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04:16.26 | Se7en | I'm having trouble with my self-compiled b43 drivers |
04:16.38 | Se7en | During the init boot it says that non-free drivers are disabled |
04:16.44 | Se7en | (even though b43 is Open) |
04:16.54 | Se7en | And it won't bring them up, period |
04:20.10 | Se7en | Anyone here to aide? |
04:24.23 | fsmithred | how do you disable non-free drivers? |
04:24.37 | fsmithred | do you have contrib and non-free in sources.list? |
04:25.15 | fsmithred | nm, you said self-compiled |
04:25.29 | fsmithred | lsmod |grep b43 ? |
04:26.25 | Se7en | 43 409600 0 |
04:26.27 | Se7en | bcma 57344 1 b43 |
04:26.29 | Se7en | mac80211 778240 1 b43 |
04:26.31 | Se7en | cfg80211 593920 2 b43,mac80211 |
04:26.33 | Se7en | ssb 57344 2 b43,ssb_hcd |
04:26.48 | fsmithred | looks like the modules loaded |
04:27.18 | Se7en | I can't bring up wlan0 or anything related to it |
04:27.35 | fsmithred | and you rebooted after installing the driver? |
04:27.45 | Se7en | Many times |
04:27.58 | Se7en | The error in init says the module is b43-phy |
04:28.04 | fsmithred | wow |
04:28.14 | fsmithred | I think I did this for someone around six months ago |
04:28.17 | Se7en | And it then prints a bit on nonsense saying that the module can't be loaded due to non-free drivers blocked |
04:28.32 | fsmithred | never heard of that message |
04:28.38 | Se7en | And then there's the odd thing saying b43-phy: /DEBLOBBED/ |
04:29.15 | fsmithred | what did you start with? |
04:30.10 | Se7en | The instructions from the archived linux wireless website |
04:31.17 | fsmithred | I'm gonna see what I used |
04:33.41 | fsmithred | you tried the one from the repo first? |
04:34.39 | Se7en | There wasn't one from the repo |
04:35.19 | Se7en | Also odd thing keeps happening. My LAN goes down and when pluging it back in it doesn't go up on its own. I need to use wicd to start |
04:35.57 | fsmithred | you couldn't find the lpphy, right? |
04:36.22 | fsmithred | it's included in one of the other packages now |
04:36.28 | Se7en | What package |
04:36.50 | fsmithred | lemme see if I can remember |
04:38.14 | fsmithred | Package: firmware-b43-installer |
04:38.28 | fsmithred | Replaces: firmware-b43-lpphy-installer (<= 1:015-14) |
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04:39.09 | gnarface | not to seem unsympathetic, but for the record, i would have warned anyone not to buy Broadcom |
04:39.11 | fsmithred | I did compile some b43 for my brother-in-law, but I have three packages on the laptop, and I don't know which one I used |
04:39.22 | fsmithred | lol |
04:39.49 | fsmithred | I won't argue with that advice |
04:40.05 | gnarface | it's based on years of first-hand experience |
04:41.40 | gnarface | but i am sympathetic. i know very well that you don't always go to battle with the hardware you want. you go to battle with the hardware you have. |
04:44.14 | Se7en | E: Unable to locate package firmware-b43-installer |
04:44.17 | gnarface | Broadcom support in Linux is not unlike Nvidia's in levels of contempt, but their hardware has none of the redeeming performance benefits to justify it |
04:44.55 | gnarface | i actually thought THIS problem was already resolved though |
04:45.11 | gnarface | it's really 2017 and we're still doing firmware cutting for the stupid b43 driver? |
04:45.11 | fsmithred | you must add contrib and non-free to source.list |
04:45.17 | Se7en | ~Damn |
04:45.18 | Se7en | Alright |
04:45.34 | fsmithred | or download the debs |
04:45.53 | fsmithred | but I think you need more than one for that. Not sure. |
04:45.58 | gnarface | i would add contrib and non-free, but then just take them back out after installing the firmware |
04:46.20 | gnarface | (don't forget to re-run apt-get update before and after for that change to take effect) |
04:47.05 | gnarface | if that doesn't work and you still have to go hunting down a windows installer and a python script to cut the firmware out of it, my heart goes out to you |
04:47.54 | fsmithred | people still do that?? |
04:48.24 | gnarface | i dunno really, but i assume that's the only option left if the firmware in the non-free package in the repos isn't new enough |
04:48.34 | furrywolf | I have a usb adapter that needs a firmware update, but no way to do it. |
