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| 00:22.00 | *** topic/#devuan is beta2 is out: http://ur1.ca/q572u ** https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 00:25.23 | dev1rox | does anybody know when samba will work in Devuan Jessie ?? I really don't want to go to unstable for samba and Kodi. |
| 00:38.59 | gnarface | the correct answer to dev1rox was supposed to be "did you try backports?" |
| 00:39.50 | gnarface | sadly i was 72 seconds too slow |
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| 01:02.29 | fsmithred | I don't see samba in backports |
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| 01:03.13 | fsmithred | I've got it installed, but I don't remember if it works or not. |
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| 01:04.53 | gnarface | well, my experience has been that samba doesn't work for most people unless you have a demonic pact and a Sherpa guide |
| 01:05.16 | gnarface | there's no way of knowing if his problem was accurately diagnosed |
| 01:06.33 | fsmithred | good points |
| 01:06.48 | gnarface | though i'm pretty sure that even if the version in jessie really doesn't work there's still a 3rd option besides upgrading the entire distro to unstable... |
| 01:07.52 | fsmithred | I think I installed some samba package from debian repo, because some version was out of sync. |
| 01:08.06 | fsmithred | but now, debian and devuan appear to have the same versions |
| 01:08.18 | gnarface | i've successfully built it from source in the past |
| 01:08.23 | gnarface | not recently though |
| 01:08.25 | fsmithred | in jessie, and also version in ascii and stretch match |
| 01:08.35 | fsmithred | I've installed it and gotten it to work in the past |
| 01:09.01 | fsmithred | and I just keep copying my configs forward with each OS release, with minor edits. |
| 01:09.18 | fsmithred | but it's a simple setup - share home and printer |
| 01:10.22 | fsmithred | not sure about the demonic pact, but I might have angels pulling some strings for me. |
| 01:20.46 | gnarface | i'm betting he got tripped up by the old smbfs->cifs switchover |
| 01:21.01 | gnarface | or something else not clearly explained by the samba docs |
| 01:21.17 | fsmithred | I can believe that last one, for sure |
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| 01:23.36 | gnarface | i also seem to remember wasting weeks figuring out that authentication won't work for windows boxes if the desktop user&password doesn't match the unix one identically |
| 01:24.11 | gnarface | god help you if you're expecting the official samba docs to mention that |
| 01:24.56 | gnarface | (may only have been a limitation of windows XP and earlier, not sure) |
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| 02:15.54 | parazyd | vote heads! http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?waitingdistro=387&resource=links#new |
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| 02:43.32 | golinux | parazyd: I'm not seeing where to vote on that page. |
| 02:44.09 | parazyd | maybe here |
| 02:44.12 | parazyd | http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=links#new?waitingdistro=387 |
| 02:44.14 | parazyd | search for heads |
| 02:44.30 | parazyd | there's a button saying 'recommend' |
| 02:47.30 | golinux | Nope. No button, This is the only 'recommend' on that page: Projects which receive the most Recommend votes and have been on our waiting list for a year will usually be evaluated first. |
| 02:48.01 | golinux | Maybe because I've voted before. I even deleted distrowatch cookies but no joy. |
| 02:48.26 | golinux | Maybe a different browser . . . |
| 02:49.50 | golinux | Nope same. no button. |
| 02:50.08 | golinux | That sucks . . , |
| 02:55.44 | nthrow | yall get yer certs sorted yet? |
| 03:12.07 | parazyd | nthrow: i believe so |
| 03:13.09 | parazyd | golinux: https://pub.parazyd.cf/tmp/screenshots/screenshot13.png |
| 03:13.43 | parazyd | but yeah it could be your ip address |
| 03:14.02 | parazyd | i browse using tor so never worry about that :D |
| 03:14.22 | golinux | Oh let me try tor! Give me a sec. |
| 03:14.44 | parazyd | it's good, i remember distrowatch used to block it before |
| 03:14.49 | golinux | keeps forgetting tor is there. Me baaaaad. |
| 03:14.52 | parazyd | :) |
| 03:15.03 | parazyd | amprolla is progressing well btw |
| 03:15.28 | golinux | Fantastic |
| 03:16.08 | golinux | CD was talking about dak iirc. |
| 03:16.50 | golinux | I have buttons on tor!! |
| 03:17.37 | golinux | The deed is done!!! |
| 03:23.07 | parazyd | :) |
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| 06:46.16 | rich2 | Good morning, are you aware of that the certificate for files.devuan.org expired yesterday? |
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| 07:36.51 | AntoFox | morning |
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| 12:52.48 | nthrow | lol, guess the certs aren't sorted then |
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| 12:53.38 | nthrow | here's a freebie: 30 2 * * 1 /usr/bin/letsencrypt renew >> /var/log/le-renew.log |
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| 14:36.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | 37 2,14 * * * |
