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| 07:42.14 | Sudos|U10 | question on the ouya build-- does that work on the dark-gray release ouya or just the second variant, the black one? IIRC there's a slight hardware difference between the two. I have the release variant gathering dust around here somewhere... |
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| 08:22.37 | FlibberTGibbet | is there a known issue with samba? i get this when trying to install the bits: |
| 08:22.39 | FlibberTGibbet | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:22.46 | KatolaZ | yes FlibberTGibbet |
| 08:22.49 | KatolaZ | this is known |
| 08:23.08 | FlibberTGibbet | oh crap. should have done my research. this is a deal breaker for me. |
| 08:23.22 | KatolaZ | we are working on that |
| 08:23.35 | FlibberTGibbet | dependency issues? |
| 08:23.42 | KatolaZ | yes |
| 08:23.50 | FlibberTGibbet | what is it looking for? |
| 08:23.53 | KatolaZ | multiple versions in upstream repos |
| 08:24.07 | KatolaZ | well it told you what it is looking for |
| 08:24.08 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 08:24.13 | FlibberTGibbet | yup |
| 08:24.17 | KatolaZ | Depends: samba-common (= 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u5) |
| 08:24.28 | FlibberTGibbet | yup. can i force it to use the other version? |
| 08:25.32 | FlibberTGibbet | -f or...? |
| 08:27.56 | KatolaZ | maybe recompiling the source package might do the trick |
| 08:28.07 | KatolaZ | but I would instead try to stick with the previous version |
| 08:33.37 | FlibberTGibbet | can't really stick with the previous version if neither will install... |
| 08:34.05 | KatolaZ | FlibberTGibbet: brb |
| 08:35.02 | FlibberTGibbet | k |
| 08:35.22 | KatolaZ | trying to figure out a way around it :) |
| 08:36.21 | FlibberTGibbet | sure :) |
| 08:36.43 | KatolaZ | FlibberTGibbet: are you using security? |
| 08:36.51 | KatolaZ | jessie-security, I mean |
| 08:37.04 | FlibberTGibbet | hang on, will check |
| 08:37.36 | KatolaZ | I guess you are |
| 08:37.42 | FlibberTGibbet | not in /etc/apt/sources.list, will check in ..../sources.list.d |
| 08:37.48 | KatolaZ | ok thanks |
| 08:37.51 | FlibberTGibbet | ah, sorry, yes |
| 08:38.02 | KatolaZ | lok |
| 08:38.02 | FlibberTGibbet | # jessie-security, previously known as 'volatile' |
| 08:38.02 | FlibberTGibbet | deb http://gb.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main contrib non-free |
| 08:38.02 | FlibberTGibbet | deb-src http://gb.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security main contrib non-free |
| 08:38.10 | KatolaZ | apt-cache policy samba-common |
| 08:38.23 | KatolaZ | pls |
| 08:39.11 | KatolaZ | and then |
| 08:39.17 | KatolaZ | apt-cache policy samba |
| 08:39.18 | FlibberTGibbet | https://paste.ee/p/G3daw |
| 08:39.56 | FlibberTGibbet | https://paste.ee/p/k6QRU |
| 08:40.08 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 08:40.25 | KatolaZ | now what it you try |
| 08:40.31 | KatolaZ | apt-get install samba -t jessie |
| 08:41.11 | KatolaZ | it should work, in theory |
| 08:42.36 | FlibberTGibbet | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.36 | FlibberTGibbet | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.51 | KatolaZ | mmmhh |
| 08:42.52 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 08:42.55 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 08:43.17 | KatolaZ | now let's try to disable security |
| 08:43.29 | FlibberTGibbet | comment it out in the sources.list? |
| 08:43.34 | KatolaZ | yes |
| 08:43.40 | KatolaZ | and then |
| 08:43.42 | KatolaZ | apt-get update |
| 08:44.28 | FlibberTGibbet | doing that now |
| 08:44.46 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 08:44.52 | KatolaZ | and then retry installing samba |
| 08:45.08 | FlibberTGibbet | incidentally i'm seeing a conflict with /var/lib/apt/lists/gb-mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_jessie_main_mainary-amd64 :/ |
| 08:45.18 | FlibberTGibbet | when I run update |
| 08:45.47 | KatolaZ | let's solve one problem at a time :D |
| 08:45.49 | KatolaZ | ;) |
| 08:45.53 | FlibberTGibbet | lol |
| 08:46.38 | FlibberTGibbet | ok, no joy |
| 08:46.49 | KatolaZ | what is it saying now? |
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| 08:47.29 | FlibberTGibbet | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 08:47.29 | FlibberTGibbet | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.29 | FlibberTGibbet | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:47.29 | FlibberTGibbet | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 08:48.19 | KatolaZ | oh boy |
| 08:48.30 | FlibberTGibbet | neither of those dependencies will install individually |
| 08:48.36 | KatolaZ | that;s wierd |
| 08:48.40 | FlibberTGibbet | yup |
| 08:48.43 | KatolaZ | apt-cache policy again? |
| 08:48.49 | KatolaZ | apt-cache policy samba-common |
| 08:48.56 | KatolaZ | apt-cache policy samba-common-bin |
| 08:48.59 | KatolaZ | apt-cache policy samba-libs |
| 08:49.10 | FlibberTGibbet | i'll pastebin them in a sec |
| 08:49.15 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 08:49.16 | KatolaZ | thanks |
| 08:49.51 | FlibberTGibbet | https://paste.ee/p/nDQmg |
