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07:54.46 | AntoFox | o/ |
07:54.57 | AntoFox | just for desktop users |
07:55.11 | AntoFox | whe use openoffice or libreoffice? |
07:57.57 | gnarface | libreoffice, AntoFox |
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08:20.20 | aitor | Oracle (after buying Sun Microsystems) delivered the code of openoffice to Apache |
08:20.26 | aitor | from now: Apache OpenOffice.org |
08:23.40 | aitor | the future of mySql remains to be seen |
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11:41.16 | RilloBiley | hello |
11:42.23 | RilloBiley | could you please fix icoutils in the repository, so that I don't have to learn to compile things? |
11:42.44 | RilloBiley | in fact if there's a feedback form on the devuan website then I'll use that |
11:43.49 | RilloBiley | there is not :( |
11:44.05 | RilloBiley | reminds me of AntiX |
11:44.35 | buZz | RilloBiley: https://devuan.org/os/issues |
11:44.41 | RilloBiley | "join the forums" (or you're on your own) - at least this OS has a somewhat active IRC channel |
11:45.06 | buZz | you might want to try wording what the actual issue is though ;) instead of 'please fix' |
11:45.36 | RilloBiley | Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? |
11:45.53 | RilloBiley | that's good advice actually, I'll try --fix-missing |
11:46.06 | buZz | installs fine here |
11:46.16 | buZz | maybe run apt-get update |
11:46.32 | RilloBiley | it... looks like it worked! :D |
11:46.40 | RilloBiley | now I can have playonlinux |
11:46.48 | RilloBiley | now I can have precious video games.. |
11:46.48 | buZz | heh, next time read errormsgs ;) |
11:46.53 | RilloBiley | Civ II!! |
11:47.31 | RilloBiley | there is something else I want to do - change the laptop's fan speed according to my own preferences |
11:47.43 | RilloBiley | this is because the graphics card heats up, but the laptop's fan does not react to it |
11:47.49 | RilloBiley | so it overheats and switches off |
11:48.09 | RilloBiley | I could read through a dozen documents I've bookmarked, but if there's an easier way than I wouldn't mind if you told me |
11:48.26 | RilloBiley | then* |
11:48.43 | djph | RilloBiley: what make of laptop? |
11:49.27 | RilloBiley | Toshiba L300D (not L300~ L300 is the intel equivalent, this is AMD) |
11:49.54 | RilloBiley | it has 3200 onboard, M780G or something like that |
11:51.27 | RilloBiley | specifically it's the L300D-13S, but most L300D use the HD3200 |
11:51.48 | RilloBiley | a minority of the low-end models used x1250 or something like that |
11:52.19 | RilloBiley | it would be better in a way, in that the x1250 doesn't get as hot |
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12:18.50 | RilloBiley | now I'm getting "PlayOnLinux is unable to find the 32bit OpenGL libraries." |
12:19.10 | RilloBiley | libgl1-mesa-glx is already installed though |
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12:28.04 | djph | RilloBiley: I think the fancontrol package will help sort that out |
12:28.31 | RilloBiley | I tried following post #2 from http://askubuntu.com/questions/22108/how-to-control-fan-speed |
12:29.19 | RilloBiley | I get "There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed" like some others in the thread |
12:29.41 | RilloBiley | in addition, fancontrol package is already installed |
12:29.56 | RilloBiley | is there a settings file for that, which I'm supposed to edit? |
12:33.14 | debdog | <RilloBiley> now I'm getting "PlayOnLinux is unable to find the 32bit OpenGL libraries." -- you prolly have to enable multiarch and install 32bit packages https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO#Usage |
12:36.36 | RilloBiley | are the commands the same in that guide for devuan? |
12:38.22 | debdog | should⢠be, yes |
12:39.57 | gnarface | RilloBiley: i think you might need to run sensors-detect to get pwm-capable sensors running. (it's also possible for them to be disabled in the bios) |
12:40.13 | RilloBiley | I have ran sensors-detect |
12:40.23 | RilloBiley | I do not believe that I would disable them in the bios |
12:40.34 | gnarface | on my asus board, they weren't enabled by default i don't think |
12:40.42 | gnarface | not for all the case fans |
12:40.54 | RilloBiley | well, my laptop only has one fan |
12:40.58 | gnarface | (because the connectors make PWM-capable fans optional, and i guess there's no safe way to auto-detect) |
12:41.07 | RilloBiley | and I can't see myself disabling PWM for it, seeing as it allows for more accurate fan control |
12:41.17 | gnarface | if it's a laptop, they're probably on by default |
12:41.41 | RilloBiley | either it's so old it doesn't have it even for the CPU fan, or it does and it is just not working properly |
12:41.57 | gnarface | i'd give it 50/50 odds |
12:42.14 | gnarface | lm-sensors seems to have been abandoned in frustration |
12:42.22 | RilloBiley | once I've played around with the 32-bit problem, I'll restart and have a look in the bios |
12:42.45 | gnarface | yea multi-arch is definitely off by default |
12:42.50 | RilloBiley | I get the feeling that PWM fan control is already working though |
12:43.02 | gnarface | if you hear the fan speed change, it probably is |
12:43.05 | RilloBiley | it's just while the CPU doesn't go above 66*C, the GPU is skyrocketing |
