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00:19.30 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-04-21 - for real now): Jessie 1.0 RC ** https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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09:06.10 | aitor | hi |
09:07.09 | aitor | now i remember the name of the founder of the trisquel project: Rubén Rofriguez |
09:07.22 | aitor | https://trisquel.info/en/presentation |
09:07.27 | aitor | isn't it? |
09:08.32 | aitor | the topic about gnuinos is locked because any forum thread at the Trisquel project site is auto-locked after some time passes from the last comment |
09:10.23 | aitor | one of the administrators have reopened the comments at that topic so i can continue the discussion, but i still find it locked :) |
09:11.19 | aitor | bye |
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09:16.27 | aitor | https://trisquel.info/en/forum/interviu-cu-ruben-rodriguez-fondatorul-trisquel-gnulinux |
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09:46.42 | Helle | am I correct in spotting that the live CD lacks memtest86+ that seems like a bit of a miss |
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09:56.33 | jaromil | Helle: good point |
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10:15.56 | fsmithred | oh |
10:16.16 | fsmithred | just woke up, but I know I can do that. |
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10:16.54 | fsmithred | I see it was quiet in here and #devuan-dev last night. Nice that everyone finally got some sleep. |
10:22.51 | jaromil | :^) was a relaxing weekend of rest and study for me |
10:26.25 | fsmithred | I was working on getting the live to boot into other languages |
10:26.27 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: speak for yourself |
10:26.32 | Centurion_Dan | ;-) |
10:26.36 | fsmithred | oh, sorry |
10:27.00 | Centurion_Dan | ah it's my own fault :-/ |
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10:35.00 | fsmithred | well, I hope you had some fun. |
10:35.07 | fsmithred | Hi rrq |
10:37.38 | rrq | hi |
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10:55.49 | AntoFox | o/ |
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11:00.08 | DeFender1031 | KatolaZ, further to last night about mtp, interestingly, jmtpfs allows me to mount the device as a normal user (without root), but umount requires root to unmount it and there doesn't seem to be a jmtpfs option for unmounting. (There's auto-unmount, but from the description, that may or may not do what I want. Either way, I'll play with it later, as I'm heading out for a bit now.) |
11:09.31 | KatolaZ | DeFender1031: you must use "fusermount -u" |
11:09.43 | KatolaZ | man jmtpfs |
11:09.44 | KatolaZ | :) |
11:09.47 | KatolaZ | it is described there |
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11:55.47 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
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14:51.32 | strk | Unit xxxx.service failed to load: is this why devuan exists ? |
14:51.47 | strk | the above error raised upon calling /etc/init.d/xxxx start |
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14:54.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | o.O ??? |
14:55.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | root@devuan:/etc# /etc/init.d/xxxx start |
14:55.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | -bash: /etc/init.d/xxxx: No such file or directory |
14:56.02 | strk | xxx was a fake name |
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14:56.26 | strk | it's really the code you can read here: https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-setup-a-davmail-exchange-gateway-on-a-debian-7-vps |
14:56.58 | KatolaZ | strk: are you sure you have that file? |
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14:57.55 | strk | of course |
15:00.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | wget http://sourceforge.net/projects/davmail/files/davmail/4.4.1/davmail_4.4.1-2225-1_all.deb doesn't sound like it's particularly well tested on devuan |
15:00.52 | strk | figured, I needed `systemctl daemon-reload` |
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15:03.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | systemctl ?!?? |
15:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | wonders if strk is aware devuan is "without systemd" |
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15:06.30 | zdzichu | maybe someone pointed he to this channel as a prank |
15:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol |
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15:39.24 | Gupz | congrats on RC \o/ |
15:40.20 | Gupz | botbot seems down btw |
15:40.35 | Gupz | -- BotBot disconnected, possible missing messages -- |
