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| 00:23.59 | fsmithred | oh well, check in around 10:00-12:00UTC and I'll probably be here. |
| 00:25.53 | minnesotags | Hey. Ok, using the new login page, it is REALLY hard to read the session options. It's so bad, I reinstalled four times, thinking I didn't do it right because I couldn't see the options come up. No bueno. |
| 00:26.45 | fsmithred | that will be fixed in an update soon |
| 00:27.25 | minnesotags | I'm actually a bit upset about this, because now I have to reinstall yet again, because what I really wanted was LXDE and I3, and now I have XFCE/i3. I may live with it though because it is a major PITA to go through this all again. |
| 00:27.44 | fsmithred | apt-get install lxde |
| 00:27.51 | fsmithred | apt-get remove xfce |
| 00:28.10 | fsmithred | slightly more than that, but not much |
| 00:28.10 | minnesotags | :rolleyes: |
| 00:28.39 | fsmithred | xfce4 |
| 00:28.47 | minnesotags | How about, readability on the login page? |
| 00:28.59 | fsmithred | they are metapackages, so they pull lots of stuff in with them |
| 00:29.07 | fsmithred | and out |
| 00:29.30 | minnesotags | Ding ding |
| 00:29.37 | fsmithred | you do not have to reinstall to change desktop |
| 00:29.51 | fsmithred | you could even leave xfce installed and ignore it |
| 00:30.40 | fsmithred | the login page update should be soon. Or, I could find out the secret code and you could fix yours. |
| 00:30.51 | fsmithred | it really is just one color code in one file. |
| 00:31.18 | fsmithred | and F1 toggles through the choices, so you could even guess where you are |
| 00:31.21 | minnesotags | I'm sure. But that doesn't help new people. |
| 00:31.32 | greggypoo | when it's fixed it will :) |
| 00:31.58 | fsmithred | and the fix will come with apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 00:31.58 | minnesotags | Yes. Guessing. Random! |
| 00:32.14 | fsmithred | no, not random. In order. |
| 00:32.28 | fsmithred | not sure what order, but it stays the same. |
| 00:32.34 | minnesotags | Guessing is random. |
| 00:32.48 | minnesotags | Reading is fundamental. |
| 00:33.54 | greggypoo | minnesotags, the first time, you guess, the second time, hopefully you remember |
| 00:34.10 | fsmithred | xfce is most likely first |
| 00:34.17 | minnesotags | I suppose I'm lucky, since I've been using Devuan for 2 years, most of my machines and install media are older and not "modern". |
| 00:34.19 | fsmithred | and if you only have one other right now |
| 00:34.38 | fsmithred | it'll be the second one |
| 00:35.21 | minnesotags | Let's put a grey font on a grey background next time. BRILLIANT! |
| 00:35.54 | minnesotags | Nobody will ever think of that. |
| 00:36.04 | minnesotags | Be unique. |
| 00:36.16 | fsmithred | it doesn't look so bad on some monitors |
| 00:36.35 | fsmithred | and it's not going to last long |
| 00:36.47 | fsmithred | there are more serious problems in the linux world |
| 00:37.15 | fsmithred | why, when I was a noob, I used to log in and type commands without a monitor |
| 00:37.19 | minnesotags | Are they as easily correctable? |
| 00:37.29 | fsmithred | some yes, some no |
| 00:37.47 | fsmithred | this one, if you're lucky, will be fixed in a few minutes. |
| 00:37.52 | minnesotags | Render unto Lennart. |
| 00:37.57 | fsmithred | not so lucky, and probably a few days |
| 00:38.15 | minnesotags | Hey, you can use the build server I donate. |
| 00:38.42 | fsmithred | I don't know anything about it, but I'm sure a server would be welcome |
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| 01:32.12 | golinux | From the most recent review on distrowatch: It seems to me that these guys didn't really fork Debian, Devuan is the path that would have been taken if Debian had stayed true to its raison d'etre. Debian chose to fork itself and it did royally. |
| 01:35.11 | gnarface | well stated |
| 01:59.32 | DGMurdockIII | https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/05/07/2336239/court-allows-case-over-violating-open-source-license |
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| 03:40.16 | greggypoo | golinux, i could not have put it better myself, and i've tried :) |
| 03:43.56 | golinux | Yeah, it's a keeper! A lot of the reviews on DW sing Devuan's praises. |
| 04:02.05 | nepugia | too bad that we lost some dev progress through this systemd bs, oh well |
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| 06:01.27 | enyc | golinux: errrrr whatis DW is this context? |
| 06:02.22 | KatolaZ | DistroWatch |