12:43.14 | RilloBiley | and the laptop's fan doesn't react to that |
12:43.27 | gnarface | hmm. gpu fan might be controlled by the video driver... |
12:43.40 | gnarface | also ... uh sometimes might require acpid |
12:43.43 | gnarface | you have acpi installed, right? |
12:43.48 | RilloBiley | at least I think that is what's happening. There also appears to be no temp sensor for the GPU |
12:43.55 | RilloBiley | even though it has a safety shutdown which is triggered |
12:44.07 | RilloBiley | yeah I think so |
12:44.10 | gnarface | what is the video hardware? |
12:44.22 | RilloBiley | AMD HD3200 mobile |
12:44.29 | RilloBiley | 780RS chipset? |
12:44.37 | gnarface | i'm not familiar with it |
12:44.50 | RilloBiley | it's well supported as a desktop graphics card (780G) |
12:44.53 | gnarface | i know there's been a lot of changes in their drivers |
12:44.54 | RilloBiley | the 780RS less so |
12:45.17 | RilloBiley | the bios software by toshiba is a bastard |
12:45.23 | gnarface | yea, it is |
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12:46.01 | RilloBiley | the laptop's ram modules have a flexing problem too |
12:46.20 | RilloBiley | I had windows 8 installed, and the flexing problem corrupted it's wireless drivers |
12:46.27 | RilloBiley | so for the windows installation I have no internet now |
12:47.09 | RilloBiley | I opened the thing up and bent the metal clamps to tighten them up - it's alright now |
12:48.55 | RilloBiley | ideally I'd like one piece of software which tells me the current gpu temp and lets me alter what the fan does |
12:49.20 | RilloBiley | under windows it was cputemp+speedfan |
12:49.51 | RilloBiley | I ran dpkg --add-architecture i386 followed by apt-get update |
12:50.05 | RilloBiley | but I'm not seeing libgl1-i386 in the repos |
12:51.26 | gnarface | add ":i386" to the 64-bit package name |
12:51.49 | RilloBiley | just did :) |
12:52.00 | RilloBiley | I'm gonna apt-get update again for good measure |
12:52.05 | RilloBiley | then try playonlinux again |
12:52.44 | RilloBiley | boom. no errors! |
12:53.34 | RilloBiley | devuan is fast becoming ComfyOS⢠|
12:53.55 | RilloBiley | it started off more like Arch (massive pain in my ass) |
12:54.50 | RilloBiley | but I got pale moon installed, I got veracrypt installed, I got icoutils installed, and I should have playonlinux working soon too |
12:55.21 | RilloBiley | the list of problems is becoming less and less |
12:56.13 | gnarface | hmmm |
12:56.43 | gnarface | the fan/temp issue is important to check up on though |
12:57.03 | gnarface | i wonder if you need laptop-mode-tools or something like that |
12:57.10 | RilloBiley | already installed that too |
12:57.14 | gnarface | oh |
12:57.30 | RilloBiley | I grabbed everything sensor related |
12:58.03 | gnarface | double-check acpi is installed and running |
12:58.22 | RilloBiley | k |
12:58.58 | gnarface | with the video card, it might just be a driver issue though. do you know which amd driver you're using? there's more of them now. |
12:59.44 | RilloBiley | I think because my chipset is old, it's not running anything too fancy that's come out recently |
13:00.04 | RilloBiley | I can say synaptic says acpi is installed, but the last task manager I checked did not list acpi |
13:00.27 | RilloBiley | ahh, it's coming up in this one |
13:00.57 | RilloBiley | acpi_fakekeyd and acpid are there |
13:01.16 | gnarface | ok |
13:01.41 | RilloBiley | none just called "acpi", don't know what that is about |
13:03.01 | gnarface | that's fine |
13:03.04 | gnarface | acpid is the one you want |
13:03.15 | RilloBiley | I found something else interesting, while looking at it |
13:03.34 | RilloBiley | fnfxd:i386 - "ACPI and hotkey daemon for Toshiba laptops" |
13:03.40 | RilloBiley | my hotkeys do not work atm |
13:03.45 | RilloBiley | reckon this will fix that? |
13:06.29 | gnarface | hahah |
13:06.34 | gnarface | maybe |
13:06.44 | gnarface | honestly not sure yours is old enough |
13:06.46 | gnarface | but worth a try |
13:07.57 | RilloBiley | I do not have kacpimon either |
13:08.18 | gnarface | guessing by the name that would only be for kde? |
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13:09.05 | RilloBiley | hmm |
13:09.15 | RilloBiley | well, the brightness hotkeys still aren't doing anything |
13:09.21 | RilloBiley | stuck on 100% all the time |
13:09.25 | gnarface | also, i thought that the fancontrol package was for NON-PWM fans only (which almost nothing actually uses anymore) |
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13:09.38 | RilloBiley | this laptop is fairly old |
13:10.01 | RilloBiley | I would have thought it's still pwm though |
13:10.21 | RilloBiley | I seem to remember seeing 4 wires when I opened it up |
13:10.32 | gnarface | that fnfxd i think worked for my pentium2 era toshiba satellite pro, but it didn't map the buttons all correctly. some are missing some are wrong, and i think at least one was added that wasn't supposed to be there |
13:11.03 | gnarface | if it has more than 2 wires it's definitely a PWM fan controlled |
13:11.32 | RilloBiley | three wires was PCM, not PWM or something |
13:11.33 | gnarface | pwm-controlled fan i mean |
13:11.39 | RilloBiley | this has four anyway |
13:11.49 | gnarface | 3 wires is PWM, the fourth wire is a temperature sensor |
