| 00:00.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | as a general rule you probably never should touch any text or binary for execution if you are not competent to decice for yourself if it's rogue or not |
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| 00:05.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't get me started on evaluating a comaprison between "something on the Internets ending in .sh" and something on the internets called registry-optimizer.exe or the like |
| 00:07.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | or your average *.apk |
| 00:09.27 | furrywolf | apk? |
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| 00:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | andruide crap? |
| 00:10.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | colloquially 'nagware with added surprise benefits' |
| 00:11.21 | furrywolf | ah. one of the many reasons I don't own a smartphone. |
| 00:11.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | one of the more sane approaches |
| 00:13.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | honestly somebody tackling me by arguments containing the words "legit" and "internet" in one sentence makes me feel a little upset |
| 00:16.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when arguing about one of the very few data formats for something executable that are as easy to verify as it gets |
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| 00:20.03 | *** topic/#devuan is Recent (2017-04-12): Jessie 1.0 RC ** https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 00:20.58 | Xenguy | !infobot |
| 00:20.58 | infobot | i heard infobot is A program on the IRC that helps users, ask it to do something by putting a ~ and then say a command! |
| 00:21.41 | Xenguy | ~devuan |
| 00:21.49 | Xenguy | !devuan |
| 00:21.49 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, devuan is the most awesome distro, or https://devuan.org |
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| 02:42.47 | TheTrueHohoah | What is the most eficent way to move from Beta to 1 |
| 02:43.32 | Xenguy | RC has not yet been released... |
| 02:43.43 | Xenguy | So go for Beta2, it is quite stable |
| 02:43.46 | TheTrueHohoah | According to the website 1.0 RC has been |
| 02:43.50 | TheTrueHohoah | I am on Beta2 |
| 02:43.55 | Xenguy | haha, really? |
| 02:44.00 | TheTrueHohoah | I want to upgrade to newstable, 1 |
| 02:44.14 | Xenguy | That's awesome if true |
| 02:44.24 | TheTrueHohoah | It even says in the channel topic |
| 02:44.29 | TheTrueHohoah | Recent (2017-04-12): Jessie 1.0 RC ** https://devuan.org/ |
| 02:44.43 | Xenguy | Jesus Murphy, you da man |
| 02:44.57 | Xenguy | It's like a stealth release :P |
| 02:45.21 | Xenguy | So, how to best upgrade? |
| 02:45.25 | TheTrueHohoah | Yes |
| 02:45.58 | Xenguy | You realize this has been released on Bicycle Day? |
| 02:46.14 | Xenguy | Coincidence? I think not! |
| 02:46.43 | Xenguy | There were only 2 things of note invented in Berkeley... |
| 02:46.51 | Xenguy | LSD and Unix |
| 02:46.55 | Xenguy | Coincidence? I think not! |
| 02:47.09 | Xenguy | 8-D |
| 02:47.46 | Xenguy | !upgrade |
| 02:47.46 | infobot | Upgrading is easy! Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn. |
| 02:47.51 | Xenguy | haha |
| 02:48.52 | Xenguy | But /topic was set on Apr12, so it's been a few days? |
| 02:49.41 | Xenguy | Time for the dreamtime, but see ya tomorrow |
| 03:18.30 | golinux | TheTrueHohoah: The RC has not been officially released yet. Announcement is written but not sent yet. |
| 03:18.39 | TheTrueHohoah | Ok |
| 03:18.52 | TheTrueHohoah | When it is released will I be able to upgrade through apt or is there some complex method |
| 03:19.17 | golinux | I don't know that the upgraded packages are available in the repos yet. |
| 03:19.50 | golinux | Just a normal apt upgrade should do it. |
| 03:21.27 | TheTrueHohoah | `apt full-upgrade` or `apt upgrade` |
| 03:29.17 | gnarface | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:29.25 | gnarface | (standard procedure from debian manual) |
| 03:29.39 | gnarface | apt or aptitude should work the same |
| 03:29.43 | gnarface | this part hasn't changed from debian |
| 03:29.52 | gnarface | only some of the underlying implementation details at the repo end |
