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| 00:22.22 | Xenguy | !RC |
| 00:22.22 | infobot | The shell from Plan 9 and 10th Edition Unix. URL: http://www.star.le.ac.uk/~tjg/rc/ |
| 00:22.32 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 00:40.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a faintly on-topic note: updating bash (I hope I remember the reason correctly) seems to nuke .bash_history :-O Now I'd call that a very nasty bug |
| 00:41.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | no debian based system though, but maybe that's not relevant for this topic |
| 00:43.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there a proven way to merge a recovered backup of bash history with the current file? seems the format is very unforgiving when you have timestamps enabled |
| 00:44.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and prolly even worse when the two files have different settings regarding that? |
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| 00:57.22 | Xenguy | I thought personal config files were not supposed to be touched during an upgrade, ideally? When it did happen, Debian would always give me a chance to view diffs between the current and new config files, and generally sort things out |
| 00:57.45 | fsmithred | Xenguy, that happens in devuan, too. |
| 00:57.49 | Xenguy | But that was more an application config update |
| 00:58.17 | Xenguy | fsmithred: Sure, as devuan is debian sans systemd, ideally |
| 00:58.18 | fsmithred | I have no idea what you're talking about - I just tuned in and did not scroll up. |
| 00:58.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yeah. That's what I thought as well. No idea what really happened. Anyway bash builtin HISTORY manpage is slightly puzzling and not exactly in line with what I see in .nash_histroy |
| 00:59.15 | Xenguy | Your typos are good ones :-) |
| 00:59.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-) |
| 01:00.52 | Xenguy | Your mission, should you decide to accept it, is: Nash and Histroy! |
| 01:01.58 | NewGnuGuy | Gnash and Destroy. good band name |
| 01:02.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | manpage says timestanp is supposed to be next line *after the command it belongs to. This applies to my recovered backup. But my *new* bash history has first line = #1487079218 ; second = less /var/log/messages. And last line in file is a command, not a timestamp |
| 01:02.28 | Xenguy | Godparents of post-post-punk ;) |
| 01:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I know bash goes all messy with history when the sequence one timestamp line one command line ... isn't absolutely correct in hist file |
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| 02:03.28 | batmore | distrowatch - top of the page... https://distrowatch.com/ |
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| 03:14.28 | batmore | I don't mean to press, but any idea when we'll update torrent and magnet on devuan.org download page? https://devuan.org/index.html#download |
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| 03:52.37 | gmcastil | whats the status on the RC torrent? |
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| 05:23.25 | jaromil | ahoy, news propagating and even the phoronix forum is not anymore trashing us as it used to be, there is an almost reasonable climate :^) |
| 05:23.38 | jaromil | to rate up the news on ycombinator: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14171119 |
| 05:23.55 | jaromil | rate up the submission to slashdot https://slashdot.org/submission/6962067/devuan-jessie-100-stable-release-candidate-announced |
| 05:26.49 | golinux | jaromil: The comments on phoronix were demeaning and juvenile. |
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| 05:27.35 | jaromil | golinux: you have no idea what it used to be 2 years ago then :^) |
| 05:27.54 | jaromil | the fact there are actual senior members that are voicing trheir approval is a huge step forward |
| 05:27.54 | golinux | Nope. I don't hang out on tech sites. |
| 05:28.35 | golinux | Wow! Are they that 'uneducated' or just brainwashed? |
| 05:28.51 | jaromil | phoronix is historically the most aggressively pro-systemd forum, their community have insulted the devuan project in every possible way in the past. and yes in general is the "slanted" forum for linux communities |
| 05:29.11 | jaromil | this thread now shows there are opening |
| 05:31.04 | golinux | It the torrent up yet? |
| 05:31.13 | golinux | Several people have asked aboutit. |
| 05:32.28 | jaromil | current plan is to have a torrent once we switch to final |
| 05:32.43 | jaromil | mirrors are propagated and maybe sufficient now? |
| 05:33.15 | jaromil | else parazyd may find the time for an RC torrent, but lets not press more todos over the weekend please :^) |
| 05:34.14 | Leander_ | maybe you should remove its mention from the web page then, or something |
| 05:34.23 | jaromil | done |
| 05:34.54 | jaromil | i've also added a nice logo for dev1galaxy :D |
| 05:35.16 | Leander_ | ok cool |
| 05:43.46 | golinux | jaromil: I think that parazyd has the torrent ready. |
| 05:44.28 | batmore | jaromil: while having a torrent for final is preferable, If there was a torrent or magnet posted I can use my bandwidth to provide access. |
| 05:44.40 | golinux | jaromil: I appreciate the thought but that logo is quite out of place there |
| 05:44.55 | golinux | Can you please make it go away? |
| 05:46.49 | golinux | And twitter should be italic and bold. ;) |
| 05:47.03 | jaromil | ok, done with the logo |
| 05:47.19 | jaromil | i have to go now, enjoy! |
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| 05:47.57 | golinux | Noooo the logo is still there! |
| 05:48.23 | gmcastil | wow the installer took like 3 minutes |
| 05:48.26 | rrq | it's gone for me. |
| 05:48.28 | golinux | Ah it is gone. Had to clear cache. |
| 05:49.55 | golinux | gmcastil: Was that the desktop-live? |
| 05:50.41 | gmcastil | golinux: yeah, took longer to figure out the config options and make sure i wasn't nuking /opt or /home than it did to actually install |
| 05:50.57 | gmcastil | someone told me last night that it was fast - he wasn't kidding, very nice work |
| 05:51.40 | golinux | LOL! That is very true!. Those config files make my head spin! |
| 05:51.57 | jaromil | fsmithred: https://twitter.com/balloon_vendor/status/855657678240174080 locale report on desktop-live |
| 05:51.59 | golinux | Thank fsmithred when you see him. ;) |
| 05:52.05 | gmcastil | thats who it was.... |
| 05:52.14 | golinux | Yup. |
| 05:53.00 | jaromil | fsmithred is the Moses of apt-based desktops |
| 05:56.27 | golinux | jaromil: I just fixed the font styling on 'twitter'. It's your turn now. ;) |
| 06:04.03 | gmcastil | so this is odd....installs fine on my desktop, but when i try to boot an older Dell laptop from it, it says "Missing Operating system" |
| 06:09.34 | gmcastil | hm....so my desktop boots from it, but the laptop does not |
| 06:10.21 | gmcastil | devuan_jessie_1.0.0-RC_amd64_uefi-live.iso and the sha256 matched |
| 06:10.33 | gmcastil | i wonder if my hardware is too old to support uefi |
| 06:12.12 | gmcastil | actually, it does....already on there |
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| 06:41.55 | gmcastil | hmm....so i formatted the USB stick with MBR instead of GPT and rewrote the iso |
| 06:42.03 | gmcastil | now the installer is just sitting there |
| 06:42.41 | gnarface | gmcastil: sometimes it's just reallly slow |
| 06:42.57 | gnarface | to load grub/lilo? |
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| 06:47.14 | gmcastil | yeah, the screen just went blank |
| 06:47.20 | gmcastil | but its better than 'missing OS' |
| 06:47.37 | gmcastil | i'll start it over and let it sit....it sat for like 5 minutes though |
| 06:47.39 | gmcastil | thats not normal |
| 06:48.05 | gmcastil | you're thining it is? |
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| 06:52.39 | KatolaZ | gmcastil: are you sure it is an amd64? |
| 06:53.13 | KatolaZ | you mentioned it is old hw, but my comment might be irrelevant... |
| 06:55.05 | gmcastil | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dell_Inspiron_1525 |
| 06:55.08 | gmcastil | thats the hardware |
| 06:55.24 | gmcastil | its 9 years old....not terribly ancient |
| 06:59.06 | KatolaZ | gmcastil: are you sure it is an amd64? |
| 06:59.46 | gmcastil | perhaps i misunderstand the meaing of amd64 |
| 06:59.51 | gmcastil | i assumed that meant 64 bit |
| 07:00.35 | gmcastil | its running an Intel Core 2 Duo |
| 07:01.08 | KatolaZ | and in faso it's 32bits |
| 07:01.14 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 07:01.18 | gmcastil | 'and in faso' ? |
| 07:01.21 | KatolaZ | it's 32bits then |
| 07:01.31 | gmcastil | oh, crap, you're right |
| 07:01.33 | gmcastil | i'm an idiot |
| 07:01.35 | KatolaZ | (dirty buffer) |
| 07:01.35 | gmcastil | thanks |
| 07:02.00 | Centurion_Dan | it's 64bit |
| 07:02.13 | KatolaZ | oh it';s a core2 |
| 07:02.19 | KatolaZ | you are right Centurion_Dan |
| 07:02.22 | KatolaZ | my fault |
| 07:02.22 | Centurion_Dan | all Core2duo's of that age are 64bit. |
| 07:02.29 | gmcastil | damn..... |
| 07:02.38 | Centurion_Dan | What installer are you using? |
| 07:03.11 | gmcastil | the amd64 uefi live desktop |
| 07:03.26 | gmcastil | put it on a USB stick and installed just fine on my desktop |
| 07:04.02 | Centurion_Dan | You won't have reliable uefi on that model. Use the legacy bios version |
| 07:04.40 | gmcastil | yeah, that was my workign hypothesis |
| 07:04.45 | gmcastil | thanks - what makes it unreliable? |
| 07:05.08 | Centurion_Dan | The UEFI implementations of that era sucked big time... |
| 07:06.12 | gmcastil | just not well done? |
| 07:07.29 | gmcastil | should i format the stick with an MBR? |
| 07:08.13 | KatolaZ | gmcastil: ? |
| 07:08.24 | KatolaZ | you should just dd the iso image on the stick |
| 07:08.54 | gmcastil | yeah thats what i did |
| 07:09.06 | gmcastil | does that override any GPT / MBR formatting i've done to it? |
| 07:09.16 | KatolaZ | sure it does |
| 07:09.30 | gmcastil | ok cool - because i got different results on the machine when i did that |
| 07:09.43 | KatolaZ | just scrap uefi :) |
| 07:09.51 | KatolaZ | use legacy bios |
| 07:09.57 | KatolaZ | as Centurion_Dan suggested |
| 07:10.54 | gmcastil | yeah, thtas what i'm going to do - downloading that iso now |
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| 07:11.38 | gmcastil | thanks |
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| 07:45.03 | gmcastil | hm....still hanging on boot |
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| 08:08.58 | aitor | moin moin |
| 08:15.15 | AntoFox | morning |
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| 08:16.40 | gmcastil | well shit, wtf....installer will not boot on this machine |
| 08:17.09 | gmcastil | the ubuntu live installer boots....but devuan does not |
| 08:20.11 | gmcastil | man, wtf |
| 08:20.24 | gmcastil | i havent had this kind of problem with installers in lik 10 years |
| 08:21.20 | aitor | i did about two years ago a d-i live-installer |
| 08:21.35 | aitor | it's possible, you know |
| 08:22.18 | aitor | but there is not possibility of a preseed file |
| 08:22.38 | aitor | so, the .udeb packages must be customized |
| 08:23.25 | gmcastil | i guess my laptop will run ubuntu....at least that workds |
| 08:25.01 | aitor | coffee, be back shortly :) |
| 08:25.46 | KatolaZ | gmcastil: what kind of error do you get? |
| 08:28.54 | bluemarlin | gmcastil: you could also try to install debian and then upgrade by changing apt sources |
| 08:29.31 | KatolaZ | bluemarlin: well, maybe not.. :D |
| 08:30.36 | KatolaZ | gmcastil: available to help if I can |
| 08:30.57 | gmcastil | the problem i get is that on boot, it says 'missing operating system' |
| 08:31.23 | gmcastil | i've confirmed the sha256, tried both the uefi and regular versions, and it gives the same result |
| 08:31.43 | KatolaZ | gmcastil: and you dd-ed the iso on the usb-key? |
| 08:31.47 | gmcastil | the same stick installed fine on my desktop, but booting the laptop doesnt work |
| 08:31.49 | gmcastil | yeah |
| 08:31.59 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 08:32.10 | KatolaZ | sure that your laptop supports booting from usb right? |
| 08:32.16 | gmcastil | dd if=<devuan install iso> of=/dev/device_to_be_put to |
| 08:32.30 | gmcastil | yeah i've installed multiple flavors of linux from live CDs on that machine |
| 08:32.40 | KatolaZ | from live CDs |
| 08:32.59 | KatolaZ | dd-ed on a usb stick? |
| 08:33.06 | KatolaZ | (sorry if the questions look silly) |
| 08:35.48 | gmcastil | i used dd from both mac os and an RC install of devuan |
| 08:35.58 | gmcastil | says missing operating system |
| 08:36.02 | gmcastil | in all cases |
| 08:36.13 | KatolaZ | gmcastil: I mean, the other live cds you have installer |
| 08:36.20 | KatolaZ | were dd-ed on a usb-stick? |
| 08:37.04 | KatolaZ | on the same laptop? |
| 08:44.15 | gmcastil | yeah |
| 08:44.28 | gmcastil | ive followed the same process as i havd with N other distro on that machine |
| 08:44.47 | gmcastil | just finished dd from a fresh devuan install on my desktop, and same result |
| 08:45.55 | Deadpan110 | notes that installing devuan in a KVM VM (UEFI) caused grub not to install properly... I used the UEFI boot menu to load grub n repaired/installed grub manually |
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| 08:46.19 | aitor | hi again |
| 08:46.57 | Deadpan110 | ~~waves~~ |
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| 08:49.11 | aitor | ~~~~~~ osciloscopios :) |
| 08:49.22 | Deadpan110 | lol |
| 08:49.33 | KatolaZ | gmcastil: dunno |
| 08:53.05 | gmcastil | dont understand why devuan cant install but half a dozen other shit distros do |
| 08:53.31 | Deadpan110 | is it being put on the drive installing from USB? |
| 08:56.40 | aitor | i'm going to do some final tests with the backend of simple-netaid and ifup/down... |
| 08:56.51 | aitor | and my network connection will be broken intermittently |
| 08:57.06 | aitor | so, i prefer not to be connected to hexchat for a few minuts |
| 08:57.13 | aitor | see you :) |
| 09:02.13 | Centurion_Dan | gmcastil: I have no idea about the live-installer. Perhaps try the regular one. |
| 09:02.19 | KatolaZ | gmcastil: have you tried the netinst, by any chance? |
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| 09:04.30 | aitor | KatolaZ? |
| 09:04.42 | KatolaZ | aitor? |
| 09:04.45 | aitor | hi |
| 09:04.52 | parazyd | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/22/devuan_1_0_0_released/ |
| 09:05.14 | KatolaZ | hi aitor! |
| 09:05.23 | KatolaZ | nice to see you! |
| 09:05.26 | aitor | do you have the backend of simple-netaid in your computers, Katolaz and parazyd? |
| 09:05.42 | parazyd | i don't have a devuan computer today, sorry |
| 09:05.49 | KatolaZ | aitor: gave up on simple-netaid months ago |
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| 09:06.10 | aitor | parazyd: devuan or debian |
| 09:06.34 | aitor | running: |
| 09:07.04 | aitor | ip link set wlp3s0 down |
| 09:07.20 | vkrishn | hi, will there be a devuan release for upcoming stretch ? |
| 09:07.27 | aitor | (in my case wlp3s0 instead of wlan0, etc... |
| 09:07.36 | KatolaZ | vkrishn: yes, and it will be called ascii |
| 09:07.38 | aitor | the network connection is broken |
| 09:07.55 | vkrishn | nice!, thanks |
| 09:08.02 | aitor | after that, if you run the backend, that is: |
| 09:08.06 | KatolaZ | vkrishn: it might be not immediate |
| 09:08.20 | aitor | backend 1 ESSID PASSWD |
| 09:08.30 | aitor | it doesn't work |
| 09:08.36 | vkrishn | less than 1yr from stretch release ? |
| 09:08.50 | KatolaZ | vkrishn: when it's ready, I guess |