04:48.44 | Se7en | installed |
04:49.00 | Se7en | Still isn't ccomming up |
04:49.03 | Se7en | modprobe b43 |
04:49.37 | gnarface | furrywolf: usb adapter of what sort? |
04:50.22 | Se7en | Should I try restarting? |
04:50.30 | fsmithred | yes |
04:50.34 | Se7en | Alright |
04:50.35 | gnarface | hmmm, i wonder if you might have to run something first |
04:50.36 | fsmithred | I've had to do that |
04:50.47 | gnarface | update-initrd -u or something maybe? |
04:50.58 | furrywolf | usb 3.0 expresscard |
04:51.08 | gnarface | er update-initramfs i think |
04:51.24 | furrywolf | I think firmware is going to keep being an ongoing issue. |
04:52.13 | gnarface | furrywolf: hmmm, how do they recommend to install the firmware officially? through some windows app? |
04:52.21 | furrywolf | yep |
04:52.36 | gnarface | they don't have a boot disk method by any chance? |
04:52.58 | furrywolf | there's apparantly another version of the same card that needs the firmware loaded at runtime, with even more linux issues. |
04:53.08 | gnarface | grim :( |
04:53.10 | furrywolf | nope. the tool supposedly only runs on 64-bit windows. |
04:53.39 | gnarface | ugly. part of me wonders what would happen if you tried running it in wine. |
04:53.53 | gnarface | usually such things do NOT work in wine though |
04:54.28 | furrywolf | I wouldn't consider it to have enough of a chance of working to even be worth trying. |
04:55.01 | Se7en | It did not correct the problem |
04:56.07 | fsmithred | reboot didn't help? |
04:56.08 | gnarface | any relevant output from dmesg, Se7en |
04:56.11 | gnarface | ? |
04:58.39 | Se7en | [ 90.548599] pcmcia_socket pcmcia_socket0: cs: memory probe 0x60000000-0x60ffffff: |
04:58.41 | Se7en | [ 90.548625] excluding 0x60000000-0x60ffffff |
04:58.43 | Se7en | [ 90.621800] b43-phy0: Broadcom 4311 WLAN found (core revision 10) |
04:58.45 | Se7en | [ 90.668114] b43-phy0: Found PHY: Analog 4, Type 2 (G), Revision 8 |
04:58.47 | Se7en | [ 90.668135] b43-phy0: Found Radio: Manuf 0x17F, ID 0x2050, Revision 2, Version 0 |
04:58.49 | Se7en | [ 90.684202] ssb0:0: Missing Free firmware (non-Free firmware loading is disabled) |
04:58.51 | Se7en | [ 90.684262] Unable to load firmware |
04:58.53 | Se7en | [ 90.684514] Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PNL ] |
04:58.54 | gnarface | oh it's pcmcia? |
04:58.55 | Se7en | [ 90.716677] pci 0000:00:00.0: Intel 945GM Chipset |
04:58.56 | gnarface | interesting |
04:59.14 | gnarface | hmmm |
04:59.19 | gnarface | non-free firmware loading is disabled |
04:59.22 | gnarface | wtf is that about? |
04:59.38 | fsmithred | is firmware-linux-free installed? |
04:59.45 | Se7en | unsure |
04:59.46 | Se7en | hold on |
05:00.10 | Se7en | No... |
05:00.13 | gnarface | i'm also curious what you get for /sbin/modinfo -p b43 |
05:00.37 | gnarface | (looking at my copy, i'm wondering if you need to maybe add fwpostfix=1) |
05:00.41 | Se7en | ad_frames_preempt:enable(1) / disable(0) Bad Frames Preemption (int) |
05:00.43 | Se7en | fwpostfix:Postfix for the .fw files to load. (string) |
05:00.45 | Se7en | hwpctl:Enable hardware-side power control (default off) (int) |
05:00.47 | Se7en | nohwcrypt:Disable hardware encryption. (int) |
05:00.49 | Se7en | hwtkip:Enable hardware tkip. (int) |
05:00.51 | Se7en | qos:Enable QOS support (default on) (int) |
05:00.53 | Se7en | btcoex:Enable Bluetooth coexistence (default on) (int) |
05:00.55 | Se7en | verbose:Log message verbosity: 0=error, 1=warn, 2=info(default), 3=debug (int) |
05:00.57 | Se7en | pio:Use PIO accesses by default: 0=DMA, 1=PIO (int) |
05:00.59 | Se7en | allhwsupport:Enable support for all hardware (even it if overlaps with the brcmsmac driver) (int) |
05:01.08 | furrywolf | https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-guix/2016-04/msg00138.html seems relevant but I have no idea what it's trying to say. |
05:02.06 | fsmithred | sleep time for me. good night and good luck. |
05:02.36 | gnarface | furrywolf: looks like lisp code, but that's just about all i can tell you |
05:03.19 | furrywolf | "the kernels with "gnu" in the title will not work with proprietary firmware, which intel and ralink both possess. core comes with a gnu kernel, so even if the firmware is present, it won't use it." |
05:03.34 | gnarface | ah, i see |
05:03.39 | gnarface | wait what is "core" ? |