| 03:30.43 | gnarface | (the dist-upgrade part is only necessary when changing to a new release) |
| 04:00.35 | TheTrueHohoah | When will the new system be released then? Why make an announcement without actually releasing the system |
| 04:02.35 | gnarface | TheTrueHohoah: its |
| 04:03.12 | gnarface | TheTrueHohoah: it's called "RC" standing for "release candidate" - the announcement is to get more people to test so that it CAN be released |
| 04:03.21 | TheTrueHohoah | Oh |
| 04:03.39 | gnarface | think of it like a soft launch |
| 04:03.57 | gnarface | i don't know of any specific timeline though |
| 04:04.07 | gnarface | just "whenever it's done; faster if you help" |
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| 04:12.30 | gnarface | TheTrueHOOHA: there's a decent chance you won't even notice it's not finished yet. you should give it a try if you've got the spare disk space. |
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| 04:21.44 | gnarface | brb |
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| 05:16.04 | gnarface | TheTrueHOOHA: btw, just fyi I didn't see the actual announcement, but I doubt it was intended to trick you. most likely it simply never occurred to them that "RC" wasn't commonly-known jargon |
| 05:16.50 | TheTrueHOOHA | I haven't heard "RC" used since 2007 back when I used Windows and was Demo Testing Winsows 7 RC 3 |
| 05:16.57 | TheTrueHOOHA | I forgot what it meant |
| 05:17.00 | TheTrueHOOHA | Maybe it is common |
| 05:17.26 | gnarface | it's common terminology in Linux because the kernel still uses it regularly |
| 05:18.15 | gnarface | we got our own way of doing things over here, some of them will probably remind you of ages past |
| 05:19.01 | gnarface | mostly that's because Windows had to keep changing the way they do things to meet the expectations of "freshness" from a casual consumer perspective |
| 05:19.12 | gnarface | whereas in Linux there was generally no reason to change what works |
| 05:20.18 | gnarface | (RedHat, Inc.'s evil plans notwithstanding) |
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| 09:58.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | the freshness of systemd |
| 09:58.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | pukes |
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| 12:10.33 | Xenguy | # cat /etc/issue |
| 12:10.35 | Xenguy | Devuan GNU/Linux 1 \n \l |
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| 12:34.47 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 12:37.37 | AntoFox | I work now on task-mate-desktop, what software (browser,mail client, mediaplayer...) you want on mate 1.14? |
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| 12:41.43 | Xenguy | AntoFox: browser: firefox ; mediaplayer: vlc |
| 12:42.20 | AntoFox | office? |
| 12:42.57 | Xenguy | I try not to use wordprocessors etc., but when I do I use Libreoffice |
| 12:43.44 | Xenguy | Calibre is good for ebooks |
| 12:48.34 | fsmithred | AntoFox, check what the other task---destop packages use |
| 12:49.21 | fsmithred | I would expect some of the major apps to be the same |
| 12:49.42 | fsmithred | gimp, libreoffice, ff-esr, |
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| 12:56.49 | Oldmoss | Abiword, Gnumeric for "office" |
| 12:57.22 | AntoFox | fsmithred: yes of course, but I also want your answers, maybe if something is not like I did change |
| 12:58.18 | Oldmoss | I also have libreoffice installed, but I have ran into compability/corrupt file problems when sending Libreoffice Draw files to Windows user |
| 12:58.31 | AntoFox | Oldmoss: noooooo gnumeric are horrible spreadsheet |
| 12:58.51 | Oldmoss | Gnumeric covers my need :) |
| 12:59.25 | AntoFox | I know this problem, for this reason I use openoffice |
| 12:59.42 | Oldmoss | the combination of abiword/gnumeric demands less resources than the full libreoffice? |
| 13:00.36 | Oldmoss | oh, no problem with Draw files in openoffice? |
| 13:00.40 | Oldmoss | maybe I should try |
| 13:01.33 | AntoFox | I installed gnumeric once in my life, I don't now if have need less o more resources |
| 13:01.38 | fsmithred | I put abiword and gnumeric in Refracta to save space |
| 13:02.06 | Oldmoss | For mail, I like Claws Mail |
| 13:02.15 | fsmithred | lately I use abiword, but I use libreoffice sometimes and used it all the time when I was in an office |
