| 00:04.44 | Oldmoss | ok, window is activated/focused when mouse moves over/to it ... |
| 00:05.15 | Oldmoss | and cursor was blinking in input line in hexchat from earlier ... |
| 00:05.54 | Oldmoss | Im testing out refracta in virtual box, seems to be standard. Not used to that |
| 00:06.02 | fsmithred | greenjeans is gone. Come back, dude. |
| 00:06.55 | fsmithred | haha, focus under mouse -> fewer clicks -> less repetitive strain |
| 00:07.17 | Oldmoss | I just need to get used to it. |
| 00:07.23 | fsmithred | and you can type in a window that's partly behind another window. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. |
| 00:07.39 | fsmithred | I picked up that setting back when I used fvwm2 in suse |
| 00:07.44 | Oldmoss | And your Refracta is bery nice btw |
| 00:07.50 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 00:07.54 | furrywolf | I use icewm's layering functions when I want to type into a window covered by another window. |
| 00:08.03 | fsmithred | it's had time for serious honing |
| 00:08.12 | fsmithred | furrywolf, what's that? |
| 00:09.27 | furrywolf | icewm is the window manager I use. it lets me assign layer levels to windows, so that a more-top window will always stay above less-top windows, even if I click to focus on the lower windows. |
| 00:09.41 | fsmithred | oh |
| 00:09.55 | fsmithred | I never tried that. I've used icewm in the past. |
| 00:09.59 | Oldmoss | fsmithred: I can run Refracta in full screen in VirtualBox on my mac. Built in support for that from your side? |
| 00:10.26 | fsmithred | yeah, the isos were make in vbox installs, and I added the guest additions |
| 00:10.33 | fsmithred | so I can copy/paste |
| 00:11.16 | fsmithred | that might be missing in future builds if I switch to building with live-sdk |
| 00:11.49 | Oldmoss | pity if so |
| 00:12.15 | Oldmoss | This is just beautyful :) |
| 00:12.16 | fsmithred | might be possible if I use the free version |
| 00:12.32 | fsmithred | thank golinux for the visual aspects |
| 00:12.52 | fsmithred | she made the theme |
| 00:13.16 | fsmithred | clearlooks-phenix-purky (purpy x milky) |
| 00:13.48 | Oldmoss | Yes, very nice ... |
| 00:13.52 | fsmithred | should probably package it |
| 00:14.34 | Oldmoss | But I tend to either put pictures of my cat on the desktop, or a solid grey/dark color |
| 00:15.21 | fsmithred | I like the illusion of distance |
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| 01:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | VMs are somewhat special with focus. There's a setting that doesn't even let the mouse escape the window unless you press an escape-key |
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| 09:54.41 | MinceR | the installer-iso directories under devuan_jessie_rc on several mirrors are empty |
| 09:54.47 | MinceR | is this intentional? |
| 09:56.21 | Deadpan110 | hi MinceR ...ima new trying it too... but I assume the RC is not ready on ISO yet... so I used the alpha |
| 09:56.33 | KatolaZ | no it's the NSA replacing them :) |
| 09:56.45 | Deadpan110 | :P |
| 09:59.50 | MinceR | :) |
| 10:04.31 | jaromil | lol then we'll find systemd installed |
| 10:05.13 | KatolaZ | namely |
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| 10:18.27 | TwistedFate | hi folks |
| 10:18.37 | TwistedFate | is this me or a bug? http://paste.debian.net/hidden/11ed41f2/ |
| 10:18.42 | TwistedFate | gconf2 cant be installed |
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| 10:25.34 | KatolaZ | TwistedFate: it depends on systemd, through dbus-user-session... |
| 10:26.47 | TwistedFate | KatolaZ: i see that, a friend of mine has gconf2 installed though |
| 10:26.51 | TwistedFate | and he doesnt have systemd |
| 10:27.04 | TwistedFate | so i was wondering if something has changed or if its a bug |
| 10:27.45 | KatolaZ | TwistedFate: a friend of yours uses devuan? |
| 10:28.23 | TwistedFate | KatolaZ: yes |
| 10:29.08 | KatolaZ | this seems at least strange |
| 10:29.51 | TwistedFate | i have "systemd*" pinned |
| 10:29.56 | TwistedFate | same as he does |
| 10:33.11 | KatolaZ | same release? |
