IRC log for #devuan on 20170430

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00:14.31aitornnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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00:14.54aitornnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
00:15.11aitornnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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00:22.46djphhm, looks like he passed out on the keyboard.
00:23.36MinceRor like a cat wandered on the keyboard
00:24.04djphperhaps ... though I think a cat would've hit more than 'n'
00:24.13MinceR:)
00:24.18MinceRwell, they hit enter
00:24.22MinceRand a couple of other keys
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00:41.54XenguyHe's probably just nodding off, like any good developer
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01:18.15SpOOky_Where does devuan store the rc.conf file? It's not in /etc/rc.conf
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02:45.59lowee[m]it is for me, but it is openrc's config file for me
02:46.08lowee[m]do you have openrc installed?
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04:56.31gmcastilhaving a problem being able to run dumpcap as a regular user - added user to the wireshark group an permissions are -rwxr-xr-- 1 root wireshark 83K Mar 16 02:42 dumpcap
04:56.31gmcastil<PROTECTED>
04:58.13gmcastilverified that i'm added to the wireshark group too
05:15.02gnarfacerc.local is in the package 'initscripts' which isn't required
05:15.45gnarfaceat least that's where it used to be...
05:16.23gnarfacegmcastil: you remembered to log out and back in again, right?
05:16.42gmcastildo i have to log all the way out or just a new terminal?
05:17.04gnarfacei forget
05:17.09gnarfaceprobably the latter
05:17.25gmcastilsays i'm in the wireshark group thouhg - i'll try a different tty
05:17.34gnarfacebut remember Xorg itself counts as a terminal in that sense, so desktop apps launched directly would still inherit the old group
05:17.55gmcastilnope, you're right, needed to run a fresh login shell to get it to update
05:18.02gnarfaceold groups*
05:18.02gmcastil/usr/bin/dumpcap shows up in a different tty
05:18.11gmcastilthanks
05:18.21gnarfacenp
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06:05.24mchasardhi
06:15.23gmcastilhowdy - you need something?
06:16.22mchasardyes
06:17.16mchasardi have something strange under devuan arm mate concerning keyboard
06:18.00mchasardwhen i'm without gui crtl alt F1  , keyboard is azerty
06:18.41mchasardwhen i arrive to lightdm its qwerty even i could see at the rgiht button that the keyb is fr utf8
06:19.24mchasardso after login under mate , it stay in qwerty even the keyboard is configure as azerty and fr
06:19.50mchasardso is there a way to get my keyboard in azerty everywhere
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07:06.09mchasardupdate-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults
07:06.30mchasardi can't reconfigure keyb
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07:12.10sqrtmchasard: hi, if you run setxkbmap -query -display :0 on a tty when you don't have mate loaded, but lightdm is up, what does it say?
07:20.03mchasardsorry i didn't saw you answer
07:22.58sqrtshould I repeat it?
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07:23.55mchasard_sorry
07:23.57aitorgood morning
07:23.58mchasard_i4; here
07:24.20mchasard_i'm here
07:24.28aitorsorry, yes, an issue with the keyboard
07:24.30aitorsorry
07:24.37mchasard_tes
07:24.40mchasard_yes
07:24.59mchasard_i explained my troubles
07:25.20mchasard_keyb in tty is well in azerty
07:25.57mchasard_when i 'm under lightdm its in qwerty even i could see at the right up fr utf8
07:26.31mchasard_and same when a log under mate its in qwerty even i have a fr keyboard configured under mate
07:27.28sqrtmchasard: I think what lightdm shows as "fr utf8" is not keyboard layout, but locale you'll be loggin in with
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07:28.44mchasard_ok so is there a way to get azerty under lightdm and mate?
07:29.22mchasard_lightdm is not really a trouble for me cause my password pass through qwerty same way
07:29.50mchasard_note that i'm under devuan arm
07:29.54mchasard_pi3
07:30.47sqrtdo you have /etc/X11/xorg.conf? I think adding Option "XkbLayout" "fr" into it should help
07:31.15sqrtin the InputClass section that correspons to the keyboard
07:32.28mchasard_i can't see no xorg.conf file
07:32.38mchasard_should i create it ?
07:33.06sqrtyou can generate it by running X -configure
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07:33.56mchasard_sorry
07:34.11sqrtyou can generate it by running X -configure
07:34.21mchasard_so no xorg.conf file
07:34.23sqrtyeah
07:35.26mchasard_i launc this command X -configure?
07:35.49mchasard_just generate not changing anything ?
07:36.13sqrtyes, run X -configure as root, it will create file /root/xorg.conf.new, in which you can add that option
07:36.23sqrtand then put it into /etc/X11x/xorg.conf
07:36.32mchasard_Fatal server error:
07:36.33mchasard_(EE) Server is already active for display 0
07:36.33mchasard_If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock
07:36.33mchasard_and start again.
07:36.54Helleheh, just realised I am going to install my first machine with devuan from day 1 today
07:37.03Helleall other machines started out as Debian
07:37.18sqrtmchasard_: stop lightdm for a time being
07:37.28sqrtservice lightdm stop
07:37.48mchasard_ok i stop it
07:38.06sqrtnow X -configure should pass
07:38.23mchasard_ok
07:38.39sqrtdo you have /root/xorg.conf.new file now?
07:39.41mchasard_no xorg.conf created
07:40.06mchasard_after X -configure
07:41.35mchasard_List of video drivers:
07:41.35mchasard_fbdev
07:41.35mchasard_modesetting
07:41.35mchasard_No devices to configure.  Configuration failed.
07:41.35mchasard_(EE) Server terminated with error (2). Closing log file.
07:42.49sqrthm, that's weird
07:42.56mchasard_yeah lol
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07:48.49sqrtmchasard: still here?
07:48.54mchasardyes
07:49.06mchasardi'm back after a reboot
07:51.33sqrtI have another idea, unfortunately, it is ugly, but you can try adding line "greeter-setup-script=setkxbmap fr" in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf at [SeatDefaults] section
07:52.17sqrtand then restart lightdm
07:52.28mchasardok i try
07:53.22mchasardwhich section ?
07:54.05sqrt[SeatDefaults]
07:54.20sqrtif you don't have it, just add it
07:55.15mchasardi have it ..
07:55.27mchasardso i delete # before
07:55.54sqrtyes, if you have it, you can just uncomment it
07:56.18mchasardok done
07:56.33mchasardso i have to stop lightdm
07:57.01sqrtjust run service lightdm restart on a tty
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08:09.00mchasardhi
08:09.03mchasardagain
08:10.14mchasardi'm under another device cause the change cause the fact that i can't  reach lightdm  now and nogui
08:10.37mchasardand if iwant to edit and cahnge lightdm.conf
08:10.56mchasardidon'thave right its only readable
08:11.35mchasardicansee the changes but cant modify to be back
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08:12.56mchasardi was talking with a guy don't remember his name sorry
08:13.09sqrt_hm, I'm very sorry, I made a mistake, that should be greeter-setup-script=setxkbmap fr
08:13.24sqrt_I think that's the reason why it doesn't start now
08:13.48mchasardhow could i make this lightdm file writable ?
08:14.00mchasardeven as root its only readable
08:14.19sqrt_chmod +w  /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
08:16.46mchasardchangingmermissionsof     read onlyfilesystem
08:18.07sqrt_hm, that sounds weird. Did you reboot the device?
08:18.22mchasardafter the chmod ?
08:18.47mchasardyes
08:19.03sqrt_no, I mean after changing the setting in lightdm.conf and finding out that lightdm doesn't start
08:19.32mchasardyes
08:19.52mchasardi reboot it
08:21.44sqrt_well, it seems like it booted with read-only root. It can be fixed with mount / -o remount,rw
08:21.49mchasardi can't change right to writable
08:22.08sqrt_but why the hell it did boot read only after all
08:22.38sqrt_can you reboot again and check if it still unwritalbe?
08:22.55mchasardi just done it and its same
08:23.33mchasard'/ -o remount,rw ?
08:23.46mchasardhow should i enter this command ?
08:23.53sqrt_mount / -o remount,rw
08:24.42sqrt_but I think it would be better to just reboot and see if that read-only state persists
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08:25.17mchasardok cannot remount /dev/mmcblkOp2is write protect
08:25.30mchasardok i reboot
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08:28.26mchasardi reboot butit seems ican't access no wayeven in tty
08:29.58mchasardok i'm under tty
08:30.25sqrt_is the file writable now?
08:30.48mchasardno
08:31.59mchasardchmod command return me read onlyfilesystem
08:32.36mchasardshould i have to reinstall all ?
08:32.58sqrt_that is so weird
08:33.05mchasardyes hum
08:33.15KatolaZmchasard: reinstalling is not the solution, normally
08:33.16sqrt_no, but you should check your sd card
08:33.25mchasardno way to make this file writable ?
08:34.00mchasardmy sdcard ?
08:34.03KatolaZmchasard: what is the problem?
08:34.07sqrt_I think the reason it is not writeable is that fsck found filesystem errors on it
08:34.42KatolaZsqrt_: if it's /, fsck would have stopped on boot
08:34.51KatolaZand propose a rescue console
08:35.46KatolaZmchasard: can you explain the problem in one line?
08:35.54KatolaZthre are three hours of logs...
08:35.57mchasardok
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08:36.23mchasardi just have  at the begining an qwerty trouble at gui
08:36.46mchasardso lightdm and mate return meonly qwertyinstead azerty
08:37.03mchasardso wehave edit the lightdm.conf
08:37.26mchasardbut wth en error
08:37.31KatolaZso reinstalling will not solve your problem
08:37.50mchasardafter that restart lightdm and lightdmfile is readable only
08:37.59mchasardto be back
08:38.22KatolaZwell, just "chmod u+w"
08:38.47sqrt_KatolaZ: we started to fix lightdm config, but now system somehow mounts filesystems as read only :/
08:39.09mchasardit dosn't work
08:39.41KatolaZmchasard: ....a bit more verbose...
08:40.19mchasardsorry?
08:41.26mchasardso i'm blocked
08:41.53KatolaZmchasard: where?
08:42.19KatolaZwhere are you blocked?
08:42.32KatolaZyou know, via IRC we don't see your screen :)
08:44.04mchasardwhen i reboot it could reach lightdm like before
08:44.14mchasardso i'm under tty
08:44.44mchasardthe lightdm.conf file is not correct now cause we enter a bad command
08:45.10mchasardits why now lightdm could not be reached
08:45.37KatolaZmchasard: "the lightdm.conf file is not correct now" means...