| 09:08.50 | aitor | you need to remove some files from /run/network for that |
| 09:09.11 | vkrishn | ok |
| 09:09.16 | vkrishn | :) |
| 09:09.36 | aitor | on the other hand, if you run: |
| 09:09.51 | aitor | ip link set wlp3s0 up |
| 09:10.13 | aitor | after running ip link set wlp3s0 down... |
| 09:10.17 | KatolaZ | aitor: but is this the standard "ip" syntax? |
| 09:10.57 | aitor | the status icon of the frontend of the original simple-netaid (in freepascal) changes to the connected status |
| 09:11.07 | aitor | but there is not network connection |
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| 09:12.39 | aitor | i'm using the following code for simple-netaid-gtk: |
| 09:13.06 | aitor | argv[2] is the ESSID |
| 09:13.20 | aitor | argv[3] is the password |
| 09:13.30 | aitor | here you are: |
| 09:13.41 | aitor | system("rm -f /run/network/ifstate.wl*"); |
| 09:13.52 | aitor | system("rm -f /run/network/.ifstate.lock"); |
| 09:14.06 | aitor | Glib::ustring strDown = "/sbin/ip link set " + std::string( argv[1] ) + " down"; |
| 09:14.16 | aitor | Glib::ustring strBackend = "/usr/lib/simple-netaid/bin/backend 1 " + std::string( argv[2] ) + " " + std::string( argv[3] ); |
| 09:14.25 | aitor | system( strDown.c_str() ); |
| 09:14.34 | aitor | system( strBackend.c_str() ); |
| 09:14.44 | aitor | sleep( 1 ); |
| 09:14.52 | aitor | system( strDown.c_str() ); |
| 09:15.01 | aitor | system( strBackend.c_str() ); |
| 09:15.07 | aitor | that's all |
| 09:15.52 | aitor | i repeat the last two lines twice because sometimes ti fails at the first attempt |
| 09:16.09 | aitor | if it fails at the first attempt it will work at the second attemt |
| 09:16.12 | aitor | curious |
| 09:18.07 | aitor | i forgot: argv[1] is wlan0, wlan1, wlp3s0... |
| 09:18.10 | aitor | depending :) |
| 09:19.36 | aitor | you can get it running: /sbin/iwconfig |
| 09:22.13 | detha | what can be used for a PXE install of RC1? I tried the initrd from the netinst image, but that doesn't seem to be a standalone thing |
| 09:25.57 | aitor | i'm going to buy some potatos |
| 09:26.09 | aitor | potato: ñam, ñam |
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| 10:42.05 | gnarface | gmcastil: for whatever it's worth, on an inspiron 530, i had a problem where grub seemed to never load, so i switched to lilo and discovered lilo's progress meter showing a long slow loading time that i simply wasn't patient enough to wait for. grub may never have finished loading though i dunno. I also discovered the thing could only boot off regular (2GB or smaller) SD cards, SDHC or anything larger than 2GB was |
| 10:42.06 | gnarface | completely a no-go, but unless you have a progress meter on the boot loader startup there's no way to tell the difference between these two failure states. |
| 10:42.12 | gnarface | conclusion: dell's bioses suck |
| 10:42.49 | gnarface | gmcastil: to be clear though, lilo did work it just took a good couple minutes to boot every time |
| 10:43.20 | gnarface | i switched to a 40$ SSD and it was worth every penny |
| 10:43.46 | gnarface | it now boots faster than it posts |
| 10:47.48 | gnarface | gmcastil: and, to be clear, partitioning the USB/SDHC devices to just boot off a 2GB or smaller partition was not sufficient. it had a problem with the devices being too big period, for booting. after boot, they were still accessible fully. the SATA ports did not exhibit this limitation |
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| 10:48.48 | vvande | I just found this channel. nice to see :) |
| 10:49.09 | vvande | did a fresh install and now I can't install the editor "ne" |
| 10:49.28 | vvande | "Unable to locate package ne" |
| 10:49.59 | KatolaZ | vvande: have you configured the mirror? |
| 10:50.11 | KatolaZ | in sources.list, I mean |
| 10:50.23 | vvande | I un commented the ones there. |
| 10:50.33 | KatolaZ | what do you have there> |
| 10:50.33 | vvande | and added backports |
| 10:50.35 | KatolaZ | ? |
| 10:50.38 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 10:50.45 | KatolaZ | what do you have there? |
| 10:51.08 | vvande | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main contrib non-free |
| 10:51.28 | vvande | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free |
| 10:51.41 | vvande | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
| 10:51.45 | KatolaZ | and that's it? |
| 10:51.52 | vvande | plus sources for the top two |
| 10:51.55 | KatolaZ | you need to add: |
| 10:52.07 | KatolaZ | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 10:52.16 | KatolaZ | which installer did you use? |
| 10:52.27 | vvande | the graphical easy one |
| 10:52.29 | KatolaZ | (that's a bug, I am filing a bug report) |
| 10:52.33 | KatolaZ | live? |
| 10:52.36 | KatolaZ | or installer-iso? |
| 10:52.39 | vvande | I'm not a neubie, but that worked for this purpose |
| 10:54.17 | vvande | devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_i386_CD.iso |
| 10:54.38 | vvande | (sorry it took me so long) had to check my downloads folder - the machine is on another floor. lol |
| 10:55.30 | KatolaZ | oh |
| 10:55.38 | KatolaZ | but that is the BETA2 ! |
| 10:55.46 | KatolaZ | you should use the RC... |
| 10:55.49 | KatolaZ | anyway |
| 10:56.02 | KatolaZ | just add the repo |
| 10:56.23 | KatolaZ | apt-get update |
| 10:56.42 | vvande | yep, just did that |
| 10:56.53 | KatolaZ | you should be fine now |
| 10:56.55 | vvande | that ISO is the only one I could find today |
| 10:56.56 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 10:57.00 | KatolaZ | oh ok |
| 10:57.01 | KatolaZ | no prob |
| 10:57.10 | KatolaZ | but it might still has some bugs |
| 10:57.15 | vvande | Thank you very much for your help. |
| 10:57.25 | vvande | can I just upgrade that one? |
| 10:57.32 | KatolaZ | most of them will be gone with a dist-upgrade |
| 10:57.42 | KatolaZ | yes, but if you use backports you are on your own ;) |
| 10:57.48 | vvande | ok, that will be fine - this is not my main machine |
| 10:58.14 | vvande | ok so you are saying I should remove the backports entry in apt-get.sources? |
| 10:58.36 | KatolaZ | I am not saying that |
| 10:58.37 | vvande | sources.list I mean |
| 10:58.39 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 10:58.47 | KatolaZ | I am saying that backports might be a bit wild |
| 10:58.58 | KatolaZ | and dependencies might mess-up |
| 10:59.07 | vvande | ok, I don't need them - just added that to see if that would get my editor |
| 10:59.14 | KatolaZ | no need |
| 10:59.20 | KatolaZ | your editor is in main |
| 10:59.22 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 10:59.39 | vvande | oh good - my editor is coming in right now |
| 10:59.56 | vvande | I'm happy now. :) |
| 10:59.57 | KatolaZ | great |
| 11:00.01 | vvande | thanks again |
| 11:00.05 | KatolaZ | np |
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| 11:00.10 | vvande | and I"m so glad I found this channel |
| 11:00.17 | vvande | OH, one thing ... |
| 11:00.36 | vvande | the web page says #devuan - but does not mention the server |
| 11:00.54 | vvande | I got it on second try, but anyway .... |
| 11:01.16 | KatolaZ | vvande: you are right |
| 11:01.18 | KatolaZ | thanks! |
| 11:01.26 | KatolaZ | we will fix it |
| 11:01.27 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 11:01.59 | KatolaZ | jaromil: need to say that #devuan is on freenode in "www.devuan.org" |
| 11:03.13 | ryuujin | d |
| 11:09.35 | lowee[m] | or #freenode_#devuan:matrix.org if you use a matrix.org compatible client :) |
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| 11:22.18 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello, trying to install from the new installer. In order to have a minimal system, better go with "install" or with "advanced options -> expert install"? |
| 11:23.44 | fsmithred | Enrico_Menotti, either way, when you get to the window with list of tasks and checkboxes... |
| 11:23.50 | fsmithred | you can uncheck stuff |
| 11:24.08 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok. So "install". Ty. |
| 11:24.38 | fsmithred | expert asks you a few more questions |
| 11:24.46 | fsmithred | atm, I can't remember what they are |
| 11:25.29 | fsmithred | oh yeah, if you select Back at any time in regular install, you get the menu of installation steps that the expert install gives you |
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| 11:25.59 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok. |
| 11:26.09 | fsmithred | and you were right about a=jessie vs. n=jessie yesterday |
| 11:26.40 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, but then when I did the apt-get upgrade to downgrade, the computer stuck at some package (login). |
| 11:26.56 | Enrico_Menotti | I rebooted and could not do the disk check. |
| 11:27.05 | Enrico_Menotti | So I reinstalled the whole thing. |
| 11:27.08 | Enrico_Menotti | Redid the downgrade. |
| 11:27.10 | Enrico_Menotti | Same problem. |
| 11:27.19 | fsmithred | I managed to get rid of bpo packages, but it took a few attempts |
| 11:27.46 | Enrico_Menotti | Seems the ext4 fs which is in the live is too new for the old fs checker. |
| 11:27.54 | fsmithred | oh yeah, I think I cheated and installed aptitude at one point, and that was able to fix some problem |
| 11:28.13 | fsmithred | huh? |
| 11:28.14 | Enrico_Menotti | I tried to upgrade the util-linux package to backports again, but that failed. |
| 11:28.23 | Enrico_Menotti | Eventually I gave up. |
| 11:28.36 | fsmithred | reinstall doesn't take long with the live |
| 11:29.05 | Enrico_Menotti | No ok, but now I'll install the new image. |
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| 11:34.02 | distributedconfu | Hello, I was wondering if there are any official torrent files for downloading and distributing devuan? |
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| 11:36.59 | Helle | congrats for the 1.0 btw, related, anyone have some reasonable live images ? |
| 11:37.17 | Helle | last time I ended up using the Debian ones and screaming at various systemd components for breaking at random times |
| 11:38.29 | fsmithred | there are desktop and minimal live images - https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_rc/ |
| 11:38.51 | Enrico_Menotti | Apart from the backports problem... :) |
| 11:38.57 | Helle | fsmithred: do they include the persistence mode ? |
| 11:39.02 | fsmithred | I don't think there are any torrents yet |
| 11:39.23 | fsmithred | they use live-boot and live-config, so persistence is configured in the standard debian-live ways |
| 11:40.02 | fsmithred | brb |
| 11:43.47 | fsmithred | b |
| 11:44.21 | Helle | fsmithred: nice, thanks :) |
| 11:44.41 | fsmithred | are you going for the desktop or the minimal? |
| 11:44.55 | Helle | fsmithred: uhm, need to check what is in minimal |
| 11:45.35 | Helle | I tore into someone because turning off a LID SWITCH suspend in a modern Debian live CD was just awkward as all hell |
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| 11:46.52 | Enrico_Menotti | I'm at the installation options. What is Xfce? |
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| 11:47.42 | Helle | Enrico_Menotti: a window manager (and desktop enviroment) that is a lot lighter then even Cinnamon, while still being userfriendly |
| 11:48.10 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah ok. Don't need that. |
| 11:48.12 | Enrico_Menotti | Ty. |
| 11:49.33 | Helle | I wish someone had done something Devuan like over the fact Bluez 4 and above require dbus, still tempted |
| 11:49.47 | Helle | it makes debugging Bluetooth "fun" |
| 11:49.58 | KatolaZ | Helle: go on |
| 11:50.05 | KatolaZ | repackage it :) |
| 11:50.28 | Helle | KatolaZ: eeeh, you kinda can't, BlueZ 3 to 5 has been so much of a rewrite |
| 11:50.36 | KatolaZ | :( |
| 11:50.43 | KatolaZ | dunno much about bluez, sorry! |
| 11:50.48 | Helle | well, I guess it makes Bluetooth work identical on Linux as it does on Windows or Android, unpredictable as all hell, but it looks userfriendly |
| 11:51.14 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 11:51.27 | distributedconfu | i'll wait for torrents then and then i'll happily seed them :) |
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| 11:52.14 | Enrico_Menotti | I definitely think I have some memory problems with my old pc. The installation failed. The system crashed. I will retry. |
| 11:52.24 | Helle | Enrico_Menotti: time to run memtest86+ |
| 11:52.36 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes |
| 11:52.46 | fsmithred | KatolaZ, is memtest on the minimal live? |
| 11:55.07 | fsmithred | nm, I see it in the boot menu |
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| 11:56.24 | fsmithred | but it might not run |
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| 11:56.44 | Enrico_Menotti | fsmithred I'm doing that from my Debian installation. |
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| 12:01.26 | fsmithred | good |
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| 12:08.10 | Drugo | i'm installing RC on a VM. In tasksel all the desktop environments, including gnome and kde, are selectable. How is it possible if they have systemd as dependency? In fact, if i choose gnome, the installation fails (as expected) but theh those DEs should disappear from tasksel. How can this be a release candidate? |
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| 12:20.21 | Enrico_Menotti | Done a pass with memtest. No errors. I will try to install again. |
| 12:21.13 | fsmithred | you've had practice, so it should go well |
| 12:21.55 | Enrico_Menotti | But at the first try the installer failed. |
| 12:22.12 | fsmithred | I don't recall what the problem was. |
| 12:22.29 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: how much ram do you have on that laptop? |
| 12:22.42 | Drugo | one more "problem": the default apache page is still branded "debian" instead of "devuan". I don't know if it's the same for the other webservers |
| 12:22.53 | Enrico_Menotti | Oh don't know exactly, I think 1 GB. |
| 12:23.06 | Enrico_Menotti | But I may be wrong. |
| 12:23.31 | KatolaZ | Drugo: yes there is still some rebranding to be done |
| 12:23.39 | KatolaZ | you are welcome to help with that if you want |
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| 12:28.12 | AntoFox | Drugo: the only desktop that can be installed are mate xfce4 and lxde |
| 12:28.40 | AntoFox | (never verified if it is possible to install kde) |
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| 12:29.27 | Drugo | AntoFox, yes but then the other entries should be removed from tasksel. That could confuse new users |
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| 12:35.10 | ryuujin | ls |
| 12:37.55 | gnarface | vvande: from my personal experience, it's usually best to update and dist-upgrade everything to current without backports, then after adding any non-free firmware or drivers, selectively pull in just what you want from backports. where i've run into trouble was in leaving backports enabled and forgetting i'd done so |
| 12:42.32 | fsmithred | if you pin backports to a lower priority, you will only get bpo packages if you ask for them specifically |
| 12:42.49 | gnarface | that's a good trick too |
| 12:43.04 | gnarface | didn't know about it at the time |
| 12:43.23 | fsmithred | yeah, been there, done that. |
| 12:44.36 | fsmithred | make a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d containing: |
| 12:44.38 | fsmithred | Package: * |
| 12:44.38 | fsmithred | Pin: release a=jessie-backports |
| 12:44.38 | fsmithred | Pin-Priority: 100 |
| 12:49.11 | gnarface | configure: libOSMesa 64-bit development files not found (or too old), OpenGL rendering in bitmaps won't be supported. |