| 08:50.19 | FlibberTGibbet | unless it's an issue with the mirror?? |
| 08:50.27 | KatolaZ | pok |
| 08:50.33 | KatolaZ | you have to downgrade samba-libs |
| 08:50.35 | KatolaZ | first |
| 08:50.58 | KatolaZ | apt-get install --reinstall samba-libs=2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u2 |
| 08:51.43 | FlibberTGibbet | done, successfully |
| 08:51.46 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 08:51.51 | KatolaZ | now |
| 08:51.55 | KatolaZ | apt-get install samba |
| 08:52.26 | FlibberTGibbet | w00t! |
| 08:52.28 | KatolaZ | (fingers crossed) |
| 08:52.35 | FlibberTGibbet | looks like a result |
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| 08:52.44 | KatolaZ | does it work? |
| 08:53.01 | FlibberTGibbet | i have access to things like smbpasswd, so that's a yes :D |
| 08:53.30 | FlibberTGibbet | what's the chance that apt-get will try to break it in future, or am I ok for now? |
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| 08:53.48 | KatolaZ | wait FlibberTGibbet |
| 08:54.04 | KatolaZ | I am including a pin in devuan-baseconf now |
| 08:54.09 | KatolaZ | and upload the new package |
| 08:54.20 | KatolaZ | but first, I would like you to test the pin, if possible |
| 08:54.26 | KatolaZ | give me a few minutes, please |
| 08:54.29 | FlibberTGibbet | sure |
| 08:54.43 | FlibberTGibbet | brb in 2 mins -- sounds like coffee is needed |
| 08:54.51 | KatolaZ | yep! |
| 08:55.04 | asbesto | yeah |
| 08:56.51 | FlibberTGibbet | back |
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| 09:31.51 | FlibberTGibbet | KatolaZ: have to go out now, but happy to test that apt pin later |
| 09:32.08 | FlibberTGibbet | KatolaZ: thanks for the help getting Samba working so far. Much appreciated. |
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| 09:34.02 | KatolaZ | FlibberTGibbet: |
| 09:34.08 | KatolaZ | are you still here? |
| 09:34.10 | KatolaZ | oh |
| 09:34.11 | KatolaZ | :( |
| 09:34.13 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 09:34.17 | KatolaZ | I have the pin file now |
| 09:45.55 | FlibberTGibbet | ah, ok, can just about do that before i have to go |
| 09:46.24 | FlibberTGibbet | KatolaZ: fire away |
| 09:47.34 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 09:47.41 | KatolaZ | send you a pinfile |
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| 11:58.05 | parazyd | embedded rc images coming up sometime today when they're finished building |
| 11:58.20 | parazyd | just in case you're wondering why they disappeared (like anyone actually cares) |
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| 12:31.12 | fsmithred | someone was asking about rpi images yesterday. |
| 12:44.29 | parazyd | yeah i remember |
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| 13:04.03 | fsmithred | purge_packages=() seems to be working. |
| 13:25.02 | parazyd | fsmithred: it's supposed to :p |
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| 13:37.38 | fsmithred | well, first time I tried it, it didn't work. That's probably because I didn't delete strapdir |
| 13:38.28 | parazyd | yes, as i explained in the email, what is tarballed is libdevuansdk's vanilla thing |
| 13:38.30 | fsmithred | speaking of which, if you change the sdk to delete strapdir, make it easy to turn that off, in case someone wants to keep and examin it. |
| 13:38.41 | fsmithred | examine |
| 13:38.42 | parazyd | yes there's a DEBUG flag |
| 13:38.47 | fsmithred | cool |
| 13:38.49 | parazyd | implemented already in arm-sdk |
| 13:38.58 | parazyd | i just didn't get around to put it in the other two |
| 13:39.17 | fsmithred | when you do, fill me in on the details, and I'll add that to the doc. |
| 13:39.32 | fsmithred | gotta go now. bbl. |
| 13:39.33 | parazyd | sure |
| 13:39.36 | parazyd | ttyl |
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| 14:25.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan samba is https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2017-04-12/?msg=83873955&page=2 |
| 14:25.44 | infobot | ...but #devuan samba is already something else... |
| 14:26.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | samba |
| 14:26.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | !samba |
| 14:26.07 | infobot | from memory, samba is <Centurion_Dan> I'm working hard to get amprolla the capability to allow multiple versions of same package in dist. Root of issue is that amprolla only keeps first instance of a package so the newer version never makes it in. The situation should only happen where arch=all and [...] partial upload - ie with samba some archs running older version because newer version only builds for some of the architectures |
| 14:26.39 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: we are fixing it |
| 14:26.42 | KatolaZ | already |
| 14:26.52 | KatolaZ | it's gonna work in a few hours |
| 14:27.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, so I defer that factoid fix |
| 14:27.26 | KatolaZ | the factoid is obsolete anyway |
| 14:27.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot: no, #devuan samba is https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2017-04-12/?msg=83873955&page=2 |