08:45.46KatolaZ(I am trying to help...)
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08:46.44mchasardthat at the  line greeter-setup-script= we add setkxbmap fr instead setxkbmap fr
08:46.56KatolaZso just remove that line
08:46.59KatolaZor comment it
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08:47.08KatolaZor put it as it was before
08:47.12mchasardand it could be modify due to this file which isonlyreadable
08:47.37sqrt_KatolaZ: at first we tried to fix lightdm config. Unfortunately I suggested wrong line, and now *for some reason* root filesystem is mounted read only. I doubt that latter is the consequence of the former, but...
08:47.40mchasardi know that i should do that
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08:49.28KatolaZmchasard: "chmod u+w whateverfile"
08:49.51KatolaZsqrt_: no user can force a fs to be remounted ro...
08:50.06KatolaZmchasard: "mount"
08:50.44sqrt_KatolaZ: yeah, that's why I doubt that
08:52.37mchasardother file are also readable only
08:53.01mchasardunder tty
08:53.10mchasardunder gui i could change it
08:53.47mchasardstrange it not only the lightdm.conf file
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08:54.28KatolaZmchasard: ???????
08:54.34mchasardyes ?
08:54.45KatolaZwhat do you mean by "are readable only under tty"???
08:55.02mchasardi can access only ontty
08:55.20KatolaZmchasard: mount
08:55.34KatolaZ(what does the "mount" command say?)
08:55.40mchasardso chmod command could be done cause files are only readable not writable
08:55.56KatolaZmchasard: mount
08:55.58mchasardcould notbe done sorry
08:56.15mchasardhow to preceed ?
08:56.31KatolaZwhat does it mean "could not be done"?
08:56.41KatolaZhas the boot finished?
08:56.51mchasardit return to me read only file system
08:58.11KatolaZmchasard: are you root now?
08:58.15mchasardyes
08:58.22KatolaZmount -o remount,rw /
08:59.42mchasardcannot remount dev is write protected
09:00.07KatolaZso the problem is in your flash
09:00.19KatolaZ(it's an arm device, right?)
09:00.24mchasardyes
09:00.33KatolaZso the problem is probably in your flash
09:00.42mchasardok so i have to reflash
09:00.49KatolaZbut I still dunno whether you are in a maintenance console
09:00.55KatolaZhas the boot finished?
09:01.05mchasardi just reboot it
09:01.08KatolaZok
09:01.32mchasardlightdm is launced
09:01.42mchasardbut it could be launched
09:02.35mchasardext4-fs mmcblk0p2  remountingfilesystem read-only
09:02.52mchasardno dam platform data
09:03.03mchasardand it stopped here
09:03.19mchasardthe processeisnot finished
09:03.23mchasardto reboot
09:05.32KatolaZmchasard: you have problems woth your flash, probably...
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09:06.51mchasardok thanks
09:07.48mchasardbut all was working before that
09:17.02Enrico_MenottiGood morning. Seems git.devuan.org is not working. It's very slow, and I'm unable to get a confirmation email.
09:21.36bluemarlinEnrico_Menotti: KatolaZ says they will migrate it, it's temporary :)
09:21.48KatolaZEnrico_Menotti: we are migrating it
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09:22.20Enrico_MenottiOk, meanwhile, how to look at source code? By downloading it?
09:22.52bluemarlinEnrico_Menotti: for me git.devuan.org is slow, but it finished eventually - just more patience i guess?
09:23.11bluemarlingo make a coffee and try again maybe? :)
09:23.20Enrico_Menottibluemarlin Also here it finished eventually, but I did not get the confirmation email.
09:24.51bluemarlinsome of the repos are public - for example artwork can be downloaded without account
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09:36.10RilloBileygood news everyone!
09:36.24RilloBileyI took a nap and found the laptop was broke again
09:36.34bluemarlinlol
09:36.54RilloBileyexcept this time the boot sequence doesn't finish and there's no way I can input commands from here
09:37.17RilloBileyI need grub commands to boot into terminal, rather than startx
09:38.06bluemarlindo you at least know why it won't boot? You know if it's 'Operating system not found' type of not booting, or something else :)
09:41.54RilloBileyThe operating system is there
09:42.04RilloBileystartx slim, is the problem
09:42.37RilloBileyI'm left looking at a blinking cursor from the login sequence
09:48.56bluemarlinand changing TTY doesn't work? ( CTRL+ALT+F2 for example )
09:49.44RilloBileyok advanced options safe mode, when you enter root password (instead of ctrl+d) manages to boot into terminal
09:50.10RilloBileystartx openbox-session leads to "xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused"
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09:52.07RilloBileyahh I've found a clue
09:52.32RilloBileyI will type it all into a pastebin, hold on
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10:03.11RilloBileyok this is the problem: https://pastebin.com/26aCD5t4
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10:13.43RilloBileyok I think I fixed it with bleachbit -c --preset
10:13.53RilloBileybut can anyone tell me why /var is filling up?
10:14.20RilloBileyI take a nap, wake up and my computer has switched off, reboot, and... again /var is full
10:14.27RilloBileyno gui
10:15.10DusXMTIs it mounted read/write?
10:15.38DusXMTMany "rescue mode"s for UNIXy systems leave the root partition read-only
10:16.02DusXMTyou can make it read/write with: # mount -o remount,rw / (or possibly /var if that's on a separate partition)
10:16.37DusXMT(but at that point, I don't think fstab entries are parsed? in that case, /var wouldn't even be mounted probably if it was a separate partition)
10:16.42RilloBileyI'm confident that I could reboot now and get read/write privileges back to how they were
10:17.03RilloBileyi.e normal boot should be fine now
10:17.11RilloBileybut var will fill up again and then I'll have to do this again
10:17.25RilloBileyI need to know why /var is filling up
10:17.37DusXMTis /var a separate partition?
10:17.39fsmithredfilling up with what?
10:17.43RilloBileyyes I think so
10:17.52fsmithredfdisk -l
10:17.53DusXMTYou need to discover what's filling it up, just look around
10:18.00fsmithreddu -sh /var
10:18.07fsmithredsorry -Sh
10:19.01DusXMTFor my tablet, dpkg started syslog in a devuan chroot and a message was generated every time I touched the touch screen, so I quickly filled up my devuan partition with kernel logs there :3
10:19.14DusXMT(during an update)
10:22.58fsmithredhow big is the partition?
10:23.21DusXMTRilloBiley: ^
10:25.00RilloBileynot very big, I think 3GB or so?
10:25.17DusXMTRilloBiley: df -h /var
10:25.25RilloBileyI see /spool, /lib & /log in /var, but nothing stands out really
10:26.09RilloBileysize 2.7, used 2.3, available 283M use 90%
10:26.50RilloBileywhere did the 417M go?
10:27.15fsmithredwhat 417?
10:28.01RilloBiley2.3G + 283M + 417M = 2.7G
10:28.10RilloBiley417M is "unavailable"
10:28.28RilloBileyalso it still doesn't explain what's using all of the space
10:28.35DusXMTRilloBiley: du -sh /var/*
10:28.48RilloBileymost files in /var are a few Kb
10:29.02RilloBileyvirtualbox uses it somewhat
10:29.03fsmithredapt cache full?
10:29.44RilloBileyit possibly isn't full now because I just ran bleachbit so it'd boot
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10:30.35RilloBileyneedless to say, I'll be looking up solutions to "/var is full" and looking up some ways to keep apt-cache in check
10:30.43RilloBileyI want it to auto-empty, if it's going to be pulling this shit
10:30.51DusXMTStill, 2.3G is a good bit, compared to my 436M
10:31.15RilloBileyI don't know what it uses this for. Software-wise I'm an idiot
10:31.17DusXMTRilloBiley: "apt-get clean" gets rid of downloaded package archives, which accumulate over time
10:31.28RilloBileyhardware I've got a bit of a shot at understanding
10:31.36DusXMTif "du -sh /var/*" would show a big number for /var/cache, then that's it
10:33.42RilloBileyonce I solve the full /var problem I might then be able to diagnose the random shutdowns
10:33.57RilloBileyall fun n' games
10:34.08DusXMTRilloBiley: Could you _please_ run that command? It'd likely give you a hint
10:34.27DusXMT(in finding out why it keeps getting full)
10:34.32RilloBileyI'm looking in there. The largest file is 15M
10:34.48RilloBileymost are 4.0Kb. /cache/ is not very big
10:34.59DusXMTWhat is the total size?
10:35.14RilloBileydoes du -sh /var tell you that?
10:35.38DusXMTyes
10:35.41DusXMTbut with /*
10:35.45DusXMTor perhaps different arguments
10:36.28RilloBileywell it said earlier: 2.7 size, 2.3 used, 283MB left
10:36.35fsmithreddu -Sh | sort -h
10:36.41RilloBileyok
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10:36.57DusXMTand just to be sure, df and du aren't the same
10:37.59RilloBileydu -Sh | sort -h is not specific to /var
10:38.34RilloBileyok, /var/log is 2.1GB
10:39.07fsmithreddid you create any custom log files?
10:39.18RilloBileyand /var/lib/dpkg/info is 63MB, and /var/log/installer/cdebconf is 15MB
10:39.40RilloBileyafter that it's mostly virtualbox
10:40.00RilloBileyerm.. why would I create custom log files?
10:40.11RilloBileyor how?
10:40.18fsmithredto keep track of something
10:40.32RilloBileyI have no recollection of such
10:40.40fsmithredok, you would remember
10:41.11fsmithredlike if you wrote a script to do something automatically and you wanted to check what it did
10:41.31fsmithredyou might have it record in a log file
10:41.33RilloBiley>implying I have any idea what I'm doing
10:41.42fsmithredlol
10:41.49RilloBileyyour os is good, but you have not made it idiot-proof :(
10:42.23RilloBileyI don't even play with scripts. software bugs me
10:42.28DusXMTwould "du -sh /var/log/*" in that case and see which files are the largest, the -s options makes it only evaluate command-line arguments and not go recursively, useful for a light overview
10:42.29fsmithredwell, if you ever do that, make sure you find out about logrotate, which keeps your logs from overrunning /var
10:42.55RilloBileyI will make a note of it
10:43.18RilloBileyI'm pretty sure this has happened before on other OSes, though I've never had it fail to boot because of it
10:45.16DPAI usually just mount /var/log, so if it fills up nothing breaks. Except on servers, where I have a dedicated rsyslog server.