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| 06:18.28 | enyc | KatolaZ: aah had'nte looked about that site before... i wonder how self-slecting the submitters on the site are. |
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| 06:21.34 | KatolaZ | enyc: they are self-selecting for almost any distro ;) |
| 06:22.08 | KatolaZ | I mean, I have never posted a review for a distro I have not tried |
| 06:22.21 | KatolaZ | so I assume people only post about what they have tried/used |
| 06:22.38 | KatolaZ | I personally stopped trying distros at random long ago |
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| 06:31.55 | enyc | KatolaZ: i'm tihtkning furethr... those who would try out devuan more likely to be those to be positive abotu it... but anyway ta least its not full of 'it doesnt work' ;p |
| 06:33.00 | gnarface | i think there's probably an issue with the fact that systemd broke a lot of upgrades |
| 06:33.40 | enyc | gnarface: humm err arr err updates frob weher et o where devuan/debian/what? |
| 06:33.57 | gnarface | from debian wheezy to debian jessie |
| 06:34.23 | gnarface | so i'm guessing there's a lot of long-time debian users now embittered by this |
| 06:34.44 | enyc | gnarface: aah hrrm I have some jessie debian without installing systemd but ok |
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| 06:35.06 | enyc | gnarface: makes esnse depends on your costumazations and soforth |
| 06:35.13 | gnarface | enyc: yes, it didn't break EVERY upgrade, but it did break some of them |
| 06:35.42 | enyc | gnarface: i have some nice mess with old initrd's and help udev's and allsorts ;p |
| 06:36.19 | enyc | gnarface: some systems can boot across kernel 2.6.32 up to 4.9-bpo version, interestingly...! |
| 06:37.24 | gnarface | enyc: yes, but you see, i actually know what i'm doing. and the upgrade to debian jessie was the first one that had broken for me since sarge, so i'm embittered, and i can't be the only one. |
| 06:38.23 | gnarface | enyc: (and it should be mentioned for clarification, that the sarge upgrade probably was my own fault, since woody was my first debian install) |
| 06:38.56 | enyc | gnarface: okies |
| 06:39.25 | gnarface | but yea, they only test with ext4 |
| 06:39.54 | gnarface | so sometimes they change stuff outside of systemd that breaks stuff |
| 06:40.09 | gnarface | and this time they changed something that breaks stuff even if you didn't opt into systemd during the upgrade |
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| 06:52.11 | KatolaZ | enyc: I am moderately enthused by positive comments, but I value more the negative ones |
| 06:52.30 | KatolaZ | enyc: the good sign is that there are not many of them atm |
| 06:53.15 | KatolaZ | but anonymous reviews are rarely that much useful to get the pulse of what's going on |
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| 07:12.23 | cabbie0 | Hi. Recently installed Jessie 1.0.0 beta i386 on AcerOne net-book (via USB-stick) and 2006 Acer Aspire laptop. Both purring happily. |
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| 07:40.49 | mchasard | hi i have some troubles with live install for reboot |
| 07:47.51 | mchasard | amd64 or i386 iso ? |
| 07:48.37 | enyc | mchasard: how so troubles? what do you mean? |
| 07:49.52 | mchasard | at the end after the install when i reboot ...error gpt ... |
| 07:50.08 | mchasard | i have a 32bits pc |
| 07:50.37 | mchasard | i have take the i386 live iso |
| 07:50.44 | mchasard | its the raison ? |
| 07:50.52 | enyc | mchasard: gpt sounds partitioning related hrrm |
| 07:51.15 | enyc | mchasard: GPT partition table instead of MBR/pc table |
| 07:51.44 | mchasard | so how should i done ? |
| 07:52.01 | enyc | mchasard: i dnot'know not tested out the new installed yet |
| 07:52.12 | mchasard | hum |
| 07:52.23 | enyc | mchasard: do be patient and ask in here! |
| 07:52.38 | enyc | mchasard: it may be that wwiping the drive and repartitioning/reinsalling might work |
| 07:53.09 | mchasard | i take only one partition and install devuan here |
| 07:53.49 | mchasard | i have a doublt about taking the good iso |
| 07:54.13 | enyc | mchasard: nods |
| 07:54.33 | enyc | mchasard: if possible, if you have a spare hard disk, attach that ONLY and install on that alone, see if it will work there |
| 07:54.45 | enyc | mchasard: it SOUNDS like something about multi-boot/grub/somesuch misbehaving somehow |
| 07:55.04 | mchasard | yes i had an error each time about grub |
| 07:55.10 | mchasard | at the end of install |