| 14:27.50 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 14:28.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | !samba |
| 14:28.43 | infobot | it has been said that samba is https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2017-04-12/?msg=83873955&page=2 |
| 14:28.52 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 14:28.58 | KatolaZ | just hold ond :) |
| 14:29.03 | KatolaZ | ~on |
| 14:32.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | when it's fixed (and no more to say about it), we delete the factoid |
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| 15:33.41 | dev1rox | any dev's out there ?? I have a question |
| 15:36.14 | jaromil | busy but yes |
| 15:36.46 | dev1rox | sorry to bother a really quick one |
| 15:37.02 | dev1rox | what's up with samba and kodi ? |
| 15:37.15 | dev1rox | I know i can get samba by installing testing |
| 15:37.19 | dev1rox | and also kodi |
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| 15:39.27 | jaromil | samba is glowing on our todo list today |
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| 15:39.39 | jaromil | its the only package in debian that has different versions for different arches |
| 15:39.51 | jaromil | together with icedove and the other icething |
| 15:40.06 | jaromil | this anomaly created a problem in amprolla |
| 15:40.16 | jaromil | which we are hotfixing for now (without pinning) |
| 15:40.23 | jaromil | kodi: what about kodi? |
| 15:40.29 | dev1rox | thank you for talking to me |
| 15:40.39 | dev1rox | it's not in stable |
| 15:40.55 | jaromil | yes |
| 15:41.19 | dev1rox | will it be in stable anytime ? |
| 15:41.35 | jaromil | only from -backports |
| 15:41.56 | jaromil | in jessie you have xbmc |
| 15:42.03 | jaromil | old name for kodi |
| 15:42.17 | dev1rox | ok thanks again, the devs here have always been cool |
| 15:42.26 | jaromil | thanks :^) happy hacking |
| 15:42.32 | dev1rox | always |
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| 17:43.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | still wonders if eventually devuan will offer a armel repo. So users on other debian based armel systems could install at least basic cmdline tools from devuan |
| 17:45.02 | parazyd | ummm |
| 17:45.08 | parazyd | there's always been an armel repo |
| 17:45.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh? |
| 17:45.25 | Leander | there's an image for the pi1, so there's an armel repo, I guess |
| 17:45.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | aah, ok |
| 17:46.00 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: the armel repo has been there for long, I guess.... |
| 17:46.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | I just looked at https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=20 and it doesn't list armel |
| 17:47.12 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: you should look into packages.devuan.org |
| 17:47.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | only armhf |
| 17:47.25 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: what KatolaZ told you |
| 17:47.38 | KatolaZ | there you find all the available repos |
| 17:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | "you're holding it wrong" not helpful :-) |
| 17:48.22 | KatolaZ | http://packages.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/ |
| 17:48.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=20 need an update/fix |
| 17:50.24 | golinux | I can do that if you tell me exactly what needs to be done |
| 17:51.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | good question. I reealize it's only about migration. Hard to cover my topic in that context |
| 17:51.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you migrate a rpi from debian to devuan? |
| 17:51.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | nfc about rpi |
| 17:52.16 | golinux | Ping me when you figure it out. |
| 17:52.23 | golinux | biab |
| 17:52.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | will do |
| 17:52.38 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: you can't |
| 17:52.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe how about a "devuan and maemo" article? |
| 17:52.47 | parazyd | (if you mean raspbian) |
| 17:53.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's probably what I meant |
| 17:53.55 | parazyd | no you can't. their architecture differs from upstream debian |
| 17:54.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | or "devuan on embedded (rpi, N900...)" |
| 17:54.17 | parazyd | on a pi1 you can't. but you can migrate a pi2 to de*an's armhf |
| 17:56.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | is armel<->armhf introducing need for patches into sourcecode? |
| 17:56.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | IOW could I build the armhf source to an armel target? |
| 17:56.59 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: what sourcecode are you talking about? |
| 17:57.12 | parazyd | you can build anything, just use a proper toolchain |
| 17:57.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | err, whatever de*an is available for armhf now |
| 17:57.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | ideally without systemcancer ;-) |