| 12:49.26 | gnarface | what's libOSMesa? i don't need that for Nvidia do i? |
| 12:49.46 | fsmithred | you just trying to install nvidia driver? |
| 12:49.53 | gnarface | no trying to build wine 2.6 |
| 12:50.09 | gnarface | (64-bit) |
| 12:50.21 | Enrico_Menotti | Guys I'm unable to install the base system utilities. The computer crashes. |
| 12:50.26 | Enrico_Menotti | (Third time.) |
| 12:50.52 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: define "crashes" in more detail? |
| 12:51.09 | fsmithred | you're using regular installer iso? |
| 12:51.15 | Enrico_Menotti | Hangs with two leds flashing (caps lock and num lock). |
| 12:51.21 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, regular installer iso. |
| 12:51.39 | Enrico_Menotti | The core installs, but after that it fails. |
| 12:51.43 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: should it be n=jessie-backports? |
| 12:51.55 | fsmithred | no |
| 12:52.00 | fsmithred | well, I don't know |
| 12:52.16 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: i would run memtest on it, including the extended optional tests (bit-fade) |
| 12:52.16 | KatolaZ | you are using the name of the repo... |
| 12:52.27 | fsmithred | but my pin file has a=jessie-backports and n=ascii, n=ceres |
| 12:52.31 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: make sure the disk isn't out of space too though |
| 12:52.48 | fsmithred | one is a release name, one is a repo name (or some such logic) |
| 12:53.06 | fsmithred | got a=experimental, too |
| 12:53.14 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface I have 10 GB reserved for the install. Is that enough? |
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| 12:53.25 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: depends on what you choose, but in most cases, yes |
| 12:53.32 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: should be more than enough.... |
| 12:53.42 | Enrico_Menotti | No desktop. So I think it's enough. |
| 12:53.58 | fsmithred | 4gb is enough with xfce, but I wouldn't recommend it |
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| 12:54.24 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: if you ctrl+alt+F2, F3, F4, you should see other terminals, one of them might tell you some relevant errors. |
| 12:54.53 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface The memtest went fine, although without extended optional tests. |
| 12:55.16 | Enrico_Menotti | I didn't try with the other terminals, but it seems to me the system got completely hanging. |
| 12:55.27 | Enrico_Menotti | I will try one further time. |
| 12:55.41 | gnarface | yea, blinking keyboard lights is usually indicative of a hardware level faceplant |
| 12:56.13 | gnarface | overheating, dirty power, bios bug, kernel bug, all potential culprits here too |
| 12:56.38 | fsmithred | old computer - check power supply and clean dust |
| 12:56.40 | gnarface | but *usually* the system console at least manages to spit out some sort of bug unless it's a problem in the graphics driver itself |
| 12:57.02 | gnarface | if the graphics driver goes, especially with nvidia, there's a lot of a "full freeze" behavior, no errors output anywhere |
| 12:57.16 | gnarface | (in those cases, try the text-mode installer instead of the GUI one) |
| 12:57.39 | Enrico_Menotti | I'm not in GUI installer. |
| 12:57.43 | gnarface | oh |
| 12:57.48 | gnarface | usually the text one is a lot more stable |
| 12:57.56 | gnarface | that suggests it's NOT a driver problem |
| 12:58.02 | gnarface | er, at least not a *video* driver problem |
| 12:58.22 | gnarface | no guarantees though |
| 13:00.28 | Enrico_Menotti | It may be overheating. Would not be a surprise. |
| 13:01.15 | gnarface | definitely check the error console, also check motherboard manual for trouble codes |
| 13:01.18 | Enrico_Menotti | The strange thing is that the base system goes just fine. It should be more demanding. |
| 13:01.25 | gnarface | make sure the system pc speaker is connected, listen for beep codes |
| 13:01.50 | gnarface | some models even have error lights that blink in specific coded sequences to report error states |
| 13:02.38 | Enrico_Menotti | I don't know anything about these things at present. The speaker is connected, but does not beep. |
| 13:04.02 | gnarface | there are legitimate problems with things like power management on some models. you might need some safe-mode style kernel options like noapic, nolapic, acpi=off |
| 13:04.45 | gnarface | (usually it doesn't get all the way to downloading packages before something goes wrong with that though) |
| 13:05.26 | Enrico_Menotti | I have been able to install Debian with the standard installer without any problem - and the power management is on. |
| 13:05.44 | gnarface | oh hmm. interesting |
| 13:06.12 | gnarface | that's very interesting because in theory the only real functional difference between theirs and the devuan one should be the *presence* of non-free firmware |
| 13:06.21 | gnarface | so maybe your bug lies somewhere therein |
| 13:06.58 | gnarface | the devuan guys decided to include non-free firmware for stuff like wifi drivers to enable easier install on laptops and mobile devices |
| 13:07.19 | gnarface | out of curiosity, are you installing via wifi? |
| 13:07.33 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes it's a laptop. I'm not using the network at all. Only cd. |
| 13:07.48 | gnarface | oh so it crashes in the middle of the netinstall before even getting to the end?? |
| 13:07.58 | gnarface | before even downloading from online? |
| 13:08.00 | gnarface | oy vey |
| 13:08.09 | gnarface | that's definitely a problem |
| 13:08.12 | Enrico_Menotti | I ask it not to download. |
| 13:08.17 | gnarface | i'm gonna hope it's overheating because that should be easy to fix |
| 13:08.41 | bluemarlin | gnarface: shouldn't he see what's going on in dmesg? |
| 13:09.04 | gnarface | bluemarlin: i politely mentioned the error console |
| 13:09.28 | gnarface | bluemarlin: by the time it happens the system may be fully frozen though, i'm not clear on that part yet |
| 13:09.32 | Enrico_Menotti | It's the third time I am able to do the installation of the core system. Now I will ask again for the standard system utilities. Let's see. |
| 13:10.01 | gnarface | maybe install the standard system utilities after the install completes and you've achieved first boot? |
| 13:10.09 | gnarface | i know that doesn't solve the mystery, but it may get you up and running at least |
| 13:10.25 | Enrico_Menotti | It's an idea. Let me try this last time before that. |
| 13:10.32 | Enrico_Menotti | I'd like to see what happens. |
| 13:11.19 | Enrico_Menotti | Oh yes, to install the standard system utilities I'd need a network. And for that I need to build the driver. And for that I need the build toolchain. |
| 13:11.30 | Enrico_Menotti | Or not? |
| 13:12.03 | gnarface | only if you're not lucky enough to have a supported device |
| 13:12.21 | Enrico_Menotti | It's not supported from Devuan with non-free drivers. |
| 13:12.51 | gnarface | but it was in debian? |
| 13:13.01 | Enrico_Menotti | Sorry, meant Debian. |
| 13:13.16 | Enrico_Menotti | It's not supported in Debian with non-free drivers. |
| 13:13.27 | gnarface | yea i guess then your only option is to build a driver. you'll probably want to do that after completing the install |
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| 13:13.56 | gnarface | do you have an ethernet line you can use temporarily until the wifi driver is built? (i'm assuming here there is even an out-of-tree one available... you'd know better than i) |
| 13:14.42 | Enrico_Menotti | Out-of-tree driver? Yes, I got it. |
| 13:14.58 | Enrico_Menotti | The ehernet line? I could but it's uncomfortable. |
| 13:15.09 | Enrico_Menotti | I will though if it's really needed. |
| 13:15.47 | Enrico_Menotti | Note that both time the system crashed, the select and install software went up to 95/98% before stopping. |
| 13:16.14 | gnarface | that's weird, really behaving like it's overheating or a memory issue |
| 13:16.17 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: out of curiosity - could you share manufacturer and model of the device you're having trouble with? |
| 13:16.22 | gnarface | overheating isn't usually so predictable |
| 13:16.29 | gnarface | memory issues can be though |
| 13:17.10 | Enrico_Menotti | bluemarlin Yes, it's an old Fujitsu Siemens C-series lifebook. |
| 13:17.26 | Enrico_Menotti | No overheating I think. It crashed again. This time rebooting. |
| 13:17.42 | Enrico_Menotti | I'm giving up - I will install just the base system. |
| 13:17.44 | bluemarlin | i had similar issues once, it was laptop - Thinkpad T61 to be precise - whole line had some fault in how GPU was attached to MBoard, it'd desolder itself over time |
| 13:18.18 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, but with my very old Win XP and with Debian there seem not to be problems. |
| 13:18.26 | bluemarlin | nevermind then |
| 13:19.33 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: i wonder if some firmware & driver combo is being loaded that your network device tries to use then it glitches out |
| 13:19.50 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: that would explain why the debian one didn't have the problem, at least |
| 13:22.28 | bluemarlin | How about disabling the wireless device in bios then - to prevent the driver load |
| 13:23.22 | bluemarlin | install everything and enable & debug it after system is in place |
| 13:23.29 | Enrico_Menotti | I may just disconnect it from the computer. But I don't think this be the problem. I'll do however. Last try with a full installation. |
| 13:25.22 | bluemarlin | unless it fails right after you start some installation step - switch to different VT (with CTRL+ALT+F3 for example) and run watch -n 0.1 dmesg |
| 13:25.32 | bluemarlin | so you get some live feed on what is goin in |
| 13:26.45 | bluemarlin | or better yet watch -n 0.1 "dmesg | tail" |
| 13:28.20 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I will do. |
| 13:32.02 | Enrico_Menotti | watch: not found |
| 13:33.51 | Enrico_Menotti | bluemarlin Is there any other way to watch the output of dmesg? |
| 13:34.13 | bluemarlin | just dmesg | tail then, it won't be automatic |
| 13:34.50 | bluemarlin | or you can try scripting it: while true; do sleep 0.2; dmesg | tail; done |
| 13:35.06 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok good idea. |
| 13:36.13 | Deadpan110 | whats wrong with 'dmesg -w' ? |
| 13:36.20 | gnarface | hmmm, should i attempt to build a wow64 build of wine-2.6 or should i just try the one from debian experimental? |
| 13:37.27 | bluemarlin | Deadpan110: oh - didnt know about that, seems like a rather new feature |
| 13:37.57 | Deadpan110 | :) |
| 13:38.11 | bluemarlin | "requires kernel 3.5.0" ok not that new :D |
| 13:39.00 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, crashed again. I have the info on my screen. |
| 13:39.01 | Deadpan110 | yeah... dunno about new... but even us old skewl folks learn stuffs after doin things the old way |
| 13:39.04 | Enrico_Menotti | (Some info). |
| 13:39.32 | Enrico_Menotti | Kernel panic - not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt. |
| 13:39.44 | bluemarlin | nothing more specific? |
| 13:39.52 | Enrico_Menotti | No, just a lot of numbers. |
| 13:40.07 | bluemarlin | argh with the tail it probably printed just the dump |
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| 13:41.15 | Enrico_Menotti | In any case, at this point I'd say there's a problem with the installer. |
| 13:41.28 | Enrico_Menotti | Note that I removed all external hardware before installing. |
| 13:42.19 | Enrico_Menotti | I will shutdown and reinstall just the base system. |
| 13:42.31 | bluemarlin | well if it was over heating you'd see the CPU throttling messages first before the kernel panic |
| 13:43.21 | Enrico_Menotti | There was some confusion. But I don't think overheating. It happened three (or four) times, always at the same point. And with the computer in different places. |
| 13:43.43 | bluemarlin | yea it's unlikely |
| 13:45.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | err what? try `dmesg -w` maybe, instead of using watch -n 0.1 |
| 13:45.58 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 Another install? |
| 13:46.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | hm? |
| 13:46.13 | Enrico_Menotti | It's the fifth time I try. |
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| 13:46.36 | fsmithred | it only crashes with the debian-installer, and not with the live installer? |
| 13:46.43 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes. |
| 13:47.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, Deadpan110 already had that covered |
| 13:47.44 | fsmithred | always at 95%? |
| 13:47.49 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes. |
| 13:48.04 | fsmithred | hm |
| 13:48.17 | fsmithred | I'd probably install bootloader and run it |
| 13:48.35 | fsmithred | check to see what got installed |
| 13:48.39 | Enrico_Menotti | I will install just the base system. |
| 13:49.02 | Enrico_Menotti | Then skip any further software. |
| 13:49.16 | fsmithred | yeah, you can add stuff later |
| 13:51.01 | Enrico_Menotti | fsmithred But do you think the installer is broken? |
| 13:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: which kernel modules is the installer kernel using? possibly the newly installed ones? shouldn't and I'm quite sure it doesn't, but... kernel panic, JMMM |
| 13:51.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | HMMM even |
| 13:51.54 | fsmithred | no, I'm pretty sure it uses what's in the iso. |
| 13:52.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-04-22 Sat 15:39:32] <Enrico_Menotti> Kernel panic - not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt. |
| 13:52.20 | fsmithred | the installer just got fixed because it ran the wrong kernel, but it installed the correct one |
| 13:52.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | we'd need more details about the PANIC |
| 13:53.01 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 How to? |
| 13:53.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred is more competent how to accomplish this in installer context |
| 13:53.50 | fsmithred | well, you're leaning away from the overheating theory, but the big difference between debian-installer and the live installer is that the debian installer has to un-pack and configure packages, the live installer just copies already configured stuff, so it's less work for the cpu. |
| 13:54.09 | fsmithred | DocScrutinizer05 assumes I know what I'm doing. |
| 13:54.28 | fsmithred | I'm just good at sounding like I know. |
| 13:54.40 | fsmithred | I really don't know the debian installer very well |
| 13:54.44 | fsmithred | not the guts. |
| 13:56.12 | fsmithred | Enrico_Menotti, have you wiped the last install yet? |
| 13:56.28 | Enrico_Menotti | fsmithred I understand the different work for the cpu, but it's strange it always crashes at the same point. Just to add details, it seems to me that the first time the crash occurred at 98%, the other two times at 95%. |
| 13:56.43 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, I'm installing again. |
| 13:56.49 | fsmithred | ok |
| 13:57.10 | Enrico_Menotti | I'm about done with the base install. |
| 13:57.15 | fsmithred | cool |
| 13:57.41 | Enrico_Menotti | If you have any idea about how to debug the software install, I would try. Otherwise, I will skip that step and see whether the system boots. |
| 13:58.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: I don't think the problem is actually installer related. It's just the installer environment that complicates usual approach here |