| 10:33.41 | TwistedFate | KatolaZ: no, he is using ceres |
| 10:33.50 | TwistedFate | and i am using ascii |
| 10:33.57 | KatolaZ | TwistedFate: that might be the reason, then |
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| 10:34.52 | KatolaZ | dependencies do not have to stay the same in testing/unstable |
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| 10:37.28 | fsmithred | TwistedFate, are you running jessie or ascii? |
| 10:39.20 | TwistedFate | fsmithred: asii right now |
| 10:40.23 | fsmithred | yeah, I just figured that out. dbus-user-session only exists in ascii |
| 10:40.45 | fsmithred | I've got gconf2 installed in jessie with "*systemd*" pinned |
| 10:40.53 | TwistedFate | oh damn it |
| 10:41.44 | fsmithred | you may have to wait until folks start working seriously on ascii |
| 10:41.56 | fsmithred | or start sanitizing packages yourself |
| 10:42.06 | fsmithred | KatolaZ has made it easier to do that |
| 10:43.15 | TwistedFate | fsmithred: KatolaZ oh yeah? could you please tell me more? while i dont have the knowledge yet, im interested in looking into it |
| 10:44.21 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=550 |
| 10:44.56 | fsmithred | brb |
| 10:45.59 | KatolaZ | TwistedFate: just repackage it |
| 10:46.07 | KatolaZ | removing the dependency on systemd |
| 10:46.14 | KatolaZ | or better |
| 10:46.23 | KatolaZ | look how the whole lot works in ceres |
| 10:46.29 | KatolaZ | in terms of deps |
| 10:46.37 | KatolaZ | maybe it's not needed to repackage it |
| 10:46.48 | KatolaZ | you might just want to wait until it gets into ascii |
| 10:49.11 | TwistedFate | KatolaZ: i see, well it appears that this should not be present in ceres |
| 10:49.18 | TwistedFate | so not much point to rebuild it |
| 10:50.14 | fsmithred | is ceres better than ascii right now? |
| 10:52.25 | gnarface | no i'm having the same problem on ceres |
| 10:52.35 | gnarface | i just updated a couple days ago though, this is new |
| 10:53.11 | KatolaZ | so it's just coming straight from Debian |
| 10:53.39 | gnarface | that's my assumption, but i have no way to prove it's not something wrong with the repo somehow |
| 10:54.14 | KatolaZ | gnarface: just apt-cache policy |
| 10:54.21 | KatolaZ | it will tell you where the package comes from |
| 10:54.59 | KatolaZ | the version in Jessie comes from Debian |
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| 10:55.07 | KatolaZ | so it has not been repackaged for Devuan |
| 10:55.41 | KatolaZ | I don't know exactly what's the state of gnome-related packages |
| 10:55.50 | KatolaZ | but I know that GNOME is more and more entangled with systemd |
| 10:56.07 | KatolaZ | so this is not just a matter of repackaging one piece, probably |
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| 11:20.30 | sgage | Lack of gconf2 prevents the installation of many packages in ascii |
| 11:20.53 | sgage | and has for months (ever since I first upgraded a jessie installation to ascii) |
| 11:23.24 | gnarface | hmm... maybe gconf2 has been held for a while for me too after all... |
| 11:23.34 | gnarface | now i'm not sure |
| 11:23.45 | gnarface | there have been some held packages |
| 11:29.33 | sgage | gconf2 won't install because it depends on dbus-session-bus. |
| 11:29.43 | sgage | That's what seems to be backing things up. |
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| 11:44.06 | jaromil | KatolaZ: https://devuan.org/os/issues |
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| 12:40.38 | frohe_ostern | fsmithred: are you here? |
| 12:41.13 | fsmithred | back |
| 12:41.15 | fsmithred | hi |
| 12:44.03 | frohe_ostern | Hello |
| 12:44.22 | fsmithred | hi |
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| 12:57.55 | gnu_srs | https://ci.devuan.org/: Unable to connect. Still problems? |
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| 16:26.07 | jonadab | Hmm, suppose I want the smallest ISO that will let me do a quick base install of the RC (from which point I can use apt to add packages as needed). Is minimal-live what I want? installer-iso/ seems to be empty. |