| 13:02.56 | fsmithred | I think libreoffice is the better choice for a task-* |
| 13:03.44 | fsmithred | the tasks all pull in lots of extra junk - some of us avoid those packages and put whatever we want |
| 13:04.20 | Deadpan110 | ~whatever we want~ ...important thing right there |
| 13:09.23 | AntoFox | fsmithred: I agree, but some desktop users "wan to" a full desktop with junk |
| 13:10.09 | AntoFox | regarding libreoffice, I think it is included in the task-* but I leave the possibility of choice, libreoffice/openoffice from hezeh |
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| 13:11.01 | AntoFox | and for ascii I have imported some xapps |
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| 13:31.34 | fsmithred | although I like it less and less each day, I think icedove/thunderbird should be included in the task. |
| 13:32.11 | fsmithred | Will there also be a mate metapackage that just installs the desktop without extra apps? |
| 13:33.22 | Lydia_K | full featured email client is a must for an office type suite of software. |
| 13:36.12 | gnarface | bsd-mailx doesn't count? :-p |
| 13:36.25 | Lydia_K | LOL |
| 13:37.07 | fsmithred | gnarface, that gets installed even without a desktop |
| 13:37.13 | gnarface | i really like thunderbird though |
| 13:37.24 | gnarface | it's gotten crashy lately, which is disappointing |
| 13:37.32 | fsmithred | fwiw, task-xfce-desktop does not include a graphical mail client |
| 13:37.51 | fsmithred | yeah, icedove crashes on me several times a week |
| 13:38.13 | fsmithred | specifically when I'm opening a new email on imap account |
| 13:38.24 | Lydia_K | I never had that sort of an issue with icedove |
| 13:38.31 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: oh, your doing well... I'm getting crashes most days... |
| 13:38.49 | fsmithred | maybe inbox is too full, or maybe something buggy with my dng folder, which claims I have >10,000 unread messages |
| 13:38.53 | gnarface | interesting, so it's not just me? |
| 13:38.55 | Lydia_K | I really miss icedove.. |
| 13:39.05 | Centurion_Dan | starting to feel like it's taken a leaf out of Outlooks book |
| 13:39.31 | gnarface | i do have some large amounts of mail in there, which i had suspected may be contributing to the issue, but compositing definitely makes it worse |
| 13:39.40 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, I'm feeling like that's a pervasive theme in recent linux. |
| 13:39.58 | gnarface | are we gonna have to just fork EVERYTHING? |
| 13:40.03 | Centurion_Dan | I must admit I've got 5 imap accounts with probably a couple hundred thousand email spread across them. |
| 13:40.13 | Centurion_Dan | gnarface: probably |
| 13:40.18 | jonadab | Oh, mail clients. Everyone should just give in and use Gnus. You know you want to. |
| 13:40.21 | Lydia_K | Stupid parent company took over email and now it's behind a netscaler device, now I need to invest a bunch of time into adding something to davmail to support passing the credentials. |
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| 17:28.02 | Enrico_Menotti | Hello. I googled a bit but didn't find many docs on setting up Devuan (but I may be wrong). So I'd ask here some things - maybe this is not the right place; please let me know if I should address elsewhere. |
| 17:28.14 | Enrico_Menotti | The first thing I need to do is configuring the keyboard layout. |
| 17:28.39 | Enrico_Menotti | If I got it right, in Debian these days this involves systemd; so how to do that in Devuan? |
| 17:32.57 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: console or desktop? |
| 17:34.33 | Enrico_Menotti | Console. |
| 17:36.58 | gnarface | dpkg-reconfigure uh... |
| 17:37.14 | gnarface | was it console-setup? |
| 17:37.24 | gnarface | unless you mean locales |
| 17:37.38 | gnarface | or was it keyboard-configuration? |
| 17:37.45 | gnarface | maybe dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration |
| 17:37.57 | gnarface | that makes the most sense, that's the guess i'm going with |
| 17:39.54 | KatolaZ | it should be console-setup, IIRC |
| 17:40.06 | gnarface | i think in some cases you have to do that *and* locales though? |
| 17:40.07 | gnarface | not sure |
| 17:40.35 | gnarface | Enrico_Menotti: it still basically works the way it worked in debian wheezy and earlier |
| 17:41.43 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I already configured the locales. |