| 13:58.04 | fsmithred | install as little as possible. you just need to get in. |
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| 13:59.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: is there maybe mtdoops available as kernel module? |
| 13:59.07 | bluemarlin | you could also rule out overheating - by executing something like dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null & multiple times ... and see if it crashes |
| 13:59.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | or maybe the hw platform has another way to get console log in a persistent way during installation |
| 14:00.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah, overheating _should_ not cause a kernel panic |
| 14:00.21 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, now I will try to skip the incriminated passage. Just I'd like to understand what the problem is. |
| 14:01.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | I suspect it's about some device probing resp some kernel modprobe |
| 14:01.26 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: dmesg? |
| 14:01.36 | KatolaZ | there is a syslog tee going on on tty4 |
| 14:01.39 | KatolaZ | in the installer |
| 14:01.43 | KatolaZ | or |
| 14:01.49 | KatolaZ | just look ar /var/log/syslog |
| 14:01.53 | KatolaZ | from another console |
| 14:01.55 | KatolaZ | whatever |
| 14:02.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, when it's a normal system (laptop, PC) then a VT should have a comsole log |
| 14:02.21 | bluemarlin | KatolaZ: he gets kernel panic - it freezes fully and it's installer |
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| 14:03.30 | Enrico_Menotti | So guys, I'm about to decide what to do now. Should I try again with the standard system utilities, which would crash for sure, or skip it and see whether I get something? |
| 14:03.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | redirect console=whatever to spam the installer UI? would make handling installer a tad messy but would allow to see the last N lines of console log at least |
| 14:03.55 | fsmithred | are you at tasksel screen? |
| 14:04.00 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: but _what_ crashes, exactly? |
| 14:04.03 | Enrico_Menotti | fsmithred Yes. |
| 14:04.19 | fsmithred | uncheck everything and you'll have enough to work with |
| 14:04.25 | Enrico_Menotti | KatolaZ The machine stops and that's it. |
| 14:04.38 | KatolaZ | what does the panic log say? |
| 14:05.01 | KatolaZ | anyway |
| 14:05.04 | bluemarlin | KatolaZ: fsmithred> always at 95%? |
| 14:05.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | KatolaZ: how would he watch the panic log when he's on installer screen and device frozen? |
| 14:05.14 | bluemarlin | meh wrong paste |
| 14:05.35 | Enrico_Menotti | KatolaZ The only thing I can understand is about non syncing. The rest are numbers. |
| 14:05.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | sysreq keys to the resque maybe |
| 14:05.49 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: how does he know that the kernel panic-ed then> |
| 14:05.50 | KatolaZ | ? |
| 14:05.57 | bluemarlin | from dmesg |
| 14:06.05 | KatolaZ | so he can see dmesg |
| 14:06.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't get it either |
| 14:06.17 | KatolaZ | during a kernel panic?!? |
| 14:06.28 | KatolaZ | o_O |
| 14:06.37 | Enrico_Menotti | KatolaZ I switched to another console. Used dmesg in a loop. When the kernel got panic I got the last messages on screen. |
| 14:07.03 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: just |
| 14:07.08 | KatolaZ | tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 14:07.19 | KatolaZ | which is what you have already |
| 14:07.21 | KatolaZ | on tty4 |
| 14:07.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | then instead of showing kernel log to screen that way, could he maybe redirect the output to... a printer? |
| 14:07.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | or a file that frequently gets synced |
| 14:07.52 | KatolaZ | anyway Enrico_Menotti |
| 14:08.00 | KatolaZ | try to get the bare minimum installed |
| 14:08.07 | KatolaZ | we will get rid of d-i, sooner or later |
| 14:08.11 | KatolaZ | it's just a matter of time |
| 14:08.23 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I will deselect everything. Let's see what happens. |
| 14:08.27 | KatolaZ | it has become a bloated mess, to use and to debug... |
| 14:08.43 | bluemarlin | KatolaZ: that'd be nice! |
| 14:08.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | a kernel panic has several 100 lines of very valuable info, incl what exaclty been the module the kernel panicked in |
| 14:09.10 | DPA | dmesg has a --follow option, so a loop isn't needed |
| 14:09.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, we had that dmesg -w |
| 14:10.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | though I'd rather hope for syslog and maybe move the syslog to a persistent file (instead of ramdisk where it's prolly now) |
| 14:10.37 | KatolaZ | bbl |
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| 14:11.51 | Enrico_Menotti | Guys, I'm at the next step - the grub. Since I have it from Debian, I asked the installer not to install it. But apparently it isn't doing what I want: it asks me where do I want the grub installed. |
| 14:12.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enrico_Menotti: fuzzing with installer options is very unlikely to be an effective way to tackle a kernel panic. Kernel isn't supposed to pnainc no matter what any arbitrary app does |
| 14:12.59 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 I'm just trying to get a booting system. |
| 14:13.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | afk, l8r |
| 14:13.11 | Enrico_Menotti | ? |
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| 14:13.28 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: just let it get reinstalled - shouldnt pose a problem |
| 14:14.02 | Enrico_Menotti | bluemarlin I have another option. Selected "back" and got the list of steps in the installation process. I will skip the grub, ok? |
| 14:14.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enrico_Menotti: you won't solve a kernel panic issue with installer options |
| 14:14.31 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 I'm skipping the step which leads to kernel panic. |
| 14:14.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can't |
| 14:14.49 | Enrico_Menotti | So what would you do now? |
| 14:15.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm going to do weekend shopping now |
| 14:15.20 | Enrico_Menotti | ... |
| 14:15.25 | bluemarlin | lol |
| 14:15.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I explained above we need the full kernel panic log |
| 14:15.48 | fsmithred | Enrico_Menotti, correct - do not install grub |
| 14:15.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | and suggested a few ways how to get that |
| 14:16.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | kernel panic is no installer problem |
| 14:16.58 | Enrico_Menotti | So guys, now should I try to have a booting system or to go again to kernel panic and get a log? |
| 14:17.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | (unless installer installed incorrect kernel or non-matching kernel modules. and even then it will only show up when rebooting) |
| 14:18.12 | Enrico_Menotti | fsmithred What do you think? |
| 14:18.26 | fsmithred | can you save the log once you get it? |
| 14:18.36 | Enrico_Menotti | I don't see a way. |
| 14:18.41 | fsmithred | camera? |
| 14:19.01 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, but it would be just a screen. The last part. |
| 14:19.29 | fsmithred | might have the right information |
| 14:19.52 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok. So I will do for the last time that step. Let's see. I will: |
| 14:19.56 | Enrico_Menotti | 1. start that step |
| 14:19.58 | fsmithred | wait |
| 14:20.03 | fsmithred | last step was install grub? |
| 14:20.11 | fsmithred | in previous installs? |
| 14:20.17 | Enrico_Menotti | No, I mean select and install software. |
| 14:20.22 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 14:20.25 | fsmithred | um |
| 14:20.26 | fsmithred | no |
| 14:20.37 | fsmithred | that might mess up the installed system |
| 14:20.46 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, of course. |
| 14:20.57 | fsmithred | and the goal is to have an installed system |
| 14:20.58 | Enrico_Menotti | It would for sure lead to the need of a new installation. |
| 14:21.07 | Enrico_Menotti | It would be just to have a log of what happened. |
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| 14:21.30 | Enrico_Menotti | If the goal is to have a log, I would try again; if the goal is to install the system, I would not. |
| 14:21.35 | fsmithred | if the problem persists after installation, you'll have other opportunities to diagnose it |
| 14:21.40 | Enrico_Menotti | So let's decide what we want now. |
| 14:21.40 | fsmithred | exactly |
| 14:22.01 | fsmithred | someone else will have to make that call, because I don't know how to read a kernel panic |
| 14:22.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | shakes head |
| 14:23.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | you still seem to think you can somehow avoid the kernel panic to get a working system installed. I doubt this will fly |
| 14:24.02 | DPA | You could try to bootstrap the system manually, without the installer |
| 14:24.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's a good approach |
| 14:24.34 | Enrico_Menotti | Again, what do we want? A running system or info about the problem? |
| 14:24.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | again, you seem to think, meh not again |
| 14:25.19 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: Get the info about the problem, then install the system another way - not using this installer |
| 14:25.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | is out |
| 14:25.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ITS NOT THE INSTALLER CRASHING THE SYSTEM |
| 14:25.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | ITS the kernel! |
| 14:26.34 | micromar | hello. I have discovered at least 1 pkg that was removed from Debian repos apparently because systemd provides the functionality.... |
| 14:26.37 | bluemarlin | DocScrutinizer05: Yes - we know that, but from what he said: Only this particular system image crashes |
| 14:26.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | **NO** app may make the kernel crash |
| 14:26.40 | micromar | Obviously, such pkgs should be in Devuan or the functionality is lost. |
| 14:26.49 | micromar | I haven't been able to find a proper place or person to contact to report these "missing" pkgs. |
| 14:26.55 | micromar | Suggestions would be appreciated. |
| 14:27.17 | buZz | ttps://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues |
| 14:27.21 | buZz | what about there? |
| 14:28.03 | bluemarlin | DocScrutinizer05: according to him Devuan Live image works, debian works, ubuntu works... so i'm suggesting to him - take a photo of the kernel dump that happens when he tries to install devuan with the installer image. then use different image... |
| 14:28.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:28.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | get the panic log |
| 14:28.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | the problem is in kernel |
| 14:28.46 | micromar | buZz: Certainly, I can try that if those of you involved think it's the appropriate place. |
| 14:29.05 | buZz | i think its appropriate, and couldnt really think of a better place :) |
| 14:29.11 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, so I would do the following: |
| 14:29.14 | fsmithred | micromar, yes |
| 14:29.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | (unless somebody did something very very silly like `sudo cat /proc/kmem` |
| 14:29.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
| 14:29.39 | Enrico_Menotti | 1. start again "Select and install software" |
| 14:29.49 | Enrico_Menotti | 2. Enter another VT |
| 14:30.02 | micromar | ok, thanks guys. And thanks for the work all of you do for the project. It's working great for me. |
| 14:30.34 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: 3. You run dmesg -w |
| 14:30.35 | Enrico_Menotti | 3. What? dmesg -w? And a picture? Or is there some way to dump dmesg to a file dynamically so that when the kernel panics we have the last log? |
| 14:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enrico_Menotti: enter console4 as KatolaZ suggested, you should already see the live log there |
| 14:31.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | no need for dmesg |
| 14:31.24 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 Yes, but in this way I'd see only the last part of the log. |
| 14:31.33 | fsmithred | how to save the file? |
| 14:31.37 | Enrico_Menotti | Is there a way to get it continuously saved to a file? |
| 14:31.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | then before crashing the system you need to adjust where the log gets written to |
| 14:32.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | on a system level |
| 14:32.21 | Enrico_Menotti | I may do that. But I don't know how. |
| 14:32.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | like redefining where /var/log/syslog lives, move that to a persistent storage |
| 14:32.47 | Enrico_Menotti | How to? |
| 14:32.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | or have a kernel commandline with "console=/dev/ttyS1" and attach a printer, or somesuch |
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| 14:33.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | (how) sorry about terse answer: man rsyslog. I have to run do shopping |
| 14:33.30 | buZz | serial printer :D |
| 14:33.35 | buZz | who still has those? |
| 14:33.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | bbl |
| 14:35.04 | fsmithred | if you can mount a usb stick, you can redirect to a file there |
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| 14:35.54 | mchasard | hello |
| 14:36.11 | mchasard | just hear about devuan |
| 14:36.27 | mchasard | whats the difference with debean? |
| 14:36.29 | Enrico_Menotti | fsmithred Yes, that's my idea. How to? |
| 14:37.01 | fsmithred | tail -f /var/log/syslog | tee /path/to/file |
| 14:37.02 | MinceR | devuan is what debian used to be and what debian could have been |
| 14:37.13 | MinceR | a free, stable, universal operating system |
| 14:37.16 | buZz | mchasard: devuan is the debian style that stallman can still appreciate |
| 14:37.30 | MinceR | also, a GNU/Linux distribution |
| 14:38.05 | MinceR | gnome with tomboy (and thus mono) by default is also a thing of the past, finally |
| 14:38.46 | mchasard | i hear that apps are not really up todate and we have to pass through backports to get newer version ? |
| 14:39.16 | buZz | its same versions as jessie |
| 14:39.24 | buZz | so, no idea where you heared that |
| 14:39.25 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: attach another usb drive, mount it, turn off caching, then do what fsmithred said |
| 14:39.26 | fsmithred | it's based on debian, so of course the software is old |
| 14:39.29 | fsmithred | that's a feature |
| 14:39.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: won't fly, since a kernel panic doesn't run userland processes after logging own diagnostic output. An OOPS would, a PANIC not |
| 14:40.07 | bluemarlin | ah damn |
| 14:40.12 | fsmithred | oh. |
| 14:40.20 | fsmithred | so how to save? video camera? |