| 14:37.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | not once per week, twice per day. according to https://certbot.eff.org/ |
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| 14:57.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, weird. They check for expiry<30d and suggest a "once per week or once per day" themselves, on https://certbot.eff.org/docs/using.html?highlight=cron#renewing-certificates. Dunno where exactly I seen the "twice per day, to make sure you stay online when revocation happens" |
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| 15:09.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | aaah here: https://certbot.eff.org/all-instructions/ "automating renewal" |
| 15:10.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | >>we recommend running it twice per day (it won't do anything until your certificates are due for renewal or revoked, but running it regularly would give your site a chance of staying online in case a Let's Encrypt-initiated revocation happened for some reason). Please select a random minute within the hour for your renewal tasks.<< |
| 15:20.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | just waits for a rooted eff LE server taking over 80% of webserver systems with a rogue certbot update |
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| 18:30.16 | ahura | Ok, radio check, are there any humans? |
| 18:30.39 | zdzichu | we are robots |
| 18:30.43 | zdzichu | we are here to assimilate |
| 18:34.32 | ahura | By thy command, Oh zdzichu! |
| 18:35.14 | golinux | Hi ahura |
| 18:39.03 | MinceR | EXTERMINATE ALL HUMANS |
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| 18:45.33 | golinux | MinceR: That would save the planet and other species living on it for sure. |
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| 18:54.16 | MinceR | indeed |
| 18:54.19 | MinceR | well, except for dogs |
| 18:54.28 | MinceR | they'd starve to death relatively quickly |
| 19:09.05 | Chanku | Huh, there seem to be decent amount of reviews/look at videos for Devuan on youtube |
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| 21:24.33 | greenjeans | anybody else having issues with wicd? trying to connect to wi-fi causes cpu to max out and bad memory leak that quickly uses it up and spills into swap, freezing the machine up completely? |
| 21:25.28 | Centurion_Dan | Chanku: and what are they saying? |
| 21:26.33 | golinux | They are saying the the cert for files.devuan.org is still expired. :( |
| 21:27.35 | golinux | And wondering what's going on with devuan. ;) |
| 21:29.22 | Chanku | Centurion_Dan, they seem to be somewhat positive |
| 21:32.15 | greenjeans | okay, so just installed the exact same system I have been building, only the version before yesterday's, the only difference between the two is the 3 samba updates that got pushed a couple days ago. this older version works fine, the new updated one will not |
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| 21:37.11 | greenjeans | lots more testing I need to do, but this is kinda weird...probably just me or my machine |
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| 21:59.31 | greenjeans | well that's not it |
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| 22:05.47 | fsmithred | greenjeans, there's a problem with some samba packages |
| 22:06.18 | fsmithred | one of them requires a newer version of another that isn't available |
| 22:13.18 | greenjeans | found it |
| 22:13.34 | greenjeans | it wasn't the samba stuff...much as i hate samba |
| 22:13.48 | greenjeans | this is a bug and should probably be reported |
| 22:14.17 | greenjeans | the Aurora theme engine when used, conflicts horribly with wicd |
| 22:14.39 | greenjeans | i'm sitting here watching it multiple times |
| 22:15.12 | fsmithred | wow, that's weird. I wouldn't expect them to have anything to do with each other. |
| 22:15.27 | greenjeans | golinux made me think about it |
| 22:15.45 | fsmithred | she's good at that |
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| 22:16.04 | greenjeans | i had an issue about 6-7 years ago with Aurora conflicting with a camera program...shotwell i think it was |
| 22:16.39 | greenjeans | and she mentioned her work on purpy phenix and conflicts with gtk3 and such |
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| 22:17.08 | greenjeans | and i instantly flashed back to that aurora issue and that was the only other thing i had changed for the last iso |
| 22:17.39 | fsmithred | yeah, gtk3 causes problems |
| 22:17.41 | greenjeans | this sucks, aurora is my favorite |
| 22:18.09 | fsmithred | if you use the gtk3 version of yad, refractasnapshot windows will have important buttons off-screen |
| 22:18.18 | greenjeans | so, word to the wise for mate users, don't install and use aurora |
| 22:25.19 | greenjeans | yep, i just reproduced this multiple times with eliminating all other stuff, aurora is not good for wicd |
| 22:26.07 | greenjeans | i cannot have my Yad going bad, lol, need my Refracta stuff very badly |
| 22:27.35 | fsmithred | oh, I'll make sure there's a gtk2 version of yad available when I start seriously working on ascii |