13:12.10 | gnarface | PWM doesn't always imply the temperature sensor is IN the fan |
13:12.15 | gnarface | but if you have 4 wires it is |
13:12.17 | RilloBiley | ohh right |
13:13.13 | gnarface | with 2-wires, mostly they just didn't change speeds, but early laptops would do voltage control. i thought *that* is what the 'fancontrol' package was for; for 2-wire fans that need DC voltage changes to control speed |
13:13.35 | gnarface | i'm not sure, but it's possible it could even get in the way |
13:17.29 | RilloBiley | well, I've still got no fan control or hotkeys |
13:18.06 | gnarface | which video driver did you say you were using? |
13:18.14 | gnarface | amdgpu or... ? |
13:18.25 | RilloBiley | how do I check? |
13:18.32 | gnarface | the Xorg log |
13:18.46 | gnarface | <PROTECTED> |
13:19.16 | gnarface | this is jessie you're on? |
13:19.32 | RilloBiley | yeah, it'll be stable |
13:19.42 | gnarface | i wonder if the kernel is too old |
13:19.50 | gnarface | like i said, there's been a lot of action on the AMD drivers lately |
13:20.15 | gnarface | for an AMD card you might be better off with the backported mesa and kernel versions |
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13:21.06 | RilloBiley | the log is pretty extensive |
13:21.40 | gnarface | paste.debian.net |
13:21.48 | gnarface | i'll look at it for you |
13:23.43 | RilloBiley | https://www.pastiebin.com/58ea35d5829ee |
13:23.56 | gnarface | please, use the other one |
13:24.02 | gnarface | or pastebin |
13:24.15 | gnarface | i don't have time to validate every single new stupid pastebin clone that appears |
13:24.20 | AlexLikeRock | yes, pastebin FAIL at GNU-linux |
13:25.08 | gnarface | it's mostly just that i decided i wasn't gonna click on any strange domains today |
13:28.32 | RilloBiley | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/9c175b54/ |
13:28.49 | RilloBiley | funny, I avoid the common ones because I don't trust *those* |
13:29.22 | RilloBiley | too many allahu ackbars use the common sorts, such that governments are interested in them for data collection |
13:29.46 | gnarface | line 2531 |
13:30.07 | gnarface | that's the first thing i'm certain is a real problem |
13:31.16 | RilloBiley | I do not know anything about this, never seen it before |
13:31.38 | gnarface | you want to pay attention especially to any line with (EE) on it |
13:31.50 | gnarface | note lines 342 and 344 |
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13:31.58 | gnarface | i think you might need that to work |
13:32.25 | gnarface | they might be the cause of the error on line 2531 |
13:32.37 | gnarface | driver loads, can't access device, falls back to software |
13:33.22 | gnarface | but it says no such file or directory |
13:33.33 | gnarface | suggesting... uh |
13:33.37 | gnarface | kernel module didn't load? |
13:34.07 | gnarface | or something |
13:34.17 | gnarface | maybe udev isn't installed or running? |
13:34.28 | gnarface | seems like more would break if that was the case though... |
13:35.20 | RilloBiley | yes, there is a kernel module that does not load I think |
13:35.23 | RilloBiley | but I do not want it |
13:35.58 | RilloBiley | something like proprietary microcode |
13:36.05 | RilloBiley | firmware |
13:36.06 | RilloBiley | idk |
13:36.19 | RilloBiley | the heat problem may be solved by installing whatever it is |
13:36.25 | RilloBiley | but instead, what I want to do is control the fan speed |
13:39.43 | gnarface | well, uh in /sys |
13:39.59 | gnarface | i think there would be fan speed files you can use to change/check settings |
13:40.04 | gnarface | i am not sure where |
13:40.34 | RilloBiley | which module might this be under? |
13:41.01 | gnarface | :( sorry i got no idea |
13:41.14 | gnarface | i mean you might just be missing a package, i've got nvidia cards here... |
13:41.24 | gnarface | here's what i think you should try |
13:41.29 | gnarface | first you should try the backport kernel |
13:41.39 | gnarface | (and mesa, i think maybe even also the xorg if there is one) |
13:41.43 | RilloBiley | that sounds intense |
13:41.48 | gnarface | probably easy |
13:42.01 | RilloBiley | if I restart the pc and pay attention, I can tell you which thing I am missing |
13:42.19 | RilloBiley | but because it's proprietary and non-maintained, I wish to avoid it |
13:42.25 | gnarface | wait |
13:42.33 | gnarface | run "dmesg" |
13:44.08 | RilloBiley | there is a lot of dodgy looking stuff in there |
13:45.05 | gnarface | do you have this package? libdrm-radeon1 |
13:45.59 | RilloBiley | for some reason I have intel1 installed... huh |
13:45.59 | gnarface | maybe run this command and look to see if you're missing anything that looks important: apt-cache search radeon |
13:46.09 | RilloBiley | yes, I have radeon1 |
13:46.33 | gnarface | i assume you have xserver-xorg-video-radeon too right |
13:47.40 | RilloBiley | I will check |
13:47.44 | RilloBiley | this is dmsg: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/0617beee/ |
13:48.09 | RilloBiley | yes I have xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
13:48.37 | RilloBiley | ctrl+f R600 may help find the issue I was telling about, regarding proprietary microcode |
13:50.34 | RilloBiley | this is the result of apt-cache search radeon http://paste.debian.net/hidden/6e232d46/ |