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| 07:55.37 | enyc | mchasard: yes, ty to install it on a blank/empty hard disk (even an old, small, disk) see if you can get it 'working' on your box |
| 07:55.55 | enyc | mchasard: if that works, then work with others here to try to narrow down the multiboot issue |
| 07:56.39 | mchasard | i had install before delete partition |
| 07:56.57 | mchasard | i had delete partitio before installing |
| 07:57.01 | mchasard | sorry |
| 07:57.14 | enyc | mchasard: thats not same as blanking whole drive |
| 07:57.24 | enyc | mchasard: this will still keep mbr or gpt partition table etc. |
| 07:57.26 | KatolaZ | mchasard: are you using gpt? |
| 07:58.00 | aitor | hi docscritinizer05: i didn't dedicate too much time to wlx |
| 07:58.01 | KatolaZ | and before that, what is the "error" that you expeience? |
| 07:58.06 | mchasard | i have taken an old macos disk |
| 07:58.21 | aitor | it's run when clicking on connect/disconnect buttons |
| 07:58.24 | enyc | mchasard: right definitiley blank it with zero'es first then repartition |
| 07:58.32 | enyc | mchasard: old mac-os disk has funny mac partition label etc |
| 07:58.43 | aitor | i'll replace system() by execl(() in all the project |
| 07:58.43 | KatolaZ | enyc: there is no need to blank a disk... :S |
| 07:59.05 | enyc | KatolaZ: indeed you can overwrite whatever headers etc |
| 07:59.08 | mchasard | but it was an hackintosh install |
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| 07:59.38 | enyc | KatolaZ: though i find zerofilling (or better, badblocks -wvs) useful to cause hdds to do more mapping out bad sectors pro-actively before re-use |
| 07:59.52 | KatolaZ | enyc: that's another story... |
| 08:00.35 | KatolaZ | if you want to "blank" all partitions, most of the time it is sufficient to zero the first few MBs |
| 08:00.40 | enyc | KatolaZ: indeed |
| 08:00.42 | KatolaZ | anyway mchasard this is not your case |
| 08:01.02 | KatolaZ | mchasard: what is the "error" you experience? |
| 08:01.10 | mchasard | boot error gpt |
| 08:01.20 | KatolaZ | can you boot into the new installation? |
| 08:01.26 | mchasard | no |
| 08:01.27 | aitor | 'NEVER send argv[] directly to system()!' - Docscrutinizer05 |
| 08:01.35 | aitor | i know |
| 08:01.44 | mchasard | i'm under live keys |
| 08:01.55 | KatolaZ | mchasard: ? |
| 08:02.01 | aitor | as you can see in the coding style, i didn't dedicate too much time to wlx |
| 08:02.02 | mchasard | at the moment |
| 08:02.17 | KatolaZ | mchasard: do you have another bootloader installed on the same disk? |
| 08:02.39 | mchasard | no |
| 08:03.06 | mchasard | cause i have different disk for different system |
| 08:03.41 | mchasard | and i put another disk to install via usb live |
| 08:04.35 | enyc | mchasard: so, boot installer with ONLY this disk to install devuan on installed, and work out how to fdisk -l to identify disks, and dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sd??? bs=1M count=2 to properly wipe partitions on this disk, reboot, install..... this must be done with great care not to wipe out wrong disk! |
| 08:04.47 | aitor | Docscrutinizer05: i'll use a switch() function, depending on the values of the arguments in the command line |
| 08:04.51 | mchasard | i had install with installer not live under another pc adn all was ok |
| 08:05.20 | mchasard | i can see only one disk each time |
| 08:05.43 | KatolaZ | aitor: you must sanitise any imput before using it for system() or execl() |
| 08:05.55 | KatolaZ | especially since that thing will be suid... |
| 08:06.58 | aitor | yes, now i'm concentrated in the frontend |
| 08:06.58 | KatolaZ | mchasard: whic image are you using? |
| 08:07.18 | mchasard | desktop.live i386 |
| 08:07.30 | aitor | as i said, i'll use switch(), like in the backend of netman, you know... |
| 08:07.47 | aitor | switch (switch_item) { |
| 08:07.55 | aitor | case opSave: |
| 08:07.56 | aitor | etc |
| 08:07.58 | mchasard | i install again |
| 08:08.02 | KatolaZ | mchasard: wait |
| 08:08.09 | mchasard | ok |
| 08:08.15 | KatolaZ | if you have only one disk, why are you using gpt? |
| 08:08.34 | mchasard | i don't know why i have this error gpt |
| 08:08.36 | enyc | KatolaZ: old hackintosh install disk |
| 08:08.43 | KatolaZ | I mean if you use the disk wxclusively for devuan.... |
| 08:09.01 | enyc | KatolaZ: so mchasard doesn't know how to get rid of that and wipe partition TABLE /headers properly |
| 08:09.06 | mchasard | yes i decided to use for devuan cause i already duplicate this disk |
| 08:09.38 | KatolaZ | mchasard: just recreate the partition table then |