15:42.15 | jaromil | thanks! and ACK. luckily most of devs have an irc bouncer for the backlogs |
15:45.23 | *** mode/#devuan [+o DocScrutinizer05] by ChanServ |
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15:47.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | botbot: ping |
15:47.00 | botbot | PONG |
15:50.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm seems the webserver is totally down now |
15:50.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | botbot: ping |
15:50.35 | botbot | PONG |
15:51.27 | Gupz | which webserver? botbot.me is loading from here, although still not showing recent logs |
15:53.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ |
15:53.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | takes aaaages to load |
15:53.53 | Gupz | yeah was a bit slow but got there |
15:55.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | hangs at 10% progress since... I wrote the above |
15:55.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | sth borked over there |
15:56.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I hope I didn't kill it by inviting botbot in here |
15:56.25 | Gupz | working ok here, i'm maxing out my line downloading updates so that probably explains my slow |
15:56.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | still at 10% |
15:57.04 | Gupz | still saying its disconnected though |
15:57.29 | Gupz | maybe some routing issues happening |
15:58.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if botbot = https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ |
15:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | the ips differ at least |
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15:59.57 | Gupz | you never know these days, could be caches, proxies and load ballancers all over the place |
16:00.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
16:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | stupid bot not even answers /query |
16:00.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | botbot: status |
16:00.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | botbot: help |
16:00.49 | botbot | <keyword> tweet - Returns a link to a tweet about <keyword> |
16:00.49 | botbot | <user> is a badass guitarist - assign a role to a user |
16:00.49 | botbot | <user> is not a badass guitarist - remove a role from a user |
16:00.49 | botbot | animate me <query> - The same thing as `image me`, except adds a few |
16:00.49 | botbot | convert me <expression> to <units> - Convert expression to given units. |
16:00.49 | botbot | help - Displays all of the help commands that Hubot knows about. |
16:00.49 | botbot | help <query> - Displays all help commands that match <query>. |
16:00.50 | botbot | image me <query> - The Original. Queries Google Images for <query> and |
16:00.50 | botbot | map me <query> - Returns a map view of the area returned by `query`. |
16:00.51 | botbot | math me <expression> - Calculate the given expression. |
16:00.51 | botbot | mustache me <query> - Searches Google Images for the specified query and |
16:00.52 | botbot | mustache me <url> - Adds a mustache to the specified URL. |
16:00.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy |
16:01.21 | Gupz | and its logging again |
16:01.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ |
16:01.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | and loads lightning fast |
16:02.22 | Gupz | hmm how strange |
16:03.23 | Gupz | right i gotta dash, laters |
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17:03.12 | mchasard | hi i just would like to replace xfce by mate ...how to uninstall cleanly xfce ? |
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17:26.41 | mchasard | hi |
17:27.02 | mchasard | please i just would like to uninstallxfce |
17:28.46 | debdog | apt-get purge $any_installed_xfce4_package |
17:30.34 | mchasard | it return nothing |
17:30.43 | mchasard | i already install mate over .. |
17:30.59 | mchasard | the install of mate ... uninstall xfce auto ? |
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17:32.07 | mchasard | 0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour. |
17:33.51 | mchasard | strange |
17:34.51 | DPA | Have you tried apt-get autoremove --purge? |
17:35.05 | mchasard | let me try |
17:35.30 | mchasard | without xfce noted? |
17:35.46 | mchasard | just apt-get autoremove --purge |
17:35.54 | gnarface | no |
17:36.06 | gnarface | apt-get autoremove --purge [package name] |
17:36.08 | mchasard | ? |
17:36.36 | mchasard | all xfce package how to list ? |
17:36.46 | gnarface | dpkg -l |grep xfce |
17:36.53 | mchasard | ok |
17:37.36 | mchasard | i have to unsinstall one by one |
17:37.53 | gnarface | well, autoremove should remove unused packages |
17:38.08 | gnarface | at least in theory |
