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| 12:26.55 | zeph1ro | ¡ |
| 12:27.38 | zeph1ro | hi, got a box installed with Debian Testing -> removed systemd, stumbled on udev related issue |
| 12:27.50 | zeph1ro | i'd like to switch to Devuan, but... |
| 12:28.20 | zeph1ro | a) is there a testing/stretch compatible repo, and can I try a dist-upgrade? (it is not a production laptop) |
| 12:28.47 | zeph1ro | b) if i shall start from scratch, I need a multiarch installer... very fancy crazy laptop... |
| 12:29.01 | zeph1ro | anybody with b) in mind? or shall I setup my build system to have it? |
| 12:29.24 | zeph1ro | what's the least effort u can recomend? I want to contribute... give me a hint ;) |
| 12:31.39 | KatolaZ | zeph1ro: Devuan ascii (testing) has not been thoroughly tested and loved lately |
| 12:32.08 | zeph1ro | i'm aware of the danger, but I like testing... so, I can take the leap of faith and give it a try |
| 12:32.15 | zeph1ro | and file bug reports if needed |
| 12:32.18 | KatolaZ | you could try to dist-upgrade to devuan ascii (loosely corresponding to stretch, at the moment) but you would be mostly on your own |
| 12:32.22 | KatolaZ | that would be great |
| 12:32.34 | zeph1ro | ok, I'll try that then |
| 12:32.41 | KatolaZ | I wouldn't probably do that on a production machine though |
| 12:32.50 | zeph1ro | as said... this is my playground laptop |
| 12:32.52 | KatolaZ | and maybe you still need to pin systemd there |
| 12:32.56 | zeph1ro | a Lenovo 100S of 100USD |
| 12:33.04 | zeph1ro | it is already pinned |
| 12:33.05 | KatolaZ | oh, it would be great to have bug reports then |
| 12:33.21 | KatolaZ | I will do the same shortly on a backup laptop |
| 12:33.25 | zeph1ro | cool |
| 12:33.40 | zeph1ro | looking forward to do it, as now I have to startx as root |
| 12:33.50 | KatolaZ | mmmhhhh |
| 12:33.50 | zeph1ro | even chmod +s on Xorg doesn't do the job |
| 12:33.52 | zeph1ro | due to udev |
| 12:33.58 | KatolaZ | oh i see.. :( |
| 12:34.02 | zeph1ro | yeah... |
| 12:34.04 | KatolaZ | I want to experiment a bit with mdev |
| 12:34.20 | KatolaZ | it is not for all the tastes, but if you don't need GNOME/KDE it should be enough |
| 12:34.32 | zeph1ro | i'm on awesomewm |
| 12:34.34 | KatolaZ | and I know that there has been a lot of effort around vdev as well |
| 12:34.40 | KatolaZ | but I haven't tested it so far |
| 12:34.50 | KatolaZ | I'm lagging behind, unfortunately :D |
| 12:34.53 | KatolaZ | oh great |
| 12:35.00 | KatolaZ | then mdev might really be enough, I suppose |
| 12:35.07 | zeph1ro | no time either, but it is my "relaxing" play time :p |
| 12:35.10 | KatolaZ | this is something I will test soon |
| 12:35.14 | KatolaZ | eheheheh |
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| 13:03.07 | zeph1ro | toh, un italiano... ciao @firegarden [just saying hi, we will revert to english] |
| 13:03.26 | firegarden | :P |
| 13:03.37 | firegarden | i'm not italian, i'm sicilian btw :D :D :D |
| 13:03.44 | zeph1ro | soca ... :D |
| 13:03.49 | KatolaZ | firegarden: shut the hell up! |
| 13:03.50 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 13:04.00 | firegarden | devuan with backports don't pin in the right way |
| 13:04.04 | firegarden | broken things :( |
| 13:04.17 | KatolaZ | firegarden: ? |
| 13:04.21 | KatolaZ | what is broken? |
| 13:04.27 | KatolaZ | you can always revert back, right |
| 13:04.29 | KatolaZ | ? |
| 13:04.29 | firegarden | maybe a little readme on devuan site? |
| 13:04.39 | firegarden | i hope yes, i don't have time by know. |
| 13:04.41 | KatolaZ | that might be helpful, yes ;) |
| 13:04.53 | firegarden | by default if i install packages with apt it search/install from backports |
| 13:05.03 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 13:05.03 | firegarden | i think this is not normal.... right? |
| 13:05.14 | KatolaZ | they should be given priority smaller than 500 |
| 13:05.25 | KatolaZ | which is the main devuan-jessie repo |
| 13:05.40 | KatolaZ | you might just fix this in preferences.d |
| 13:06.22 | KatolaZ | Package: * |
| 13:06.22 | KatolaZ | Pin: release a=jessie-backports |
| 13:06.24 | KatolaZ | Pin-Priority: 100 |
| 13:08.17 | firegarden | i have to remove the old pinning? |
| 13:08.34 | firegarden | this i mean https://github.com/hellekin/devuan-baseconf/blob/master/data/etc/apt/preferences.d/devuan-repository |
| 13:09.24 | KatolaZ | that is *pretty* old |
| 13:09.28 | firegarden | yes |