13:51.08 | gnarface | i didn't need to see the last one |
13:51.32 | gnarface | but do you have those installed? |
13:51.54 | RilloBiley | I don't know what you're asking me |
13:52.02 | RilloBiley | I thought the list was "stuff I have installed" |
13:52.15 | RilloBiley | I will check each of them |
13:52.17 | gnarface | no |
13:52.21 | gnarface | that is the list of stuff in the repo |
13:52.50 | RilloBiley | I don't think I have radeon1-dbg |
13:53.05 | gnarface | ignore packages named with *-dbg |
13:53.09 | gnarface | those are the debugging versions |
13:53.20 | gnarface | well, install it if you want to actually participate in debugging |
13:54.21 | RilloBiley | probably not, I'm not very software-literate |
13:54.29 | gnarface | it's ok |
13:54.31 | RilloBiley | I turn screws more than variables |
13:55.49 | gnarface | ok |
13:56.11 | gnarface | so the backport kernel i mentioned earlier, would be a NEWER kernel |
13:56.13 | RilloBiley | all the stuff is there, barring debug |
13:56.22 | RilloBiley | wut? |
13:56.30 | RilloBiley | backport = newer? |
13:56.34 | RilloBiley | how does that come about? |
13:56.54 | gnarface | can't guarantee compatibility anymore with out-of-distro software |
13:57.09 | gnarface | usually exists to fix these types of bugs though |
13:57.25 | gnarface | you can safely install it without un-installing the old kernel |
13:57.28 | gnarface | it becomes another boot option |
13:57.55 | gnarface | you could install it to test this hypothesis |
13:58.15 | gnarface | but you might just really need the non-free firmware |
13:59.11 | gnarface | hmm. speaking of firmware... you have firmware-linux-free installed, right? |
13:59.19 | RilloBiley | yes I believe so |
13:59.40 | RilloBiley | ... |
13:59.48 | RilloBiley | synaptic says it is not installed |
14:00.07 | RilloBiley | even though I'm sure the bootlog said "switching to firmware-linux-free..." |
14:00.07 | gnarface | though, line 715 of the dmesg output specifically does say [ 15.218983] [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later requires firmware-linux-nonfree. |
14:00.21 | RilloBiley | I'll install it and see what happens |
14:00.40 | gnarface | oh it'll probably work once you install all the missing mesa packages :) |
14:01.04 | gnarface | but yea, i thought you had an ethical complaint against using firmware-linux-nonfree |
14:01.17 | RilloBiley | I have now installed firmware-linux-free |
14:01.33 | RilloBiley | I have avoided non-free |
14:01.40 | gnarface | firmware-linux-free it probably won't help at all, but won't hurt either |
14:01.41 | RilloBiley | it is not just unethical, it is a vulnerability |
14:01.53 | gnarface | oh i don't fault you for avoiding it |
14:02.10 | gnarface | but if you want certain features to work for certain hardware there is often no other way |
14:02.19 | RilloBiley | it's all working great, tbh |
14:02.47 | gnarface | do keep in mind the backport kernel |
14:02.50 | gnarface | it's also worth a try |
14:02.52 | RilloBiley | the screen resolution report is inaccurate (it's at full res already, but says it is not), the brightness hotkeys do nothing, and the GPU overheats on youtube videos |
14:03.01 | gnarface | you might actually need it and the newer mesa for some current games actually |
14:03.22 | RilloBiley | I actually tried 0AD |
14:03.33 | gnarface | the outboard connector probably has a higher res than the panel |
14:03.40 | RilloBiley | the game works about as well as I would expect it to on severely underpowered hardware |
14:03.54 | RilloBiley | 10fps |
14:04.09 | gnarface | yea it should probably be able to do better than that |
14:04.43 | gnarface | well i dunno |
14:05.19 | gnarface | honestly, you may need that non-free firmware for proper fan control |
14:06.08 | RilloBiley | I think lacking it means that I'm missing the hardware codecs for video playback |
14:06.18 | RilloBiley | or something similar to it |
14:06.27 | gnarface | yes, this is also probably true |
14:06.36 | RilloBiley | which means that youtube throttles the gpu, and the laptop's fan is controlled via cpu only |
14:06.55 | Artemis3 | what gpu is this? |
14:07.21 | RilloBiley | HD3200, 780RS/SB700 |
14:08.18 | RilloBiley | because I don't want firmware-nonfree, the only other solution is not to solve the throttling, but to ramp the laptop's fan up to cope with it |
14:09.05 | gnarface | tough decision |
14:09.27 | gnarface | for servers i would avoid non-free |
14:09.33 | gnarface | for laptops you sorta need it sometimes |
14:09.40 | gnarface | for servers i would avoid this type of hardware |
14:09.49 | Artemis3 | it depends on the hardware, if you pick the wrong one you have to use non free |
14:10.03 | RilloBiley | it works great without it - or, I say "great" |
14:10.08 | RilloBiley | it works surprisingly well |
14:10.32 | gnarface | 9000 might seem like a lot for glxgears but you should be getting a lot more i think |
14:11.02 | gnarface | what cpu is that? |
14:11.16 | RilloBiley | I think it's some sort of Turion X2 2300Mhz |
14:11.26 | gnarface | heh, neat |
14:11.41 | gnarface | you can check this: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
14:12.15 | RilloBiley | AMD Turion(tm) X2 Ultra Dual-Core Mobile ZM-84 |
14:12.27 | RilloBiley | "ultra" (overheating) |