| 08:10.03 | KatolaZ | before you install |
| 08:10.14 | mchasard | i already did that |
| 08:10.23 | mchasard | simple installation |
| 08:10.25 | enyc | mchasard: how? what exactly did you do? |
| 08:10.28 | mchasard | with only one partition so |
| 08:11.02 | KatolaZ | mchasard: and you used an msdos partition table? |
| 08:11.13 | KatolaZ | instead of gpt? |
| 08:11.20 | mchasard | hum i have delete the partition |
| 08:11.38 | mchasard | how to know that ? |
| 08:12.14 | KatolaZ | fdisk will tell you |
| 08:12.28 | mchasard | ok |
| 08:13.01 | mchasard | fdisk - ?? |
| 08:13.37 | mchasard | i just create an msdos partition |
| 08:13.46 | mchasard | table partition |
| 08:13.56 | mchasard | so no doubt now |
| 08:14.07 | mchasard | i could try a reinstall ? |
| 08:14.53 | aitor | need to go |
| 08:15.01 | KatolaZ | mchasard: if you redo the same sequence of steps, you will end up in the same situation.... |
| 08:15.09 | mchasard | hum ... |
| 08:15.36 | KatolaZ | trying a reinstall makes sense if you have changed soimething in the meanwhile |
| 08:15.52 | mchasard | i have create an msdos partiion table |
| 08:15.56 | KatolaZ | oh ok |
| 08:15.58 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 08:16.00 | mchasard | in the doubt |
| 08:16.03 | KatolaZ | missed that |
| 08:16.09 | KatolaZ | then yes. definitely |
| 08:16.16 | KatolaZ | since you had a gpt problem |
| 08:16.17 | mchasard | ext4 is better? |
| 08:16.21 | KatolaZ | one last thing |
| 08:16.27 | mchasard | yes |
| 08:16.29 | mchasard | ? |
| 08:16.30 | KatolaZ | oyu said you have live iso right? |
| 08:16.37 | mchasard | yes |
| 08:16.46 | mchasard | i'm under this live at the moment |
| 08:16.55 | KatolaZ | for i386? |
| 08:17.05 | mchasard | yes 32bits |
| 08:17.07 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 08:17.13 | KatolaZ | it's not ams64 |
| 08:17.16 | KatolaZ | amd64 |
| 08:17.18 | KatolaZ | just to be sure |
| 08:17.22 | mchasard | no |
| 08:17.31 | KatolaZ | (but you don't need uefi anyway) |
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| 08:17.42 | mchasard | otherwise i couldn't use this live |
| 08:17.56 | mchasard | no uefi |
| 08:18.11 | KatolaZ | try to reinstall |
| 08:18.15 | mchasard | so i try a new install |
| 08:18.15 | KatolaZ | it should work |
| 08:18.25 | KatolaZ | ypu can install from live |
| 08:18.28 | mchasard | ok thanks i 'll be back |
| 08:20.43 | mchasard | installing |
| 08:20.56 | mchasard | ... |
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| 08:29.14 | mchasard | no error for boot loader i think it was due to gpt partition table |
| 08:29.20 | mchasard | i goes on |
| 08:30.38 | mchasard | i have to reboot now |
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| 08:36.05 | mchasard | ok i'm back success |
| 08:36.13 | mchasard | under new install |
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| 08:39.10 | mchasard | thanks |
| 08:39.22 | mchasard | i have one thing same as my other install |
| 08:39.33 | mchasard | no fr layout |
| 08:39.54 | mchasard | it was due to lightdm or slim |
| 08:40.40 | mchasard | i have now to install another desktop |
| 08:42.20 | mchasard | bye default its slim or lightdm installed? |
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| 08:57.37 | KatolaZ | mchasard: happy it worked fine |
| 08:57.54 | KatolaZ | there are clearly some problems with the live install on i386 and gpt |
| 08:58.19 | mchasard | yeah is it normal that office stay in english ? |
| 08:58.35 | KatolaZ | could you please file a bug report to live-iso please? |
| 08:58.56 | KatolaZ | mchasard: you need to install libreoffice i10l stuff |
| 08:59.29 | mchasard | but normallly with backports it should upgrade ? |
| 08:59.58 | KatolaZ | uh? |
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| 09:38.57 | gnarface | i seem to remember an issue with grub giving gpt errors at boot and it turned out to be caused by something windows had left over in the boot loader |
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| 09:39.06 | gnarface | mchasard: i seem to remember an issue with grub giving gpt errors at boot and it turned out to be caused by something windows had left over in the boot loader |
| 09:39.26 | gnarface | mchasard: was this a former windows7 drive you were trying to install to when you got that gpt error? |
| 09:39.50 | gnarface | mchasard: there was some fix that involved blanking the boot sector then re-running grub, i think |
| 09:40.01 | mchasard | yes but it was due to gpt partition table |
