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| 01:20.09 | *** topic/#devuan is beta2 is out: http://ur1.ca/q572u ** https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 01:52.24 | craigbass76 | Does Devuan have unstable branches like Debian? |
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| 01:53.38 | golinux | Yes. ascii = stretch and ceres = sid |
| 01:54.29 | golinux | craigbass76: ^^^ |
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| 08:12.12 | epitamizor | hey all just curious as analogy devuan would be what funtoo is to gentoo? |
| 08:13.12 | gnarface | interesting |
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| 08:22.44 | mystified | hey guys have an old hp-1320 laserjet printer.. Just broke the usb terminal.. |
| 08:23.07 | mystified | how to configure as a network printer |
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| 08:25.28 | aitor | hi, mystified: i have a HP-p1102w, but i print from my phone |
| 08:27.13 | mystified | network 10/100 |
| 08:28.18 | gnarface | there is probably a web interface |
| 08:28.20 | gnarface | check the manual |
| 08:28.26 | gnarface | you can probably just surf to it with a web browser |
| 08:28.46 | gnarface | either that or maybe look at cups docs, maybe someone has written a howto |
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| 10:28.32 | aitor | parrazyd, are you there? |
| 10:28.39 | aitor | parazyd |
| 10:28.57 | parazyd | yep |
| 10:28.59 | parazyd | hi |
| 10:29.02 | aitor | hi |
| 10:29.27 | aitor | i downloaded linux-libre-4.4.52 from fsfla: |
| 10:30.12 | aitor | http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/LATEST-4.4.N/ |
| 10:30.27 | aitor | linux-heads is 4.4.45, isn't it? |
| 10:30.49 | aitor | there is no build/gcc folder in 4.4.52 |
| 10:30.59 | aitor | neither in 4.3, neither in 4.6 |
| 10:31.08 | aitor | did you add it accidentally? |
| 10:31.28 | parazyd | yes, i'm going to update these days to 4.4.52 (or newer if there is one) |
| 10:31.31 | aitor | sorry i'm referring to "tools/gcc" |
| 10:32.06 | aitor | there are a lot: 4.10 |
| 10:32.25 | aitor | you added aufs4-standalone, good! |
| 10:32.50 | parazyd | tools/gcc come in with grsecurity |
| 10:33.08 | parazyd | keep in mind if you apply grsec to linux-libre you will end up with an optional blob |
| 10:33.09 | aitor | ok, thats the reason, thanks |
| 10:33.26 | parazyd | so you should apply grsec to vanilla, and then deblob |
| 10:33.36 | aitor | ok |
| 10:33.52 | jaromil | master myagi says: put the wax, remove the wax, put the wax, remove the wax..... :^D |
| 10:34.02 | parazyd | oh and i'm keeping 4.4 since that's a longterm stable kernel |
| 10:34.08 | parazyd | no point in going for 4.10 yet |
| 10:34.24 | aitor | yes, i know, 4.4 is LLS |
| 10:34.29 | aitor | LTS |
| 10:34.33 | parazyd | indeed |
| 10:35.12 | aitor | tools/gcc is one of the folders giving me problems during the packaging |
| 10:35.25 | parazyd | it's gcc plugins |
| 10:35.28 | aitor | but i'll try |
| 10:35.33 | parazyd | make sure you have them as a package |
| 10:35.44 | parazyd | gcc-4.9-plugin-dev |
| 10:35.51 | aitor | it's added |
| 10:36.06 | aitor | i added it for grsec |
| 10:38.40 | aitor | need to go, see you later :) |
| 10:38.55 | parazyd | o/ |
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| 19:08.00 | chimneygee | hello, can I join you in celebrating in freedom and justice? |
| 19:08.14 | chimneygee | I have laptop hotkeys that I would like to work properly |
| 19:09.19 | chimneygee | what do I do in order to fix them? |
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| 19:29.57 | chimneygee | How do I get my laptop brightness settings to work? |
| 19:36.34 | hellekin | chimneygee: it mostly depends on the model of your laptop. There are a few web sites that gather configuration info for specific models, such as linuxlaptops thinkwiki etc. Searching for 'linux' and your model should bring you there. |
| 19:37.01 | chimneygee | I have some doubts about that, Toshiba L300D series is not especially popular |
| 19:37.12 | chimneygee | I think the main issue, having looked into it, is lacking a power manager for LXDE |
| 19:37.27 | chimneygee | every other desktop environment has a power manager of some kind in the repositories |
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| 19:40.25 | chimneygee | actually the arch wiki doesn't mention laptop hotkeys or brightness settings for power manager: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pm-utils |