| 14:40.28 | fsmithred | printer sounds scary |
| 14:40.38 | fsmithred | lotta paper |
| 14:40.43 | Enrico_Menotti | Don't have a printer available here. |
| 14:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | one way, yes. Or move syslog file directly to another storage |
| 14:40.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | it should still sync the syslog |
| 14:41.01 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, I'd move the syslog file. But I don't know the way. |
| 14:41.04 | fsmithred | other than a second usb? |
| 14:41.08 | bluemarlin | mount bind the usb drive without caching over /var/log ? |
| 14:41.11 | mchasard | i just want give a try ..;to make me an idea |
| 14:41.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | or mtdoops |
| 14:41.33 | Enrico_Menotti | For your info, I have the usb mounted. |
| 14:41.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | bluemarlin: yes |
| 14:42.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | or just redirect output in rsyslogconfig. not ure if rsyslog still owks in panic, mayve does |
| 14:42.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | works* |
| 14:42.59 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah ok. So mount /dev/sdb1 /var/log/syslog, right? |
| 14:43.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | just mount to /var/log |
| 14:43.56 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah ok. The syslog file will be created, right? |
| 14:44.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | syslog will get created as regular file in there |
| 14:44.08 | bluemarlin | DocScrutinizer05: he still needs to turn of caching on that usb filesystem |
| 14:44.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 14:44.33 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, please let me know the details about caching. Sorry. |
| 14:44.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | though rsyslog takes special care to sync, see man rsyslog |
| 14:45.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure if all this works for a kernel panic, maybe you actually need video camera |
| 14:45.19 | mchasard | live usb are avaliable and also 32bits ? |
| 14:45.33 | bluemarlin | mchasard: yes |
| 14:45.53 | fsmithred | all the isos are isohybrid |
| 14:46.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | also google for "magic sysreq key" |
| 14:46.17 | mchasard | one only iso so ? |
| 14:46.32 | mchasard | ok |
| 14:46.34 | mchasard | thanks |
| 14:46.40 | fsmithred | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_rc/ |
| 14:46.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key |
| 14:47.06 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: is 'hdparm' command on the system? hdparm -W 0 /dev/<the-usb> should disable write cache |
| 14:47.15 | fsmithred | mchasard, lots of isos to choose from |
| 14:48.04 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 14:49.08 | Enrico_Menotti | bluemarlin hdparm not found... |
| 14:49.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | to start with, however, make sure your kernel / system matches your hardware, Use uname -a etc for that |
| 14:49.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enrico_Menotti: what a hw platform is this anyway? |
| 14:50.18 | mchasard | with wich desktp by default its done ? |
| 14:50.44 | bluemarlin | DocScrutinizer05: he said core 2 duo - so x86 |
| 14:51.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | laptop? tablet? |
| 14:51.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | something special about it? |
| 14:51.31 | Enrico_Menotti | Laptop. It's a Fujitsu Siemens C Series lifebook. |
| 14:51.33 | mchasard | could we instal from liveusb ? |
| 14:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | OUCH |
| 14:51.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | re Fujitsu Siemens |
| 14:52.27 | bluemarlin | mchasard: yes - you download the appropriate iso and either burn it to DVD or dd it into usb drive. default desktop is xfce |
| 14:52.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | mchasard: XFCE, and yes |
| 14:52.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | mchasard: adaik |
| 14:53.04 | mchasard | xfce is there an lxqt version ? |
| 14:53.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | is away for good |
| 14:53.55 | bluemarlin | mchasard: you'd have to make it. Have some mercy on the Devuan guys, how many ISOs should they maintain :D |
| 14:54.21 | Enrico_Menotti | FPC05041BP is the product number. |
| 14:55.48 | bluemarlin | wait a sec that was old in 2009 - how much ram does it even have |
| 14:55.57 | mchasard | or shoul i chosse minimal iso and that choose lxqt desktop ... islxqt in the positorys ? |
| 14:55.57 | bluemarlin | are you sure it's core 2 duo? which number |
| 14:56.18 | Enrico_Menotti | bluemarlin I didn't say core 2 duo. I said just the model. |
| 14:56.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/fujitsu.html might have valuable info |
| 14:57.19 | Enrico_Menotti | In any case, after inserting the usb stick, from dmesg I read: |
| 14:57.27 | Enrico_Menotti | No Caching mode page found |
| 14:57.40 | Enrico_Menotti | Assuming drive cache: write through |
| 14:57.50 | bluemarlin | mchasard: yes it's in the repo, from what i understand devuan dynamically synchronizes with debian - so all software from debian that doesnt explicitly require systemd should be available in devuan as well. |
| 14:57.54 | Enrico_Menotti | Does this mean cache is disabled? |
| 14:58.05 | fsmithred | mchasard, I sent PM to you |
| 14:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla |
| 14:58.08 | infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla |
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| 14:59.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevermind my "OUCH", was about Amilo, but maybe FuSi is generally nasty on linux |
| 15:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | or I'mmistaken |
| 15:00.41 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: no i dont think that means it will write directly to the device |
| 15:01.56 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: you have to mount it with -o sync |
| 15:02.17 | Enrico_Menotti | mount -o sync /dev/sdb1 /var/log? |
| 15:02.27 | bluemarlin | yea that should do |
| 15:03.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://serverfault.com/questions/245530/how-can-i-see-logs-in-a-server-after-a-kernel-panic-hang |
| 15:04.08 | bluemarlin | serial link or network ... well he has neither |
| 15:05.51 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: wait a second - are you sure with the /dev/sdb1 ? |
| 15:06.06 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes. Checked the content after mounting. |
| 15:06.39 | gnarface | there is a devuan experimental right? |
| 15:07.16 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: ok, the do the mount, maybe restart log service ... and try the install i guess |
| 15:07.31 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: maybe it will work |
| 15:08.12 | Enrico_Menotti | bluemarlin All done, I just did not restart the log service. Do you think I need also that? |
| 15:08.51 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: have the log files been re-created in the now-mounted /var/log? |
| 15:09.10 | Enrico_Menotti | Now not. |
| 15:09.18 | bluemarlin | then restart it |
| 15:09.40 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok. Could you please let me know the syntax? |
| 15:09.45 | bluemarlin | /etc/init.d/rsyslog restart i think |
| 15:09.52 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok. |
| 15:10.58 | Enrico_Menotti | No, /etc/init.d/rsyslog not found. |
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| 15:12.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | see if there's a syslog file in original /var/log |
| 15:12.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or messages, or anything |
| 15:12.52 | fsmithred | gnarface, yes, there is experimental: deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan experimental main |
| 15:13.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | odds are installer doesn't start rsyslog |
| 15:13.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | alias uhls=':(){ echo `readlink -f $1`; mkdir /tmp/uh && mount --bind / /tmp/uh && pushd /tmp/uh && ls -lR `readlink -f $1` && popd && umount /tmp/uh && rmdir /tmp/uh; };:' |
| 15:14.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | uhls /var/log |
| 15:14.47 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 In /var/log I have a syslog file. Let me read it. |
| 15:15.08 | Enrico_Menotti | There is no init.d directory inside /etc. |
| 15:15.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: |
| 15:15.42 | bluemarlin | damn .. i know shit how these installer images work :( |
| 15:15.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ps aux|grep syslog |
| 15:15.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | neither |
| 15:16.13 | Enrico_Menotti | cat syslog gives a lot of info. |
| 15:16.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
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| 15:16.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | try less /var/log syslog |
| 15:17.00 | Enrico_Menotti | less: not found |
| 15:17.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | g G to go start / end |
| 15:17.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | damn |
| 15:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | crippled sytem |
| 15:17.27 | rrq | "vi /var/log/syslog" |
| 15:17.33 | DPA | or more |
| 15:17.34 | Enrico_Menotti | vi not found |
| 15:17.55 | bluemarlin | well apparently the syslog file was recreated in the mount... so maybe it works :D |
| 15:17.58 | fsmithred | nano |
| 15:18.14 | Enrico_Menotti | bluemarlin No this is the file after umount. |
| 15:18.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, not AIUI |
| 15:18.22 | bluemarlin | ah |
| 15:18.24 | Enrico_Menotti | If I mount there is no syslog file. |
| 15:18.40 | Enrico_Menotti | nano is there. |
| 15:18.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | tail -f /var/log/syslog, wait if something new shows up |
| 15:19.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? no vi but nano? :-o |
| 15:19.20 | buZz | yeah fuck vi :P |
| 15:19.25 | gnarface | hmmm, new wine is not in the devuan experimental |
| 15:20.46 | Enrico_Menotti | I have some problems in going to the last line. Never used nano. Also the keyboard is configured as US when the symbols written are Italian. :/ |
| 15:21.08 | bluemarlin | gnarface: try to use these? https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian |
| 15:21.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy, nobody in a sane mind watches syslog file with nano |
| 15:21.28 | gnarface | bluemarlin: i did not, didn't want to mix distros |
| 15:22.25 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 It seems the simplest thing since this editor is there. But I had been lucky with tail. I read the messages about inserting the usb stick. |
| 15:22.58 | fsmithred | a pager might make more sense than an editor |
| 15:24.39 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, anyway. Now I have the original log, I can mount the usb at its place, and I'd just need (maybe) to restart rsyslog. But I don't know how. |
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| 15:25.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | ps aux|grep syslog |
| 15:26.18 | Enrico_Menotti | ps: invalid option -- 'a' |
| 15:26.24 | rrq | the installer runs /sbin/syslogd with -O /var/log/syslog |
| 15:26.38 | DPA | grep -a rsyslog /proc/*/cmdline | grep -va grep |
| 15:27.16 | Enrico_Menotti | rrq So /sbin/syslogd restart? |
| 15:27.35 | Enrico_Menotti | Or maybe even nothing? |
| 15:27.42 | Enrico_Menotti | (Maybe does not need a restart.) |
| 15:28.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | !messybox |
| 15:28.03 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 15:28.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | why not try ps|grep syslog then? |
| 15:29.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | if it's rsyslogd running, you don't need to restart. sending SIGHUP suffices |
| 15:29.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | killall -s HUP rsyslogd |
| 15:30.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or |
| 15:30.03 | bluemarlin | i bet killall isn't there :D he'll have to find pid and use kill |
| 15:30.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | kill -HUP $(cat /var/run/rsyslogd.pid) |
| 15:30.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever works |
| 15:30.27 | Enrico_Menotti | rsyslogd is running, yes. ps shows it. |
| 15:31.09 | Enrico_Menotti | The option is to write to syslog (/var/log/syslog). |
| 15:31.17 | rrq | "Syslogd reads its configuration file when it starts up and whenever it receives a hangup signal. For information on the format of the configuâ ration file, see syslog.conf(5). |
| 15:32.00 | Enrico_Menotti | rrq So I think I don't need to make it reread the conf file, since I just substituted its target with the usb, right? |
| 15:32.17 | golinux | buZz: Just catching up with the logs. All bugs should now be reported to bugs.devuan.org not git. |
| 15:32.35 | rrq | though his "syslogd" is actually in "busybox" so it's different |
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| 15:33.22 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I think at this point the best thing to do is to try. Let's see whether this thing hangs again, and if yes, if it produces a log on the usb stick. |
| 15:33.43 | Enrico_Menotti | If not, I may try a different way. |
| 15:34.59 | DPA | Enrico_Menotti: If a file is opened, and something is mounted over the parent directory, it still hase a handle to the file on the original drive before the mount. |
| 15:35.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | !messybox |
| 15:35.24 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 15:35.24 | Enrico_Menotti | It works. |
| 15:35.38 | Enrico_Menotti | I have a new syslog file. |
| 15:35.44 | bluemarlin | whoa |
| 15:35.58 | bluemarlin | surprised something worked for once |
| 15:36.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enrico_Menotti: when you don't see a syslog now, you definitely won't see any after kernel panic |
| 15:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you can save the time to 'try' |
| 15:36.58 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 I see a log. |
| 15:37.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | good |
| 15:37.05 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: how did you get the new log file then? the HUP worked? |
| 15:37.15 | Enrico_Menotti | No did not do anything. |
| 15:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | then just pray the panic log will get written to it |
| 15:37.29 | Enrico_Menotti | Just mounted the usb in place of the /var/log. |
| 15:37.43 | bluemarlin | it shouldn't work then lol ... like DPA said.. argh whaterver |
| 15:38.00 | buZz | golinux: maybe the git issuetracker should reflect that then ;) |
| 15:38.27 | Enrico_Menotti | Let's try, and see what happens. It is possible that I don't even have again a panic... but I would not bet on it. |
| 15:38.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | bluemarlin: prolly the syslogd (whatever it is) for some reason closed and reopened the syslog file. Shall do this on receiving SIGHUP, but maybe does on other occasions too |
| 15:40.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | logger TEST; tail -n 4 /var/log/syslog |