05:03.45 | gnarface | wtf kernel is this now? |
05:03.52 | furrywolf | dunno, something relevant to the random forum post I found. lol |
05:03.59 | gnarface | good possibility |
05:04.17 | Se7en | furrywolf: gnarface I use this kernel https://jxself.org/linux-libre/ |
05:04.26 | Se7en | Sorry that I forgot to mention I'm a freetard |
05:04.36 | gnarface | oh |
05:04.46 | gnarface | well you may need a new ethernet device |
05:04.50 | gnarface | or a new kernel |
05:04.58 | furrywolf | I missed the start of this conversation, but it sounds like Se7en is trying to use a non-devuan kernel, that's intentionally been compiled to not load non-free firmware. the issue would be resolved by not using that kernel. |
05:05.23 | gnarface | well, in theory he could rebuild it too |
05:05.35 | gnarface | i'm assuming it's just one flag you can switch back on, but i could be wrong i guess |
05:05.56 | furrywolf | ... seriously? you're installing a kernel from a web page that blatantly says all non-free bits are gone, and wondering why it's not loading non-free bits? :P |
05:06.26 | Se7en | I was able to use it with this kernel before though... |
05:06.26 | Se7en | And if the files are in /lib/firmware and not in the kernel why would it mattrrt |
05:07.06 | gnarface | hey, you're the self-proclaimed freetard, you tell me |
05:07.14 | gnarface | why would it matter, indeed. |
05:07.50 | Se7en | furrywolf: it removes the blobs from the kernel itself |
05:08.02 | furrywolf | AND it disables loading any blobs in the future. |
05:08.02 | Se7en | And I've compiled the driveres into /lib/firmware |
05:08.04 | Se7en | So |
05:08.31 | furrywolf | sounds like you need support from the linux-libre people, not the devuan people. |
05:09.09 | Se7en | Alright then |
05:09.42 | furrywolf | bah, I sent something to the wrong channel. <furrywolf:#debianfork> it matters because the kernel has been compiled to intentionally refuse to load non-free firmware. |
05:13.01 | gnarface | (spoiler alert, they're probably gonna also tell you not to give your money to Broadcom) |
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05:21.27 | AlexLikeRock | Se7en, hi |
05:21.42 | AlexLikeRock | nice to see you hir |
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05:21.51 | Se7en | Who are you |
05:31.50 | furrywolf | bbl, wolfy bedtime |
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08:15.40 | StoBrendo | !listkeys #devuan bar |
08:15.56 | StoBrendo | !listkeys bar |
08:16.08 | StoBrendo | !listkeys community |
08:16.16 | StoBrendo | !listkeys kernel |
08:16.31 | StoBrendo | !listkeys init |
08:16.38 | StoBrendo | !listkeys sysv |
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08:20.21 | StoBrendo | could devuan be installed through CLI/chroot ? |
08:20.50 | StoBrendo | !listkeys alt inst |
08:20.57 | StoBrendo | !listkeys altertnative |
08:21.02 | StoBrendo | !listkeys installs |
08:21.08 | StoBrendo | !listkeys install |
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08:21.38 | StoBrendo | !install nic |
08:21.38 | infobot | it has been said that install nic is Power your machine off. Open case. Install NIC. Close case. Power on. Load module and edit /etc/network/interfaces. /etc/init.d/networking restart. Enjoy! |
08:21.50 | StoBrendo | !install sarge |
08:21.50 | infobot | well, install sarge is install stable then upgrade to sarge, ask me about woody->sarge |
08:21.59 | StoBrendo | !install x4 |
08:21.59 | infobot | you probably mean install xf4, ask me about that. |
08:22.06 | StoBrendo | nope badass |
08:22.30 | StoBrendo | !install barbie |
08:22.30 | infobot | i guess install barbie is Clicking next is hard |
08:22.59 | StoBrendo | !ksysv |
08:22.59 | infobot | Editor for System V Init configurations. URL: http://eclipt.uni-klu.ac.at/projects/ksysv/ |
08:23.22 | StoBrendo | !sysv cycle |
08:23.22 | infobot | rumour has it, sysv cycle is aigarius | ok, I have a stale sysvinit from woody making circular depends when upgrading woody->sid. I forced the upgrade by 'dpgk --force-all --remove sysvinit' and install in similar way and a apt-get -f install then. just fyi |
08:23.48 | StoBrendo | (Y) |
08:24.05 | StoBrendo | rly? |
08:24.08 | StoBrendo | !be sex barbie |
08:24.08 | infobot | Being ill-equipped is HARD! |
08:26.35 | StoBrendo | !help |