| 17:57.56 | parazyd | any devuan armhf package exists in an armel version too |
| 17:58.03 | parazyd | if that's what you're talking about |
| 17:58.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes |
| 17:58.14 | parazyd | raspbian's armel != debian's armel |
| 17:58.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | so the "we have rpi armel" was a red herring? :-) |
| 17:58.42 | KatolaZ | raspian is screwed up |
| 17:59.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | simply put: where do I install form on a N900 maemo5? |
| 17:59.57 | parazyd | wtf is form |
| 18:00.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | in the good ole times, I installed form debian armel |
| 18:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | from* |
| 18:00.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | weird repeating typo |
| 18:00.50 | parazyd | ask in #maemo what toolchain is used |
| 18:00.58 | parazyd | then use that for cross compiling |
| 18:01.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | ihmy!!! |
| 18:01.17 | parazyd | this is not the place to talk about building maemo packages |
| 18:01.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | **in the good ole times, I installed from debian armel** |
| 18:01.56 | parazyd | times they are a changin' |
| 18:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and we got systemd now :-) |
| 18:02.16 | KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: then get debian armel |
| 18:02.34 | parazyd | KatolaZ: it's debian lenny |
| 18:02.43 | KatolaZ | oh boy! |
| 18:02.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | it seems I totally fail to convey my problem |
| 18:03.29 | KatolaZ | I dunno what's a N900 maemo5 |
| 18:03.33 | KatolaZ | you asked about armel repo |
| 18:03.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo once been a debian based distro, so users could install debian armel packages "from upstream". |
| 18:03.38 | KatolaZ | I replied |
| 18:04.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | now maemo strill is debian based, but that debian base now is named devuan |
| 18:04.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | while debian is an abomination now |
| 18:05.09 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: it's being done, it doesn't mean it's already magically ready |
| 18:05.21 | parazyd | the stock n900 maemo will never work with devuan or debian |
| 18:05.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry? |
| 18:05.33 | parazyd | that's why the porting is undergoing |
| 18:05.48 | parazyd | otherwise we'd all live in a happy world and update our n900s |
| 18:05.50 | DocScrutinizer05 | that porting is a completely different thing |
| 18:05.58 | jaromil | how is the release going? |
| 18:06.01 | jaromil | we need help with devuan! |
| 18:06.07 | jaromil | DocScrutinizer05: mind going through the website? |
| 18:06.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ? |
| 18:06.27 | jaromil | we can use extra pair of eyes on devuan right now |
| 18:06.30 | jaromil | extra, not less |
| 18:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | sure, toss a link |
| 18:06.39 | jaromil | https://devuan.org |
| 18:07.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-))) |
| 18:07.05 | jaromil | we need to avoid any link leading to nonsense land or leftovers or old olbsoleted docs |
| 18:07.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | obviously |
| 18:07.30 | jaromil | just got a big update from golinux to trim the contents and get to the point |
| 18:07.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'll give it a few hours of scrutiny |
| 18:07.37 | jaromil | thanks |
| 18:07.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | np |
| 18:08.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | is there a old version for reference, except maybe on archive.org? |
| 18:08.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | might be useful in a few special situations |
| 18:11.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | and sorry for me interfering with armel stuff while you're all busy with RC :-) didn't know |
| 18:11.21 | gnarface | snorts |
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| 18:11.29 | gnarface | nice web interface on packages.devuan.org guys :-p |
| 18:11.41 | parazyd | grins |
| 18:12.02 | parazyd | it's parseable with a bunch of stuff |
| 18:12.12 | parazyd | like shell scripts, python, ... the sky's the limit |
| 18:12.18 | jaromil | well we could remove alpha-iso-cd |
| 18:12.20 | gnarface | the sky indeed |
| 18:12.30 | KatolaZ | gnarface: wanna give it a try> |
| 18:12.38 | KatolaZ | with a slick interface? |
| 18:12.49 | KatolaZ | that would be useful |
| 18:13.10 | parazyd | KatolaZ: amprolla will be able to be queried |
| 18:13.22 | KatolaZ | remember that the most important concept is KISS |
| 18:13.29 | gnarface | KatolaZ: the best i could conceivably do is just clone the debian one in php |
| 18:13.35 | parazyd | no, everything is in RAM so it's uberfast |
| 18:13.47 | KatolaZ | gnarface: that would be the worst thing |