| 09:40.04 | mchasard | now its ok |
| 09:40.22 | mchasard | i'm in msdos partition table |
| 09:40.26 | gnarface | i think you can avoid it by using msdos partition table instead, yea, but some things require a gpt partition table |
| 09:42.57 | gnarface | anyway, whatever works for you. zeroing the whole drive would have also worked, but would have been total overkill |
| 09:48.55 | gnarface | there is a clean way to fix it |
| 09:49.04 | gnarface | i just forget what it was exactly |
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| 09:59.53 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 10:00.44 | AntoFox | I am working on mate 1.18 |
| 10:00.47 | AntoFox | I hope to finish it soon |
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| 10:03.03 | KatolaZ | AntoFox: great! |
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| 10:27.14 | gnu_srs | Hi, I have now upgraded the valentine image to RC1 and RC2. There are still versions from angband.pl that are newer than in Devuan/Jessie: |
| 10:27.14 | gnu_srs | libpulse0: 5.0-13.0nosystemd1 vs 5.0-13+devuan2, |
| 10:27.15 | gnu_srs | upower: 0.99.1-really-0.9.23-2.0nosystemd1 vs 1:0.9.23-2+devuan1.2 :a bug in naming?? |
| 10:27.15 | gnu_srs | xfce4-power-manager{,-data}: 1.4.1-2.0nosystemd1 vs 1.4.1-1 (Debian package) |
| 10:29.11 | KatolaZ | gnu_srs: "valentine" is a pre-alpha from more than two years ago.... |
| 10:30.39 | gnu_srs | I've upgraded to RC2 |
| 10:32.29 | KatolaZ | oh cool |
| 10:32.41 | KatolaZ | I meant, there might be quirks with packages in the valentine iso |
| 10:33.18 | fsmithred | gnu_srs, upower is same version: 0.9.23-2 |
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| 10:35.30 | fsmithred | is upower 0.99-blah a real package or a dummy? |
| 10:35.36 | gnu_srs | fsmithred: Maybe the upower version should have version: 0.99.1-really-0.9.23-2+devuan1.2 (without epoch?) |
| 10:36.13 | fsmithred | no, I think the 0.99 is from angband, not debian. But that's a guess. |
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| 10:37.08 | Centurion-Dan2 | no. |
| 10:37.12 | gnu_srs | I think 0.99.1 it was uploaded by mistake, therefore the devuan package has the epoch? |
| 10:37.47 | Centurion_Dan | the epoch should be fine. 0.99 from debian has been gutted of the very parts we needed for power management. |
| 10:37.59 | fsmithred | ??? |
| 10:38.33 | fsmithred | ah, so the numbers have to keep up. |
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| 10:41.21 | DPA | I just found file capabilities. I'm removing some suid bits from my systems now. "chmod -s /bin/ping; setcap cap_net_raw+ep /bin/ping". Seams to work so far. |
| 10:45.09 | gnu_srs | What about the xfce4-power-manager* packages? |
| 10:49.55 | gnu_srs | libpulse0 is OK to replace with 5.0-13+devuan2, The latest Debian/Jessie version of upower is: 0.99.1-3.2 (no epoch) |
| 11:06.24 | gnu_srs | OK, the devuan upower version needs the epoch since latest debian one is 0.99.1-3.2 and devuan is based on 0.9.23, right? |
| 11:09.30 | gnu_srs | I think xfce-power-manager* needs an update: It build-depends on libsystemd-daemon-dev (but not depends). |
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| 11:46.37 | kamila | Hello, does anyone know what happened to the devuan image on OpenNebula marketplace? It should exist according to https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install-on-a-virtual-machine#opennebula-cloud , it did exist a few days ago, and now it's gone |
| 12:06.58 | Centurion_Dan | no idea... either who put it their or who removed it... |
| 12:07.21 | parazyd | maybe they're updating for rc2 |
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| 12:07.38 | parazyd | if it was there 'a few days ago' |
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| 12:32.43 | fsmithred | I didn't think it was possible to have both grub-pc and grub-efi-amd64 installed at the same time, but it looks like I did that. |
| 12:33.35 | markizano | o.O |
| 12:33.41 | fsmithred | oh, just dpkg is confused. aptitude sees it correctly |
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| 17:51.49 | Enrico_Menotti | Hi. I thought I could start learning some things about Hildon (for Devuan on the N900). After a bit of googling, I decided to begin with the GTK+ libraries. So I'm trying to compile them on Devuan. I'm reading here: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-building.html. I'm encountering many issues, solved a bunch of them, but now I'm stuck at a certain point. Let me report what I'm doing so far. |