10:45.24RilloBileyok /var/log/daemon.log is the 2.1GB file
10:47.08DusXMT"tail -n80 /var/log/daemon" to give you an idea on what program is spasming out
10:47.19DusXMT*daemon.log
10:48.04RilloBileya lot of info in there
10:49.10RilloBileya lot of wpa supplicant interface info in there
10:49.23RilloBileyif I switch to the other machine i can copy paste
10:50.20fsmithredis there a daemon.log.1 also?
10:51.28fsmithredbrb
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10:53.05RilloBiley1ok, here is daemon.log https://pastebin.com/SaiH2UyS
10:56.29RilloBiley1I forget how to tell nickserv I want to change
10:56.40DocScrutinizer05LOL, network manager and wpa supplicant
10:56.44RilloBiley1I shall now be known as RilloBiley1 ^.^
10:56.49DocScrutinizer05/nick
10:57.20DocScrutinizer05/nick RilloBiley
10:57.52RilloBileyamazingaru!
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10:58.15DocScrutinizer05RilloBiley: for a start:  ">/var/log/daemon.log"
10:58.27DocScrutinizer05literally, without the "
10:59.00RilloBileywut?
10:59.03DocScrutinizer05^^^ resets size of /var/log/daemon.log to 0 bytes
10:59.27RilloBileyit will keep happening though until I fix it
10:59.45DocScrutinizer05yes, you need to kill wpasupplicant and networkmanager
11:00.36DocScrutinizer05and eventually fix their config, or whatever causes the problem
11:01.41RilloBileythey both run at the same time, don't like each other and briefly cause some connection issues
11:01.57RilloBileythen again, I think wpa supplicant was causing log messages even before I installed networkmanager
11:02.56DocScrutinizer05let's start with what it suggests:  Apr 30 11:48:26 devuan wpa_supplicant[4662]: Delete '/run/wpa_supplicant/wlan0' manually if it is not used anymore
11:03.17RilloBileydevuan--vg-var  2.7G  219M  2.4G   9% /var hahaha
11:03.26DocScrutinizer05oh well, network manager known to not work on devuan
11:03.38RilloBileysomebody fixed it in backports
11:03.45DocScrutinizer05o.O
11:03.46RilloBileysomehow I grabbed it, I forget
11:03.52RilloBileyI wanted it to set up VPNs more easily
11:04.01RilloBileynetworkmanager has an interface for this
11:04.39DocScrutinizer05anyway NM is your culprit. it tries to start wpa_supplicant which finally fails
11:04.57RilloBileybecause wicd is already running it?
11:05.04RilloBileyI want to turn wicd off, really
11:05.06DocScrutinizer05possibly
11:05.19DocScrutinizer05even likely
11:05.36fsmithredls -lh /var/log/daemon.log.1
11:05.44DocScrutinizer05>>You may have another wpa_supplicant process already running or the file was#012left by an unclean termination of wpa_supplicant in which case you will need#012to manually remove this file before starting wpa_supplicant again<<
11:05.55RilloBileythe "ohh it seems to work so I'll do it later" attitude
11:06.32DocScrutinizer05fsmithred: https://pastebin.com/SaiH2UyS
11:06.38RilloBileyNo such file or directory for daemon.log.1
11:06.49RilloBileyI didn't see it taking up space either, looking in the list
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11:07.12fsmithredlog file should get archived before it gets too big
11:07.42DocScrutinizer05fsmithred: onle once per day if logrotet is what you refer to
11:07.53DocScrutinizer05logrotate
11:08.11DocScrutinizer05or maybe hourly, depending on config
11:08.11fsmithredyeah
11:08.14FerviDebian still sucks:
11:08.14Fervi- Install Debian
11:08.15Fervi- Remove systemd
11:08.15Fervi- Install snapd (it used systemd, but it wasn't install)
11:08.15Fervi- Install Xfce4 - it install systemd
11:08.28RilloBileyso... is this why this happens when I leave the laptop on while I take a nap?
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11:08.37RilloBileyI wake up 4 hours later and it's switched itself off
11:08.49fsmithredyeah
11:08.51DocScrutinizer05yes
11:09.07RilloBileyoh good! that was really annoying
11:09.14RilloBiley2 birds, one shotgun
11:09.30DocScrutinizer05kill -9 3349 4662 (if you didn't reboot since pasting the log)
11:09.41RilloBileykill what now?
11:10.12DocScrutinizer05or killall -s 9 wpa_supplicant; killall -s 9 NetworkManager
11:10.27RilloBileyif I kill both, I'll probably disappear off IRC
11:10.39RilloBileyI'm hoping if I just kill wicd, I'll stick around
11:10.48RilloBileyalso, it'll solve the problem
11:11.00DocScrutinizer05start with:  killall -s 9 NetworkManager
11:11.13RilloBileybut that's the one I eventually want kept
11:11.24fsmithredservice wicd stop?
11:11.32DocScrutinizer05then kill what you want to get rid of
11:11.40DocScrutinizer05what fsmithred says
11:11.49fsmithredand then apt-get remove wicd
11:12.04RilloBileycan't I keep it but remove the auto-start?
11:12.05DocScrutinizer05and do a  ">/var/log/daemon.log"
11:12.11fsmithredyes
11:12.25RilloBileyok
11:12.28fsmithredupdate-rc.d -f wicd remove
11:12.29fsmithredI think
11:12.46fsmithredor use sysv-rc-conf
11:13.08RilloBileyI'm still online, so stopping it was ok
11:13.27RilloBileystill here? yep? good...
11:13.31fsmithredyes
11:14.22RilloBileyyet when I click on networkmanagers taskbar icon, it says "device not ready" for wlan
11:14.47DocScrutinizer05did you clean the /var/log/daemon.log ?
11:15.12RilloBileyyeah, it's 9% instead of 90% full now
11:15.21DocScrutinizer05also do `rm -f /run/wpa_supplicant/wlan0`
11:15.55RilloBileythe apostrophes aren't part of that, right?
11:15.59DocScrutinizer05right
11:17.22RilloBileycool networkmanager seems to be behaving properly now
11:17.27DocScrutinizer05then check content of /var/log/daemon.log, by using tail command like you already did
11:18.47DocScrutinizer05your analysis was right: both wicd and NM try to start wpa_supplicant, but it can't get started twice
11:19.19DocScrutinizer05at least that's what I conclude from what been shown here. Didn't check it
11:20.14fsmithrednm does not play well with others
11:20.33DocScrutinizer05wpa_supplicant in turn leaves a 'cookie file' /run/wpa_supplicant/wlan0 that forbids it to start a second instance
11:21.16DocScrutinizer05it *should* remove that file when quitting, but doesn't when it gets killed
11:21.59DocScrutinizer05reboot cleans out /run/* but then your init script started wicd again and so a new cookie been created
11:22.12DocScrutinizer05there ge goes
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11:25.24DocScrutinizer05fsmithred: s/ with others//
11:26.03fsmithredlol
11:28.16DocScrutinizer05I'm worried about RilloBiley not showing up again. Seems to prove my last comment ;-)
11:29.39DocScrutinizer05I don't think tearing down wicd and starting NM would prove the network config is working in NM. It prolly just keeps the established connection
11:31.17DocScrutinizer05or would a update-rc.d -f wicd remove tear down connections? hardly
11:31.41fsmithredno, just symlinks
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11:31.56fsmithredhere he is
11:32.00DocScrutinizer05\o/
11:32.05RilloBileyand just like that I'm back :P
11:32.16DocScrutinizer05via wicd or NM, that's the question
11:32.27RilloBileyconnection was lost from networkmanager spazzing out telling me I don't have authentication, when I checked, and I do
11:32.49RilloBileyso I rebooted and networkmanager loaded quicker than usual, but then wicd turned up again
11:32.55RilloBileyhe's not dead!
11:33.22DocScrutinizer05and here I'm out
11:33.32RilloBileyI can show you the log of whatever file I was told to check before I lost connection
11:33.48fsmithreddid you disable wicd with update-rc.d?
11:34.35RilloBileywith the first one you told me, whatever command that was
11:34.39RilloBileyhttps://pastebin.com/ACpD6U62
11:36.06RilloBileyI told wicd to close again
11:36.11DocScrutinizer05you need to config wlan access to that AP/network, via network manager
11:36.13RilloBileywe'll see what happens
11:36.43DocScrutinizer05and no idea how wicd comes in here
11:36.59DocScrutinizer05is out again, no useful info to share
11:39.14RilloBileywait wait, was I supposed to run update-rc.d?
11:39.39DocScrutinizer05yes, once
11:39.41RilloBileyI did do "root@devuan:/home/main# update-rc.d -f wicd remove"
11:39.41DocScrutinizer05you did
11:39.57DocScrutinizer05aah yes, that
11:40.06DocScrutinizer05all ok from that side, afaict
11:40.18fsmithredis wicd in your desktop startup apps?
11:40.19DocScrutinizer05>>wlan0: SME: Trying to authenticate with c4:3d:c7:3d:52:0b (SSID='virginmedia8008157' freq=2437 MHz)<<  looks good
11:40.33DPADid you reboot before or after that?
11:40.40RilloBileyI've still got a connection so far, wicd isn't running
11:40.50DocScrutinizer05>>wlan0: Associated with c4:3d:c7:3d:52:0b<< looks even better
11:40.50RilloBileybut it did load on startup
11:41.24DocScrutinizer05then it bails out with >>wlan0: CTRL-EVENT-SSID-TEMP-DISABLED id=0 ssid="virginmedia8008157" auth_failures=1 duration=10 reason=CONN_FAILED<<
11:42.00RilloBileynot happening now, tho
11:42.53RilloBileyI could risk uninstalling wicd now, but I want a backup (not in use) while networkmanager is still not trusted by most of the users here
11:43.49DocScrutinizer05"update-rc.d -f wicd remove" run once *should* suffice for all I can tell
11:44.03DocScrutinizer05no need to uninstall it
11:44.19RilloBileyI did it before, but I think it comes back
11:44.51RilloBileyI don't know how devuan handles desktop startup apps
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11:45.36DocScrutinizer05chmod -v -x `which wicd`
11:45.48DocScrutinizer05dirty but effective
11:46.40RilloBileyahem* wicd network manager tray is in lxsession...
