IRC log for #devuan on 20170531

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17:47.00*** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release http://ur1.ca/qxaa5 | https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/
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18:18.26Lydia_KOhhh.. your pseudo transparency is working on ascii!
18:18.34Lydia_KI should probably reboot my laptop at some point.
18:18.40Lydia_KIt'll probably "just work"
18:18.58Lydia_KNice screenshot by the way, looks beautiful :)
18:31.53nepugiafsmithred: totally spells devuan, care for some sleep? :)
18:32.50fsmithredno. more coffee!
18:32.57greenjeanslol
18:33.17Spasssorry to post that again, but finally I got better domain - devuan.linux.pl (website and forum for Polish Devuan Community)
18:33.53fsmithredthat's good spam.
18:34.21Spassso its kinda official now, I have one person release party now \o/
18:34.37fsmithredlol
18:34.44fsmithredany members other than you?
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18:39.47fsmithredLydia_K, that's openbox, lxpanel and lxterminal with spacefm managing the desktop. I don't know why spacefm is showing $HOME on the desktop instead the showing what's in Desktop.
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18:40.47Spassnot yet :)
18:40.53Spasscommunity of one
18:41.18_moep_fsmithred: too much gui imho
18:41.22Spassbut I call that a start
18:44.43CapricornusSpass, welcome aboard! :) http://devuanitalia.altervista.org/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2#p2
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18:46.00SpassCapricornus, thanks! I will link to your forum too
18:46.37Capricornus:) Thanks, hopefully this willslowly build a network of international communities.
18:52.01fsmithred_moep_, my usual gui is xfce. You'd probably like that even less.
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18:52.24VallHello everyone
18:52.31Capricornushello Vall
18:53.05_moep_fsmithred: yes :D
18:53.45VallBIND question here: I just determined that the BIND that's in Devuan 1.0 repo right now is version 9.9.5. But to support DNS CAA (mandatory from September on), version 9.9.6 at the very least is needed.
18:53.55VallSources: https://blog.qualys.com/ssllabs/2017/03/13/caa-mandated-by-cabrowser-forum
18:54.07Vallhttps://kb.isc.org/article/AA-01210/0/BIND-9.9.6-Release-Notes.html
18:55.15VallSo, my question is: how is Devuan going to support DNS CAA? By upgrading the standard package to >=9.9.6? By backporting the DNS CAA changes to 9.9.5? By recommending another DNS server that is not BIND?
18:55.18fsmithredhi Vall. that's a good deadline for ascii.
18:55.44Vallfsmithred: you mean, ASCII should arrive before September?
18:56.02fsmithredThat's what I'm hoping for. I don't know if that's realistic or not.
18:56.17VallOK
18:56.34VallAnd it would come with BIND >=9.9.6 right off the shelf?
18:56.42fsmithredI upgraded a refracta build to ascii without too much trouble. Had to allow libsystemd0.
18:57.02KatolaZfsmithred: the problem is not libsystemdo
18:57.11Vallsighs
18:57.13KatolaZthe problem might be gconf2
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18:57.37VallKatolaZ: but gconf is only needed on X setups, no?
18:57.45Vall(X/GNOME, I mean)
18:57.57Vallso for a serverless setup, there would be no issues?
18:57.58KatolaZnot only on gnome apps
18:58.03Vallah
18:58.15Vallwell, f*ck GNOME apps
18:58.24fsmithredbind9 in ascii: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3 500
18:58.30KatolaZalso some other apps are using it, for reasons that are beyond my understanding
18:58.32KatolaZno Vall
18:58.34Vall9.10 would be more than enough
18:58.41KatolaZnot just gnome apps
18:58.48Vallah
18:58.55KatolaZeven grace depends now on gconf2
18:58.57Vallsorry for the misunderstanding, KatolaZ
18:59.06KatolaZant it's a lesstif app
18:59.13KatolaZ:/
18:59.28VallWTF?
18:59.45VallWhy the F would a lesstiff app bring on gconf2?
18:59.56KatolaZwho knows
19:00.02KatolaZjust found that out
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19:00.11Vallsighs
19:00.13KatolaZgotta look at compilation options
19:00.24KatolaZwe will get around that Vall :)
19:00.55Valleven if there's a -Lgconf2 there or something, it would not be brought in unless some crap from libgconf2 is being called
19:01.06KatolaZnothing is beyond reach for a bunch of stubborn olt farts :)
19:01.08VallSo I do not think it's just compilation options
19:01.12VallLOL
19:01.24Vallstubbord old fats R us ;-)
19:01.29Vall*stubborn
19:01.49KatolaZfarts
19:01.51KatolaZ:D
19:02.18Vallfsmithred: how did you upgrade to ASCII? changed apt sources and then apt-get dist-upgrade?