| 17:52.55 | Enrico_Menotti | I started by cloning this: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+. On the page about gtk building that I linked above, they say to run ./configure. So the first problem is that this script does not exist. Instead, I found autogen.sh, which seems to create configure and execute it. Then a make successfully starts the build. |
| 17:52.55 | Enrico_Menotti | Now the newest versions of gtk+ require libraries which seem not to be available on Devuan Jessie, at least not in the required version. So I checked out a previous branch, gtk-3-14. This allows the build process to go fairly ahead. |
| 17:53.56 | Enrico_Menotti | However, at a certain point I got the following error from the linker: |
| 17:53.57 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.57 | Enrico_Menotti | This seems to be triggered by the linking process of libgdk-3.la. |
| 17:53.57 | Enrico_Menotti | So after some googling I found this: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=679409 and this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=732668. |
| 17:54.30 | Enrico_Menotti | If I got it right, gtk+ has a behaviour (linking against .la files) which seems to be deprecated (based on the Debian bug report above.) |
| 17:55.11 | Enrico_Menotti | Any idea? |
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| 17:56.27 | buZz | Enrico_Menotti: did you see http://wiki.maemo.org/Devuan_on_N900 ? |
| 17:56.41 | Enrico_Menotti | I have written it. :) |
| 17:56.48 | buZz | lol |
| 17:56.55 | buZz | wait, i guess thats the wrong link |
| 17:57.04 | buZz | i was searching for wizzup's work |
| 17:57.13 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah I understand. |
| 17:58.11 | buZz | https://git.devuan.org/groups/maemo |
| 17:58.22 | buZz | not so much yet |
| 17:58.59 | Enrico_Menotti | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96800&highlight=hildon |
| 17:59.09 | buZz | yeah |
| 17:59.11 | Enrico_Menotti | Maybe this? |
| 17:59.15 | buZz | that might get you further |
| 18:00.14 | Enrico_Menotti | Well, I didn't read all the thread, to be honest. But from a first sight I didn't find useful info. I will read more carefully, however. |
| 18:02.44 | Enrico_Menotti | I searched the thread for gobject, without any success. |
| 18:03.01 | buZz | Enrico_Menotti: the #maemo channel had some discussion about it recently, quite sure they had some success |
| 18:03.12 | buZz | i saw someone running maemo on a allwinner tablet |
| 18:03.19 | buZz | but cant find a link to it |
| 18:03.26 | buZz | (well, maemo, hildon and some other stuff) |
| 18:04.16 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, but for now I'm not looking at the N900 - I'm starting trying to compile the gtk+ on Devuan on a laptop. |
| 18:06.27 | Enrico_Menotti | I think the problem I encountered may be generalised in the following way: given a package, which I installed from the mirrors, and for which I also have the sources (namely, libglib2.0-dev, I think), how to create a corresponding .la file? I found out something about libtool and libtoolize, but I am unable to use it. |
| 18:07.49 | buZz | they didnt dev for N900 |
| 18:17.17 | greggypoo | wow, you guys are really talking about the little nokia pda |
| 18:17.33 | buZz | greggypoo: shitton of people still use it daily |
| 18:17.43 | buZz | its way more freedom than a android or ios |
| 18:17.49 | buZz | also, hardware keyboard |
| 18:19.05 | greggypoo | my n810 still works, but i haven't used it since my first android phone |
| 18:19.16 | greggypoo | it says it has 924 days of uptime :) |
| 18:24.08 | buZz | i have a 770, n800, n810 and n900 |
| 18:24.23 | buZz | still need a n9-00 though to complete my collection |
| 18:24.27 | buZz | and maybe a n950 but thats hella rare |
| 18:24.30 | greggypoo | my first android phone had a keyboard, i wish that had caught on |
| 18:25.17 | buZz | i stopped using android couple years ago (and phones in general) |
| 18:25.43 | buZz | dont favor paying for a service so other ppl can harras me |
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| 18:57.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | jr@saturn:~/Dokumente/Neo900/projbin/kicad-et-al/eeshow> ssh root@t900 uptime |
| 18:57.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:57.40 | fsmithred | greenjeans, did you figure it out? |
| 18:57.53 | greenjeans | I did |
| 18:57.58 | fsmithred | whew |
| 18:58.07 | fsmithred | you left too quick last time |
| 18:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | n9-00 ? |