11:46.51RilloBileyI'll just go ahead and untick that
11:47.26DocScrutinizer05yeah that explains a lot :-)
11:48.17DocScrutinizer05then do `rm -f /run/wpa_supplicant/wlan0` again, just for good measure. Then reboot
11:49.01RilloBileythis may break my connection, but what the hell. It should fix itself on reboot, and if it doesn't I'll begrudgingly launch wicd again
11:49.23DocScrutinizer05exactly
11:49.50RilloBileysoon as this minute and a half song finishes I'll get right on it :)
11:50.19DocScrutinizer05good luck! o/
11:50.41RilloBileyoooooh I don't want.. aanybody else..
11:50.53RilloBileyI TOUCH MYSELF
11:51.27RilloBileyand guess what? It's a cover of the original, so it's not Copyright Song BMG Tm Do not steal*
11:51.40RilloBileyk, brb
11:52.57DocScrutinizer05fsmithred: maybe you should write in ALL CAPITALS, you had the solution 12 minutes ago :-)
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11:53.41fsmithredbeen there, done that
11:53.46DocScrutinizer05hehe
11:53.57fsmithredthe logrotate thing, too
11:54.30DocScrutinizer05logrotate is a bitch, rotated out a 12k size wtmp to *.xz for me
11:54.37fsmithredmade my own log for something and forgot that it shouldn't keep getting bigger forever
11:55.24DocScrutinizer05takes some love and patience to tweak logrottate to only swap files larger than a certain size
11:56.35DocScrutinizer05newbie:~ # l /var/log/wt*
11:56.36DocScrutinizer05-rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp   768 Apr 30 09:45 /var/log/wtmp
11:56.38DocScrutinizer05-rw-rw-r-- 1 root utmp 14676 Apr 29 17:38 /var/log/wtmp-20170429.xz
11:56.39DocScrutinizer05LOL
11:57.14DocScrutinizer05then you go "WTF where went my login logs?"
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11:58.03DocScrutinizer05and then even .xz compressed so you can't do a `last -f /var/log/wtmp-20170429.xz`
11:58.04fsmithredyeah, they fill up quick
11:58.08RilloBileytell me the last two commands again please
11:58.21RilloBileywicd appeared again, I found it in a separate startup thing
11:58.22fsmithredcommands for what?
11:58.30fsmithredapt-get install sysv-rc-conf
11:58.38RilloBileyremove wicd from startup, run wpa supplicant
11:58.57DocScrutinizer05chmod -v -x `which wicd`
11:59.05DocScrutinizer05brute force
11:59.12fsmithredthat's nasty
11:59.16DocScrutinizer05indeed
11:59.19DocScrutinizer05;-P
11:59.24fsmithredbut I used to do that with gdm
11:59.26RilloBileyjust do the previous two again
11:59.36RilloBileyI think it will work this time
11:59.47fsmithredyou're in lxde?
11:59.49RilloBileyturned out there was more than one application controlling what starts in lxsession
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12:00.01aitorhi
12:00.06DocScrutinizer05lo aitor
12:00.08fsmithredI think there's a .desktop file in an autostart dir
12:00.11fsmithredhi aitor
12:00.19RilloBiley'Desktop Session Settings' and 'Default applications for LXsession'
12:00.35fsmithredremove wicd from there
12:00.38RilloBileyI looked in the latter, wicd was also hiding in the former
12:00.53DocScrutinizer05yay
12:00.55fsmithredaitor, what's the verdict? Did you fall asleep at keyboard, or was your cat talking to us?
12:01.10DocScrutinizer05LOL
12:01.11RilloBileyohh look he's ticked *again*
12:01.12aitorlol
12:01.38RilloBileyevery time I close the program and go back in, wicd is there
12:01.47DocScrutinizer05nasty
12:02.20aitori fall asleep, that's the truth
12:02.39fsmithredI believe you
12:02.56DocScrutinizer05so go with chmod -v -x `which wicd` for now, which blocks anybody starting it. can revert that with chmod -v +x <path/to/wicd>`
12:03.40DPAI think this happend: https://xkcd.com/1530/
12:03.49aitorbut with the nose over the "n", not over the "ñ"
12:03.51RilloBileyfucking unbelievable
12:04.53RilloBileyran the stupid desktop session settings as root, wicd still comes back
12:05.21RilloBileytime to manually delete from lxsession-default-apps.desktop
12:06.05DPAwhy not just apt-get remove?
12:06.40DocScrutinizer05because that's not fixing the root issue?
12:08.10aitortoday i sent an email to old friends...
12:08.23aitorbulmages :)
12:09.59DocScrutinizer05HexChat shouldn't allow for send buffers of arbitrary length. A maybe 4 continuation posts should be maximum
12:10.22RilloBileyok screw it I'm doing chmod
12:10.47DocScrutinizer05go ahead! :-) remember the full path as displayed
12:11.13RilloBileyI have no idea what that did
12:11.37RilloBileymode of ‘/usr/sbin/wicd’ changed from 0755 (rwxr-xr-x) to 0644 (rw-r--r--)
12:11.39fsmithredmade wicd non-executable
12:12.13fsmithredman chmod to learn the secret code in those numbers
12:12.33DocScrutinizer05is temped to suggest cp `which wicd` /tmp/; ln -s `which xeyes` `which wicd`
12:12.49fsmithredlol
12:12.51aitorwicd-gtk depends on dbus
12:12.57DocScrutinizer05r=4 w=2 x=1
12:13.10DocScrutinizer05User Group Others
12:13.41aitorsee you, time to eat
12:13.46fsmithredthe secret is out
12:13.59fsmithredbye aitor
12:13.59DocScrutinizer05so 644 = u:rw- g:r-- o:r--
12:14.01aitor:)
12:14.38DocScrutinizer05rEAD wRITE xECUTE
12:15.09RilloBileyok well for the purposes of experimentation and inquiry, I'm rebooting again
12:15.17RilloBileybrb
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12:16.44DPABinary: rwx to octal: 4*r+2*w+x
12:18.13fsmithred43?
12:19.05DPAAssuming r w and x are eithr 0 or 1
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12:19.45RilloBileyok now the taskbar program is gone but I still get a warning message about it
12:20.00DocScrutinizer05http://paste.ubuntu.com/24485591  LOL
12:20.10RilloBileyThe '/usr/sbin/wicd' program was started with the privileges of the root user without the need to ask for a password, due to your system's authentication mechanism setup.  It is possible that you are being allowed to run specific programs as user root without the need for a password, or that the password is cached.
12:20.53RilloBileyit's right, the password *is* cached
12:21.04RilloBileybut erm.. it shouldnt be running
12:21.10DocScrutinizer05indeed
12:24.07fsmithredall I did was turn off wicd in the default apps autostart list and turn off the daemon with updat-rc.d, and wicd is not running after reboot, and no warning.
12:24.16fsmithredthis is lxde in a vm
12:24.32fsmithredI didn't remove the .desktop file
12:24.45fsmithred(but I have gotten that warning in the past)
12:25.19fsmithredthe daemon should not be starting
12:25.29fsmithredinstall sysv-rc-conf and run it. You will like it.
12:25.36fsmithredbrb
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12:26.14fsmithredarrow keys, space bar, and q
12:31.40DocScrutinizer05indeed :-)
12:31.59fsmithredyou just tried it?
12:32.05DocScrutinizer05yup
12:32.08DocScrutinizer05nice
12:32.13RilloBileywhat is?
12:32.22fsmithredSYSV-RC-CONF
12:32.26DocScrutinizer05almost as nice as yast ;-P
12:32.28fsmithredbut lower case
12:32.30fsmithredlol
12:32.36fsmithredinetd?
12:32.43fsmithredI did like that.
12:33.08fsmithrednice to be able to turn services on and off when you're a noob.
12:33.43DocScrutinizer05yep, like yast. Made me forget how to do things right ;-)
12:34.12DocScrutinizer05adduser err useradd I'm totally lost
12:34.31fsmithredadduser in debian
12:34.39fsmithredI mean $debian
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12:46.11DocScrutinizer05https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YaST#YaST4Debian  ;-D
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13:19.20fsmithredCasa! Yay!
13:20.28fsmithredanyone here adept at changing language/locale? Am I doing anything bad by putting 'export LC_ALL=<some locale code>' in .bashrc and .xsessionrc?
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13:40.03DPAI think it shouldn't cause any problems. Just make sure you have selected the required locales with "dpkg-reconfigure locales". You may want to also change the LANG environment variable and check the settings by using the locale command.
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13:49.44fsmithredthanks. This is for a live iso, so adding locales=<locale-code> to the boot command configures that locale.
13:50.02fsmithredjust was having trouble getting it to actually change the language
13:54.17DocScrutinizer05hmm, I just learned there's a lcoale-gen that is new to me
13:54.36DPAWouldn't it be better in /etc/profile.d then? You could place a script there which checks /proc/cmdline
13:56.30DocScrutinizer05ROTFL *headdesk* http://paste.ubuntu.com/24486071
13:57.52DocScrutinizer05cackles hysterically while heading out
13:58.02fsmithredDPA, I always forget the difference between putting stuff in profile vs. bashrc
13:58.42DocScrutinizer05to start with, bashrc is for bash only (though messybox also reads it >:-[  )
13:58.49fsmithredthere's a hook script that runs with live-config, and that parses the command line
13:58.57fsmithredoh
13:59.01fsmithredgood point
13:59.10fsmithredwell
13:59.28fsmithredthe live cd uses bash, so if someone wants to change it, they can change everything
14:00.12DocScrutinizer05as a general rule I put stuff that isn't shell specific into profile
14:01.49fsmithredmake sense
14:04.36Enrico_MenottiI tried to re-build sysvinit from the sources. Used ARCH=arm and CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-eabi-. It complains about libcrypt missing. From some googling, it seems this lib is included in the arm-linux-gnueabi cross compiler. How to get it in my case?
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14:37.29DocScrutinizer05why does xfce have a cheesy screensaver configured?
14:38.19DocScrutinizer05this type of screensaver doesn't help anything nowadays really
14:39.21Liekebecause the xfce mascot is a mouse?