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| 13:09.43 | firegarden | i don't have it anymore |
| 13:09.49 | KatolaZ | you should use auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged |
| 13:09.54 | firegarden | my memory mistake |
| 13:10.05 | firegarden | shit |
| 13:10.20 | firegarden | root@bhairava:~# apt-get install httpie |
| 13:10.20 | firegarden | Reading package lists... Done |
| 13:10.20 | firegarden | Building dependency tree |
| 13:10.20 | firegarden | Reading state information... Done |
| 13:10.20 | firegarden | Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have |
| 13:10.21 | firegarden | requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable |
| 13:10.22 | firegarden | distribution that some required packages have not yet been created |
| 13:10.26 | firegarden | or been moved out of Incoming. |
| 13:10.28 | firegarden | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 13:10.30 | firegarden | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:10.32 | firegarden | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:10.34 | firegarden | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 13:10.41 | KatolaZ | mmmhhh |
| 13:10.48 | firegarden | i have python-requests installed |
| 13:11.01 | firegarden | i think i have bpo version and httpie want version from jessie, maybe? |
| 13:11.04 | KatolaZ | why do you need httpie? |
| 13:11.10 | KatolaZ | oh yes |
| 13:11.13 | firegarden | i debug restful API |
| 13:11.19 | firegarden | very quicly |
| 13:11.25 | firegarden | it's an amazing tool :) |
| 13:11.29 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 13:11.31 | KatolaZ | anyway |
| 13:11.53 | firegarden | i tried to remove python-requests and install httpie, same error message |
| 13:11.54 | KatolaZ | just pin the backports repo down |
| 13:12.03 | KatolaZ | and give apt-get update |
| 13:12.14 | KatolaZ | this is easily solvable |
| 13:12.56 | firegarden | yep i trying |
| 13:13.08 | KatolaZ | 1) pin |
| 13:13.11 | KatolaZ | 2) apt-get update |
| 13:13.17 | KatolaZ | 3) reinstall the package you need |
| 13:13.27 | KatolaZ | if it doesn't work, downgrade the dependency |
| 13:14.24 | firegarden | yes, it doesn't work. to downgrade i remove backports and upgrade? |
| 13:14.32 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 13:14.37 | KatolaZ | no need to remove backports |
| 13:14.44 | KatolaZ | pin it to Priority 1000 |
| 13:14.46 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 13:14.49 | KatolaZ | Priority: 100 |
| 13:15.21 | KatolaZ | and then apt-get update |
| 13:15.23 | KatolaZ | (not upgrade) |
| 13:15.27 | fsmithred | 1001 |
| 13:15.35 | fsmithred | for main |
| 13:15.38 | firegarden | 100 1000 1001 :D |
| 13:15.49 | fsmithred | just the first and last |
| 13:15.51 | fsmithred | hang on... |
| 13:16.22 | firegarden | yes |
| 13:16.27 | firegarden | with 100 it works !!!!! |
| 13:16.31 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 13:16.46 | firegarden | KatolaZ i have to buy you a beer |
| 13:16.49 | firegarden | or more than one |
| 13:16.49 | fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=32 |
| 13:17.11 | fsmithred | just pinning bpo to 100 caused removal of unwanted bpo packages? |
| 13:17.32 | KatolaZ | I don't think so |
| 13:17.40 | fsmithred | or it only prevented installation of unwanted? |
| 13:17.48 | KatolaZ | it might have forced installation of a version in main |
| 13:17.53 | KatolaZ | yep |
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| 13:18.03 | KatolaZ | I don't mind using backports though |
| 13:18.18 | KatolaZ | I used to stay in testing, before jessie |
| 13:19.20 | fsmithred | yeah, I used to switch to testing when it froze... until jessie |
| 13:21.33 | KatolaZ | jessie broke everything, for the first time since potato :( |
| 13:25.03 | zeph1ro | uhmmm... KatolaZ ... the dist-upgrade has acted on just 3 packages |
| 13:25.07 | zeph1ro | was it expected? |
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| 13:25.39 | KatolaZ | may well be |
| 13:25.48 | KatolaZ | since devuan and debian currently share repos |
| 13:25.59 | KatolaZ | only, the debian repos are "filtered" by amprolla |
| 13:26.06 | KatolaZ | but they are effectively the same repo |
| 13:26.24 | zeph1ro | LOL... Jaromil is on the project? I should have guessed... |
| 13:26.33 | KatolaZ | zeph1ro: :D |
| 13:26.47 | KatolaZ | well it makes a lot of sense, indeed |