| 17:44.49 | Enrico_Menotti | console-setup sets the fonts, basically. Not the keyboard. |
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| 17:47.33 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: it's keyboard-configuration |
| 17:47.34 | KatolaZ | sorry |
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| 17:49.59 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I'm doing that. I have a Fujitsu Siemens lifebook (very old...). I'm wondering whether the right keyboard model be the AMILO laptop (this is the only one listed from that brand). |
| 17:51.07 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: I would try a standard 105 PC keyboard first |
| 17:51.18 | KatolaZ | and then try to adjust it if it doesn't work as expected... |
| 17:51.57 | Enrico_Menotti | 105 is with the numpad, right? |
| 17:52.47 | Enrico_Menotti | My keyboard has 88 keys. |
| 17:53.06 | Enrico_Menotti | (Like a piano, if I'm right... :) ) |
| 17:54.07 | KatolaZ | does any of those 88 keys not work as expected? |
| 17:54.08 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 17:54.14 | KatolaZ | I mean, when you use 105? |
| 17:55.10 | Enrico_Menotti | I'm trying with the AMILO - let me see - otherwise I will try with the 105. I will see whether is is untuned :) . |
| 18:00.28 | Enrico_Menotti | None works - tried 4 combinations (AMILO/105 with Italian/Italian+winkeys). |
| 18:03.05 | Enrico_Menotti | It's strange, because Debian works perfectly (but there I chose the keyboard at installation time). |
| 18:03.22 | gnarface | i wonder if you have to log out and log back in for the changes to take effect? |
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| 18:09.53 | Enrico_Menotti | No difference. |
| 18:10.49 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, I ran again dpkg-reconfigure console-setup. That seems to work. |
| 18:11.18 | gnarface | hmm, so there is some order you have to run them |
| 18:11.51 | gnarface | maybe one of them clobbers the config for another |
| 18:13.53 | Enrico_Menotti | I am trying with the AMILO. Seems to work for the most important things. I also have a fn key which should enable the numpad (which is mapped on some alphabetic characters), but that does not work. Anyway, I will stick here - for my present needs that's enough. |
| 18:14.26 | gnarface | numpad is usually numlock key actually |
| 18:15.00 | gnarface | the fn key should enable functions labeled in a different distinct color |
| 18:15.04 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah yes sorry. |
| 18:15.08 | Enrico_Menotti | That works. |
| 18:15.11 | gnarface | cool |
| 18:15.40 | gnarface | usually it's there where it falls apart for me typically |
| 18:15.46 | gnarface | on different models of laptops |
| 18:16.07 | gnarface | brightness will be present but not on the right keys |
| 18:16.11 | gnarface | stuff like that |
| 18:17.05 | Enrico_Menotti | The most annoying thing is the caps lock led not working. Also in Debian. I should check with the Win XP which is still on the HD. |
| 18:17.56 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, now I'd need a toolchain for building the driver for the usb dongle. I think there is none installed in the minimal (live) Devuan. |
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| 18:28.04 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: nope |
| 18:28.11 | KatolaZ | you don't have gcc there |
| 18:28.27 | fsmithred | Enrico_Menotti, you need build-essential and linux-headers-<kernel version> |
| 18:29.19 | Enrico_Menotti | So now my problem is that I don't have a network to download these packages, so I need to download them on my other computer. I'm trying to find the right repository. Seems not that easy. |
| 18:31.55 | gnarface | auto.mirror.devuan.org? |
| 18:32.24 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes, I'm there, trying to find my way. |
| 18:35.06 | gnarface | build-essential is actually a metapackage that points to a bunch of stuff |
| 18:35.52 | Enrico_Menotti | I have it on Debian - I have downloaded it on my other computer, and put it on a usb drive with all its dependencies. |
| 18:36.10 | Enrico_Menotti | But I am unable to find it for Devuan. |
| 18:36.43 | gnarface | i don't think meta packages show up in the repo directory that contains the actual packages |