14:39.40DocScrutinizer05actually it never did, except maybe from avoiding exposing confidential screen content to casual lurkers when you're leaving your workstation unattended without locking it
14:41.07DocScrutinizer05I'd estimate the number of users feeling urge to deactivate it is 50 times the number of those who would feel urge to activate it when it wasn't
14:42.12DocScrutinizer05IOW please consider removing that default
14:44.26DocScrutinizer05http://wstaw.org/m/2017/04/30/plasma-desktopP22054.png
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14:56.32DocScrutinizer05please make that either "Disable Screen Saver" or (the only technically useful one) "Blank Screen Only"    http://wstaw.org/m/2017/04/30/plasma-desktopS22054.png
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14:57.59grillon_hi there
14:58.31grillon_anything could work on devuan?
14:59.17grillon_I mean luks/lvm/raid are well supported? kvm/lxc/docker too?
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15:06.01fsmithredgrillon_, yes, it's 99% debian
15:07.14fsmithredI've got the language/locale problem solved, so I'm going outside to rake some leaves.
15:07.16fsmithredbbl
15:09.06DocScrutinizer05grillon_: are you offering to help?
15:17.46grillon_fsmithred: thank you
15:19.07grillon_DocScrutinizer05: hi, I'm just searching for ideal distro. I want to help my favorite distro to grow, so maybe.
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15:30.11DocScrutinizer05:-)
15:30.37DocScrutinizer05just wondered if that was >>anything *I* could work on devuan?<<
15:33.00DocScrutinizer05would have been a pity if somebody offers to help with luks/lvm/raid kvm/lxc/docker and gets sent away with a "everything already works great" :-)
15:33.23grillon_DocScrutinizer05: sure :D
15:34.11grillon_DocScrutinizer05: no pb without systemd?
15:35.01DocScrutinizer05I seem to recall at least docker has problems *with* systemd, so I'd expect same problems again when removing systemd
15:35.37DocScrutinizer05maybe not, don't know
15:36.44grillon_DocScrutinizer05: I'll see when I try
15:46.53DPAI am using libvirt as hypervisor for qemu and lxc, which works just fine. I'm not using the lxc package/tools, so I don't know if those work.
15:49.33grillon_DPA: ok thank you
15:51.08Ferviwhy systemd is still alive :(
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16:22.58grillon_Fervi: you mean why systemd is dominating the world
16:23.09Ferviyep
16:23.15Fervii belive in devuan
16:24.50debdogaptitude search systemd | grep ^i
16:24.51debdog<PROTECTED>
16:24.56debdognot here
16:26.07Fervialternatively i have Debian/kFreeBSD
16:26.13Fervithere is no systemd :D
16:33.25grillon_:)
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16:44.46DocScrutinizer05https://github.com/rancher/os rotfl
16:45.55DocScrutinizer05is this systemd cabal's next crazy move, or a competitor beating systemd in bloat and weirdness?
16:52.35DPARancher OS doesn't use systemd.
16:53.16DPAIt has an own init system capable of starting all systemservices using docker.
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16:53.30dethaDocScrutinizer05: from what I hear it's a currently-not-stable-yet thing, but a good concept
16:59.26DocScrutinizer05sorry, the purpose evades me
17:01.33fsmithredI think it's so you don't have to worry about having the right versions of libraries - you just have a different set of libraries for every app.
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17:04.05DocScrutinizer05yes, docker is a lighweight VM. The purpose is just a "we can't do it right for target system XY, so we package it including the system". IOW **bloat**, and I don't see what's the sense in running a docker virtualization as PID1
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17:04.25aitorFervi: Debian/KFreeBSD with X11?
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17:04.40aitori tested it a couple of years ago
17:05.22aitorbut i had a problem with the file manager
17:07.52aitora couple of years ago, or more...
17:10.08aitorwill devuan support this kernel in the future?
17:10.50DocScrutinizer05re >>don't have to worry about having the right versions of libraries<< that's what library naming scheme is meant to deal with. A pity more and more people who think of themselves as maintainers (of libs) don't understand it
17:12.22Ferviyep
17:12.29FerviXfce4 works
17:12.37Fervii also tried Debian/kOpenSolaris
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17:13.36aitorXfce4 works? great news :)
17:14.30aitorbrb :)
17:15.28Fervidoes anyone know where is live-build git repository (for devuan)?
17:15.56fsmithredyeah
17:16.15JTechnoFervi do you recommend debian/kopensolaris?
17:16.50fsmithredFervi, it'll take a minute to find the link
17:16.51DocScrutinizer05>>3.6. Incompatible Libraries<< in   http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO/shared-libraries.html
17:17.37DocScrutinizer05>>When a new version of a library is binary-incompatible with the old one the soname needs to change.<< simple as that
17:17.45FerviJTechno: Well, it depends. Most software doesn't work (no firefox etc)
17:18.03Fervino Gnome, no KDe
17:18.06Fervijust Xfce4 :D
17:18.09DocScrutinizer05no need for fancy dockers
17:18.20Fervihttps://www.osdyson.org/projects/dyson/wiki
17:19.38fsmithredthere might be newer than this, but I'm still waiting for the site: https://github.com/debian-live/live-build/tree/debian-old-4.0
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17:20.34fsmithredthere's also live-sdk for building isos: https://github.com/parazyd/live-sdk
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17:30.04Ferviyep, but i have some "patches" from devuan's live-build
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17:46.47bjbI'm trying to install devuan 1.0.0 rc 1.  I downloaded netinstall cd (i386).  I tried to burn it to cd with k3b, k3b says it succeeds but I cannot mount the image (mount -o iso9660 /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom).
17:47.17bjbAlso, when I put the cd into the system I used to burn it and start k3b, k3b says it is called "debian ..." not "devuan ..."
17:47.55bjbAlso, on my trial devuan system, k3b cannot see the optical drive.  The kernel reports it is there ... /dev/sr0.
17:48.12bjbSo I had to do the burning on a system that still has Debian (wheezy) running.
17:49.24bjbTo help you make sense of all this, the relevant machines are:   a little single-board computer (i686) currently running wheezy, it has a cdrom attached that I can boot from.  That is the one I want to install Devuan on.
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17:49.55bjbI have another desktop system, currently running Devuan called froggie.  It is the one where k3b cannot see the optical drive.
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17:50.37bjband a laptop system rhino, currently running Debian wheezy, that can write CDs.  But, it cannot read the CD it wrote.
17:50.46bjbit says bad filesystem.
17:51.06Xenguybjb: IIUC, the wheezy system should be able to upgrade seamlessly to Devuan Jessie without CD media
17:51.42Xenguyi.e. over the internet
17:52.00bjbXenguy ... I might remember that name ... anyway, I can really just change the sources.list and apt-get update/apt-get dist-upgrade?
17:52.12fsmithredpretty much, yes
17:52.25fsmithredit should be easier than going from debian jessie to devuan jessie
17:52.39bjbAwesome!  (/me runs downstairs to try it ... hmm, maybe I should have a recovery cd with wheezy just in case)
17:53.28Enrico_MenottiIf anybody is interested, I have rebuilt sysvinit without selinux support for my n900. I'm mainly concerned with /sbin/init, which I substituted from the new build. Now it doesn't complain anymore about being unable to mount selinux (which I don't need). However, I got a few warnings during the built.
17:55.03Fervin900 ... I still pray for neo900 xD
17:55.45bjbOther people can write cds and dvds with their devuan systems?  Do you use k3b or something else?
17:55.49Xenguybjb: There is some documentation on this particular upgrade somewhere BTW
17:56.27FerviI burn on k3b, but very long time ago
17:56.39FerviPendrive is better :D
17:56.48Enrico_MenottiIn any case, I think the init process should not try to mount selinux when /sys/fs/selinux is not available (which is my case, since I have no initrd, and - I believe, at least - no selinux support in the kernel). I'd appreciate some feedback in this respect: do you think it be the case to open a bug report?
17:57.12DPAbjb: I am using k3b on devuan occationally.
17:58.09bjbthanks for info on optical drives/devuan, DPA, Fervi
17:58.21bjbSay, is anyone going to debconf in August?  In Montreal
17:58.33bjbI wouldn't mind meeting up with devuan people
17:59.33bjbPerhaps that was badly phrased.  I should say:  I would like to meet up with Devuan people : -)
18:00.07XenguyMe too actually, if there are any Devuan folks planning on attending
18:02.06gnarfacewodim is a good CD writer
18:02.20gnarfacenot easy to figure out, but full-featured
18:02.51gnarface(it's just a fork of apparently abandoned "cdrecord" with command-line compatibility)
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18:03.34golinuxbjb: I use xfburn
18:04.39XenguyI have used this wodim invocation to write an ISO to a CD-RW:
18:04.45Xenguy/usr/bin/X11/wodim -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/cdrom speed=4 -dao driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data <file>
18:04.57gnarfaceuh
18:05.02XenguySome time ago now though
18:05.14gnarfacedon't you need -swab on non-sparc hardware?
18:05.52gnarfacei thought that was a byte-endedness thing that Intel/x86 does differently than everyone else
18:05.54XenguyI have it as an alias in my .bashrc, so it must have worked sometime in the past  <-- that's all I know
18:06.36gnarfacecdrecord -v -dao -eject speed=52 fs=8m driveropts=burnfree dev=/dev/cdrw -swab -data input_disk_image.iso
18:06.39gnarfacethat's what i was using^
18:06.53gnarface(or speed=48, depending on if i was buying the cheap ones or not)
18:07.32gnarfacethis was for a plextor drive, ymmv
18:07.39gnarfacesome of the options i think were driver-specific
18:07.48DPAbjb: The image name of the netinst iso is indeed debian instant of devuan, but the iso itself seams fine. So there may have been a problem cd drive. A hardware problem.
18:07.50gnarface(fs=8m and driveropts=burnfree, specifically)
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18:14.32bjbMaybe some day the name "debian" can change to "devuan" : -)
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18:24.30bjbgnarface, Xenguy, Fervi, DPI, golinux:  thanks for advice re: writing CD/DVD, I have made notes.  I will give some a try and see if I can then read the medium afterwards.  Also, before trying to install, I need "one last backup" of the system in case I have to revert.
18:24.57bjbNote:  wheezy install iso seem to have disappeared from the internet.