17:38.17 | gnarface | but yes, you might have to remove them one-by-one |
17:38.29 | gnarface | apt-get purge [package name] |
17:38.32 | gnarface | apt-get purge [package name] |
17:38.39 | gnarface | apt-get autoremove |
17:38.49 | gnarface | like that |
17:39.03 | mchasard | ok thanks |
17:39.04 | KatolaZ | you can also apt-get autoremove --purge.... |
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19:03.01 | mwarning | hi, where can I see what packages are available in unstable? |
19:06.22 | gnarface | mwarning: more or less the same as debian |
19:07.04 | mwarning | ok, thanks |
19:07.29 | gnarface | there is a "packages.devuan.org" now but eh... the interface is a bit rough compared to debian's |
19:08.03 | parazyd | ^_^ |
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19:10.26 | mwarning | hm, looks like I need to install a package from unstable |
19:11.15 | KatolaZ | mwarning: check whether it is available as a backport first |
19:11.43 | mwarning | how can I check that? |
19:12.26 | KatolaZ | mwarning: which package do you need to install? |
19:12.30 | mwarning | rustc |
19:12.55 | KatolaZ | which version? |
19:12.58 | mwarning | any |
19:13.10 | mwarning | well, >1.0 would be nice :) |
19:13.41 | KatolaZ | and is it in unstable? |
19:14.35 | mwarning | yes |
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19:16.03 | KatolaZ | if it does not have too many deps, you can just pull the package source and rebuild maybe? |
19:16.40 | KatolaZ | wait mwarning |
19:16.44 | mwarning | https://packages.debian.org/stretch/rustc |
19:16.45 | KatolaZ | it's in testing as well.... |
19:16.54 | mwarning | yes |
19:17.00 | KatolaZ | so you can pull it from ascii |
19:17.07 | mwarning | how? |
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19:17.19 | mwarning | apt -t ascii install rustc |
19:17.21 | mwarning | ? |
19:17.25 | KatolaZ | add ascii to the repos first |
19:17.26 | KatolaZ | yes |
19:17.35 | KatolaZ | but pin it down, probably |
19:17.47 | KatolaZ | or remove it immediately after you install what you need |
19:17.54 | mwarning | looks for a tutorial |
19:17.58 | KatolaZ | just the same deb line as for jessie |
19:18.00 | KatolaZ | oh sorry |
19:18.12 | KatolaZ | you have to add the repo in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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19:18.28 | KatolaZ | if you open that file, you will see that there is a line like |
19:18.38 | KatolaZ | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main |
19:18.49 | KatolaZ | just add a similar line with |
19:18.55 | KatolaZ | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main |
19:19.02 | KatolaZ | then run |
19:19.06 | KatolaZ | apt-get update |
19:19.17 | KatolaZ | and then you should be able to install your rustc |
19:19.21 | KatolaZ | (in theory) |
19:19.22 | KatolaZ | :) |
19:19.24 | mwarning | k |
19:20.32 | mwarning | hm, it pulls a lot of dependent updates |
19:20.47 | KatolaZ | how much is "a lot"? |
19:20.50 | mwarning | won't it mess up my system |
19:21.01 | KatolaZ | mwarning: if you mix repos, you are alone ;) |
19:21.08 | mwarning | 58 upgraded, 73 newly installed, 11 to remove and 992 not upgraded. |
19:21.14 | KatolaZ | mmmmhhhh |
19:21.23 | KatolaZ | it's quite a number, tbh |
19:21.38 | gnarface | would have recommended building the source package |
19:21.51 | mwarning | ok, I will try to build it from sources |
19:22.00 | mwarning | sounds better |
19:22.17 | KatolaZ | 20:16 < KatolaZ> if it does not have too many deps, you can just pull the package source and rebuild maybe? |
19:22.20 | gnarface | mwarning: might mess up your system, yes. it's recommended to backport yourself, however if you've gotta back port all the dependencies too... well you'll still make a big mess, just a (probably) more stable one |
19:23.00 | gnarface | one trick to save time, check for *dependencies* in the backports repo too |
19:23.07 | grillon | hi there |
19:23.07 | KatolaZ | gnarface: maybe he does not need to backport the deps too... |
19:23.36 | KatolaZ | maybe the package would compile ok also with the libraries in jessie |
19:23.42 | gnarface | yes, maybe, worth a try |
19:23.50 | gnarface | but it's rust so... |
19:23.56 | gnarface | wouldn't hold my breath on that |
19:24.32 | grillon | I have started to use devuan. Very nice installation interface, quick to start. nice feeling :) |
19:25.02 | KatolaZ | hi grillon |
19:25.05 | gnarface | congrats, grillon. welcome aboard. |
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19:36.50 | bluemarlin | if i want to create a new package for devuan - is that done using dh or d1h |
19:37.27 | bluemarlin | (not importing from debian that is) |
19:37.28 | KatolaZ | bluemarlin: what do you mean by a new package for devuan? |
19:37.30 | KatolaZ | ok |
19:37.35 | KatolaZ | then you use dh as usual |