| 18:36.45 | gnarface | i could be wrong |
| 18:37.25 | fsmithred | Enrico_Menotti, what's the other computer running? If it's debian jessie, I'm pretty sure you can download the packages from there |
| 18:37.36 | Enrico_Menotti | No, it's a Mac... |
| 18:37.42 | fsmithred | oh |
| 18:38.10 | fsmithred | gcc g++ make dpkg-dev |
| 18:38.20 | fsmithred | I'm pretty sure you already have libc6 |
| 18:38.46 | Enrico_Menotti | But I even don't find gcc... I'll look again. |
| 18:38.57 | gnarface | also libc6-dev libc-dev |
| 18:39.04 | gnarface | also libc6-dev OR it says i guess libc-dev |
| 18:39.21 | Enrico_Menotti | I'm in /devuan/pool/main on auto.mirror.devuan.org. |
| 18:39.33 | fsmithred | oops, yeah libc6-dev |
| 18:39.47 | fsmithred | I'm going by apt-cache depends build-essential |
| 18:39.57 | fsmithred | headers need some other pkgs, too |
| 18:40.37 | Enrico_Menotti | I found debootstrap, that could be useful later on. |
| 18:43.13 | Enrico_Menotti | Is it possible that the packages don't show up when the site is accessed by a browser, but they need to be downloaded by apt-get? |
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| 18:43.55 | gnarface | theoretically, yes, but i'm not betting on that being the problem here |
| 18:44.31 | fsmithred | linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64 |
| 18:44.31 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.31 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.32 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:44.42 | fsmithred | what website are you on? |
| 18:45.40 | gnarface | there is also packages.devuan.org now |
| 18:45.41 | Enrico_Menotti | auto.mirror.devuan.org. When accessed by a browser, I get a directory tree. |
| 18:45.47 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah. |
| 18:45.59 | fsmithred | I can't get to it |
| 18:46.02 | gnarface | it might not be any more helpful |
| 18:46.22 | Enrico_Menotti | gnarface Which one is not helpful? |
| 18:46.38 | gnarface | packages.devuan.org ... the interface is a bit rough |
| 18:47.06 | fsmithred | browser won't go where I tell it |
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| 18:49.08 | Enrico_Menotti | I am also reading https://devuan.org/os/packages/list/forked-from-debian. No sign of build-essential, nor gcc. |
| 18:49.16 | fsmithred | I think you will only find packages that have been changed by devuan |
| 18:49.20 | fsmithred | right |
| 18:49.27 | fsmithred | get them from packages.debian.org |
| 18:49.35 | fsmithred | they are the same |
| 18:49.57 | fsmithred | I didn't find anything in the deps that had devuan in the file name |
| 18:50.02 | fsmithred | package name |
| 18:51.53 | Enrico_Menotti | What about the warning "The package repositories for Devuan are exclusive and they should not be used in addition to Debian" at https://devuan.org, right after "Packages"? |
| 18:55.19 | Enrico_Menotti | Also, if I manage to get a network access, should I use just the sources listed there (auto.mirror.devuan.org) or also the Debian mirror? |
| 18:55.40 | fsmithred | yes, normally any unchanged packages get pulled from debian |
| 18:55.41 | fsmithred | so |
| 18:55.41 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: no debian mirror |
| 18:55.43 | fsmithred | in devuan |
| 18:55.49 | gnarface | i use auto.mirror.devuan.org |
| 18:56.03 | fsmithred | apt-get install build-essential works by pulling from debian |
| 18:56.12 | Enrico_Menotti | So all packages should be there, right? |
| 18:56.23 | fsmithred | but since you don't have a connection, you need to pull them yourself |
| 18:56.27 | fsmithred | all should be where? |
| 18:56.41 | fsmithred | not at auto.mirror.devuan |
| 18:56.50 | fsmithred | they are not held on a devuan server |
| 18:57.11 | fsmithred | only the changed packages are on devuan server |
| 18:57.16 | Enrico_Menotti | Ah ok. So at auto.mirror.devuan.org just the specific Devuan packages are listed, right? |
| 18:57.24 | fsmithred | it's a fancy filter |
| 18:57.45 | fsmithred | smart enough to give you devuan packages that exist and debian packages for the rest |
| 18:58.33 | fsmithred | but the warning is correct - don't put debian in sources.list |
| 18:58.39 | Enrico_Menotti | In some way, if I got it, when a Debian package is required it redirects to the Debian repos, right? |