18:25.23Fervicheck debian archive
18:25.27bjbI did
18:26.31XenguyThat seems strange that the wheezy ISO would be gone so soon
18:26.42XenguyEspecially since I think it is still 'supported'
18:26.59Fervimaybe, but it is oldstable
18:27.04Ferviif it is still supported
18:27.41Xenguygolinux or fsmithred , I think one of you once gave me a URL that documented the Wheezy->devuan/jessie upgrade...
18:27.46bjbMaybe I missed it, but 1) archive.debian.net had a "its busted, maybe one day it will work again" page, and the other page I found (sub page of archive.debian.net) did not have wheezy on it.  It said "binary releases will be expired little by little"
18:27.49XenguyFervi: I thought it was
18:28.18gnarfacewait, which was wheezy? was that 7?
18:28.21Ferviyep
18:28.29Xenguygolinux fsmithred : This is the only URL I could find, but it isn't resolving for me currently:  https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan
18:28.38gnarfacebjb: i still have a i386 and amd64 copy of the 7.1 netinst from debian, if you need it
18:28.38golinuxXenguy: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy
18:28.48Xenguybjb ^^^
18:28.52Xenguythanks golinux
18:29.33golinuxWork is being done on git atm.
18:30.17bjbgreat, thanks Xenguy, golinux.  I will first backup the running install of the little sbc machine though.  Belt _and_ suspenders as a former colleague used to say.
18:31.08golinuxHope all goes well
18:31.28bjbthanks : -)  what can possibly go wrong ... as they say ...
18:31.51XenguyGood luck bjb, and let us know how it goes :-)
18:32.04XenguyGotta run for awhile folks, thanks and TTYL
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18:47.50bjbgnarface, thanks re: 7.1 iso.  I will make a note that you have it.  Hopefully I won't need it.
18:48.25bjbre: archive.debian expiring binaries of releases, I do find it odd that they would expire wheezy before all those others.  But, I don't see wheezy anywhere ...
18:49.28bjbI have started backup of system by rsync ... going to try writing devuan netinstall cd using froggie and one of those other cd writing programs now ... wodim, etc.  Froggie is already running devuan.
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19:13.43bjbOk, I'd like to report that my mount command was wrong, I was saying -o iso9660 and I should have said -t iso9660.  So, the iso I wrote with k3b (from rhino, the debian wheezy laptop) does work.
19:13.45aitorAchilles lives in Brazil
19:14.18bjbAlso, wodim on the devuan machine worked.  So now I have two cds with the devuan netinstall image.
19:14.21bjbSo far, so good.
19:17.52DocScrutinizer05git.devuan.org might be irresponsive due to service (backup etc)
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19:20.50aitorDocScrutinizer05: you are always awake, like golinux
19:21.19DocScrutinizer05the opposite: I'm always asleep, even when posting
19:21.32aitorlol
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19:23.04DocScrutinizer05bjb: https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/debian-installer/  http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/7.11.0/amd64/iso-cd/  seems to work
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19:23.43mwarninghi
19:23.55mwarningis rc1 ready for daily use?
19:24.03aitorhi mwarning
19:24.15mwarninghi
19:25.24gnarfacemwarning: IMO, yes
19:25.37mwarningok, I will give it a try :)
19:25.38gnarfacemwarning: more than debian at least, that's for sure
19:25.50aitorif you come from windows 95, you are too old for systemd
19:25.50mwarningwhat is the current version of the linux kernel?
19:26.01gnarfacesame as debian
19:26.13aitordebian lenny?
19:26.13gnarface(3.16, use backports if you need a newer one)
19:26.37mwarninghm, I need at least 4.6 for my laptop..
19:26.47gnarfaceskylake?
19:26.51mwarning^^
19:26.56gnarfacebackports has 4.7 i think
19:28.05mwarninggnarface: is there an install medium with the backports kernel?
19:28.42gnarfacemwarning: 4.9 actually now, but i don't know how people have been doing it.
19:29.30aitortime to dinner :)
19:29.31mwarninggnarface: what are the backport links for the sources.lst file?
19:29.56gnarfacemwarning: stand by lemme make sure i give you the right one exactly
19:30.49gnarfacei wonder if people are using the live image for that...
19:31.38mwarningk
19:31.44gnarfacemwarning: try this: deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main
19:32.08mwarningok, thanks
19:33.11gnarfacemwarning: this post infers people are just upgrading to the backport kernel after install completes: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=542
19:34.25gnarfacemwarning: and, just to be pedantic for the sake of clarity; if you need non-free firmware or drivers, make sure to enable contrib and non-free too, like this: deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main contrib non-free
19:35.00mwarningthanks!
19:35.07gnarfacemwarning: no problem.  and, if you're planning on gaming with that new 4.9 kernel and intel gpu, make sure you also get mesa from backports
19:35.39gnarface(huge performance/bugfix release)
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19:39.36bjbDocScrutinizer05: I was just going to report that I found that site ... I am torrenting now.
19:39.39bjbthanks
19:40.25bjbI had to search for "debian oldstable iso torrent" or such like to find it.
19:41.35FlibberTGibbet\o
19:41.39FlibberTGibbethi golinux, you there?
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20:00.16bjbOk, I have a netinst of Devuan 1.0.0 rc1, of Debian 7.11.0 and a backup of my live system.  I will disappear for a bit while I try this install ...
20:02.21Xenguymwarning: anecdotal evidence that Devuan with Gnome DE is maybe not a good idea, FYI
20:03.02mwarningok
20:03.04XenguyIf anyone thinks that is untrue, I'd love to be corrected
20:03.48XenguyI hear good things about xfce, also MATE
20:05.52mwarningI will use i3 :>
20:06.16XenguyGood luck bjb... I'd love to know what rsync invocation you used to back up your system too (to external HD, or ...?)
20:08.34mwarningcopy&paste
20:08.52Xenguyhah
20:08.59mwarningsometimes it is good not keep all data
20:09.33Xenguyhuge data does become a burden, which is why everyone except for the DIYers have their stuff in the cloud
20:11.10DocScrutinizer05bjb: https://www.ixquick.com/do/search?q=wheezy+install+iso
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20:13.33bluemarlini can never remember the name - number association of debian versions
20:14.29bluemarlinalways have to check /etc/debian_version and /etc/apt/sources.list to assign them to each other
20:17.36Xenguyme too, never can keep track
20:20.30bluemarlinyep, and worse: i never used ubuntu, but back when it was still linux, i remembered all their version names
20:20.38bluemarlindespite debian being single word
20:21.55XenguyI drank the koolaid for awhile (got caught up in the enthusiasm of the times), ordered some CDs etc., but a year or so later, went right back to debian (and now devuan)
20:22.51XenguyBy then I could see where it was headed, and finally, sure enough
20:23.15XenguyAnyway, I'm probably OT by now
20:26.28golinuxFlibberTGibbet: Yes. Back now
20:27.55golinuxXenguy: GNOME and KDE have been removed from install options for the next release.
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20:28.29XenguyGood to know golinux , I was wondering about KDE too
20:29.02XenguyThat's actually a seemingly radical, yet also common sense decision for Devuan to make too, IMHO
20:29.17XenguyLike, thumbs up
20:29.23bluemarlinthey depend on systemd too much, yea
20:29.52bluemarlinliked kde5 though, it was very user friendly
20:29.59XenguyI mean, GNOME were probably very involved in systemd dependencies
20:30.14XenguyI'd boycott them even if it did work :P
20:30.55golinuxAnyone using devuan is not likely to want either of those DEs anyway.
20:31.16XenguyMaybe
20:32.34XenguyI think that between xfce and lxde and mate, we're probably decently covered for DE
20:33.18XenguyThere's always WM's too (I'd like to try i3 sometime for example)
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20:34.27XenguyLinus apparently used xfce for awhile, but now he's using a modified version of Gnome3
20:34.44golinuxI'm hoping we can add TDE at some point.
20:34.56XenguyI think his software choices are really weird, but hey, he seems to be a genius
20:35.11Xenguygolinux: I haven't heard of that
20:35.20Xenguyor KDE?
20:35.42bluemarlinXenguy: fork of kde3 apparently
20:35.49golinuxTDE is to KDE what Mate is to Gnome
20:36.10XenguyOh nice, before the KDE4 madness then, sounds analogous to MATE and Gnome2
20:36.25XenguyOh hah, golinux just said it, yep
20:37.05golinuxI actually helped someone skin a purpy theme for TDE
20:37.20XenguyI like your work
20:37.32golinuxThanks.
20:38.01bluemarlinyep, got an eye for clean, non-bloated look :)
20:38.59golinuxThere will be no shiny shiny on my watch.  ;)
20:39.51XenguyDamn I'm having a fine relaxing rainy afternoon here :)
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20:40.22bluemarlinbjb: devuan install success?
20:43.28DocScrutinizer05[2017-04-25 Tue 10:06:17] <KatolaZ> parazyd managed to run KDE on ascii
20:43.30DocScrutinizer05[2017-04-25 Tue 10:06:21] <KatolaZ> it seems to work fine
20:43.31DocScrutinizer05[2017-04-25 Tue 10:06:26] <KatolaZ> except for a few quirks
20:47.28bluemarlinprobably quirks like GUI network management - since it integrates NmApplet heavily
20:48.01bluemarlin(NetworkManager)
20:49.59Centurion_Danwe have network-manager systemd free now.
20:50.04Centurion_Danbluemarlin: ^^
20:50.08bluemarlinwow
20:50.31Xenguykiller
20:50.33bluemarlini must try that out
20:51.11bluemarlinstuff like that gotta be on homepage somewhere
20:51.32fsmithreddon't let kde go to sleep - it won't wake up. That's the rumor, anyway.
20:52.23bjbSadly, the little sbc does not boot from either netinstall CD.  Maybe it needs ia64 CD?  Trying a new download.
20:53.16bjbI tried changing the boot order, the BIOS didn't seem to give that option so I changed the order of the hard drive and optical drive on the cable.  No dice.
20:53.21bjbbleah
20:53.24fsmithredia64 is Itanium, but amd64 = x86_64
20:54.07bjbMy existing install says the sbc uses kernel:  3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.82-1 i686
20:54.36fsmithredso you should use the i386 iso
20:55.04bjbfsmithred, thanks.  That's what I thought but I cannot get it to boot from CD.
20:55.33bjbThe one thing I haven't tried is to unplug the hard drive completely  and just leave the optical drive ...