19:02.27VallKatolaZ: LOL yeah
19:02.36KatolaZyes Vall
19:02.38KatolaZit works
19:02.45VallHummrmrmrmr
19:02.51VallGotta try that on a VM
19:02.56KatolaZa few packages will be probably helb back
19:03.09Vallshould work with standard Devuan, right? Not just Refracta?
19:03.24KatolaZI am on a standard Devuan ascii
19:03.25KatolaZatm
19:03.37fsmithredyeah, I had to replace rsyslog with something else. I used syslog-ng in the upgrade, and I used busybox-syslog or whatever it's called in a fresh debootstrap build of ascii.
19:03.53VallKatolaZL: where can I get the magic lines to put into apt sources?
19:04.13Vall<- still mostly a Devuan beginner
19:05.08KatolaZVall:
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19:05.30KatolaZVall: just replace "jessie" with "ascii" anywhere in /etc/apt/sources.list
19:05.35KatolaZand then
19:05.46KatolaZapt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
19:05.55VallOK, sed 's/jessie/ascii/g'
19:06.02VallOK
19:06.18VallI have to sit down and RTFM on APT sources etc.
19:06.39KatolaZVall:
19:06.51KatolaZif you haven't done that before, maybe it's better to try it out on a VM
19:06.54KatolaZjust in case
19:06.56Vallstill mostly a YUM/RPM guy here
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19:07.13KatolaZI might have needed to give an "apt-get -f install" or two during the upgrade
19:07.17KatolaZbut I don't remember
19:07.18KatolaZ:D
19:07.24VallOK
19:07.29KatolaZfor me that still counts as "seamless upgrade"
19:07.34Vallthanks for the info
19:07.36KatolaZnp
19:07.50Vallyeah,  -f is SOP for VUAs ;-)
19:08.11fsmithredoh yeah, I made an equivs package for dbus-user-session, which wanted (but couldn't get) systemd
19:09.45fsmithreddidn't need that for the new build, which has openbox instead of xfce.
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19:18.45nepugiacompiles lxpanel
19:20.57fsmithrednepugia, what are you changing in lxpanel?
19:21.28nepugianuffin
19:21.46nepugiai just wanan test it :3
19:22.21fsmithredyou had me worried there.
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19:23.44nepugiayou are worried about people changing stuff? tis unix and unixy though :)
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19:24.07fsmithredno, I was worried that I missed an entanglement.
19:28.17nepugianah, i am compiling it om freebsd to see if i like it :3, if i do ill add it to my devuan install too
19:30.40_moep_I installed Devuan and then the first thing I changed, was to install systemd
19:30.58_moep_;)
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19:43.23nepugia_moep_: sure :), afaik devuan tries to entangle systemd a bit from the rest of the system
19:43.35fsmithredlol, nobody has asked in awhile if that was possible.
19:44.05fsmithredfeel free to document it
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20:25.09golinuxJust added a new forum to dev1galaxy.org - Intergalactic communities!  https://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=23
20:25.50nepugianoice
20:26.38Spasshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qORYO0atB6g
20:28.05msiismgolinux: did you get my questions on the devuan overview?
20:28.33golinuxYes.  Been swamped with all the forum changes.
20:28.41msiismgolinux: i see
20:29.52golinuxSorry.  Haven't had a chance to format it for the site either.  :(
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20:31.50msiismgolinux: ok, no problem.
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20:41.23greenjeansBAM!
20:41.41fsmithred?
20:41.50fsmithredneed an ice pack?
20:41.52greenjeansThat was the sound of Devuan-Hulk smashing cruft with his delete-hammer of doom
20:42.26greenjeanstoday's victim was samba
20:42.45fsmithredyou had samba???
20:43.02KatolaZstares at his own Great Auld Hammer of Doom, there in the corner...
20:43.13greenjeanssamba-libs and libsmbclient + dpends
20:43.42greenjeansthey are listed as dependencies of gvfs-backends
20:43.48greenjeansor they were
20:43.50fsmithredI could include one of your isos inside one of mine
20:43.50greenjeans;)
20:44.17greenjeanslol, vuu-do 1.0.1+ coming up, now with even less crap
20:45.09golinuxfsmithred: I am just searching and discovered that even refracta wheezy has samba installed!
20:45.17greenjeansooh, gotta do the mate partition now, fun fun
20:45.45fsmithredI think refracta squeeze actually had samba server installed. Or maybe that was one of my pre-refracta builds.