| 18:59.51 | gnarface | i did not realize this |
| 19:00.12 | gnarface | that does explain why it works with apt-get but not with a browser though |
| 19:01.13 | Enrico_Menotti | So at this point I already have all the toolchain in my usb drive. I will install with dpkg from there. After dinner, though. Thank you everybody. |
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| 19:36.42 | fsmithred | gnarface, when you use apt-get, you ask the devuan repo for a package, and it knows which packages it has and which it has to pull from debian. |
| 19:37.32 | fsmithred | when you look with a browser, it just shows you the packages on that server |
| 19:37.37 | fsmithred | the devuan packages |
| 19:38.14 | fsmithred | oh, i need glasses |
| 19:38.39 | fsmithred | you said "does explain" but I read "does not explain". Sorry for the useless explanation. |
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| 19:51.20 | jaromil | eheheh fsmithred i wanna see how much you last once the release is out, with all the questions coming... srsly take it easy :^D |
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| 20:22.45 | Enrico_Menotti | I have installed the toolchain. It's been a quite annoying story - many dependencies. Now I'm trying to build my driver. I have an issue: the /lib/modules/<version>/build directory is not there. If I create it, I get "No rule to make target 'modules'". Now? |
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| 20:28.37 | Enrico_Menotti | Maybe just install linux-headers-<kernel>? |
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| 21:56.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | recall this? [2017-04-16 Sun 21:05:36] <DocScrutinizer05> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/5644 <DocScrutinizer05> last comment is so to the point <golinux> I was just going to post that. Here it is! "maybe handover dev of this toy to someone with unix experience" |
| 21:57.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | compare now! ruthlessly censored |
| 21:57.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | then locked |
| 21:59.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw who's maintaining http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd ? |
| 21:59.48 | MinceR | #debianfork users, i think |
| 21:59.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah already added. :-) thanks!! |
| 21:59.54 | MinceR | i sometimes make changes |
| 21:59.55 | MinceR | rarely |
| 22:01.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | last in http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd#Absurd_Bugs_and_Responses |
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| 22:21.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.preining.info/blog/2017/04/systemd-again/#comment-38174 |
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| 22:25.43 | Enrico_Menotti | At last, I have the wlan working. But I found some issues. |
| 22:25.54 | KatolaZ | cool Enrico_Menotti |
| 22:26.18 | KatolaZ | please report feedback on the issues |
| 22:27.03 | Enrico_Menotti | First, the gcc version required by build-essentials and linux-headers is different (4.9 for the former, 4.8 for the latter, if I'm right). So I had to install both. With all correspondent dependencies. |
| 22:27.39 | Enrico_Menotti | Second, the wlan interfaces is named in a very complicated way, not just as wlan0. Don't know whether the name be the same at each reboot. |
| 22:28.28 | Enrico_Menotti | Third, there is a folder /etc/network/interfaces.d, as in Debian, but the files in there are not seen by the system. I had to configure the interface in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 22:28.45 | Enrico_Menotti | That's it. Hope having been useful. |
| 22:29.45 | KatolaZ | Enrico_Menotti: oytu have setnet,sh |
| 22:29.48 | KatolaZ | setnet.sh |
| 22:29.51 | KatolaZ | for network configuration |
| 22:30.32 | Enrico_Menotti | I don't know that. I followed the instructions at the Debian wiki. What's this? |
| 22:30.45 | KatolaZ | a simple dialog tool |
| 22:30.52 | KatolaZ | to configure networking |
| 22:31.32 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, but the two facts about the interface I reported are true, right? |
| 22:31.43 | KatolaZ | dunno about wlan names |
| 22:31.47 | KatolaZ | I will double-check |
| 22:32.06 | Enrico_Menotti | And the files in interfaces.d? |