| 18:14.32 | gnarface | KatolaZ: it may be better to just leave it as-is for now then. it's got a sort of rustic charm... can we change the default background from white to netscape grey? |
| 18:14.45 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 18:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/Devuan file names follow this release naming scheme and aliases its releases using minor planet names as codenames./Devuan file names follow this release naming scheme and its releases are aliased using minor planet names as codenames./ |
| 18:14.56 | KatolaZ | whuite is needed for visually impaired people |
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| 18:19.22 | jonadab | considers white backgrounds satanic and can't look at them for more than a few seconds at a time without experiencing physical pain. |
| 18:19.51 | jonadab | (However, if the setting is easy to change, I don't get very bothered about defaults.) |
| 18:20.55 | gnarface | well if visibility is actually the key factor here and not just a flippant dismissal of my already flippant suggestion, it should be noted that black-on-white is NOT the only legally-approved "high-contrast" color combination deemed suitable for signage |
| 18:22.39 | jonadab | The only color rules I get very excited about are 1. Thou Shalt Not Specify A Foreground Color Without a Background Color or Vice Versa and 2. The User Shall Be Able To Override Your Colors Somehow. |
| 18:22.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, pretty please avoid that braindamaged "lette" light gray text on dark gray background (or vice vera) wherever possible (so everywhere) |
| 18:23.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | leete* |
| 18:23.39 | gnarface | us highway dept. approves of white on black, white on green, white on blue, white on red, black on yellow, and white on brown |
| 18:23.48 | jonadab | normally uses #FFE6BC on #294D4A but does not expect that to be made the default, since a lot of folks don't seem to understand how great it is for some reason. |
| 18:23.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | froms at "Donate" button's forground/background color pair |
| 18:24.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | frowns, even |
| 18:24.37 | jonadab | gnarface: Some of those are only used for signs with very small amounts of text that you don't actually have to read. |
| 18:25.15 | gnarface | jonadab: yea, but primarily the black-on-white we're already using |
| 18:25.28 | parazyd | #000 on #000 is best |
| 18:25.29 | gnarface | so there's THAT |
| 18:25.33 | jonadab | Also, highway signs aren't backlit. |
| 18:25.36 | jonadab | Usually. |
| 18:26.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | the "path name" thing upper right is already almost invisible light grey on white |
| 18:26.25 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what's with your fingers today? :p |
| 18:26.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://devuan.org/os/filenaming |
| 18:26.50 | gnarface | jonadab: speaking of backlights, the white background also drains laptop batteries faster |
| 18:27.01 | jaromil | we are not really changing colors or looks |
| 18:27.11 | jaromil | but links leading nowhere and bad wording |
| 18:27.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: because all the typos? age kicks in on motorics |
| 18:27.22 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: while assessing, try to open it with microb |
| 18:27.49 | jonadab | gnarface: I did say it should be easy to change the settings, right? |
| 18:27.58 | freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: oh, comeon, you're not much older than I am, and I still don't see any major failure |
| 18:28.07 | gnarface | jonadab: i don't think anyone suggested it wasn't |
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| 18:28.37 | gnarface | could just set it client-side if he cared that much |
| 18:28.49 | freemangordon | gnarface: are there laptops with LED displays already? |
| 18:29.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: it's incorrect assumption for everything except zone backlight and OLED/plasma |
| 18:29.39 | freemangordon | mhm |
| 18:29.45 | freemangordon | thus my question :) |
| 18:29.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | :-D |
| 18:31.16 | jaromil | aliases releases wording found. correcte. |
| 18:31.34 | gnarface | freemangordon: it's honestly old tech now |
| 18:32.09 | parazyd | greenjeans: i thought that was true only for LED screens |
| 18:32.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: on https://devuan.org/os/filenaming (et al) could you please pick much darker forground for the "Devuan GNU+Linux file name conventions for downloads" upper right? and I'd suggest italic for "devuan" "release" "version" "arch" "installer" in the bullit list |
| 18:33.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | "machine" |
| 18:33.40 | greenjeans | wut? I didn't say anything parazyd |
| 18:33.58 | parazyd | greenjeans: sorry, tabcompletion fail |
| 18:34.02 | gnarface | greenjeans: he meant me |
| 18:34.06 | parazyd | i meant gnarface |
| 18:34.08 | parazyd | ^^ |
| 18:34.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: "* machine: if present" has a colon that's not used in the other items |