08:26.58 | StoBrendo | ups , i should have done that to start with |
08:29.30 | StoBrendo | !google what time it is |
08:29.54 | StoBrendo | !md5 wandertvanderthertz |
08:30.10 | StoBrendo | almost same length :') |
08:30.29 | StoBrendo | !google "what time it is" |
08:31.02 | StoBrendo | oh, some commands are restricted |
08:31.19 | StoBrendo | !wtf |
08:31.35 | StoBrendo | !wtf irc |
08:31.45 | StoBrendo | oooh |
08:31.47 | StoBrendo | xDDd okey |
08:35.02 | StoBrendo | Hm... So, my question would be. Could devuan be installed through debootstrap/similar easily (semi-automagicly) ? |
08:37.29 | gnarface | i'm curious too, you should try it |
08:39.43 | StoBrendo | https://git.devuan.org/explore/groups |
08:39.46 | StoBrendo | likes it |
08:39.59 | gnarface | i mean, i don't see why it wouldn't work, but i do vaguely recall there being a bug... i'd assume fixed by now but i'm not sure |
08:40.15 | StoBrendo | yes someone said it failed for him |
08:40.34 | StoBrendo | read it just now in this channel's logs from google |
08:41.22 | gnarface | it might be that it just doesn't work with the debian one, but you can install the devuan one |
08:41.32 | StoBrendo | !quote devuan@www See also: @devuan-packages, @devuan-doc, @devuan-editors, @devuan-infrastructure, @devuan-security |
08:42.18 | StoBrendo | ::setTarget('@devuan-infrastructure'); |
08:42.36 | StoBrendo | (i got curious to know how the whole thing works, since i saw the groups thing) |
08:43.18 | StoBrendo | gnarface: i don't understand properly how debootstrap works, i just know that it allows you to pick your choices and install the system while ... ehm watching p... , coding |
08:43.52 | gnarface | it's not like the installer, it just bootstraps a base installl |
08:44.10 | StoBrendo | gnarface: I enjoy having nasty/Frankenstein systems to play with, but i also enjoy having stable good simple and lightway ones, to get the job done |
08:44.13 | gnarface | you can add extra packages, but you have to finish system configuration manually |
08:44.45 | StoBrendo | yup, it obviously works since ... you are 'building' (as in legos) the system yourselv |
08:45.04 | StoBrendo | thus the automagicly, otherwise gentoo is a good choice as well |
08:45.14 | gnarface | do you know what a chroot is? |
08:45.33 | StoBrendo | well semi-automagicly, since choices are choices :P{ |
08:45.47 | StoBrendo | ch - ange root |
08:46.10 | StoBrendo | it makes some path to act as if it is the root of its filesystem |
08:46.20 | StoBrendo | for a while |
08:46.36 | StoBrendo | ( its sub-filesystem :P) |
08:47.05 | StoBrendo | i haven't read exactly what it is, but i've used it several times , ok first ones without understanding much. Not there anymore |
08:47.36 | gnarface | yea, so you can just populate that path with debootstrap at the command line |
08:47.41 | gnarface | (in theory) |
08:48.06 | StoBrendo | yup |
08:48.26 | StoBrendo | but wasn't the plan :P |
08:48.37 | gnarface | oh |
08:48.42 | StoBrendo | having a good system to work with within minutes sometimes is needed |
08:48.55 | gnarface | something wrong with the installer? |
08:49.15 | StoBrendo | debian is it, but the same way i use firefox without actually liking it, just because there isn't any better browser to my like |
08:50.09 | gnarface | i have to go, but i'll be back eventually |
08:50.22 | StoBrendo | that would make it 2 of us then ;) |
08:50.41 | StoBrendo | may the force be with you |
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09:18.00 | AntoFox | o/ |
09:18.32 | AntoFox | some one use java package? |
09:18.55 | AntoFox | java-package-0.56 |
09:19.04 | AntoFox | and amule? |
09:19.09 | AntoFox | are missing on devuan |
09:20.56 | AntoFox | if someone does not work on this 2 I try to load/compile them in this day |
09:34.12 | StoBrendo | AntoFox: you would know by any change an existing way of install devuan from command line ? like debootstrap does. PS: because of 2 reasons, to be able to choose/decide more and (the most important one) to be able to use the computer while installing the OS in either another partition or HD |
09:34.28 | StoBrendo | s/you would/would you/ |
09:34.57 | StoBrendo | PS2: \o |
09:39.37 | AntoFox | for my convenience, I always installed devuan/debian and ubuntu with the graphical installer, is fast, easy intuitive |