| 22:33.56 | fsmithred | Enrico_Menotti, are you running ascii? |
| 22:34.15 | Enrico_Menotti | Jessie. |
| 22:34.23 | fsmithred | what's the interface name? |
| 22:34.55 | Enrico_Menotti | Well, don't have it handy now. Very long... some wl followed by a long quite random string. |
| 22:35.07 | Enrico_Menotti | Sorry, I already turned the computer off. |
| 22:35.27 | fsmithred | the mis-match between gcc that gets installed and gcc that was used to compile the kernel is a constant aggravation to me from debian for almost a decade |
| 22:36.14 | fsmithred | ok |
| 22:37.03 | fsmithred | just wondering if it was the new naming method, which makes especially crazy names |
| 22:37.30 | fsmithred | based on the slot for pci, and I don't remember what usb dongle interface name looks like, but I think I had bad dreams about it |
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| 22:37.48 | Enrico_Menotti | Also the ethernet has a strange name. |
| 22:37.52 | fsmithred | but that shouldn't be in jessie |
| 22:37.59 | fsmithred | enps0... |
| 22:38.04 | fsmithred | something like that? |
| 22:38.07 | Enrico_Menotti | Yes. |
| 22:38.16 | fsmithred | something fishy going on |
| 22:38.25 | fsmithred | you should not have that in jessie |
| 22:38.36 | Enrico_Menotti | My image is called "Jessie". |
| 22:39.14 | fsmithred | iso or embedded image? |
| 22:39.22 | Enrico_Menotti | devuan_jessie_RC_i386_minimal-live.iso |
| 22:39.28 | fsmithred | oh yeah |
| 22:39.50 | fsmithred | there's a way to revert to the old naming method |
| 22:39.53 | fsmithred | I'll find link |
| 22:40.17 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok. We can see that tomorrow. Now it's very late. I have to go to bed. Thank you. |
| 22:41.12 | fsmithred | https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ |
| 22:41.31 | Enrico_Menotti | Systemd? |
| 22:41.52 | fsmithred | yes, udev |
| 22:42.14 | fsmithred | it says from v. 197 on, and I've got 215, so maybe it can happen in jessie |
| 22:42.23 | fsmithred | but I never see it, and I do a LOT of installs |
| 22:43.19 | fsmithred | pass the net.ifnames=0 on the kernel command line |
| 22:43.27 | fsmithred | simple fix |
| 22:43.32 | Enrico_Menotti | Is udev in Devuan? I thought it was part of systemd. |
| 22:43.41 | fsmithred | yes, it's in devuan |
| 22:44.03 | Enrico_Menotti | So no systemd but yes udev, right? |
| 22:44.08 | KatolaZ | I thought I had that one set... |
| 22:44.08 | fsmithred | you can replace it with vdev |
| 22:44.14 | KatolaZ | gotta recheck it again |
| 22:44.20 | KatolaZ | sorry Enrico_Menotti! |
| 22:44.47 | Oldmoss | I have "/etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules" |
| 22:44.54 | fsmithred | guess I need to start using that in the tools |
| 22:45.06 | fsmithred | yeah, so do I Oldmoss |
| 22:45.09 | Oldmoss | Found it when my ethernet stopped working |
| 22:45.25 | fsmithred | did you move a hard drive to another box? |
| 22:45.38 | Oldmoss | it started on eth0, then eth1 etc |
| 22:45.47 | fsmithred | yup |
| 22:45.47 | Oldmoss | Now I am on eth3 |
| 22:45.58 | fsmithred | you can delete that file and it will be regenerated on reboot |
| 22:46.03 | fsmithred | and you'll have eth0 again |
| 22:46.12 | fsmithred | but what's making it increment? |
| 22:46.19 | Oldmoss | No, this HD has been in all years, not been moved from anywhere |
| 22:46.29 | fsmithred | I gotta go |
| 22:46.39 | Oldmoss | I don't know what happens |
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| 22:46.53 | Enrico_Menotti | I had that issue on the n900 with Debian. |
| 22:47.11 | Enrico_Menotti | The wireless driver is giving the driver a random mac address. |
| 22:47.36 | Enrico_Menotti | So at each boot the system does not recognise the interface and, due to the persistent net rules, gives it a new name. |
| 22:49.36 | Enrico_Menotti | The solution I found by googling is to create an "empty" file 75-persistent-net-generator.rules (actually, I put a # in it). |
| 22:49.53 | Enrico_Menotti | At this point, no more persistent net rules. |
| 22:51.14 | Enrico_Menotti | Ok, good night. |
| 22:52.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | lol yeah. 75-persistent-net-generator.rules overrides 70-persistent-net.rules |
| 22:52.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | my uneducated guess |