| 18:34.50 | greenjeans | okay, it's just that i need more coffee before i can participate |
| 18:34.52 | greenjeans | lol |
| 18:36.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: on https://devuan.org/os/filenaming would you want to replace references to beta ? |
| 18:36.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: >>So for instance if you are looking for a network installer of devuan for a 64bit PC laptop youâll look for a file called devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_amd64_netinst.iso<< |
| 18:37.28 | jaromil | found |
| 18:37.44 | jaromil | good idea |
| 18:37.56 | KatolaZ | cool guys |
| 18:38.02 | jaromil | which makes me think KatolaZ |
| 18:38.07 | KatolaZ | the more the merrier |
| 18:38.11 | jaromil | in fact without semantic versioning |
| 18:38.17 | jaromil | once RC is gone |
| 18:38.27 | jaromil | we lose a field |
| 18:38.29 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: Devuan file names follow this release naming scheme and its releases are aliased using minor planet names as codenames./ |
| 18:38.39 | jaromil | that's why we need 1.0.0 |
| 18:38.44 | jaromil | golinux: i've pushed the correction already |
| 18:38.47 | golinux | Nooo! Avoid passive tense!! |
| 18:39.14 | jaromil | ah! ahah ok |
| 18:39.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | same page >>Devuan stable releases can be downloaded from files.devuan.org.<< pounts to the "root" where you find "RC" in devuan_jessie_rc/ only. Might be clearer |
| 18:39.40 | jaromil | true passive tense is not idiomatic english |
| 18:39.48 | jaromil | at least not simple english |
| 18:40.11 | jaromil | that's ok |
| 18:40.27 | golinux | What's OK? |
| 18:40.30 | jaromil | however KatolaZ i now think parazyd is right to have _1.0.0-RC_ |
| 18:40.39 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 18:40.40 | jaromil | the last thing on the download |
| 18:40.46 | KatolaZ | will fix that i nthe scripts |
| 18:40.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: the "its aliases" is very hard to parse correctly for non native speakers, it reads like aliases was a noun |
| 18:40.54 | golinux | jaromil: first part of sentence is active seconds half is passive. |
| 18:41.02 | jaromil | true |
| 18:41.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | how about "and it does alias" |
| 18:41.24 | golinux | Take the's' off of 'its' |
| 18:41.48 | golinux | No forget that |
| 18:41.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | *shrug* |
| 18:42.08 | jaromil | golinux: please go ahead rewriting as you think it best fits |
| 18:42.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | just suggesting, up to you |
| 18:42.21 | jaromil | you are clearly our best expert plus native english speaker |
| 18:42.27 | golinux | Put it back the way it was. |
| 18:42.33 | jaromil | ok |
| 18:43.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The preferred way to download is to use our release torrent<< points to beta in https://devuan.org/os/filenaming |
| 18:43.21 | Hestben | jaromil: You could use http://validator.w3.org/checklink?uri= to check for dead links, couldn't you? |
| 18:43.53 | KatolaZ | Hestben: they might be live links, but the wrong ones... |
| 18:44.06 | jaromil | Hestben: yea. i will . however i wasn't exact the problem we are looking for is not really dead links (the few there we know of and will be filled) but the links to old stuff.. the website is bigger than it needs |
| 18:44.10 | golinux | Hestben: You wouldn't believe how many dead links there were on that page |
| 18:44.34 | KatolaZ | Hestben: join with the multiple-check if you can |
| 18:44.39 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 18:44.52 | Hestben | KatolaZ: OK, will try |
| 18:44.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>Devuan file names follow the release naming scheme.<< on https://devuan.org/os/filenaming is a self referencing aka recursive link |
| 18:45.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | poor style |
| 18:45.25 | Hestben | jaromil: Have you live patched the comments previous in this conversation? |
| 18:45.32 | jaromil | yep |
| 18:45.58 | golinux | Did you clear cache and reload That link was replaced with one from git. |
| 18:46.12 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ |
| 18:46.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, I opened the link in a new tab a few minutes ago |
| 18:47.08 | jaromil | the git fixes are not live on web immediately |
| 18:47.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | cache policy "keep in sync" |
| 18:47.20 | jaromil | for that one should use ruby middleman to preview locally from commits |
| 18:48.15 | jaromil | the fact gitlab is slow also doesn't helps |
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| 18:49.09 | jaromil | any volunteer for migrating the gitlab to a bigger better host would be more than welcome |
| 18:49.20 | Lydia_K | o/ |
| 18:49.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install >>The embedded images are made using our arm-sdk<< link to https://git.devuan.org/devuan/arm-sdk kicks me to a login page :-S |
| 18:49.31 | parazyd | jaromil: mememe |