20:46.01golinuxfsmithred: Between wheezy and devuan  - 275 files.
20:46.10greenjeansi get major jollies from stomping windoze-related junk
20:46.46golinuximagines the hulk doing a jig on samba
20:46.55fsmithredwhat's 275 files?
20:47.22golinuxAll samba related files on wheezy and devuan
20:47.44greenjeansyeah, there's a ton of small files
20:48.00golinuxSearch includes my mounted partitions on another drive
20:48.45golinuxThis was refracta wheezy clean install back a few years ago.
20:50.45fsmithredcifs-utils is in the list of packages I add
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20:53.26nepugiafunny samba , used to be windows to windows
20:53.36nepugiabut nowadays is sometimes used for linux to linux too xD
20:54.03fsmithredyeah, that's weird
20:54.31fsmithredI use nfs locally, and sometime sshfs
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21:02.25msiismi'm working on a draft for the structure of the devuan documentation (drawing much on that of debian's docs). i'd like to put that into "doc devuan" on gitlab, but i don't have the required permissions to do that. so, i would like to join the doc-devuan group, if that is possible.
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21:07.24AntoFoxo/
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21:07.36AntoFoxheylà, news?
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21:08.57golinuxmsiism: I might be able to do that
21:09.54msiismgolinux: would be great.
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21:56.24debdogI might be sitting on my brain right now, need a second pair of eyes having a look, please...
21:57.17debdognvm. erm, ok I was sitting on my brain, thanks for listening
21:58.01Capricornusnow, a brain-made pillow; that's creepy
21:58.07debdoghehe
21:59.13debdogand not as soft as one might think
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22:27.02msiismas it seems, gitlab (at least the web interface) is a real pain when trying to develop documentation (you might as well go back to plain html then). so, maybe devuan should provide some more reasonable platform for that, if that's at all possible.
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22:28.57Capricornusmsiism, lately I've stumbled on gitbook, maybe that's ok foryour purposes
22:29.48msiismCapricornus: ok, i'll look into that
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22:31.02XenguyCapricornus: What is gitbook?
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22:31.34Capricornusjust a sec, I've stumbled on it while looking for a Rust manual
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22:31.42golinuxmsiism: Centurion_Dan was talking about sphinx the other day: http://ericholscher.com/blog/2016/jul/1/sphinx-and-rtd-for-writers/
22:32.04Capricornushttps://www.gitbook.com/@carlomilanesi have a look
22:32.18Spasslately I saw an interesting platform for documentation - readthedocs.io example here - https://quodlibet.readthedocs.io/
22:32.36Xenguytx Capricornus
22:33.05Capricornusyw!
22:34.43msiismthanks for the hints
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22:40.06Xenguygolinux: Sphinx looks interesting, although I confess I looked at reStructuredText some years ago, and moved on in my search for a better 'smart ascii' (for lack of a better term).
22:40.32XenguyIt was the syntax of RST that irked me, in the end
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22:45.54msiismi use a desktop wiki called "zim". it uses wiki syntax and lets you create hierarchical structures for documents, which can then be interlinked. basically, it has all you need for developing documentation, except tables and footnotes and advanced formatting (like a defined style for warnings and such).
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22:55.12__stephenI use .mkd files and vim for something like that.  Then gf to follow links to other files.
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23:00.07msiism__stephen: well, i think a wiki would be the right toool for the job, as long as you can create a hierarchical structure and actually define page titles (which you apparently cannot really do in gitlab).
23:06.07__stephenSo... we need a wiki that supports markdown :-)
23:08.13nepugiaAaah no
23:08.19nepugiapleade no markdown
23:08.39msiismwell there's the friends of devuan wiki
23:08.52nepugiawhy not just use the mediawiki sofyware if you want a wiki? :p
23:08.53__stephenBut one of the awesome benefits of markdown is that no two interpretters seems to ba able to produce the same output... that's a feature, right?
23:10.06msiismbut wasn't able to an account there yet, since i always get "SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN" when i try to reach the page on an ecrypted connection.
23:13.15__stephenhmm.. I geta  404 on https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ when clicking the dev1fanboy wiki link (https://devuan.org/os/documentation/os/documentation/dev1fanboy)
23:14.19msiismthat's because the url is wrong
23:14.28__stephenSure is.
23:14.39msiismit has "os/documentaion" in it twice
23:14.46__stephenyup
23:17.46__stephenI figured "hey, it's a wiki, maybe I can fix it"... there's no edit link.  Looks like it's git backed, but when I try to clone (according to https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www) it slaps me in the face.
23:19.21__stephenWhere should I be looking to figure out how all these different pieces of the devuan project fit together?
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