| 13:27.05 | zeph1ro | k, reboot?? fingers crossed? :D |
| 13:27.25 | zeph1ro | (nonsense, I know... it just took xorg and other minor packages) |
| 13:27.26 | KatolaZ | no need to reboot, though |
| 13:27.32 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 13:27.36 | zeph1ro | but libsystemd-udev ? |
| 13:27.42 | zeph1ro | i wanna nuke it... |
| 13:28.05 | KatolaZ | libsystemd might stay around a little longer.... |
| 13:29.17 | zeph1ro | ok, then... procedures for bug reporting, squashing and contributing are the same as Debian? |
| 13:29.22 | zeph1ro | can I follow that documentation? |
| 13:29.43 | zeph1ro | what about the devscripts? we have a version with Devuan endpoints like this channel? |
| 13:30.09 | zeph1ro | (normally, if I take a bug to work on, i send out, via the tool, a message to a channel) |
| 13:30.45 | KatolaZ | ooops |
| 13:30.47 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 13:30.54 | zeph1ro | uhmmm... |
| 13:30.56 | KatolaZ | atm all bug reporting is made through gitlab |
| 13:31.40 | zeph1ro | do we consider Debian as upstream (for packages not systemd related?)? shall I propose patches there? |
| 13:32.04 | KatolaZ | I know that some patches and packages have been accepted in debian |
| 13:35.16 | jaromil | hi zeph1ro |
| 13:35.45 | zeph1ro | bella jaromil!!! (ex Loa, Zeph) |
| 13:35.58 | jaromil | :^) bellah |
| 13:37.05 | KatolaZ | we don't have the old bot who used to reply to "bella", right? :D |
| 13:37.11 | zeph1ro | after long time I decided of having a bare metal box to play around... with Debian... fail... removed systemd... fail... moved to Devuan |
| 13:37.16 | zeph1ro | :D |
| 13:37.27 | zeph1ro | KatolaZ u had one? :D |
| 13:37.48 | KatolaZ | we used to have one in #freaknet ;) |
| 13:37.53 | jaromil | ahah true |
| 13:38.03 | zeph1ro | i c... do we have Asbesto on the channel? :p |
| 13:38.12 | jaromil | sometimes |
| 13:38.20 | KatolaZ | rarely |
| 13:40.03 | firegarden | look like a little vua meeting :P |
| 13:40.11 | zeph1ro | yep :D |
| 13:40.12 | firegarden | where is nextime? :P |
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| 13:40.35 | firegarden | recharging the laser1 [laseruan] |
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| 13:53.31 | zeph1ro | has anybody tried out wayland? |
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| 14:21.16 | djph | nope, good ol' X11 does just dandy for me |
| 14:21.41 | zeph1ro | works like a charme, just installed |
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| 14:25.46 | jaromil | on devuan? |
| 14:28.01 | Petit_Dejeuner | Anyone here managed to install firmware-iwlwifi? I think I need to add a non-free component to /etc/apt/sources.list, but I'm not sure what the equivalent devuan package is. |
| 14:28.47 | Petit_Dejeuner | It seems like the non-free source is already added, but I still can't find firmware-iwlwifi. |
| 14:29.06 | Petit_Dejeuner | deb-src http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:29.50 | Petit_Dejeuner | When I try to install it I'm told that there's no installation candidate for the package. |
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| 14:35.47 | cyteen | Petit_Dejeuner: try deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main non-free |
| 14:39.00 | KatolaZ | Petit_Dejeuner: firmware-iwlwifi |
| 14:39.03 | KatolaZ | in non-free |
| 14:39.17 | KatolaZ | is the same as in Debian.... |
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| 15:27.36 | Petit_Dejeuner | cyteen: Thanks. That worked for me. This is also a good guide you could point someone to if they need help with the same thing. https://talk.devuan.org/t/quest-for-the-devuan-laptop/600 |
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| 15:46.32 | firegarden | thanks golinux :) |
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| 18:14.17 | Ponchale | Hi people |
| 18:16.23 | Ponchale | jaromil: hi |
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| 18:19.34 | Ponchale | Centurion_Dan: hi how are you jaromil not have resquest about partnership? |
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| 18:31.21 | jaromil | hi! Centurion_Dan I'm following up, its a very interesting partnership :^D |
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| 18:38.22 | Ponchale | Excellent :) this is excellent |
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| 19:19.58 | Centurion_Dan | thanks jaromil |
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