| 18:58.39 | fsmithred | sorry I got you stuck on the wrong name |
| 18:58.50 | greenjeans | I went ahead and set it for autologin for running tests, but I may go back to not autologging for the final |
| 18:59.04 | greenjeans | oh no biggie man, I really appreciate your help |
| 18:59.16 | greenjeans | in fact you set me on the right course for another fix |
| 18:59.18 | fsmithred | you might need to configure a runlevel without display manager |
| 18:59.46 | greenjeans | you won't believe how i fixed autolgin |
| 18:59.53 | fsmithred | ? |
| 19:00.11 | fsmithred | rifle or shotgun? |
| 19:00.40 | greenjeans | the problem was in the user-timeout line itself, if left uncommented if glitches now and then no matter what you set the delay at |
| 19:00.47 | greenjeans | i commented it out for livecd |
| 19:00.53 | greenjeans | and now everything works |
| 19:01.36 | fsmithred | it stays commented? |
| 19:01.46 | greenjeans | i used the lightdm delay script in live config, changed it |
| 19:01.55 | fsmithred | ok |
| 19:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | buZz: N9-00 = early codename for N950 |
| 19:02.40 | greenjeans | just added a hashtag and left it at 0 for timeout |
| 19:03.34 | greenjeans | could do it in the 0100-lightdm script too, but delay script was already there so I used it |
| 19:03.58 | fsmithred | yeah, that one was added. better to make changes there. |
| 19:04.02 | greenjeans | and I took out 0040-sudo completely |
| 19:04.29 | greenjeans | no more sudo nopasswd on the livecd, it works just like installed system now |
| 19:04.33 | fsmithred | you can turn off any live-config piece by adding to boot line: |
| 19:04.46 | fsmithred | nocomponents=sudo (for instance) |
| 19:05.05 | greenjeans | oh cool, that's a much better way |
| 19:05.17 | fsmithred | there's a bunch of those. see man live-config |
| 19:05.56 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: isnt N9 the actual N9-00 ? |
| 19:06.02 | greenjeans | lightdm just doesn't seem to like that user-timeout line |
| 19:06.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | bo |
| 19:06.15 | buZz | booo |
| 19:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, even http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames |
| 19:06.40 | greenjeans | boots a lot faster autologging in now, and uses less ram at first idle, 131 mb |
| 19:07.22 | buZz | DocScrutinizer05: ah, so N9-01 |
| 19:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | see "Dali", and "Lankku" |
| 19:07.42 | greenjeans | trying to figure out whether I want autologin on the livecd or not, any recommendations? |
| 19:07.52 | fsmithred | yes |
| 19:08.29 | fsmithred | live-cd is used for short times, the person is right there, the passwords are published on the internet |
| 19:08.29 | greenjeans | my login screen is just so pretty though....;) |
| 19:08.44 | fsmithred | lol |
| 19:08.57 | fsmithred | isn't it the same as the desktop background? |
| 19:09.08 | greenjeans | well yeah.... |
| 19:09.18 | greenjeans | it's pretty too |
| 19:10.01 | greenjeans | well cool, i have beta 2 rolled up, will start uploading here shortly |
| 19:10.55 | Enrico_Menotti | Anybody knows about what I asked above? |
| 19:11.02 | greenjeans | hey i think i have enough space on my site to mirror devuan, is there anywhere that lists how much space and bandwidth is needed? |
| 19:11.09 | buZz | did you ask in #maemo yet Enrico_Menotti ? |
| 19:11.19 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, yesterday. |
| 19:12.07 | buZz | there is code somewhere, but i dont know it |
| 19:12.16 | buZz | (for running hildon on modern devuan) |
| 19:12.44 | fsmithred | there's info about mirroring on main site |
| 19:13.03 | fsmithred | I need to go do stuff. back in about half hour. |
| 19:13.31 | greggypoo | Enrico_Menotti: i probably won't be able to help you but i'm curious, what do you need a glib .la for? |
| 19:14.21 | Enrico_Menotti | greggypoo I'm trying to compile gtk+ on Devuan. I end up with it unable to find a specific .la file. |
| 19:15.12 | Enrico_Menotti | I reported extensively my situation about an hour and a half ago. |
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| 19:19.34 | aitor | hi |
| 19:25.18 | greggypoo | Enrico_Menotti: thanks |
| 19:25.47 | aitor | DocScrutinizer05: aitor's concept is absolutely correct (and simple netaid much appreciated), just the implementation of wlx needs some more love |
| 19:25.59 | aitor | of course :) |
| 19:31.55 | aitor | wlx is only an utility for now |
| 19:35.29 | aitor | there will therefore only be one backend |