| 19:40.49 | chimneygee | so I don't know what I'm missing in order to fix it. I've installed xkeybindings, but I don't know how to implement it |
| 19:43.32 | muep | in a window manager that does not provide backlight control out of the box, I have bound a command like "xbacklight + 10" to a key |
| 19:44.07 | hellekin | chimneygee: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Toshiba_Satellite_L300 among many others... |
| 19:44.34 | chimneygee | L300 is the intel chipset, L300D is AMD based... |
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| 19:48.10 | chimneygee | hey I think Fn+F10 works (I think scroll lock?) but brightness does not |
| 19:49.04 | chimneygee | it looks like the intel article might be relevant after all |
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| 20:12.56 | aitor | hi |
| 20:13.12 | aitor | my toshiba is a Satellite C660 |
| 20:14.26 | aitor | i have a second handed older one, but it drops in pieces (sometimes i use it, nevertheless) |
| 20:23.41 | aitor | tonight i'll upload a new image of gnuinos: |
| 20:24.39 | aitor | Server 64 bits + linux-libre-4.3.5 + VDEV + Simple-Netaid (backend) |
| 20:28.21 | aitor | now i'm building linux-libre-4.4.45 (without grsec, at the time being), downloaded from: |
| 20:28.22 | aitor | http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/releases/4.4.45-gnu/ |
| 20:29.27 | KatolaZ | thanks aitor! |
| 20:29.29 | aitor | this is the first step for the installer of heads :) |
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| 20:31.13 | NewGnuGuy | aitor: Is gnuinos being made with inclusion in fsf's free distro list in mind? |
| 20:31.25 | aitor | yes |
| 20:31.33 | NewGnuGuy | :) |
| 20:31.46 | aitor | what must i do with the license? |
| 20:31.59 | NewGnuGuy | ? |
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| 20:33.23 | NewGnuGuy | Just so long as all the code is released under free licenses, you should be fine. |
| 20:33.52 | aitor | ok |
| 20:34.42 | aitor | need to go, i am in a hurry !! |
| 20:34.46 | aitor | :) |
| 20:43.08 | fsmithred | chimneygee, I use the following on my satellite: xrandr --output $monitor1 --brightness "$bright1" (bright is a decimal, like 0.5 for half-bright) |
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| 21:54.50 | wulllst | could it be that there's somewhting wrong with how dependencies of the lxde package in devuan are being handled? |
| 21:55.36 | wulllst | i'm trying to purge lxde and thought it would go nicely through apt-get purge lxde and then apt-get autoremove --purge |
| 21:56.03 | wulllst | instead it seem you have to remove every component manually |
| 22:01.15 | NewGnuGuy | wulllst: I think the lxde package may just be a metapackage. |
| 22:01.33 | wulllst | NewGnuGuy: seem so |
| 22:02.07 | wulllst | NewGnuGuy: but i had installed lxde-core manually before. |
| 22:03.07 | NewGnuGuy | wulllst: Does apt-get autoremove work? |
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| 22:03.57 | wulllst | NewGnuGuy: well the thing is, removing lxde or lxde-core doesn't render any packages removable through apt-get autoremove |
| 22:04.25 | NewGnuGuy | hmm |
| 22:05.00 | wulllst | NewGnuGuy: i mean, there are packages like lxinput and lxappearance and lxrandr that you really would have to find through dpkg to manually get rid of them. that's not exactly comfortable, is it? |
| 22:06.23 | NewGnuGuy | I usually use Synaptic to add and remove packages in bulk. You might try apt install synaptic |
| 22:07.44 | NewGnuGuy | or try: |
| 22:07.46 | NewGnuGuy | dpkg -l | grep lx |
| 22:10.41 | rrq | so inclined, you can inspect dependencies with "apt-cache rdepends blah" and "apt-cache depends blah" ; it doesn't tell "why" though. |
| 22:11.07 | wulllst | NewGnuGuy: right, i think i've now purged everyhting lxde. as for the dpkg command, i went with "dpkg -l lxde*" and "dpkg -l *lx*". |
| 22:11.46 | wulllst | rrq: thanks for the hint |
| 22:15.12 | wulllst | NewGnuGuy: i usually don't use synaptic or any graphical package manager as i'm usually working on more or less diy-assembled minimal desktop environments. |
| 22:22.18 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep lx |
| 22:22.25 | fsmithred | you'll find more that way |
| 22:23.38 | fsmithred | nm, didn't see the star |
| 22:25.02 | wulllst | well, grep would probably also look through the package descriptions, which, i suppose, dpkg itself doesn't do |
| 22:25.42 | fsmithred | my way picks up unrelated stuff, like glx |
| 22:27.26 | wulllst | dpkg -l *lx* would do that too |
| 22:30.25 | fsmithred | grep would only look at what dpkg gave it in my command above |