19:37.43 | KatolaZ | but you will need d1h afterwards |
19:38.02 | KatolaZ | d1h is just to automate and simplify the interaction with the Devuan build pipeline |
19:38.16 | KatolaZ | i.e., importing packages into the pipeline |
19:38.19 | KatolaZ | setting tags |
19:38.26 | KatolaZ | interacting with gbp-buildpackage |
19:38.28 | KatolaZ | and so on |
19:38.48 | KatolaZ | it's just a wrapper around several boring commands |
19:38.54 | bluemarlin | ahh - i see now. so if i decide to create something for private repo as well - then regular debian workflow is in place |
19:39.08 | KatolaZ | if you need to create a new package |
19:39.10 | KatolaZ | yes |
19:39.15 | KatolaZ | you do the usual dh_make |
19:39.16 | KatolaZ | then |
19:39.19 | KatolaZ | when the package is done |
19:39.24 | KatolaZ | you start using d1h |
19:39.31 | KatolaZ | to have it included in the devuan pipeline |
19:39.37 | bluemarlin | but for something pushed into public, i need to use d1h - so it interacts with the infrastructure |
19:39.39 | KatolaZ | adn to maintain it afterwards |
19:39.41 | bluemarlin | i got it |
19:39.44 | KatolaZ | yep |
19:39.48 | bluemarlin | thanks :) |
19:39.52 | KatolaZ | np |
19:40.04 | KatolaZ | bluemarlin: please shout if you need any help |
19:41.26 | bluemarlin | well to be honest - i've used dh before, but it's really a pain. I could use a guide as comprehensive as the one on d1h |
19:41.37 | bluemarlin | on forums :) |
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19:48.58 | bluemarlin | nevermind, debian did upgrade their wiki on that aspect. i haven't checked it for quite some time. |
19:53.28 | grillon | KatolaZ: hi |
19:53.36 | grillon | gnarface: thank you |
19:53.47 | grillon | sorry I was eating :p |
19:57.05 | DGMurdockIII | have you guys heard of Calamares? |
19:57.20 | zdzichu | like CEPH dashboard? |
19:57.27 | zdzichu | or the installer? |
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19:57.43 | DGMurdockIII | installer |
19:58.09 | DGMurdockIII | https://calamares.io/ |
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20:00.34 | RilloBiley | hello |
20:00.44 | bluemarlin | hi |
20:01.18 | RilloBiley | today I can report that my OS finally appears to be stable |
20:01.47 | RilloBiley | the flexing problem appears to be worsening, but eventually I can swap the hardware around and solve that issue |
20:02.22 | RilloBiley | the software's done a good job surviving the brutal auto shutdowns honestly |
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20:17.26 | gnarface | bluemarlin: if you want to just make quick&dirty packages for your own purposes from bare source tarballs that you aren't intending to share and don't need to be signed or properly tagged, etc, you can also just use checkinstall |
20:17.38 | gnarface | (it's a lot easier) |
20:18.01 | gnarface | (at least for sources that aren't already "debianized") |
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21:38.09 | bluemarlin | gnarface: thanks, i'll look at that. I've mostly used dh_make to generate the base folder, then manually setup files and finally use dpkg-buildpackage -b to make binary only pkg |
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22:53.18 | iio7 | I think there is something wrong with the embedded image "odroidxu.img.xz". Take a look at the size: http://devuan.ksx4system.net/devuan_jessie_rc/embedded/ |
22:54.50 | gnarface | heh |
22:55.52 | gnarface | uh ... KatolaZ i looked and that file is 348k... i know xz is awesome and all, but that can't be right, can it? |
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23:01.48 | gnarface | Centurion_Dan: do you know? |
23:01.55 | gnarface | jaromil ? |
23:02.22 | parazyd | oh |
23:02.31 | parazyd | isn't that strange |
23:03.40 | gnarface | it's not some sort of installer stub, is it? |
23:03.50 | gnarface | i can't imagine why the odroid would need to work differently than the others... |
23:03.50 | parazyd | i dunno what happened tbh |
23:04.00 | parazyd | will build a new one |
23:07.10 | parazyd | in the future i'll provide only one image for all the allwinner boards |
23:07.21 | parazyd | then just offer different u-boots for download |
23:07.33 | parazyd | much better |
23:07.37 | gnarface | hmm. i was wondering what makes them have to be different in the first place |
23:08.38 | parazyd | u-boot only |
23:08.49 | parazyd | but i haven't had time to streamline it in arm-sdk |
23:09.04 | parazyd | hopefully this week |
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23:37.07 | parazyd | gnarface: this better? |
23:37.09 | parazyd | :p |
23:37.22 | parazyd | hmm seems iio7 left |
23:38.38 | gnarface | he didn't stay long |
23:40.08 | parazyd | well let's hope this image is fine |
23:40.45 | parazyd | bbl |
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