| 18:49.35 | parazyd | just find me a host |
| 18:49.47 | jaromil | you are doing so much already :P |
| 18:49.55 | parazyd | i'm bored |
| 18:49.58 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 18:50.01 | jaromil | lol |
| 18:50.02 | parazyd | and it takes 1 hour |
| 18:50.17 | jaromil | kk |
| 18:50.19 | parazyd | actually just find me a hard drive :D |
| 18:50.34 | jaromil | let me see |
| 18:50.36 | jaromil | hi AntoFox |
| 18:51.16 | parazyd | jaromil: what about halloween? |
| 18:51.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | same for >>The VM images are made using our vm-sdk on top of the devuan-sdk.<< |
| 18:51.59 | jaromil | parazyd: with katolaz we think fulcanelli |
| 18:52.09 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: it should be *.org/sdk/* |
| 18:52.14 | jaromil | which is a dyne machine but well its just ending up being fully dedicated to devuan |
| 18:52.24 | parazyd | but it's ci |
| 18:52.33 | parazyd | so when you're building you use up all res |
| 18:52.44 | jaromil | we can renice that |
| 18:52.51 | jaromil | put a bird on it |
| 18:53.04 | AntoFox | jaromil: o/ |
| 18:53.07 | parazyd | in that case i won't migrate :p |
| 18:53.28 | jaromil | think its dirty? |
| 18:53.28 | parazyd | that's a bunch more work. i just wanted to clone the hard drive hahah |
| 18:53.45 | jaromil | its quite a lot of work yes |
| 18:53.52 | jaromil | we'll stay with this now |
| 18:54.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install >>They are available from the stable release directory in files.devuan.org.<< no such "stable release directory" (on a first glance) in https://files.devuan.org/ - I know it means "devuan_jessie_rc/" but could be more clear |
| 18:55.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, only devuan-jessie-beta.torrent on https://files.devuan.org/, no devuan-jessie-RC.torrent |
| 18:55.40 | parazyd | soon, when it's ready |
| 18:55.48 | parazyd | certain files still missing |
| 18:56.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | "Vagrant" secion in https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install prolly needs some review |
| 18:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>The image devuan_jessie_beta_amd64_opennebula<< >>The image devuan_jessie_beta_amd64_cloud<< *beta* |
| 18:58.10 | jaromil | thanks that's spot on |
| 18:58.15 | Hestben | Did you guys already catch "Download" section - torrent link "https://devuan.org/os/download/devuan-jessie-beta.torrent", maybe create a new torrent that does not have "beta" in its name? |
| 18:58.21 | jaromil | devuan is now in opennebula market so no point in distributing it ourselves |
| 18:58.30 | jaromil | Hestben: we are not there yet |
| 19:00.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: sorry for coming back again to it, but how about >>Devuan names its files following this release naming scheme and it aliases its releases ..." |
| 19:02.20 | jaromil | from where is documentation/install linked? |
| 19:02.29 | jaromil | are there duplicate pages like that around? |
| 19:02.53 | jaromil | i'd like to avoid duplication. |
| 19:03.18 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: No. try this: |
| 19:03.26 | golinux | and aliases releases using |
| 19:03.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | main page https://devuan.org/ >>We recommend downloading devuan using our release torrent<< points to beta torrent |
| 19:03.34 | golinux | Just get rid of the 'its' |
| 19:03.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's no "its" right now |
| 19:03.59 | golinux | rebooting NOW! |
| 19:08.09 | Hestben | DocScrutinizer05: my page says "Devuan file names follow this release naming scheme and aliases its releases using minor planet names as codenames." There's an "its". Is my browser caching it somehow? |
| 19:08.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | ok, finished https://files.devuan.org/ incl detour to all devuan/* first level and most second level links |
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| 19:09.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hestben: no, that's what I read as well. |
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| 19:09.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't read carefully what golinux wrote |
| 19:10.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | I originally quoted the text incorrectly in here, so thought her comment referred to my quote |
| 19:10.51 | greenjeans | lot of to-do over a a pair of its... |
| 19:11.28 | Hestben | grammar is fun, because it makes people cry |
| 19:12.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | o/ |
| 19:13.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | donate button still light green text on slightly less light green background |
| 19:14.24 | Hestben | "Getting started" -> Install on a virtual machine - link is dead. |
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| 19:17.39 | MinceR | is the rc officially out yet? |
| 19:18.41 | golinux | <DocScrutinizer05> donate button still light green text on slightly less light green background |
| 19:18.52 | golinux | Yes and it turns to red on hover |