| 15:40.43 | bluemarlin | DocScrutinizer05: weird. well at least it worked. of course it doesn't guarantee that log will be there. Btw this is the machine he installs it on: https://www.cnet.com/products/fujitsu-lifebook-c1020-15-1-p4-m-win-xp-pro-256-mb-ram-40-gb-hdd-series/specs/ |
| 15:41.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm 256MB RAM |
| 15:42.17 | rrq | too little |
| 15:42.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | not sure if that's enough even for lightweight Devuan |
| 15:42.34 | bluemarlin | yea lol |
| 15:43.01 | fsmithred | icewm or jwm, but won't be able to run FF |
| 15:43.04 | bluemarlin | weird that the ubuntu install worked |
| 15:43.18 | Enrico_Menotti | I think I have more ram. It's been expanded. |
| 15:43.23 | bluemarlin | ah |
| 15:43.23 | Enrico_Menotti | Not ubuntu, Debian. |
| 15:43.32 | rrq | the installer crashes towards then with soo little |
| 15:44.02 | rrq | then = the end |
| 15:44.14 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok now I don't have a crash, but a failure. |
| 15:44.28 | Enrico_Menotti | No the system rebooted. |
| 15:44.56 | bluemarlin | i'm dying to see what is in the log file lol... if there is any on the usb drive |
| 15:44.57 | rrq | df |
| 15:45.09 | rrq | wrong window |
| 15:45.27 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: don't mount it over /var/log now, put it somewhere else |
| 15:46.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | unplug and inspect on other PC |
| 15:46.26 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: better yet - show us by uploading it somewhere, like: https://nopaste.me |
| 15:47.06 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok guys, I'm watching the log. |
| 15:47.15 | Enrico_Menotti | There's no kernel panic message now. |
| 15:47.24 | Enrico_Menotti | In fact it did not crash, just failed. |
| 15:47.28 | Enrico_Menotti | And rebooted. |
| 15:47.35 | Enrico_Menotti | But anyway, some info. |
| 15:48.03 | Enrico_Menotti | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.37 | bluemarlin | dude, take the whole log and upload it ... don't write us each line in IRC |
| 15:49.25 | Enrico_Menotti | For sure. But on nopaste.me I should copy and paste. |
| 15:49.32 | Enrico_Menotti | How to upload the file? |
| 15:49.39 | DPA | Was the root install partition reformatted at the partitioning step? |
| 15:49.53 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes. |
| 15:50.11 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: open it, copy content and paste it? |
| 15:50.21 | Enrico_Menotti | It's very long! |
| 15:50.36 | rrq | can you confirm RAM size, with "head /proc/meminfo", the MemTotal line |
| 15:51.26 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: then try this one, has uploads.. 2M limit though: nopaste.ipfire.org/?mode=upload |
| 15:51.32 | Enrico_Menotti | Anyway, https://nopaste.me/view/d56cd55e. |
| 15:51.47 | Enrico_Menotti | I just copied and pasted. |
| 15:52.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw when you don't have a serial printer (and even if you do) use minicom on another PC and a 0-modem cable |
| 15:53.57 | rrq | log line 1010 |
| 15:54.13 | bluemarlin | just watching it lol - out of mem? |
| 15:54.24 | Enrico_Menotti | Is it out of mem? |
| 15:54.33 | rrq | can you confirm RAM size, with "head /proc/meminfo" |
| 15:55.33 | Enrico_Menotti | 1016120 kB total. |
| 15:55.41 | Enrico_Menotti | As I said previously, right? |
| 15:57.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | would mess around with modprobe a little, until kernel panicks |
| 15:57.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hardly can be anything else than a module going bonkers |
| 15:58.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, could be defective RAM or whatever too, on an imperfect world |
| 15:58.58 | Enrico_Menotti | I tried the memtest. Went fine. |
| 15:59.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | good! :-) |
| 15:59.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's `uname -a` ? |
| 16:00.43 | Enrico_Menotti | Linux (none) 3.16.0.4-586 #1 Debian 3.16.39-1 (2016-12-30) i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | err really now? GUYS!! https://nopaste.me/view/d56cd55e#L1010 |
| 16:03.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | no panic, 'just' an OOPS |
| 16:04.20 | MinceR | https://www.androidcentral.com/sites/androidcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/article_images/2015/08/dont-panic.jpg?itok=Eskz_M2z |
| 16:05.16 | gnarface | wait, you trying to do this without swap? |
| 16:05.46 | bluemarlin | he apparently has 1 GB of RAM... should be enough |
| 16:06.01 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: you have swap right? |
| 16:06.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't know if a i686 kernel is actually OK for that hardware |
| 16:06.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | gnarface: on installer? |
| 16:06.39 | bluemarlin | DocScrutinizer05: i looked up the CPU - it's P4 so it should be i786 i think |
| 16:06.46 | gnarface | the PXE extensions might choke it that's true |
| 16:06.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok |
| 16:06.46 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface I did not do anything about swap in the installer. I configured more than 10 GB swap for the system. |
| 16:06.47 | gnarface | shrugs |
| 16:07.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | shrugs too :-) |
| 16:07.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | no kernel devel here |
| 16:08.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | and P4, errr I forgot what that even was ;-) |
| 16:08.32 | bluemarlin | hehe. Anyway this is definetly beyond my ability to help - at least we have the log Enrico_Menotti |
| 16:08.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | would be intersting if kernels are tested against P4 nowadays |
| 16:08.42 | rrq | but it did install some things, so if you keep installing without claring the partition(s) it may aeventually get through |
| 16:08.56 | rrq | claring = clearing |
| 16:09.03 | gnarface | i think the question here is what's different between devuan's kernel and debian's |
| 16:09.12 | golinux | buZz: Could you suggest a good place to put that info om git?? |
| 16:09.14 | gnarface | i wouldn't have expected any differences in behavior |
| 16:10.30 | buZz | golinux: maybe just disable the issues in git? |
| 16:10.40 | buZz | (after copying them to bugs.dev) |
| 16:12.42 | golinux | The critical issues were already been copied before the RC. |
| 16:13.20 | golinux | should proofread before hitting enter |
| 16:14.22 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: Thanks for fun afternoon lol. Install the system in another way OR, better, get a new laptop - seriously what do you even expect to run on this thing. The oldest Raspberry PI is superior computer to this laptop... |
| 16:14.29 | golinux | I guess I'll have to figure out how to use reportbug to get this into the queue |
| 16:14.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | the call traces in all OOPSes except first (which was page foo) look very similar https://nopaste.me/view/d56cd55e#L1124 and seem to indicate kernel itself has problems with file permissions (I'm no expert to read that stuff, so just a best effort guess) |
| 16:15.53 | Enrico_Menotti | bluemarlin I'm waiting for my daddy to buy a new computer so I will grab his laptop... |
| 16:17.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | and yes, this seems to be in access to CD drive |
| 16:17.57 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: my point here is - suppose you'll somehow get this thing running, it is still likely to give up at any moment thanks to old capacitors on the motherboard, etc.. |
| 16:18.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe the kernel driver for the optical drive is the culprit |
| 16:18.32 | bluemarlin | DocScrutinizer05: whoa teach me how to read that |
| 16:19.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Apr 22 17:43:35 kernel: [ 7180.375697] [<c119a08a>] ? security_inode_permission+0x1a/0x20 |
| 16:19.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | Apr 22 17:43:39 kernel: [ 7184.519616] ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3 |
| 16:20.59 | micromar | golinux: I read your comment regarding reporting and I am now attempting to use reportbug (as recommended at bugs.devuan.org) but it shows "Unable to connect to Devuan BTS; continue [y|N|?]?" Is this a bug in itself or should I continue? |
| 16:21.03 | bluemarlin | DocScrutinizer05: couldnt the installer image itself be corrupt? |
| 16:21.32 | bluemarlin | after it copied onto the usb drive... |
| 16:21.57 | Enrico_Menotti | bluemarlin No USB drive. It's a CD reader. |
| 16:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
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| 16:23.37 | golinux | micromar: I have no idea. Try to catch KatolaZ as he maintains bugs.devuan.org |
| 16:24.11 | bluemarlin | ah |
| 16:24.12 | micromar | ah. ok then. You seemed to be involved with the bug reporting system too. Thanks. |
| 16:24.19 | golinux | KatolaZ: ^^^ |
| 16:24.42 | golinux | micromar: I am. I skinned it. ;) |
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| 16:25.09 | micromar | thanks for the nice skin job :) |
| 16:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | micromar: AFAIK reportbug just sends an email? |
| 16:25.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | I might be totally mistaken |
| 16:26.06 | micromar | DocScrutinizer05: thanks. I have never used it before but it was the first suggested method so I thought I'd learn. |
| 16:26.31 | golinux | There was some conversation about a week ago that it was trying to send to debian. See: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=reportbug |
| 16:26.47 | golinux | micromar: Thanks. |
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| 16:26.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | !nug |
| 16:26.58 | infobot | [nug] a verb for when your girlfriend graciously feeds you chicken nuggets while you're driving. a lot of fun. any girl who does this for you is a keeper. |
| 16:27.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | !bug |
| 16:27.05 | infobot | rumour has it, #devuan bugtracker is https://bugs.devuan.org/Reporting.html, or "make sure the destination email address in reportbug is submit@bugs.devuan.org ! " |
| 16:27.21 | _abc_ | Hi. I am new here. Just read the good news. Congratulations! |
| 16:27.29 | bluemarlin | lols at nug |
| 16:28.17 | bluemarlin | _abc_: heya |
| 16:28.49 | _abc_ | heads over to #linuxcnc to tell them. One of the live linuxcnc dvd's is based on debian. |
| 16:31.42 | _abc_ | Current linuxcnc is based on wheezy, also systemd less. |
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| 16:32.01 | _abc_ | I have good reasons to believe the #linuxcnc people will pick up the cue on devuan jessie |
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| 16:32.33 | buZz | awesome |
| 16:32.46 | _abc_ | (but don't hold your breath) |
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| 16:33.34 | _abc_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.47 | bluemarlin | lol |
| 16:34.02 | _abc_ | I am there now. Seriously. |
| 16:34.24 | bluemarlin | i bet that all the people together here could write a book about it |
| 16:34.33 | _abc_ | Yeah but there not here. |
| 16:34.49 | _abc_ | Politeness rule #1 never say anything negative about others. |
| 16:34.56 | _abc_ | Rule #0 never say never |
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| 16:35.38 | _abc_ | Are the devuan images hybrids? I hope so? |
| 16:35.50 | bluemarlin | yes |
| 16:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | idly wonders if https://nopaste.me/view/d56cd55e#L1010 is maybe caused by some "swap" partition mounted to CD ROM |
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| 16:37.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enrico_Menotti: could you pastebin a `mount` ? |
| 16:38.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enrico_Menotti: and `cat /proc/swaps ` |
| 16:39.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | and `free` |
| 16:39.29 | buZz | all i wanted from systemd is run something at the END of boot |
| 16:39.30 | buZz | but nope |
| 16:39.32 | buZz | so i gave up |
| 16:39.44 | buZz | and upgraded to systemd-free environment |
| 16:41.25 | Enrico_Menotti | DocScrutinizer05 At which point of the installation process? |
| 16:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | any |
| 16:41.57 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, now I'm at the very beginning. |
| 16:42.01 | Enrico_Menotti | Let's see. |
| 16:42.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | ideally around when the OOPs happens, but... prolly irrelevant |
| 16:42.43 | Enrico_Menotti | To get there I'd need some time. I'll try where I am now. |
| 16:43.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't bother, just do it right now |
| 16:43.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 16:43.50 | Enrico_Menotti | No there is no swap. |
| 16:43.57 | Enrico_Menotti | cat /proc/swaps gives nothing. |
| 16:44.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much |
| 16:44.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | there shouldn't |
| 16:46.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think you should open a ticket against kernel |
| 16:47.12 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok guys, thank you all for your help and interest. For now I stop here - have a slight headache. Later maybe I will try to finish the installation by skipping the step which leads to panic/reboot. |
| 16:47.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no such step |
| 16:47.42 | bluemarlin | Enrico_Menotti: i don't think you'll be able to. not with the kernel inside that installer image |
| 16:48.15 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I will find another way, maybe. |
| 16:48.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | the step to avoid is what the kernel does when it OOPSes, you (and anybody) have no clue what that is from a app PoV |
| 16:48.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | install from USB |
| 16:49.31 | Enrico_Menotti | Also an idea. Will see. |
| 16:49.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | open a ticket against kernel (not devuan specific), there's a bug in kernel |
| 16:50.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | further investigation needs a kernel hacker investigating the source where the OOPS happens |
| 16:50.18 | Enrico_Menotti | Also this. I will do. By the way, what is the right way to do that? |
| 16:50.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, good question |
| 16:51.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe report to !bug and rely on VUAs to escalate the ticket upstream |
| 16:52.03 | Enrico_Menotti | !bug? |
| 16:52.03 | infobot | somebody said #devuan bugtracker was https://bugs.devuan.org/Reporting.html, or "make sure the destination email address in reportbug is submit@bugs.devuan.org ! " |
| 16:52.26 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah, to Devuan bugs? |
| 16:53.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | yep |
| 16:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | moment please, trying to learn in other channel, BBL soon |
| 16:55.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, not THAT active over in ##kernel. Try http://www.kerneloops.org/ maybe |
| 16:55.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/reporting-bugs.html |
| 16:56.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | or just report to devuan and rely on the devels to forward |