| 22:31.23 | fsmithred | and only shows what's installed |
| 22:38.36 | wulllst | fsmithred: dpkg -l [searchpattern] also shows stuff not installed. so the grep variant is the way to go for that i was trying to do |
| 22:42.03 | fsmithred | any idea what the 'un' means at the beginning of the line? |
| 22:42.21 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: where? |
| 22:42.59 | fsmithred | in the output of 'dpkg -l <pattern>' on packages that are not installed |
| 22:43.09 | wulllst | fsmithred: refering to dpkg, i think that is packaged not installed. |
| 22:43.45 | fsmithred | un= U Not have this package? |
| 22:44.03 | KatolaZ | the first letter is the "desired" state |
| 22:44.14 | KatolaZ | the second letter is the current state |
| 22:44.18 | wulllst | fsmithred: maybe U (uninstalled) or N (not installed) |
| 22:44.20 | fsmithred | cool thanks |
| 22:44.24 | KatolaZ | "u" means "unknown" |
| 22:44.34 | wulllst | KatolaZ: ok |
| 22:44.44 | KatolaZ | "n" in the secont letter means that the package is not installed |
| 22:44.55 | KatolaZ | https://linuxprograms.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/status-dpkg-list/ |
| 22:45.01 | KatolaZ | this might be useful, maybe |
| 22:45.22 | KatolaZ | this behaviour is reminiscent of the old functioning of dpkg |
| 22:45.27 | KatolaZ | before dselect |
| 22:45.36 | KatolaZ | as I have had the opportunity to discover recently |
| 22:45.46 | KatolaZ | by using debian 0.91 for a while :D |
| 22:45.56 | KatolaZ | I am putting online the qemu image |
| 22:46.05 | fsmithred | wow, *before* dselect? |
| 22:46.06 | KatolaZ | it's a quite instructive exercise to use it |
| 22:46.16 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: yes, before dselect |
| 22:46.22 | fsmithred | I remember (not fondly) dselect. |
| 22:46.34 | KatolaZ | you won't recognise the first dpkg |
| 22:46.48 | KatolaZ | I have good memories of dselect :) |
| 22:46.55 | KatolaZ | and sometimes I still use it |
| 22:47.05 | fsmithred | well, you probably didn't try to use it the same way as the suse installer |
| 22:47.28 | fsmithred | to pick a bunch of extra packages to install during the initial installation |
| 22:47.54 | KatolaZ | well, if you know how to get around, dselect can be very handy |
| 22:47.56 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 22:48.02 | fsmithred | yeah, I believe you |
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| 22:48.27 | KatolaZ | but I must admit it's a bit "primitive" |
| 22:48.29 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 22:48.59 | KatolaZ | brw, I am working on a little "conservation project" |
| 22:49.13 | KatolaZ | to put online qemu/virtualbox images of old Linux installations |
| 22:49.18 | fsmithred | cool |
| 22:49.26 | KatolaZ | (by old I mean before 1995) |
| 22:49.39 | KatolaZ | nothing useful |
| 22:49.42 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 22:49.43 | fsmithred | oh, I'm a newbie - I started with woody |
| 22:50.13 | KatolaZ | I am a newbie as well :) |
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| 23:02.53 | wulllst | i started with sarge, if i remember that right |
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| 23:08.01 | fsmithred | wulllst, if you remember upgrading from sarge to etch, then you should remember the transition from xfree86 to xorg. |
| 23:08.23 | fsmithred | or maybe, like me, you remember reinstalling |
| 23:11.34 | wulllst | fsmithred: well, there was some ubuntu and suse stuff happening inbetween, so i probably made a fresh install back then. |
| 23:13.38 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
| 23:13.48 | fsmithred | hi |
| 23:14.36 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: if you have time we can discuss specifics on fixing desktop-base and xfce4-* packages on #devuan-dev |
| 23:15.20 | parazyd | is here, accepting suggestions/questions |
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| 23:18.57 | fsmithred | yes |
| 23:19.04 | golinux | YEA! |
| 23:19.06 | fsmithred | sorry, was on another desktop |
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| 23:44.01 | aitor | #devuan-dev! |
| 23:44.26 | aitor | another irc channel in spanish? |
| 23:44.55 | aitor | another bluff? |
| 23:46.21 | parazyd | #¿devuan-dev¡ |
| 23:46.33 | fsmithred | aitor, I think we're speaking english over there |
| 23:46.51 | fsmithred | oh, not there |
| 23:49.42 | aitor | time to bed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX3yVFZJTG0 |
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