| 22:54.38 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: Good that you saved that quote for posterity. It's also on dng iirc. |
| 22:57.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder how that comment vanished from git |
| 22:58.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | must still exist somewhere, no? |
| 22:58.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | git cracks to the rescue!! |
| 22:59.29 | golinux | All dictators like to erase history. |
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| 23:01.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | git is supposed to defeat such censorship |
| 23:02.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | git is a strictly history based 'filesystem' AIUI. You simply can't delete one intermediate state |
| 23:03.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | you can corrupt it when you have root access |
| 23:03.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then at least the corruption still is visible |
| 23:04.04 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: you can stash commits and force a rebase |
| 23:04.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, s/root/system level/ |
| 23:04.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't a remote rebase also show up in server side git 'history' |
| 23:04.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
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| 23:06.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | so unless poettering has system level access (aka unix shell account) to github.com, I don't see how he could make comments vanish completely |
| 23:07.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | but then, I never really looked into how gitblub works |
| 23:07.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe the ticket system isn't even git based, no idea here |
| 23:16.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | to start with, there should be a git specific view to the tickets/comments content. Without that, the comment is lost for the greater public |
| 23:16.46 | golinux | Would it be in the waybackmachine? |
| 23:17.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody triggered a backup, yes |
| 23:17.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | (git) sth like git checkout https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/ or somesuch? |
| 23:18.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, git noob here |
| 23:20.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, git clone https://github.com/systemd/ ? |
| 23:21.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't know if sth like web/ or www/ or issues/ wold be available in there |
| 23:22.34 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: if you want to clone the repo, you should try |
| 23:22.43 | KatolaZ | git clone https://github.com/systemd/systemd |
| 23:23.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | cloning |
| 23:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | tried git clone https://github.com/systemd/ - failed |
| 23:23.58 | KatolaZ | that's just the user's directory |
| 23:24.05 | KatolaZ | (yes, the username is systemd) |
| 23:25.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, http://paste.ubuntu.com/24423524 |
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| 23:41.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | no luck in this git clone, not even with grep |
| 23:41.45 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: dunno whether clone also gets issues |
| 23:42.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | pnviously not, though it's a question what you're cloning ;-) |
| 23:42.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously* |
| 23:43.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | git clone https://github.com/systemd/systemd/www or whatever still may exist |
| 23:43.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | oops sorry |
| 23:43.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | git clone https://github.com/systemd/www |
| 23:44.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | as stated, no clue about gitblub here |
| 23:45.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, I think I've been enough of OT to piss off a lot of people in here, so I'll shut up |