14:12.59 | Artemis3 | you might need a newer kernel/xorg but that gpu seems to be supported fine in the radeon driver also there is cpu microcode "updates" in nonfree |
14:13.31 | RilloBiley | I don't think I have any non-free software on here, regarding above bios level |
14:13.43 | RilloBiley | below bios level there is no librecore support for this laptop |
14:13.44 | Artemis3 | "amd64-microcode" |
14:13.49 | RilloBiley | it could be done, but it's so old that it's not really worth it |
14:13.57 | gnarface | if that cpu has more than one speed you can also likely change the cpu frequency and governor in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ and /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/ |
14:14.26 | RilloBiley | I believe cpu frequency changes are being handled correctly |
14:14.30 | Artemis3 | thats the package name RilloBiley |
14:14.35 | RilloBiley | it drops to 500MHz on idle |
14:15.05 | RilloBiley | no packages come up in synaptic for amd64-microcode |
14:15.08 | RilloBiley | it must be non-free? |
14:15.11 | Artemis3 | yes |
14:15.14 | Artemis3 | i told you |
14:15.23 | RilloBiley | well, it looks like I can avoid that too |
14:15.27 | RilloBiley | everything works |
14:15.31 | gnarface | ah yes, i forgot about amd64-microcode, you want that probably |
14:15.39 | gnarface | you want it too, probably |
14:15.50 | RilloBiley | I've been able to avoid it, though |
14:16.04 | gnarface | in some cases it might help performance or stability |
14:16.05 | RilloBiley | encyption and virtual machines are operational |
14:16.18 | RilloBiley | so is cpu speed control |
14:16.22 | Artemis3 | if you want true pureness you have to go another architecture, perhaps yeeloong or something |
14:16.40 | Artemis3 | or deal with overheating, bugs, etc |
14:16.58 | Artemis3 | even intel has microcode |
14:17.09 | RilloBiley | it has microcode on a bios level that I can do nothing about |
14:17.17 | RilloBiley | above that, I do not appear to need the non-free stuff |
14:17.17 | Artemis3 | opencore? |
14:17.48 | RilloBiley | yes although my chipset on desktops is well supported in libreboot (librecore), 780RS is the mobile version |
14:17.55 | RilloBiley | and to my knowledge no one has done that work yet |
14:18.13 | RilloBiley | also, it's not worth doing on this. It only has vga ports (no hdmi) and it's not really worth trying |
14:18.28 | Artemis3 | HD3200 is fine |
14:18.57 | Artemis3 | but don't expect playing steam games anytime soon |
14:19.02 | RilloBiley | :( |
14:19.15 | RilloBiley | tux kart will run, but I think I'm losing fps |
14:19.23 | RilloBiley | possibly because devuan's repos have an older version |
14:19.31 | RilloBiley | possibly because I've not installed the non-free stuff |
14:20.51 | gnarface | yea more complex stuff like tux card will have a much heavier opengl rendering load than glxgears, it would show performance issues more apparently, that's expected |
14:21.06 | RilloBiley | it can't be more than 5fps |
14:21.25 | RilloBiley | this hardware is already underpowered, however |
14:21.32 | RilloBiley | it starts to get clip-showy |
14:21.43 | RilloBiley | also, did I mention it overheats? |
14:21.52 | gnarface | i really think the firmware will help the heat issue |
14:22.01 | gnarface | it's probably worth mentioning it'll help your battery life too |
14:22.06 | RilloBiley | I just want to ramp up the fan instead |
14:22.30 | RilloBiley | battery life would be helped somewhat if the brightness buttons worked |
14:22.59 | gnarface | one of those radeon packages i suggested you try, it specifically said it was for controlling the display backlight didn't it? |
14:23.00 | RilloBiley | also as long as I'm just doing office stuff, the gpu behaves as it should |
14:23.11 | gnarface | that is also expected |
14:23.30 | RilloBiley | which one was it? I think I have it (except debug options) |
14:23.46 | gnarface | you're primarily gonna see probablems when playing video or rendering any opengl |
14:23.51 | RilloBiley | yep! |
14:26.27 | Artemis3 | did you open it and cleaned it? |
14:26.38 | RilloBiley | I've done everything short of cpu lapping |
14:26.51 | Artemis3 | also switch the governor to powersave |
14:26.57 | RilloBiley | new paste, built a little duct out of aluminium tape |
14:27.08 | Artemis3 | let it always work at slow speeds |
14:27.14 | RilloBiley | what do you mean? |
14:27.39 | Artemis3 | cpufreq-set -r -g powersave |
14:27.45 | Artemis3 | that xD |
14:28.01 | RilloBiley | are you sure this won't disable my 2300MHz and get it stuck at 500? |
14:28.23 | RilloBiley | it's already working dynamically, I think |
14:28.25 | Artemis3 | yes it will do that, never to overheat again xD, you could do something else if you don't like that |
14:28.28 | gnarface | i thought powersave was the default |
14:28.28 | RilloBiley | task manager will say |
14:28.38 | gnarface | ondemand might be the default |
14:29.01 | RilloBiley | the problem is not cpu |
14:29.17 | RilloBiley | I have a temperature monitor, which I've continued to observe while playing youtube videos and the like |
14:29.21 | Artemis3 | you could use -u max freq |
14:29.28 | RilloBiley | 66-68*C is well within acceptable range |
14:29.40 | RilloBiley | it is the GPU which I am both unable to monitor and which I think is causing the throttiling |
14:29.48 | RilloBiley | until i get random shutdown |