| 16:29.49 | KatolaZ | jonadab: RC has not been announced yet |
| 16:31.22 | jonadab | Ah. |
| 16:31.29 | jonadab | I was just looking at the mirrors. |
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| 16:31.55 | jonadab | So if I exert my patience, does this mean an installer-iso may appear at some point? And is that what I'll want? |
| 16:32.22 | jonadab | Or should I go ahead and grab the beta and upgrade from there? |
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| 17:35.26 | Artemis3 | jonadab, the smallest is mini.iso which is usually found near the netinstaller xD |
| 17:39.04 | Artemis3 | now where is that thing buried now xD ah well |
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| 17:49.18 | jonadab | Yeah, I think I will just get the beta2 one, and then do updates after the base install is done. |
| 17:49.21 | jonadab | But thanks. |
| 17:49.30 | jonadab | I'll remember mini.iso for the future. |
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| 19:39.02 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 19:41.20 | golinux | Is connamon working yet? |
| 19:41.28 | golinux | try cinnamon\ |
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| 19:47.05 | AntoFox | golinux: for ascii or jessie? |
| 19:49.32 | golinux | For Jessie. |
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| 19:50.22 | golinux | If it is not working should probably be removed from the installer list of desktop options. |
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| 19:54.24 | AntoFox | golinux: the last time I tried it had problems with stability, cinnamon-session restarting session :/ |
| 19:55.14 | golinux | Its's OK in ascii? |
| 19:55.14 | AntoFox | every time you move/remove a file |
| 19:56.23 | AntoFox | on ascii systemd are coming to cjs |
| 19:56.28 | AntoFox | -.- |
| 19:56.41 | golinux | cjs? |
| 20:00.52 | AntoFox | yes some library linked to libcjs |
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| 20:48.48 | jonadab | Really somebody should've forked Gnome in about 1999. |
| 20:49.09 | jonadab | But I guess better late than never. |
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| 20:52.26 | freemangordon | is it normal that /etc/init.d/dbus is not executed on startup? |
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| 21:09.22 | frohe_ostern | fsmithred: are you here? |
| 21:11.08 | fsmithred | frohe_ostern, yes, I'm here |
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| 23:05.57 | Xenguy | I was looking at the channel log, and noticed there was a mention of the 'apt' command (as distinct from the older 'apt-get' command) ... |
| 23:06.32 | Xenguy | Do folks here use 'apt' nowadays, instead of 'apt-get' or 'aptitude' ? |
| 23:07.08 | Xenguy | If so, is 'apt', being newer, reliable, or are there any gotchas to be aware of? |
| 23:07.49 | fsmithred | if you run apt, one of the first things it tells you is not to use it in scripts |
| 23:08.00 | Xenguy | Good to know |
| 23:08.16 | fsmithred | I've only used it a couple times |
| 23:09.08 | Xenguy | Is apt compatible with apt-get, i.e. can they be used interchangeably without causing any problems? |
| 23:11.04 | fsmithred | afaik, yes |
| 23:14.15 | Xenguy | Looks like the apt man page has this section also: DIFFERENCES TO APT-GET(8) |
| 23:14.45 | Xenguy | The differences seem few and minor |
| 23:14.51 | Xenguy | AFAICT |
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| 23:48.15 | Xenguy | re: focus under mouse: I use it myself, though I note that I seem to have to alt-tab more often because of that |
| 23:51.51 | fsmithred | what does alt-tab do? |
| 23:52.17 | fsmithred | oh, wow |
| 23:53.07 | Xenguy | FUM requires attention to mouse pointer placement, and sometimes I'll overshoot the desired window, and it will disappear, requiring an alt-tab to bring it back into focus |
| 23:54.08 | Xenguy | fsmithred: You can use the Shift key too (IIUC) |
| 23:55.36 | Xenguy | Other than that, I love FUM |
| 23:55.50 | Xenguy | Less clicks = good |
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