20:55.42bjbnot sure if that would be useful in the end.
20:55.42fsmithredthat'll make it hard to install
20:55.51bjbexactly : -)
20:56.16bjbbut it would be a test, to see if the system can boot from CD.
20:56.21fsmithredthere might be a way to boot the CD from grub command line, but I don't know it.
20:56.34fsmithredyou don't have a spare usb thumb drive you could use?
20:56.35bjbI never get a grub command line : -(
20:56.47fsmithredtype 'c' at the menu
20:56.49bjbWhat size USB drive?
20:56.58fsmithredbigger than the iso
20:57.10bjbI've never tried to boot from one of those before.
20:57.23bjbI'm not sure the SBC BIOS would boot from that
20:57.31Xenguybjb: I did it for the first time on my laptop here
20:58.04XenguyI spent some time figuring out how to use 'dd' to burn the ISO to the usbkey
20:58.09fsmithredcan you get to a device menu at boot, by pressing some key? (maybe esc, F12, F8)
20:58.14bjbWell, at one point I did install the SBC from the optical drive ... I have to try to remember how I did that
20:58.22XenguyAnd installed the devuan beta from that
20:58.41bjbI looked for magic key during a few boots, did not see any.  There was a "net boot" menu.
20:59.03bjbAfter that it lists the drives, but I don't know the magic keys to affect that menu
20:59.26bjbThat's when I actually replugged them in the other order.
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21:00.43fsmithredusually arrow keys, space bar, maybe Function keys to change things in bios
21:00.54bluemarlinsmashing top half of the keyboard (all keys at same time) usually works for me in these situations
21:01.06bjbI think I'm going to have to take a break to cook supper.  I told friend I was going to make dinner.
21:01.29Xenguyttyl
21:01.48bjbyep ... thanks everyone.  I'll report back when I try again
21:03.59bluemarlinhmmm  apt-get install network-manager says it needs libpam-systemd
21:04.39fsmithredbluemarlin, 'apt-cache policy network-manager'
21:05.16fsmithredCandidate: 0.9.10.0-7+devuan1
21:05.37bluemarlinCandidate: 1.6.2-3 i'm on ascii
21:06.18fsmithredoh
21:06.24bluemarlinupgraded to ascii directly from debian 8.
21:06.39fsmithredmaybe try the one from jessie. I don't know if that works.
21:06.41bluemarlinthere couldnt be some hidden package meta information downloaded from previous distro right?
21:06.45bluemarlinah ok
21:07.21fsmithredchanging sources and running update should clear out the old stuff
21:07.40bluemarlinok, then it's long gone :)
21:11.00bluemarlinyep, the nice version of network manager is in jessie only
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21:33.10aitorñññññññññññññññ
21:33.18Ferviąąąąa
21:33.18aitoroh, sorry :(
21:33.21Fervi:P
21:34.22aitorFervi: you are too fast
21:34.39Fervifervi 3 sec
21:35.51aitor:)
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21:39.51aitorñeed to go :)
21:40.13aitorñu, ñu, ñu
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21:41.00aitorgnu, ñu, new
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21:48.25aitorFervi is a trololosh
21:48.38Fervisometimes
21:49.14aitoralways
21:50.06aitormmmm, time to bed
21:50.13Fervigood night
21:50.21aitori must learn amprolla
21:50.40aitorññññññññññ
21:50.40nazmohi guys
21:50.58aitorbye :)
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22:02.10mwarningHi, devuan installation failed (skylake based system) saying that grub installation failed.
22:02.18mwarningis there something  I could try?
22:02.21Fervihmm
22:02.28Ferviyou can reinstall grub
22:02.42fsmithreduefi or bios?
22:02.48mwarninguefi
22:02.57fsmithredgot another linux installed on it?
22:03.01mwarningno
22:03.11fsmithredis it HP?
22:03.27mwarningbut maybe I can try some console of the install disc
22:03.30mwarningHP?
22:03.34mwarningdell xps
22:03.52fsmithredoh, good. HP uefi is screwed up.
22:04.16fsmithredyeah, install disc will let you reinstall bootloader
22:04.38mwarning"grub install" ?
22:04.54fsmithredif you're going to do it manually, yes
22:05.00fsmithredgrub-install
22:05.03fsmithredoptionally...
22:05.06mwarningk
22:05.14fsmithredgrub-install --bootloader-id=some-name
22:05.39mwarningmust some-name  be something special?
22:05.39fsmithredbut go through the advanced menu, and there should be a choice for reinstall bootloader
22:05.45fsmithrednot sure about the name
22:05.57fsmithredso far, everything I've tried has worked, but I keep them simple
22:06.26fsmithredI'm assuming you can do it by issuing the command there
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22:06.50fsmithredyou need to be in chroot with sys proc and dev bind mounted to the target
22:07.37mwarningfsmithred: chroot to where?
22:07.44fsmithredthe target system
22:07.55fsmithredgo through the menu and let the installer cd do it for you
22:08.03mwarningah, I see
22:08.39fsmithredyou'll have to go through selecting language and locale, but eventually, you'll get there. It's easy.
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22:10.12mwarningfsmithred: is the grub installation the last step of the install?
22:10.13fsmithredbrb
22:10.21fsmithredyes
22:10.22mwarningor do I miss something afterwards?
22:10.24mwarningok
22:10.55fsmithredI think there's one non-important question at the end
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22:12.27agrecascinouh
22:12.35agrecascinoso i'm trying to install devuan
22:12.46agrecascinoand i'm getting a debootstrap error
22:14.18gnarfaceagrecascino: if you're trying to use the debian debootstrap, i think there's a bug with it.  the devuan debootstrap should install fine on debian though.  (also there is now live images)
22:14.31agrecascinouh
22:14.37agrecascinolike, i got an iso
22:14.47gnarfaceoh, which iso?
22:14.54agrecascinocd install (not live)
22:15.10gnarfacehmm. and it's giving you a debootstrap error??  that's disturbing...
22:15.19agrecascinowell
22:15.27agrecascinothe situation isn't exactly normal
22:15.46gnarfacewell you're using debootstrap from the installer image, so i'd say not
22:15.57gnarfacewhy though?
22:16.07gnarfaceand what is the actual error?
22:16.08agrecascinoi'm booting the iso from a hard drive using grub
22:16.16gnarfacehmm, ok
22:16.20agrecascinosomething about how it can't find the codename
22:16.23agrecascinoand it's fat32
22:16.31gnarfacewhat code name is it looking for?
22:16.37agrecascinoi have no idea
22:16.44gnarfacewait what part is fat32?
22:16.52gnarfacenot the part you're installing to, right?
22:16.55agrecascinono
22:17.03agrecascinowhere the iso is extracted to
22:17.09gnarfacehmm
22:17.16gnarfacebut the installer does boot up?
22:17.20agrecascinoyes
22:17.25gnarfacehow far do you get before you get the error?
22:17.41agrecascinoit fails when it triees to install the base system
22:18.42gnarfacehmm, does this describe the problem accurately?  http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=110803
22:19.06gnarface<PROTECTED>
22:19.15Atepadevuan
22:19.37gnarfaceand yes, except for the part about it being actually debian
22:19.46gnarfacebut my guess is the problem is the same
22:22.27agrecascinoyes
22:22.31agrecascinobut no unetbootin
22:23.02gnarfaceit seems like ultimately it's a path issue.  maybe by booting from hdd you excite the same bug unetbootin does
22:23.19gnarfacetry that mount fix, see if it helps
22:23.27agrecascinothe usb is already mounted to /cdrom
22:23.46gnarfaceoh hmm. i thought you said you were booting the installer from harddrive though
22:23.53agrecascinoyes
22:24.03agrecascinodebian installer then fails to find the drive
22:24.11agrecascinoand i have to manually mount /cdrom
22:24.13gnarfaceso in your case, the harddrive partition needs to be mounted *instead* where /cdrom mounted, i assume
22:24.23agrecascinowhich i did
22:24.35gnarfacebut if you have a USB ... why not boot the installer from that?
22:25.16gnarfaceif you're booting this from a harddrive partition, what is the USB for in this scenario?
22:25.42agrecascinothere is no usb
22:25.54agrecascinowhat
22:25.56agrecascinooops
22:25.58gnarface<agrecascino> the usb is already mounted to /cdrom
22:26.01agrecascinoyeah
22:26.06gnarfaceyou've really confused me with a lot of conflicting information
22:26.07agrecascinos/usb/hard drive/
22:26.28agrecascinothe hard drive was mounted to /cdrom
22:27.33agrecascinouh
22:27.57agrecascinocan i ask: can you give me the layout of root directory of the devuan installer cd
22:28.14gnarfacei don't have it here at my fingertips
22:28.20gnarfaceit shouldn't look much different from debian's though
22:28.32gnarfaceit would be obvious if you'd mounted something different
22:28.47agrecascinowell, that's not exactly why i was interested
22:29.22agrecascinowhen i copied it over, a linked folder failed to copy
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22:29.39gnarfacehow did you copy it?
22:29.57agrecascinomounted the iso and just copied the contents
22:30.06gnarfaceah ha
22:30.10gnarfaceyea don't do that
22:30.13gnarfacethese are iso-hybrid images
22:30.18gnarfacejust use cp or dd now
22:30.29gnarfacethe whole image goes onto the device
22:30.29agrecascinouh
22:30.35agrecascinois there anyway i can fix this mess
22:30.41agrecascinoi'm slightly out of an os to use
22:31.16gnarfacei'm gonna go ahead and say yes, there's a way to fix it
22:31.53gnarfacedo you still have the iso file on hand?
22:32.08gnarfacethe installer image, the whole thing (not just parts copied out of inside)
22:32.22agrecascinoyes
22:32.29gnarfacewhat's the file name?
22:33.02gnarfacelet's pretend the filename is example.iso
22:33.10agrecascinowait
22:33.24agrecascinomount the iso onto /cdrom from the other hard drive partition
22:33.26agrecascinoright?