| 19:20.00 | golinux | I'm more concerned why the padding on the download button isn't working properly after it was in the last css iteration |
| 19:20.38 | golinux | We're trying . . . |
| 19:20.56 | golinux | MinceR: ^^^ |
| 19:21.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((it turns to red on hover)) that's how I was able to read it, finally :-) |
| 19:23.22 | MinceR | good |
| 19:23.30 | MinceR | hilight me when it's done so i can advertise it :) |
| 19:23.36 | Hestben | golinux: the class "button button-dl" is not defined in css, whereas "button button-primary" (Donate now) is. |
| 19:24.37 | jaromil | Hestben: oh yes there is a doublequote |
| 19:24.45 | jaromil | this page exists https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install-on-a-virtual-machine |
| 19:24.57 | jaromil | i am wondering to merge it with https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install |
| 19:26.42 | jaromil | I wonder how to import this into the website https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/home <- slow to load on gitlabn |
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| 19:28.06 | Hestben | jaromil: Seems like a good idea to merge those pages (about virtual machines), since they seem to contain duplicate information. |
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| 19:32.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | merging pages only makes sense when they cover identical topic and thus have identical info. If B is a superset of A, you can't merge A and B, rather you refer to A in B |
| 19:32.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | or, occasionally, to B in A instead |
| 19:37.56 | Hestben | I'm gonna go to bed now. Hope my comments have helped somewhat. |
| 19:38.17 | Hestben | night night |
| 19:40.03 | jaromil | yes! 10x |
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| 19:52.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install-on-a-virtual-machine indeed looks redundant |
| 19:54.51 | Oldmoss | the link "Install on a virtual machine" on front page ends up in 404 because the code ends with |
| 19:55.14 | Oldmoss | machine"" (results in two quotation marks) |
| 19:58.14 | Oldmoss | Zephyr is gone, remove the link? |
| 19:58.53 | Oldmoss | and/or add some info about it coming back? |
| 19:59.56 | Oldmoss | doh, sorry see that the virtual machine link is mentioned earlier, sorry |
| 20:04.14 | jaromil | yea |
| 20:04.20 | jaromil | i just finished pushing and removing |
| 20:04.56 | jaromil | new page is uploading |
| 20:05.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | congrats for RC btw :-) |
| 20:05.53 | KatolaZ | jaromil ringraziare #devuan, #debianfork, dev1galaxy |
| 20:05.57 | KatolaZ | ops |
| 20:10.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | golinux is reboot-happy today :-) |
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| 20:13.42 | jaromil | new version of website up |
| 20:13.48 | jaromil | ok off to the devmeeting |
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| 20:22.31 | aitor | hi |
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| 20:24.03 | HoloIRCUser6 | O/ |
| 20:30.23 | aitor | i still have an issue with simple-netaid |
| 20:31.07 | aitor | modal/non-modal dialog... |
| 20:31.48 | aitor | it's not an easy issue... |
| 20:33.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | slightly garbled (<br>, missing/broken image): http://susepaste.org/30852237 https://devuan.org/os/outreach |
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| 20:38.28 | jaromil | i see that thanks |
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| 20:54.09 | jaromil | fixed |
| 20:54.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | should I fix topic? |
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| 20:55.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | F U Konversation! |
| 20:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: shall I fix the topic? |
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| 20:56.33 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> Recent (2017-04-12): RC1 ** https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
| 20:56.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | like this? |
| 20:58.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think no other link than to https://devuan.org/ needed for that |
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| 21:00.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
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| 21:00.28 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> Recent (2017-04-12): Jessie 1.0 RC ** https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 21:09.48 | MinceR | is there an official announcement of RC1? (mailing list or something) |
| 21:10.50 | KatolaZ | not there yet |
| 21:10.59 | MinceR | :) |
| 21:11.15 | KatolaZ | not announced yet |
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| 22:00.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | sneaker release ;-) |
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| 22:39.03 | MinceR | stealth release |
| 22:39.22 | Stealth | oh well |
| 22:39.27 | MinceR | lol |
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