| 16:59.23 | Enrico_Menotti | It seemes to me I have read that KatolaZ takes care of the bug report system for Devuan. Is this correct? |
| 16:59.48 | fsmithred | yeah, he set it up |
| 17:00.03 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, so I will ask him. |
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| 17:00.25 | Enrico_Menotti | (In Italian.) |
| 17:00.27 | Enrico_Menotti | :) |
| 17:00.52 | fsmithred | submit@bugs.devuan.org |
| 17:01.01 | fsmithred | that's where I sent a bug yesterday |
| 17:01.24 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, ok, I mean about the forwarding to kernel developers. |
| 17:01.35 | fsmithred | oh, no clue about that. |
| 17:02.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | sounds about good enough. attach the full syslog and detailled info about your hardware and the CD image you used |
| 17:02.39 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, thank you all. Bye for now. |
| 17:02.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | devuan devels will triage the bug and decide what to do about it |
| 17:02.51 | fsmithred | bye, good luck |
| 17:03.06 | fsmithred | or good night |
| 17:03.32 | fsmithred | or both (dream of a winning lottery number) |
| 17:03.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | just make sure you clearly state it's a kernel BIG/OOPS |
| 17:03.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | BUG* |
| 17:04.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | point to line1010 of syslog |
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| 17:05.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | please attach syslog directly, not pastebin in web |
| 17:06.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | refer to the image you flashed to CD and booted from |
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| 17:07.09 | _abc_ | Enrico_Menotti: also ram size. Your ram may have run out during install. |
| 17:07.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | it most certainly did :-) |
| 17:08.16 | _abc_ | Aside: has anyone got a link on how to make hybrid iso's able to boot several os images? One can put several live images on a current usb stick, and this feature would be very useful. |
| 17:08.26 | _abc_ | mkhybrid has no options for this (yet) |
| 17:08.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | tbh nfc here what a "hybrid ISO" even is |
| 17:08.54 | _abc_ | nfc? |
| 17:09.00 | _abc_ | Oh no f* clue |
| 17:09.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | !nfc |
| 17:09.01 | infobot | nfc is probably No Fucking Clue, or near field communications |
| 17:09.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | picj one ;-) |
| 17:09.40 | _abc_ | a hybrid iso is the live debian/devuan image for example. It is like a bootable disk with one partition which gets booted |
| 17:09.47 | bluemarlin | DocScrutinizer05: http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Isohybrid |
| 17:10.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah thanks |
| 17:10.40 | _abc_ | one can edit the partition table using fdisk and define the remaining free space as several other partitions in the usual way. This is what I do. But I also want to edit the boot table(s) to make it possible to use several other images written into ... |
| 17:10.44 | _abc_ | ... other partitions from the boot manager in the hybrid. |
| 17:10.49 | fsmithred | _abc_, refracta2usb will make multi-boot usb |
| 17:11.05 | fsmithred | but not with isohybrid |
| 17:11.18 | _abc_ | I know, this is "new" |
| 17:11.32 | fsmithred | you can make isohybrid of the running installed system with refractasnapshot |
| 17:11.54 | _abc_ | Oh. But not the other way around? I need to read up on this. So many toys. |
| 17:11.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | can't help, mused about hybrid ISO incompatibility with kernel driver on Enrico_Menotti's system |
| 17:12.07 | fsmithred | or you can make isohybrid of an assembled system in live-sdk (does a debootrap install then adds other things) |
| 17:12.33 | fsmithred | what you do want to accomplish? |
| 17:12.45 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: it has the latest manufacturer bios right? |
| 17:12.55 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I would like to put several bootable live dvd images (all starting as hybrids) on the same stick |
| 17:13.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | gnarface: LOL |
| 17:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | gnarface: dream on! |
| 17:13.33 | _abc_ | upgrade windows :) |
| 17:13.51 | fsmithred | you want the intact isos on the stick, or you just want to be able to run multiple systems from the same stick? |
| 17:14.12 | fsmithred | why does it have to be isohybrid? |
| 17:14.16 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I don't think I care. I need to be able to boot several of them from the stick. |
| 17:14.33 | fsmithred | refracta2usb will do it |
| 17:14.33 | _abc_ | It does not have to be isohybrid but I would like to not spend a week setting it up, one day per image. |
| 17:14.44 | _abc_ | fsmithred: I will look at it, bookmarked. |
| 17:14.44 | fsmithred | first partition will be fat32 |
| 17:14.49 | _abc_ | oh? |
| 17:14.57 | fsmithred | second partition ext2/3/4 |
| 17:15.11 | fsmithred | leave enough room on the first for all the isos you want to use |
| 17:15.19 | _abc_ | This is then efi compatible? |
| 17:15.47 | fsmithred | if the first iso is efi compatible, it will copy the grub-efi boot files to the usb |
| 17:15.55 | _abc_ | efi boot. Note i need it for both efi and non efi boot modes. |
| 17:16.04 | fsmithred | yeah, you'll get isolinux, too |
| 17:16.09 | _abc_ | ok nice |
| 17:16.21 | _abc_ | fsmithred: nice tip, thanks |
| 17:16.35 | fsmithred | might be a little confusing - think of it as a swiss army knife - you might not use all the parts |
| 17:17.08 | fsmithred | if you want persistence, you can use a loopback file for each one, so you don't need a bunch of partitions |
| 17:18.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Enrico_Menotti: by any chance would you know if your CD drive is internally (or even externally) USB-attached? Or is it an IDE drive? |
| 17:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or sth totally weird? |
| 17:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | lsusb maybe |
| 17:22.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | and lspci |
| 17:23.17 | _abc_ | DocScrutinizer05: are you talking to Enrico_Menotti ? |
| 17:23.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:23.43 | _abc_ | Enrico_Menotti: how much ram is on that laptop please? |
| 17:23.52 | _abc_ | Just curious. It might not be a bug, per se. |
| 17:23.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it's arounf 1G iirc |
| 17:24.02 | _abc_ | The installer can be quite greedy in all systems. |
| 17:24.10 | _abc_ | 1G is probably marginal? |
| 17:24.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | *should* suffice. No idea if it really does |
| 17:26.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | back when I had a CF-27 with 192MB RAM, one of the most greedy apps was package manager, too literally a whole night till it started up and built the dependencies tree |
| 17:26.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | took* |
| 17:26.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | swap hell :-) |
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| 17:30.53 | gnarface | it did really look like he didn't actually have swap... |
| 17:31.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | he didn't |
| 17:31.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | pretty usual when installers have none |
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| 17:32.13 | fsmithred | I've installed in a vm using 192mb ram with no problems. |
| 17:32.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | nevertheless wonders why this makes OOPS |
| 17:32.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | fsmithred: ack, that's more like it |
| 17:33.08 | armin | is dbus working on devuan testing currently? |
| 17:34.21 | _abc_ | Iirc on Suse the installer alone wants >2GB ram. One could remove half of it after the fact. This was years ago. Now you'd better have 3-4GB? |
| 17:34.41 | fsmithred | yikes |
| 17:34.45 | _abc_ | fsmithred: interesting @192MB |
| 17:35.02 | bluemarlin | yikes - 2 GB for the installer? that's like vista... |
| 17:35.06 | fsmithred | I think I tried 128 and it didn't work. |
| 17:35.25 | _abc_ | https://en.opensuse.org/Hardware_requirements |
| 17:35.45 | _abc_ | 1GB ram if you can swap 2GB if you can't |
| 17:35.46 | _abc_ | brb |
| 17:35.53 | fsmithred | bb in about 15 min |
| 17:36.24 | gnarface | i think if there is already a swap partition it can use it, no? |
| 17:36.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure |
| 17:37.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | but still no reason for kernel BUG/OOPS |
| 17:38.06 | _abc_ | Oh, true, that. |
| 17:38.41 | _abc_ | it will ask you to make a swap partition as usual but some systems do not use a swap partition at all. |
| 17:38.55 | _abc_ | And no space is planned for it. |
| 17:39.21 | _abc_ | There's the usual trick to pre-format at least one partition and then swap to loop mounted file on it. Not recommended for beginners. |
| 17:39.37 | _abc_ | So some small boxes which cannot be upgraded at all you can't install on at all. |
| 17:41.11 | _abc_ | Anyway I have not touched Suse in 20 years :) |
| 17:41.17 | _abc_ | *10 |
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| 17:43.23 | _abc_ | So what is the situation on the live devuan iso? When I install it, I am automatically connected to the usual mirrors (debian jessie) and just the devuan specific things are pinned? Or? |
| 17:44.21 | _abc_ | Someone should come up with a nice grub based multiboot setup already :) I am not set up to test with efi but I might do this for non efi some day. |
| 17:44.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/Documentation/io-mapping.txt is about "BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request" it seems |
| 17:44.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | unrelated to swap |
| 17:45.01 | _abc_ | page 0 paging request is sometimes related to unusual cpu bugs. Unlikely. |
| 17:48.58 | _abc_ | https://in.waw.pl/systemd-github-state/systemd-issues.svg best advocacy picture ever for #devuan.org -- this is the open / closed issues graph linked from lennart's own systemd homepage. |
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| 17:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | LOL |
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| 17:52.06 | AlexLikeRock | good morning GNUs |
| 17:54.56 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: What a great graph! |
| 17:55.06 | golinux | Says it like it is. |
| 17:55.48 | bluemarlin | "only" 600 open bugs and growing .. guess that's what you get when you put everything into init system |
| 17:56.19 | golinux | And if you factor into that all the bugs that were closed a wontfix |
| 17:56.54 | golinux | IOW there are still a lot of 'open' bugs that will never be fixed |
| 17:57.16 | golinux | You have to wonder why Debian doesn't wake up. |
| 17:58.50 | golinux | Reposting this link from earlier. The comments were encouraging that we're definitely on the right track: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/22/devuan_1_0_0_released/ |
| 17:59.36 | fsmithred | back (catching up) |
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| 18:06.46 | fsmithred | some interesting comments |
| 18:07.11 | _abc_ | waits for /. to pick up the cue and start a really long and entertaining thread. Need to buy more popcorn. |
| 18:08.03 | fsmithred | _abc_, what was your question about the live isos? They don't use debian-installer. |
| 18:08.27 | _abc_ | I know fsmithred. It was about hybrid/not hybrid. |
| 18:08.44 | _abc_ | fsmithred: did you see the graph I linked above :) |
| 18:08.53 | fsmithred | oh, all the isos are isohybrid. That way you don't have to burn a disk. |
| 18:08.54 | fsmithred | no |
| 18:09.09 | _abc_ | https://in.waw.pl/systemd-github-state/systemd-issues.svg best advocacy picture ever for #devuan.org -- this is the open / closed issues graph linked from lennart's own systemd homepage. -> fsmithred |
| 18:09.29 | _abc_ | my comment: that graph is the best advocacy for #devuan |
| 18:09.41 | fsmithred | checking... |
| 18:09.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | get a seat first |
| 18:10.46 | _abc_ | The guy is lucid and honest. The graph is linked from https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/ |
| 18:12.15 | fsmithred | I see a widening gap. I guess that supports the statement in the comments to the register article, "The idea is that the effort you need to put into software goes up exponentially when you add more lines of code. " |
| 18:12.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | the headline alone is giving it away >>systemd System and Service Manager<< |
| 18:14.42 | _stephen | anyone know what repo/package I need for cdrecord? I'm sitting at a text only terminal after having booted from the minimal iso and I want to burn an installer to disk... |
| 18:15.05 | fsmithred | I think it's in main |
| 18:15.20 | _stephen | Hmm... I have main in my sources... |
| 18:15.22 | fsmithred | nope |
| 18:15.26 | fsmithred | find out its other name |
| 18:16.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | dvd+rw-tools |
| 18:16.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 18:16.46 | bluemarlin | can't you burn the image using dd? |
| 18:16.51 | fsmithred | wodim is fork of cdrecord |
| 18:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | no |
| 18:17.22 | fsmithred | I think xorriso will burn, too |
| 18:17.28 | _stephen | ah, wodim it is! |
| 18:17.36 | fsmithred | yeah, that works |
| 18:18.01 | _stephen | Oh crap, now I have to find a disk... |
| 18:18.15 | fsmithred | lol |
| 18:18.24 | _stephen | I'm loving this toram option on the minimal live disk, btw. |
| 18:18.26 | fsmithred | is this for an install iso? |
| 18:18.29 | _stephen | It was super convenient. |
| 18:18.40 | _stephen | For the netinst on my amd64 now |
| 18:18.53 | fsmithred | you can put it on a usb |
| 18:18.58 | _stephen | If I had one. |
| 18:19.01 | fsmithred | if you have a spare |
| 18:19.03 | fsmithred | ok |
| 18:20.15 | bluemarlin | ahh dd works only for dvd-ram apparently |
| 18:20.31 | _stephen | Oh, hey, I noticed dev eth dev names are funny in the live session, but normal on the i386 install I did last night |
| 18:20.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | even then... well |
| 18:20.51 | _stephen | My repurposed VPN i386 has eth0, eth1, etc... |
| 18:20.58 | _stephen | But this box has en3pswhatevs |
| 18:21.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | ohmy, is this the same backports issue again? |
| 18:28.46 | golinux | _abc_: Sorry for not attributing that link to you. Great find. |
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| 18:57.20 | _abc_ | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 golinux this is worse. From theregister.co.uk discussion @devuan release |
| 18:57.24 | _abc_ | (comments) |
| 19:00.25 | _abc_ | https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2017/04/22/devuan_1_0_0_released/ again I think someone posted it above |
| 19:00.35 | _abc_ | (see comments) |
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| 19:06.44 | Vall | Hello everyone |
| 19:06.57 | Vall | Congrats to the developers for releasing 1.0-RC! |
| 19:07.18 | Vall | fsmithred, are you there? |