14:30.36 | RilloBiley | if I could set that to a slightly lesser clock speed, and/or ramp the laptop's fan speed up, I could handle the temps |
14:30.57 | RilloBiley | so what I come here to ask about was manual control of the laptop's fan |
14:31.03 | Artemis3 | ie. cpufreq-set -r -g ondemand -u 2 or such |
14:31.16 | Artemis3 | you need to cpufreq-info to see what frequencies it supports |
14:31.22 | RilloBiley | even if I can only set it according to cpu, if I set it to massively ramp up at say 56*C, that should keep the GPU in check |
14:32.51 | RilloBiley | "command not found" for cpufreq-info |
14:32.54 | Artemis3 | then do unplug the control wire |
14:33.32 | RilloBiley | I don't think I'll like the sound of that (literally) |
14:33.33 | Artemis3 | Package cpufrequtils |
14:33.46 | Artemis3 | meh, it just forces the fan to 100% |
14:34.21 | RilloBiley | I can't guarantee it'll react that way either - it could give me error messages and problems |
14:34.27 | RilloBiley | it expects there to be a wire for temp control |
14:34.31 | RilloBiley | besides, for cpu it is working |
14:34.35 | RilloBiley | gpu it ignores |
14:34.37 | Artemis3 | fans only need 2 wires, the 3rd is usually rpm and 4th is control |
14:35.01 | RilloBiley | I had a hewett packard machine that not only needed the fan installed, but could tell if it was non-OEM and bitched until you put the OEM one back in |
14:35.05 | Artemis3 | if your 3rd wire does both it doesnt matter to unplug it |
14:35.23 | Artemis3 | it ill simply not report rpm, hope the bios doesn't get picky xD |
14:35.30 | gnarface | that will DEFINITELY void the warranty :) |
14:35.34 | Artemis3 | lol |
14:35.52 | RilloBiley | hardware limits: 575 MHz - 2.30 GHz available frequency steps: 2.30 GHz, 1.15 GHz, 575 MHz |
14:36.03 | RilloBiley | so far as I'm aware, this cpu feature works correctly |
14:36.06 | RilloBiley | gpu is my problem |
14:36.18 | Artemis3 | some brands did move the control/report wire around for some reason |
14:36.26 | Artemis3 | and there is another with 5 wires lol |
14:36.41 | Artemis3 | but at a minimun, the fans only need 2 wires + and - |
14:36.43 | RilloBiley | i could install a variable resistor to the fan wires, if I was interested in such an intense hardware mod :) |
14:36.59 | RilloBiley | I'd have to drill a hole in the laptop and have a little dial |
14:37.02 | Artemis3 | the voltage according to the fan ofc, 5v or 7v or 12v usually |
14:37.11 | RilloBiley | I can only imagine going through an airport with these kinds of mods |
14:37.12 | Artemis3 | in laptops... perhaps 3.3v? |
14:37.31 | Artemis3 | its just a lose wire its not like anyone notices |
14:38.26 | Artemis3 | knowing the wimpy nature of laptop fan, its probably not worth it |
14:38.28 | RilloBiley | I think it looks dodgy |
14:38.36 | Artemis3 | any i have a netbook which is basically on/off |
14:38.40 | RilloBiley | this laptop is already held together with duct tape |
14:38.40 | Artemis3 | the fan that is |
14:39.13 | Artemis3 | cold = 0 rpm, on = 1600ish rpm, thats it, probably has no control wire at all |
14:39.26 | RilloBiley | mine is not quite a jet engine, but at 100% it's a little irritating |
14:40.26 | RilloBiley | "cpufreq stats: 2.30 GHz:45.27%, 1.15 GHz:12.39%, 575 MHz:42.34% (780)" |
14:40.36 | RilloBiley | I spend 42% of the time at 575 MHz |
14:40.42 | Artemis3 | ok you can use 1.15 then? |
14:41.01 | RilloBiley | it's that happy middle, that's not really used for anything because you either want full power or you don't |
14:41.14 | Artemis3 | use -u (ie top speed) |
14:41.24 | Artemis3 | not -f xD |
14:41.34 | Artemis3 | -f is forced at that freq |
14:41.37 | RilloBiley | I don't want to nerf the cpu speed |
14:41.46 | buZz | why not |
14:41.55 | Artemis3 | ok you want everything but are willing to give nothing? |
14:41.57 | RilloBiley | I want to ramp up the fan every time the temp goes above 55*C |
14:42.03 | Artemis3 | buy a new laptop :P |
14:42.09 | buZz | thinkpads are nice |
14:42.11 | RilloBiley | I want the cpu fan to spin faster |
14:42.16 | RilloBiley | I have thinkpads |
14:42.24 | buZz | seems all other laptop builders are lacking , next to real thinkpads :) |
14:42.24 | RilloBiley | they are mothballed until I have the time to install librecore |
14:42.53 | Artemis3 | modern lenovos are bad by design, saw one break only because the lid was opened |
14:43.00 | RilloBiley | just give me manual control of the laptop fan |
14:43.05 | buZz | yeah most lenovos arent thinkpads |
14:43.12 | RilloBiley | if I can control it and ramp it up, I don't need non-free |
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14:43.29 | RilloBiley | heh sounds like my L300D |
14:43.35 | Artemis3 | assuming non-free is going to help at all |
14:43.41 | RilloBiley | the flexing problem of the ram modules is uncommon... but *mine* has it |
14:43.42 | RilloBiley | :( |
14:43.51 | Artemis3 | eww |
14:43.55 | RilloBiley | I know |
14:43.55 | gnarface | Artemis3: his dmesg output specifically requests firmware-linux-nonfree |
14:44.24 | buZz | maybe install that then? |
14:44.27 | Artemis3 | oh this is a waste of time, enable non-free and check temps, it might not help or it might, you have to find out for yourself |
14:44.39 | RilloBiley | do not want |
14:44.43 | buZz | k |
14:44.43 | Artemis3 | -_- |