09:40.03 | AntoFox | the unique OS I installed from command line are freebsd and arch |
09:43.20 | AntoFox | java-packages 0.56 is now on: |
09:43.22 | AntoFox | https://git.devuan.org/nioanto/java-package |
09:43.34 | AntoFox | now I need to go, bbl |
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09:46.03 | StoBrendo | !tell AntoFox Ok, thanks. nope, spanish is my native language |
09:46.44 | StoBrendo | you wont do it? Tell it to me to my face instead of via /msg you piece of s*** |
09:46.46 | StoBrendo | xD |
09:46.59 | StoBrendo | !tell StoBrendo you wont do it |
09:47.10 | StoBrendo | well... you did half the way dude |
09:47.12 | StoBrendo | xD |
09:47.35 | StoBrendo | !keep with your learning |
10:43.50 | KatolaZ | StoBrendo: you can use the ncurses install |
10:43.57 | KatolaZ | which is the default in expert mode |
11:02.08 | StoBrendo | KatolaZ: How would I use ncurses install from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb while using /dev/sda normally ? |
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11:07.58 | KatolaZ | ah StoBrendo |
11:08.04 | KatolaZ | then you need debootstrap |
11:08.46 | StoBrendo | meh, ok |
11:09.27 | StoBrendo | since i've got no time (thus the urge of multitasking) I think I'm ok wasting some minutes for the installation |
11:09.48 | StoBrendo | instead of losing some hours/days in writing something else |
11:11.15 | KatolaZ | StoBrendo: ? |
11:11.20 | KatolaZ | writing what? |
11:11.30 | KatolaZ | debootstrap is there |
11:12.36 | StoBrendo | I haven't thought not even for a second it would work. Thus, not in the plan from time 0 |
11:12.56 | StoBrendo | If you want something done right, write it xP |
11:15.17 | StoBrendo | ( or read / customize / mix / write , to be more precise ) |
11:16.52 | KatolaZ | well StoBrendo you are free to do whatever you want with your time :) |
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12:21.02 | edbarx | Can someone help please? I have a list of object files (.o files produced by g++) and cannot link them into an executable. I am getting a huge list of undefined reference errors although I succeeded to compile all source files with g++ -c |
12:21.55 | edbarx | I am trying to compile OpenHantek digital oscilloscope software. |
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12:23.34 | detha | edbarx: -lxxx switches missing? |
12:24.57 | edbarx | Probably. OpenHantek is Qt5 based. I am using a list of -I/path/to/headers for qt widgets etc. |
12:33.04 | gnu_srs | add -L to the libraries |
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18:00.05 | AntoFox | o/ |
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18:15.40 | Ponchale | Hi people |
18:17.52 | telst4r | hi. |
18:20.05 | golinux | Hi |
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19:11.42 | AntoFox | in a short time(I hope) and upload java-make and amule on hezeh.org |
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19:20.18 | Ponchale | jaromil: Centurion_Dan I already sent the email to Jaromil and you. |
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20:08.53 | Centurion_Dan | Ponchale: I've Seen and read it! ;-) |
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20:21.06 | Ponchale | Centurion_Dan: What do you think about it? |
20:22.03 | Centurion_Dan | It looks good to me, but I don't want to pre-empt jaromils consideration of it. |
20:32.03 | Ponchale | Of course I understand, you could complement or feedback the proposal so we can make it more solid |
20:33.08 | golinux | Yea! you finally connected!! |
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20:42.11 | AntoFox | what we talking about?? o.O |
20:43.26 | golinux | Not much today. |
20:56.45 | Centurion_Dan | AntoFox: Ask Ponchale about what they're up to and where they feel they have synergies with Devuan ;-) |
20:57.33 | Centurion_Dan | happy for discussion to take place but I have to go move tonnes of firewood in the rain :-/ |
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21:09.01 | AlexLikeRock | i like Freedom |
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23:51.56 | aitor | edbarx: read here |
23:51.58 | aitor | https://github.com/OpenHantek/openhantek/blob/master/readme.md |
23:56.40 | aitor | this is the same method used in bulmages |