| 19:36.12 | aitor | the original backend of simple-netaid |
| 19:37.33 | aitor | with some minor improvements |
| 19:48.11 | aitor | ok, i'll obey to our sheriff dedicating more love to wlx |
| 19:48.25 | aitor | leaving aside my poems :) |
| 19:48.50 | aitor | :( |
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| 20:28.08 | greenjeans | I think that I shall never see, an init as buggy as systemd, it just won't leave well-enough alone, i'm not surprised they love it at GNOME. |
| 20:28.31 | greenjeans | :D |
| 20:29.47 | fsmithred | :) |
| 20:33.56 | MinceR | the amount of bugs in systemd couldn't fit in an init |
| 20:39.06 | buZz | lol MinceR |
| 20:39.12 | buZz | thats a nice quote :) |
| 20:39.20 | MinceR | :) |
| 20:48.29 | greenjeans | it's kind of like an old 70's 8-track player, it works but only if you wad up a piece of paper or a matchbook and wedge it in just the right place, otherwise it's fuzzy and drags and sounds like crap |
| 20:48.51 | greggypoo | that one doesn't rhyme |
| 20:49.09 | greenjeans | it's free-verse |
| 20:49.11 | greggypoo | :) |
| 20:49.17 | greenjeans | lol |
| 20:50.25 | buZz | i was helping someone setup LXC and cgroups |
| 20:50.51 | buZz | and someone went to shouldersurf me to tell me about 'THERE IS MACHINED IN SYSTEMD YOU KNOW? WORKS FINE, WHY DO YOU NEED LXC' |
| 20:51.04 | buZz | asked them kindly to fuck off |
| 20:51.44 | parazyd | buZz: speaking of lxc |
| 20:51.53 | parazyd | do you have any idea how to avoid the proc restrictions? |
| 20:52.05 | parazyd | i'm trying to do binfmt and crazy stuff, lxc just denies me |
| 20:52.19 | buZz | yeah cgroups ;) |
| 20:52.44 | parazyd | what am i supposed to do? |
| 20:52.54 | parazyd | remove noexec? |
| 20:52.59 | buZz | eh? |
| 20:53.00 | parazyd | nosuid? |
| 20:53.09 | parazyd | i've no idea what i'm doing |
| 20:53.20 | buZz | you need to specifically allow a lxc access to the stuff you want |
| 20:53.39 | Enrico_Menotti | Hi parazyd. Don't want to disturb you - but may you have a look at my questions above? Maybe you know something about that... |
| 20:54.11 | parazyd | buZz: ah, i see |
| 20:54.47 | parazyd | Enrico_Menotti: why do you need .la files? |
| 20:55.36 | buZz | actually , this could work ; lxc.mount.entry = /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc none rbind,create=dir,optional |
| 20:55.56 | Enrico_Menotti | I'm trying to compile gtk+. At a certain point it complains about a missing .la file. I explained all above, extensively (it's about three hours ago.) |
| 20:56.19 | parazyd | buZz: thanks! |
| 20:56.23 | parazyd | i'll give it a shot |
| 20:58.02 | parazyd | Enrico_Menotti: seems you should fix the autoconf crap in the sources there |
| 20:58.25 | parazyd | you should use gtk2 though |
| 20:58.31 | parazyd | it's what the maemo port will use |
| 20:59.58 | Enrico_Menotti | So did I download the wrong sources? |
| 21:00.17 | Enrico_Menotti | (Sorry, don't know the difference between the various gtk's). |
| 21:01.13 | parazyd | most of hildon is written in gtk2 |
| 21:02.02 | parazyd | http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gtk+/2.24/ |
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| 21:02.55 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah got it. I was on version 3.14. |
| 21:03.27 | Enrico_Menotti | So it is sufficient to checkout an earlier version? |
| 21:03.35 | parazyd | dunno |
| 21:04.28 | Enrico_Menotti | I will try. Thanks. |
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| 21:10.04 | parazyd | buZz: seems like setting security.privileged to true (in lxc2/lxd) helps |
| 21:10.36 | buZz | ah, i didnt know you were running a unpriviledged one :) |
| 21:10.43 | parazyd | neither did i :D |
| 21:10.46 | buZz | ^_^ |
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| 21:13.35 | aitor | ^^__^^ |
| 21:14.06 | MinceR | ^^^___^^^ |
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| 21:21.34 | aitor | n^eed _^to go^_ |
| 21:22.04 | aitor | bye :) |
| 21:24.02 | fred`` | keep up the good work |
| 21:24.32 | greenjeans | beta #2 up: http://www.mrgreenjeans.net/linux/vuudo/openbox/64/ |
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| 22:33.26 | Enrico_Menotti | parazyd I checked out branch gtk-2-24, and I'm trying to compile. However, now I run in a different issue: seems echo is turned on, so that I get printed on screen every single command which is executed. It's a mess. Tried to go back a few tags, but no result. Any idea? |
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