14:44.45 | buZz | enjoy :P |
14:44.50 | RilloBiley | I want to control fan speeds |
14:45.00 | RilloBiley | instead of installing genital warts |
14:45.13 | gnarface | RilloBiley: the problem is there's no way to change the fan otherwise, not without hacking the hardware yourself, it's the work just isn't done |
14:45.17 | RilloBiley | well, that's an unfair comparison, but.. it's still garbage |
14:45.48 | RilloBiley | but the fan control is already working, according to CPU temperature values |
14:46.01 | RilloBiley | it's just I'm not sure the toshiba bios has much utility for changing it |
14:46.07 | buZz | most laptops arent made for gaming |
14:46.12 | buZz | and even the 'gaming laptops' suck at it |
14:46.14 | buZz | big time |
14:46.18 | RilloBiley | this one is not made for youtube 360p, either |
14:46.33 | RilloBiley | most consoles are based on laptop technology |
14:46.45 | buZz | RilloBiley: well |
14:46.48 | buZz | that laptop is 10 years old |
14:46.53 | RilloBiley | "suck at it big time" ~ Bill Gates, Microsoft Scorpio |
14:46.55 | buZz | maybe just consider it old and move on |
14:46.57 | Artemis3 | you are probably wrong there, have you tried opening the yt link using smplayer? |
14:47.10 | RilloBiley | to be fair no I've not |
14:47.27 | RilloBiley | but I really don't trust this laptop with video playback unless I can ramp the fan speed up |
14:47.32 | buZz | -10 years old- |
14:47.45 | Artemis3 | its cpu bound most likely |
14:48.07 | RilloBiley | well, if I can tie it to 55*C on the cpu, I can control the gpu temp that way |
14:48.15 | RilloBiley | because the same fan/heatsink combination is used for both |
14:48.35 | buZz | tried cleaning the heatsinks yet? |
14:48.40 | buZz | if your issue is overheating |
14:48.43 | Artemis3 | my Asus Eeepc 701 4g surf works just fine to this day, and yours make it look modern xD |
14:48.55 | buZz | 10 year old laptops accumulate a LOT of garbage inside the heatsinks if you dont clean it |
14:48.59 | Artemis3 | and thats an... underclocked pentium m |
14:49.06 | RilloBiley | you're a laptop-model racist |
14:49.10 | buZz | isnt it celeron m? |
14:49.12 | RilloBiley | an eee bigot |
14:49.16 | Artemis3 | or that yeah xD |
14:49.19 | buZz | i have a couple eee701's |
14:49.26 | buZz | they are awesome |
14:49.28 | RilloBiley | just because mine is old and speaks a the japanese |
14:49.49 | RilloBiley | asus is taiwan, I think |
14:49.57 | buZz | RilloBiley: so, you never ever cleaned it? |
14:50.38 | RilloBiley | I have cleaned it, I have fitted arctic cooling MX2 (or something else I forget), I have made a little shroud for it out of aluminum tape so that the air is concentrated on the heatsink and not in the rest of the case |
14:50.48 | RilloBiley | the next step for me involves lapping the heatsink to a mirror finish |
14:51.05 | RilloBiley | I don't fancy it, because the nature of these laptop heatsinks is that they are asymmetrical and unbalanced |
14:51.18 | RilloBiley | so you'd need to make your own little jig to ensure that the lapping is flat |
14:51.31 | buZz | lol |
14:51.43 | buZz | maybe just not spend so much time playing with relic hardawre |
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14:52.17 | buZz | or just consider it old and not look at performance with 10 years difference :P |
14:52.27 | RilloBiley | some people finance a new car every 2 years and some people drive theirs that were made in 1981 |
14:52.49 | buZz | sure, do you think ppl judge 1981 cars by fuel efficiency of current models? |
14:52.59 | RilloBiley | the problem is overheating, under "regular" conditions (that is to say that windows can manage video playback on the same hardware) |
14:53.00 | buZz | OR would they just know its a old car and wont ever perform bette? |
14:53.01 | Artemis3 | maybe something here can help you, ymmv have fun RilloBiley : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/fan_speed_control |
14:53.15 | aaro | RilloBiley: the fan works at all or not? |
14:53.28 | RilloBiley | yes, it works - it's tied to cpu speed |
14:53.36 | RilloBiley | gpu gets ignored, overheats, shuts down |
14:54.47 | RilloBiley | I have already bookmarked (and read) that particular guide |
14:54.55 | RilloBiley | I didn't really know what to do with it though |
14:54.56 | aaro | RilloBiley: i own a toshiba laptop and had to set some kernel boot option for my fan start working and stop overheating |
14:55.15 | RilloBiley | what should I look at? |
14:55.42 | aaro | wait let me check what it was |
14:56.07 | RilloBiley | can i at least fix the brightness hotkeys without using non-free? |
14:56.48 | gnarface | you can try |
14:57.00 | gnarface | it was one of those packages that was listed with apt-cache search radeon |
14:57.04 | gnarface | i suggested you try it |
14:57.08 | RilloBiley | which one? |
14:57.14 | gnarface | i forget |
14:57.18 | RilloBiley | I am sure too, that it's already installed |
14:57.18 | gnarface | read the descriptions |
14:57.21 | RilloBiley | I will check them all again |
14:57.21 | gnarface | they're listed right there |
14:57.36 | gnarface | then when you find it look in /usr/share/doc for a directory named the same as the package |
14:57.39 | RilloBiley | radeontool* |
14:57.41 | gnarface | there should be instructions |