22:33.39gnarfaceuh
22:33.57gnarfaceno, i don't think so
22:34.01agrecascinouh
22:34.04gnarfaceyou need the WHOLE iso
22:34.07agrecascinoyeah
22:34.08agrecascinoi have it
22:34.19gnarfacenone of this process requires mounting the iso
22:34.23agrecascinooh okay
22:34.42gnarfacesay you were gonna install from a usb key that was located at /dev/sdc
22:34.56gnarfaceyou would just do this:   dd if=./example.iso of=/dev/sdc
22:35.03gnarfacethen you would wait patiently a really long time
22:35.07gnarfacethen you would boot with that usb key
22:35.27agrecascinoyeah
22:35.34gnarfacethen you would complete the install as normal, but in theory this time it would not complain about missing pieces
22:35.46agrecascinoyes
22:36.40gnarfacewhere this gets complicated is if you don't have a USB key *and* harddrive, but rather you have a USB key OR harddrive... then you have to get clever with partitions, because you're installing to the same physical media you're installing FROM
22:39.21agrecascinonvm
22:39.27agrecascinomy mounting the iso actually worked
22:39.44agrecascinouh
22:39.47agrecascinoi guess that's solved
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22:48.44mwarningok, I have the chroot ready. But there is no grub-install command
22:49.15fsmithredwasn't there a choice that said "reinstall bootloader"?
22:49.15mwarninghow do I install grub (failed during install)?
22:49.26mwarningfsmithred: I did not find it.
22:49.32mwarningin expert mode
22:49.34fsmithredhang on, lemme boot a cd here
22:49.38fsmithredno, not expert mode
22:49.41fsmithredthat's an install
22:50.11mwarninghm, what do you mean?
22:50.41fsmithredAdvanced options
22:50.55fsmithredRescue mode
22:51.02mwarningok, sec
22:54.45fsmithredset language, locale, time zone, hostname, network
22:55.14fsmithredthen select the root of the installed system
22:55.41fsmithredthen Reinstall GRUB boot loader
22:57.04mwarningis it normal that get asked for all setup options again?
22:57.22fsmithredyeah
22:57.25mwarningk
22:58.03fsmithredthat's part of the reason I wrote my own installer
22:58.42mwarninghm, the root of the system does not seem to be selectable
22:58.52fsmithred?
22:59.06mwarningonly /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2
22:59.10fsmithredwhere is the root, and what is
22:59.13fsmithrednot good
22:59.24fsmithredsda1 should be your EFI partition
22:59.37mwarningbut normally it should be /dev/nven1p2 or something
22:59.42fsmithredoh
23:00.04fsmithrednvme ssd?
23:00.07mwarningyes
23:00.40fsmithredwhen you partitioned during the installtion, it showed correctly?
23:00.41mwarningit was accessible under that similar name when I used the chroot before
23:00.44mwarningyes
23:01.20fsmithredhang on
23:01.33mwarningk
23:01.51fsmithredI just wanted to see what happened if I chose no root filesystem
23:02.01fsmithredthere's no grub install after that
23:02.56fsmithredis first partition the efi partition?
23:03.09mwarningyes
23:03.16fsmithreddo alt-F2 to get to a shell
23:03.22mwarningsec
23:03.47mwarningthe device is there
23:04.07fsmithredyou see it in fdisk -l ?
23:04.12mwarning<PROTECTED>
23:04.25fsmithredthat's the second partition, isn't it?
23:04.35mwarningyes
23:04.51mwarningyes
23:05.02fsmithreddf
23:05.11mwarningfirst is 512 MB labeled EFI System
23:05.24fsmithredor df -h
23:05.37mwarningfsmithred: you want the output?
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23:05.40fsmithredmake sure p2 is mounted
23:06.05fsmithredmake sure p1 is mounted to /target/boot/efi
23:06.17mwarningI can mount p2 in some dummy dir
23:06.17fsmithredwhere /target is the mountpoint for p2
23:06.21mwarningk
23:06.25mwarningsec
23:06.29fsmithredon /mnt will work
23:07.35mwarningdone, mounted to /target
23:07.41fsmithredcool
23:07.54fsmithredmount p1 to /target/boot/efi
23:08.00mwarningdone as well
23:08.13fsmithredmount --bind /sys /target/sys
23:08.28fsmithredmount --bind /proc /target/proc
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23:08.37fsmithredmount --bind /dev /target/dev
23:08.46fsmithredoh
23:09.05fsmithredyou might look in /target/boot/efi/EFI to see if there are any bootloaders
23:09.19mwarningsec
23:10.24mwarning"ls /target/boot/efi/EFI" gives me directories Boot Dell and systemd
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23:12.42fsmithreduh, ok
23:12.43fsmithredno devuan
23:12.43fsmithredthat's what you'll get with the next command
23:12.43fsmithredgrub-install
23:12.43fsmithredthat's all
23:12.43fsmithredoh
23:12.43fsmithredno
23:12.43fsmithredyou need to chroot
23:12.43fsmithredchroot /target grub-install
23:12.57mwarningk
23:13.06fsmithredlook like it's working?
23:13.38fsmithredone more to do
23:13.45fsmithredchroot /target update-grub
23:13.52fsmithredthat should make your boot menu
23:13.56mwarningchroot: can't execute 'grub-install': No such file or directory
23:14.09mwarningmaybe you meant chroot /target followed by grub-install?
23:14.23fsmithredeither...
23:14.29fsmithredchroot /target grub-install
23:14.30fsmithredor
23:14.32fsmithredchroot
23:14.34fsmithredthen
23:14.37fsmithredno
23:14.40fsmithredchroot /target
23:14.41fsmithredthen
23:14.44fsmithredgrub-install
23:14.58fsmithredupdate-grub
23:14.59fsmithredexit
23:15.03mwarningok, bu there seem to be no grub-install
23:15.09fsmithredshit
23:15.15mwarningbut all kinds of other grub-* commands
23:15.44mwarningcan't I install grub-install?
23:15.59fsmithredyou can install grub-efi if you can find the deb package
23:16.22fsmithredpool/main/g
23:16.28fsmithredsomething like that on the CD
23:16.38fsmithredis this amd64?
23:16.51mwarningyes
23:16.52Fervihmm, if you have EFI, did you create EFI partition?
23:17.02mwarninghm, not sure
23:17.11mwarningI had arch installed before
23:17.19fsmithredfdisk -l
23:17.36fsmithredshould say EFI System on the first partition
23:18.04mwarningType says "EFI System"
23:18.08fsmithredyeah
23:18.20mwarning(first partiton)
23:19.16mwarningok, looks good now
23:19.26fsmithredwhat happened?
23:19.58mwarningI installed grub-efi from the mirror (apt-get install grub-efi)
23:20.26mwarningand ran grub-install and update-grub
23:20.40mwarningboth command seem to have run successfully
23:20.42mwarning*s
23:20.53fsmithredin chroot?
23:20.59mwarningyes
23:21.01fsmithredcool
23:21.17fsmithredoh, duh. mirror.
23:21.21fsmithredreboot
23:21.35mwarningdo I have to exist chroot etc. first?
23:21.40fsmithredyes
23:22.14fsmithredbrb
23:22.43mwarningok, let's see
23:23.17mwarningok, it boots
23:23.35mwarningnow I need to get a new kernel etc.
23:26.10mwarningcan somebody paste me the lines by gnarface?
23:26.22mwarningThey are not in my backlog anymore
23:27.46rrqhttps://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/
23:28.21rrqmwarning^^^ assuming you have a broser
23:29.05mwarningrrq: thanks
23:35.17fsmithredmwarning, if you ever get around to installing on this machine again, please use the live CD, so you can test the uefi installer with nvme disk and tell me if it works.
23:35.31mwarningk
23:36.41fsmithredyou rebooted yet?
23:36.52fsmithredbackports coming up...
23:37.17fsmithreddeb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main
23:38.15fsmithredapt-get update
23:38.30fsmithredapt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-image-4.9-blah
23:41.03mwarningI have kernel 4.9 now
23:41.22fsmithredcool
23:41.35mwarningI try to figure out how to enable the graphical login
23:41.53fsmithredwhat did you install for a desktop?
23:42.11mwarningno desktop, just bare install
23:42.19mwarningbut I just installed i3
23:42.21fsmithredoh
23:42.29fsmithredthat's a window manager?
23:42.32mwarningyes
23:42.43fsmithredyou need a display manager if you want graphical login
23:42.45mwarninga tiled windowd manager, so not a desktop per se :>
23:43.09fsmithredslim, lightdm, xdm or other
23:43.09mwarningfsmithred: isn't that the xserver?
23:43.13fsmithrednot gdm3
23:43.29mwarningany recommendations?
23:43.30fsmithredyou can log into console and then run startx without display manager
23:43.49mwarningstartx: command not found
23:44.01mwarninglooks like I need something more
23:44.03fsmithreddid you install the xserver yet?
23:44.16mwarningI thought that was a dependency of i3
23:44.23mwarningbut I might be mistaken
23:44.26fsmithredme too, but some things will install without it
23:44.35fsmithreddpkg -l |grep xorg
23:44.40fsmithredor grep xserver
23:45.15mwarningI have xserver-common, xserver-xorg-core and xserver-xorg-video-intel
23:45.43fsmithredis xinit installed?
23:45.48mwarningnope
23:45.55fsmithredthat has startx
23:46.00mwarningk
23:46.18mwarninglooks good, i3 has started
23:46.46fsmithrednice
23:47.01mwarninghm, not graphical console yet
23:47.12fsmithredterminal?
23:47.20mwarningyes, terminal
23:47.36fsmithredxterm or other. There are a bunch of them.
23:48.22fsmithredbrb
23:50.25mwarninghm, how can I access a terminal
23:50.46mwarningthere was a key combination..
23:50.54rrqctrl-alt-f2
23:51.10mwarningthanks - worked
23:52.06Xenguyvirtual terminal FTW
23:52.46Enrico_MenottiI'm setting up ssh to Devuan on my n900. I installed the ssh server as I did with Debian. But when I try to connect I get the following error: PTY allocation request failed on channel 0. What's this?
23:55.45rrqwhat says "mount | grep pts" ?
23:55.55rrq(on the server)
23:56.32Enrico_MenottiA long line. I'll copy it.
23:58.16Enrico_Menottidevpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000)
23:59.01rrqlooks fine but someone said: "I have seen a case where the /dev/pt* devices needed to be removed and manually re-added because they became corrupt."
23:59.16rrqso it needs two commands: first "umount /dev/pts"
23:59.45rrqthen "mount -t devpts -o rw,nosuid,noexec,relatime,gid=5,mode=620,ptmxmode=000 /dev/pts
23:59.49rrq"

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