| 19:07.33 | fsmithred | yeah, hi |
| 19:07.46 | Vall | congrats fsmithred! ;-) |
| 19:07.51 | Vall | You and the other developers! |
| 19:07.51 | fsmithred | need to go tend the fire - back in a few minutes |
| 19:07.53 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 19:08.17 | Vall | fsmithred: Come back when you can, I have something else to discuss with you (starting /msg session now) |
| 19:08.33 | fsmithred | ok, bout 5 min |
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| 19:18.03 | Vall | buZz: your tip the other day (re: bridges/virtual ethernet NICs on LXC) worked great, thanks. |
| 19:18.23 | buZz | \o/ |
| 19:19.14 | gnarface | has anyone built wow64 wine on ceres? |
| 19:19.29 | gnarface | i'm confused about the procedure at the last step |
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| 19:37.42 | mchasard | hi |
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| 19:38.49 | mchasard | i just finishto install devuan under an eeepc but each time i want to add an app it tell me to enter a cdrom |
| 19:39.04 | mchasard | how to modify the way to install ? |
| 19:39.20 | fsmithred | ah |
| 19:39.32 | fsmithred | you need to add a repository line to sources.list |
| 19:41.00 | fsmithred | edit /etc/apt/sources.list and add the following line: |
| 19:41.17 | fsmithred | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main contrib non-free |
| 19:41.42 | mchasard | ah you're here fsmithred |
| 19:41.44 | mchasard | cool |
| 19:41.46 | fsmithred | contrib and non-free are optional. You can leave those off if you only want totally free and open software |
| 19:42.01 | fsmithred | but if you want wireless driver, you might need non-free |
| 19:42.07 | golinux | _abc_: Regarding the systemd bug. I immortalized the comment that was deleted here: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20170417.151111.69a2f3e0.en.html |
| 19:42.12 | fsmithred | lspci will show you your hardware |
| 19:42.23 | fsmithred | after you add the line, run |
| 19:42.28 | fsmithred | apt-get update |
| 19:44.45 | _abc_ | What command is R! anyway?! |
| 19:44.58 | _abc_ | Besides being not googleable |
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| 19:46.49 | _abc_ | It's a comment sort of?! |
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| 19:51.17 | mchasard | sorry so i have to edt sources.list |
| 19:54.23 | mchasard | i hadthe line and apt-get update |
| 19:54.34 | mchasard | is running |
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| 19:55.17 | fsmithred | now you can install whatever you want |
| 19:56.07 | mchasard | ok the update is not finished yet |
| 19:56.18 | fsmithred | well, yeah, you gotta wait for that. |
| 19:56.31 | fsmithred | do you know how to install packages from command-line? |
| 19:57.36 | mchasard | theres a verrou |
| 19:57.48 | fsmithred | a what? |
| 19:58.06 | mchasard | another session with apt-get |
| 19:58.23 | fsmithred | where? |
| 19:58.41 | fsmithred | did you go to another tty? |
| 19:58.42 | mchasard | i don(t know |
| 19:59.00 | mchasard | maybe bad out |
| 19:59.10 | fsmithred | did you install a desktop? |
| 19:59.15 | mchasard | yes |
| 19:59.19 | mchasard | xfce |
| 19:59.23 | fsmithred | is synaptic package manager open? |
| 19:59.35 | mchasard | no |
| 19:59.48 | fsmithred | ps ax |grep apt |
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| 20:01.08 | mchasard | 3102 ? R 21:31 apt-get install empathy |
| 20:01.08 | mchasard | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.08 | mchasard | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.08 | mchasard | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.08 | mchasard | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.08 | mchasard | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.08 | mchasard | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.22 | fsmithred | nope |
| 20:01.26 | fsmithred | no oh |
| 20:01.34 | fsmithred | what is that? |
| 20:02.00 | fsmithred | oh |
| 20:02.05 | fsmithred | kill 3102 |
| 20:03.20 | fsmithred | try the ps command again to make sure all those are gone (except the grep) |
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| 20:12.19 | mchasard | ok itsbetter |
| 20:12.33 | fsmithred | and the update completed ok? |
| 20:12.38 | Enrico_Menotti | So now I tried again the installation (followed the advanced method). I skipped the "additional software" after the base system, and seems all right. Now I have to configure grub, and for that I entered Debian. But I found out that Debian does not recognise the swap anymore. I think the swap identifier (is it called UUID?) has changed. |
| 20:12.59 | fsmithred | yes, the uuid changed |
| 20:13.08 | Enrico_Menotti | How to fix that? |
| 20:13.14 | mchasard | same it tell me to add cdrom |
| 20:13.16 | fsmithred | I think there's a command that fixes is |
| 20:13.34 | fsmithred | you added the line I gave you to sources.list before the update? |
| 20:13.42 | fsmithred | make sure it's all on one line |
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| 20:15.03 | Enrico_Menotti | I just need to change the uuid for the swap in fstab, I think. But how to get it? |
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| 20:15.16 | fsmithred | Enrico_Menotti, easy way is to edit fstab in debian |
| 20:15.19 | fsmithred | blkid |
| 20:15.22 | mchasard | yes |
| 20:15.23 | fsmithred | is it encrypted? |
| 20:15.32 | Enrico_Menotti | Not encrypted. |
| 20:15.35 | fsmithred | good |
| 20:15.44 | fsmithred | blkid will show you the uuid |
| 20:15.45 | fsmithred | or |
| 20:15.49 | Enrico_Menotti | I realised about blkid - it is written in the comments of fstab. |
| 20:15.51 | fsmithred | use the device name in fstab |
| 20:15.57 | fsmithred | oh |
| 20:16.09 | fsmithred | you can use /dev/whatever |
| 20:16.50 | fsmithred | good reason to use uuid is if you have several hard drives, in case they change order |
| 20:17.35 | fsmithred | mchasard, maybe you need to remove the CD? |
| 20:18.19 | Enrico_Menotti | Please let me know one thing I don't know. If I use blkid > fstab, the output of blkid is appended to fstab or completely substitutes it? |
| 20:18.29 | fsmithred | yikes |
| 20:18.31 | mchasard | no it was a usb keys |
| 20:18.33 | fsmithred | I would not do that |
| 20:18.55 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I will create a temporary file for getting the uuid. |
| 20:18.58 | mchasard | where should i add your line ? |
| 20:18.59 | fsmithred | you need to put the uuid in place of the old one |
| 20:19.05 | fsmithred | in the fstab line |
| 20:19.09 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, I understand. |
| 20:19.16 | Enrico_Menotti | I just need a way to copy it. |
| 20:19.18 | fsmithred | mchasard, that line goes in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:19.35 | Enrico_Menotti | (To the clipboard.) |
| 20:19.36 | fsmithred | lol, that's why I suggested using device name. uuid is impossible to remember |
| 20:19.44 | Enrico_Menotti | :) |
| 20:20.03 | mchasard | which section cdrom or update ? |
| 20:20.08 | mchasard | i hadto update |
| 20:20.21 | fsmithred | what clipboard? I thought you just had a cli-only system |
| 20:20.28 | Enrico_Menotti | But I can create a tmp file and use blkid > tmp and vi tmp and yank and :e fstab and paste. |
| 20:20.51 | fsmithred | no section, mchasard, just put it in the file |
| 20:21.06 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah sorry not the clipboard. It's some buffer of vi. To copy and paste from one file to the other. How is that called? Register maybe? |
| 20:21.20 | mchasard | i put it at the end offile |
| 20:21.23 | Enrico_Menotti | And yes, cli only. |
| 20:21.28 | mchasard | ijust canseeit |
| 20:21.43 | fsmithred | yank and paste - pretty sure it's ctrl-y and ctrl-p |
| 20:21.52 | mchasard | yes |
| 20:22.17 | Enrico_Menotti | No it's without ctrl in vi. |
| 20:22.23 | fsmithred | mchasard, if the line is correct, it should work |
| 20:22.42 | mchasard | yes ... |
| 20:22.52 | djph | fsmithred: yy/p (but you have to exit insert mode first) |
| 20:23.10 | fsmithred | djph, yeah that makes sense |
| 20:23.15 | fsmithred | I don't use vi much |
| 20:23.24 | fsmithred | mchasard, comment out the cdrom line |
| 20:24.11 | mchasard | ok |
| 20:24.39 | fsmithred | Enrico_Menotti, echo "swap swap (and whatever the rest of the line is)" >> /etc/fstab |
| 20:24.48 | fsmithred | no vi |
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| 20:25.08 | mchasard | with synaptic so |
| 20:25.16 | fsmithred | update/refresh |
| 20:25.22 | fsmithred | whatever synaptic calls it |
| 20:26.04 | Enrico_Menotti | One more info: when I run blkid, I get "end request: I/O error, dev fd0, sector 0". What's this? what device is fd0? |
| 20:26.19 | fsmithred | floppy drive |
| 20:26.26 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah ok. |
| 20:26.31 | fsmithred | just to be sure... |
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| 20:26.40 | fsmithred | run blkid -c /dev/null |
| 20:26.40 | Enrico_Menotti | That's because the floppy is not inside, right? |
| 20:26.47 | fsmithred | dpm |
| 20:26.48 | fsmithred | t lmpw |
| 20:26.51 | fsmithred | don't know |
| 20:26.52 | fsmithred | sorry |
| 20:27.07 | fsmithred | gotta go - back in half hour or so |
| 20:27.27 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok thank you. |
| 20:28.01 | mchasard | better without cd line |
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| 20:32.53 | mchasard | just one thing the install was very long comparing to other distro |
| 20:35.54 | DPA | I'm a bit late with this, but it is possible to copy and paste in a terminal using the mouss by starting gpm |
| 20:37.02 | golinux | DPA use keyboard to c/p |
| 20:37.23 | DPA | How does that work on the console? |
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| 20:41.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/2/2017/04/22/devuan_1_0_0_released/#c_3160349 HAHAHA :-P so true |
| 20:44.37 | Enrico_Menotti | I got the swap working again in Debian. And Devuan booting. Hurra! :) |
| 20:49.17 | underd0g | do we have a new release ? |
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| 20:56.38 | _stephen | Anyone know what package is needed for the GTX 970? |
| 20:56.46 | _stephen | nvidia_current doesn't seem to recognize it... |
| 20:57.34 | DPA | How about nouveau? |
| 21:00.04 | _stephen | Honestly, not being able to spell the package name correctly, I decided to try nvidia first. |
| 21:03.24 | _stephen | Nope, that one doesn't like it, either. |
| 21:03.44 | _stephen | I see the module load, then it dumps some cards it can do, and then gives up claiming it found no devices. |
| 21:04.26 | gnarface | _stephen: nvidia-driver? |
| 21:04.32 | gnarface | _stephen: nvidia-driver-bin? |
| 21:04.48 | gnarface | _stephen: you may need the version from backports, for some 970 models |
| 21:04.49 | _stephen | Seems it's not new enough. |
| 21:04.58 | gnarface | (i think) |
| 21:08.39 | fsmithred | nvidia download site says that card needs 375.39 |
| 21:08.51 | fsmithred | only ones I see with that number are virtual packages |
| 21:08.59 | fsmithred | and I don't know if they are in jessie |
| 21:09.28 | _stephen | I think 340 is in jessie |
| 21:09.48 | _stephen | Nvidia site search doesn't work so well from elinks :-/ |
| 21:09.48 | fsmithred | 375.39-1~bpo8+1 0 |
| 21:09.56 | fsmithred | install nvidia-driver from backports |
| 21:10.22 | fsmithred | disable backports (or pin it) after you get what you want |
| 21:10.26 | _stephen | To do that I just add a backports entry to sources.list, update, and install it? |
| 21:10.31 | fsmithred | yes |
| 21:10.42 | fsmithred | do not run upgrade while backports is enabled |
| 21:11.56 | fsmithred | you might also need to install nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-dkms |
| 21:12.14 | fsmithred | been a long time since I've used nvidia from repo - if in doubt, check debian-wiki |
| 21:12.55 | fsmithred | apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-whatever |
| 21:13.07 | fsmithred | no |
| 21:13.22 | fsmithred | apt-get -t jessie-backports install <packgaes> |
| 21:14.29 | _stephen | what should the sources line look like? |
| 21:14.43 | _stephen | because my guess was apparently wrong |
| 21:15.56 | _stephen | Oh, I think I got it. |
| 21:18.42 | fsmithred | deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 21:22.06 | _stephen | oh crap.. page fault.. |
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| 22:20.12 | Enrico_Menotti | I have Devuan running, with the network connected. Now I'd do an upgrade. I did apt-get update. Now would it be better apt-get upgrade or apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:20.31 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: it should be more or less the same |
| 22:23.43 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: on stable it won't matter, but the debian manual recommends to do first upgrade then dist-upgrade (the latter won't be needed on stable) |
| 22:23.44 | _stephen | weird, apt-cache search isn't finding stuff like it should... I managed to guess the package that had what I wanted, but weird. |
| 22:24.16 | gnarface | _stephen: you remembered to apt-get update right? |
| 22:24.33 | _stephen | yeah |
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| 22:27.20 | _stephen | Huh, so it wouldn't find xrdb, but it did fine the font package for WenQuanYi... |
| 22:27.39 | _stephen | xrdb is apparently a virtual package... replaced by ... some other memorable package. |
| 22:32.35 | _stephen | Anyone running valve's Steam app under devuan? |
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| 22:40.50 | lowee[m] | me |
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| 22:42.21 | _stephen_afk | How'd you go about installing it? |
| 22:42.25 | _stephen_afk | dpkg on their deb? |
| 22:45.48 | gnarface | _stephen__afk: use the one in the repo. their deb is for ubuntu |
| 23:02.24 | lowee[m] | i just used the one from debian (aka installed my stuff and switched to devuan) i have had mixed results installing it via their deb in the past, but if you use standard mesa it schould run just fine wih valave's .deb |
| 23:04.34 | lowee[m] | gnarface: meh, no failed dependencies last time i tried, their deb runs fine if converted on fedora aswell as devuan, also their steamos is debian based :) not ubuntu so a debian based deb makkes more sense |
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| 23:14.24 | _stephen | gnarface: there's on in the devuan repo? |
| 23:14.29 | _stephen | one* |
| 23:17.44 | Xenguy | screen or tmux both have a copy/paste function on the command-line, FWIW |
| 23:18.24 | gnarface | _stephen: in non-free |
| 23:18.52 | _stephen | Oohh.. figures. |
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| 23:32.08 | gmcastil | so i straightened out the problem with the installer - when i transferred it to USB on Mac OS it wouldnt boot |
| 23:32.14 | gmcastil | but when i did it from Linux it did |
| 23:32.20 | KatolaZ | gmcastil: ..... |
| 23:32.30 | gmcastil | SHA256 for both installers were checked and correct |
| 23:32.36 | gmcastil | same dd commands as well |
| 23:32.40 | gmcastil | same USB stick |
| 23:37.57 | KatolaZ | gmcastil: good that you found out the problem |
| 23:38.10 | KatolaZ | and good that the problem was not in the installer ;) |
| 23:38.35 | gmcastil | yeah, all i can figure is that there was something weird with the partitioning that OSX was doing |
| 23:42.19 | fsmithred | osx likes to drop files on your usb stick when you plug it in |
| 23:43.38 | _stephen | Oh, steam needs the 32 bit version of libGL.so.1 |
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