| 22:27.51 | fsmithred | I think I already have one that dzz made |
| 22:32.03 | Xenguy | Thanks for the heads-up greenjeans |
| 22:33.23 | greenjeans | cool fsmithred, i just currently use the debian version as they didn't have it in devuan repo...haven't checked lately, have they ever added it? |
| 22:33.51 | fsmithred | it's only in testing |
| 22:33.57 | fsmithred | what version do you have? |
| 22:34.35 | fsmithred | yad --version |
| 22:37.30 | fsmithred | here's a gtk2 yad-0.37 - http://exegnulinux.net/refracta/experimental/yad/ |
| 22:45.15 | greenjeans | i'll check in a sec, whatever's current in debian, not on that machine at the moment, it's doing the 1000th refracta-install at the moment, lol |
| 22:45.55 | fsmithred | afaik, there's no yad in jessie |
| 22:46.10 | fsmithred | I doubt they added it after going stable |
| 22:46.29 | fsmithred | bbiab |
| 22:50.29 | greenjeans | Xenguy: happy to help when i can, not too good at all this, so I mostly flail about and break stuff, then cry for help from fsmithred, lol |
| 22:52.57 | greenjeans | yad version: 0.37.0-1 |
| 22:56.18 | greenjeans | so glad it wasn't my bad this time, ha! |
| 23:01.16 | greenjeans | come to think of it, that may not be the only theme conflicting, i have another partition that has the wicd issue on some wi-fi and not on others |
| 23:01.25 | greenjeans | but that one is 32 bit |
| 23:01.39 | greenjeans | may have aurora on it too, need to check |
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| 23:20.49 | ahura | Intalled the beta2 yesterday, worked well after using an ubuntu live to authenticate the systems MAC to the network. |
| 23:24.25 | ahura | However the Wireless (Advanced-N 6502) still needs a driver, which I have but where does the ucode go? Not in /lib/firmware? |
| 23:29.26 | fsmithred | ahura, is there no package in the repository for your wireless? |
| 23:32.57 | KatolaZ | ahura: the package is firmware-iwlwifi |
| 23:33.02 | KatolaZ | in non-free |
| 23:34.31 | fsmithred | it's also on the CD/DVD if you can find it |
| 23:41.42 | ahura | Thanks guys, i'm an absolute newbie so what are the steps? |
| 23:42.59 | fsmithred | you want to edit a text file or poke around in a gui package manager? |
| 23:43.14 | fsmithred | you need to add contrib and non-free repositories |
| 23:43.33 | fsmithred | I don't know how to do it in synaptic package manager, but it's probably not hard to find |
| 23:44.00 | fsmithred | Apps menu -> System -> Synaptic |
| 23:44.11 | fsmithred | oh wait |
| 23:44.21 | fsmithred | do you have a wired connection on that box? |
| 23:45.36 | ahura | Yes its online now. |
| 23:45.44 | fsmithred | goot |
| 23:45.46 | fsmithred | good |
| 23:46.08 | fsmithred | open synaptic |
| 23:47.24 | ahura | opened (w/root) |
| 23:47.47 | fsmithred | Settings -> Repositories |
| 23:48.01 | fsmithred | then maximize the window and tell me how many lines are checked |
| 23:49.52 | ahura | the last 7 lines are checked |
| 23:50.14 | fsmithred | do any of them say main contrib non-free at the end of the line? |
| 23:50.58 | ahura | 5 of them |
| 23:51.08 | fsmithred | cool, you can close that window |
| 23:51.21 | fsmithred | and hit the search button in synaptic |
| 23:51.39 | fsmithred | search for iwlwifi |
| 23:51.44 | fsmithred | check the box |
| 23:51.48 | fsmithred | click the apply button |
| 23:52.14 | fsmithred | and you should be good - |
| 23:54.01 | KatolaZ | wow, I am surprised of how much synaptic resembles dselect, apparently :D |
| 23:54.14 | fsmithred | lol |
| 23:54.18 | KatolaZ | (I refer to the workflow, not the actual look&feel) :D |
| 23:54.24 | fsmithred | looks like its grandfather |
| 23:54.39 | KatolaZ | well, dselect *is* synaptic's grandfather |
| 23:54.42 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 23:54.55 | KatolaZ | I actually managed to install a very old debian image |
| 23:54.56 | KatolaZ | 0.91 |
| 23:55.03 | KatolaZ | on a virtual machine |
| 23:55.06 | fsmithred | have you noticed that the graphical install looks just like the regular install, except for the colors? |
| 23:55.21 | KatolaZ | and you wouldn't recognise the original dpkg :D |
| 23:55.37 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: never used the regular install :( |
| 23:55.45 | KatolaZ | always gone with expert mode |
| 23:55.50 | fsmithred | I dragged out my woody disks to show someone the installation screens |
| 23:55.52 | fsmithred | it was scary |
| 23:56.04 | fsmithred | yeah, but graphical or ncurses? |
| 23:56.10 | KatolaZ | which I believe is ncurses-only |
| 23:56.20 | KatolaZ | dunno if there is a graphical option for expert |
| 23:56.21 | fsmithred | maybe |
| 23:56.27 | KatolaZ | no idea |
| 23:56.35 | fsmithred | I stay away from the graphical install - it's harder to use |
| 23:56.43 | KatolaZ | I am not that much into installing, normally :D |
| 23:56.56 | fsmithred | I install waaaay too much |
| 23:57.10 | fsmithred | I don't even read the screens anymore |
| 23:57.21 | ahura | It should be good. I'll go for the reboot. |
| 23:57.34 | fsmithred | not sure you need to reboot with that one |
| 23:57.36 | KatolaZ | ahura: do not reboot |
| 23:57.41 | KatolaZ | you don't need to! |
| 23:57.51 | KatolaZ | it's not windows :\ |