14:57.46 | gnarface | there probably is also a man page |
14:57.57 | gnarface | (man [command], q to quit) |
14:59.09 | aaro | RilloBiley: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Common_Kernel_Options -> the 'acpi_osi=Linux' one |
15:00.25 | RilloBiley | I think radeontools only switches the screen on and off for screensaver options |
15:02.46 | RilloBiley | can I add this kernel option to grub and keep the old option? |
15:08.47 | RilloBiley | somebody published something interesting on gpu throttling: http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Rovclock |
15:09.57 | aaro | yes the option can be added and keep other options |
15:10.45 | RilloBiley | arch and thinkpad users have done much of this work already: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xrandr |
15:10.49 | RilloBiley | this is where I need to be looking |
15:11.07 | RilloBiley | I'm bookmarking this stuff, it's gold |
15:12.06 | RilloBiley | ok how do i set this up as a boot option? |
15:17.04 | aaro | RilloBiley: you got /etc/default/grub file? |
15:19.55 | RilloBiley | yes |
15:20.45 | RilloBiley | I might need to open it in terminal in order to have root privilege and edit it |
15:21.21 | RilloBiley | yes, can't edit it, might need to use vim |
15:22.18 | aaro | i got these couple lines there: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet acpi_osi=Linux" |
15:22.23 | RilloBiley | I forget how to edit text files in terminal |
15:22.38 | RilloBiley | I'm pretty sure I don't want it the default option |
15:22.41 | aaro | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=Linux" |
15:22.47 | RilloBiley | I have a safe mode I can probably use as template |
15:23.24 | RilloBiley | "permission denied" god damn it I'm root now! |
15:24.01 | aaro | you gotta run 'update-grub' after edit to apply |
15:28.11 | RilloBiley | I have "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet" GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="" |
15:28.37 | RilloBiley | I do not wish to change the default option, but rather add another one |
15:28.45 | RilloBiley | how is this done? |
15:28.49 | aaro | yeah i just added the acpi.. option there |
15:29.18 | RilloBiley | so just add this as an additional line? |
15:29.41 | aaro | just like the lines i paste |
15:30.00 | RilloBiley | to clarify: do I keep my lines and merely add yours beneath it? |
15:30.03 | RilloBiley | or do I edit mine? |
15:30.25 | aaro | edit them |
15:30.50 | aaro | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet acpi_osi=Linux" |
15:31.09 | aaro | GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="acpi_osi=Linux" |
15:31.31 | RilloBiley | and this will not get rid of my default options? |
15:31.42 | aaro | 'update-grub' after finished editing |
15:33.18 | aaro | afterwards if you don't want them just reverse to what you had ie remove acpi option and rerun update-grub and all stays the same |
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15:39.01 | grillon | hi there |
15:40.24 | RilloBiley | I'm going to call it a day for now |
15:40.44 | RilloBiley | I'll be running all sorts of fan speed/brightness/gpu throttling options the next time I mess with it |
15:41.05 | RilloBiley | I think I can get the graphics settings to a state where they work, without non-free |
15:41.59 | golinux | RilloBiley: It's been quite a marathon this morning. |
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15:42.24 | golinux | Hi grillon |
15:42.28 | RilloBiley | barely ran 3 miles m80 |
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15:42.53 | RilloBiley | it just reminds me of arch linux a lot |
15:43.33 | RilloBiley | every little thing, manually configured |
15:45.24 | aaro | i remember my latop suddenly power off by overheating every time i watched a video after reaching 100 C now with the fan working it doesn't get higher than 60-65 C |
15:47.56 | Xenguy | murr777: Welcome, I PM'd you, FYI |
15:48.14 | grillon | hi golinux |
15:51.32 | grillon | does someone know shepherd? What do you think about it? |
15:55.24 | murr777 | standby Xenguy, i c u |
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15:55.38 | Xenguy | :-) |
15:56.10 | murr777 | just talking to little linux bro |
15:57.13 | murr777 | so, is this PM? |
15:57.20 | RilloBiley | nope |
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15:57.29 | RilloBiley | i think /msg "name" |
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16:14.30 | grillon | Im not here to troll. it s a real question |
16:27.18 | golinux | grillon: You might try posting on #debianfork |
16:27.53 | golinux | since your question is not really Devuan-related |
16:33.52 | grillon | I see thank you @ golinux |
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19:51.00 | Digit | eek. syslogd messages sprayed over my terminals. must be something serious. |
19:52.32 | Digit | http://dpaste.com/24GQESY |
19:53.40 | zdzichu | Digit: run 'dmesg' |
20:10.18 | MinceR | a serious systemd infection? :> |
20:18.05 | Xenguy | notes that pastebin is not TOR-friendly... |
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21:59.28 | yves_ | Is there a plan to replace systemd's logind ? elogind ? loginkit ? |
22:06.44 | Centurion_Dan | eventually... for now consolekit works pretty well. |
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