs for 8 years but things have changed lately |
| 22:33.49 | Latr_work | very badly |
| 22:34.14 | Latr_work | so I decided to ditch apple for good, that was 2 years ago though |
| 22:34.32 | Latr_work | yeah off topic, my bad |
| 22:34.39 | unixman | Latr_work, I just received a 15" donglebook at work last month. Still using my FreeBSD Unix workstation for most of my work. :) |
| 22:34.55 | Latr_work | glad to hear |
| 22:35.21 | unixman | I will only use the Apple when working from home / on-call. |
| 22:35.26 | Latr_work | I have freebsd running on my servers and most of my clients all across the world runs it |
| 22:35.40 | Latr_work | only reason I dont use it as desktop is lack of Gnome 3 support |
| 22:35.45 | Latr_work | and I cant blame them |
| 22:36.06 | unixman | Since I <3 Xfce4 it's all good. ;) |
| 22:36.40 | Latr_work | xfce4 is cool, but I dont get that graphical satisfaction I would from say Gnome 3 or KDE 5 |
| 22:37.32 | furrywolf | I don't want "graphical satisfaction". I am most satisfied by software that does what I want it to do with minimal annoyance. |
| 22:37.46 | unixman | I'm not all that hot for graphics. I like the convenience of cut/paste in my ssh sessions. Well, and watching the occasional YouTube video. |
| 22:37.50 | Latr_work | furrywolf: you don't, I do |
| 22:38.09 | Latr_work | don't try to convince me that whatever you do or like is right |
| 22:38.13 | Latr_work | it wont work with me. |
| 22:38.32 | furrywolf | do you actually use your computer, or just look at it? :P |
| 22:38.46 | Latr_work | I just stare at it and I masturbate |
| 22:38.52 | Latr_work | more info? |
| 22:39.03 | unixman | Ah, a pr0n user. ;) |
| 22:39.05 | Latr_work | I can come up with a whole of a lot more |
| 22:39.11 | msiism | wonders if fltk could be tweaked to look like gtk2 |
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| 22:59.32 | golinux | Latr_work: The chitchat channel is #debianfork not here. |
| 22:59.47 | Latr_work | cool |
| 23:00.14 | golinux | This is more of a help channel. |
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