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| 01:13.58 | AlexLikeRock | help mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 25 was not an MTP device |
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| 02:22.09 | AlexLikeRock | helpç |
| 02:22.11 | AlexLikeRock | help |
| 02:22.22 | AlexLikeRock | any voluntier? |
| 02:30.47 | AlexLikeRock | can i delete "/usr/lib/systemd/" ? |
| 02:32.35 | Centurion_Dan | to what end? |
| 02:33.36 | gnarface | vengeance! |
| 02:33.47 | golinux | I don't even have that installed. Hoe did you get it? |
| 02:33.58 | golinux | *how |
| 02:34.56 | gnarface | i have it on ceres but not jessie |
| 02:35.46 | gnarface | as the ceres system was an upgrade from debian, it's unclear whether it would have been there otherwise |
| 02:36.16 | gnarface | dpkg -S does list ... dozens of packages as having files in there though |
| 02:37.09 | gnarface | udev |
| 02:37.10 | Centurion_Dan | then the answer is clearly no, and it seems that we'll have many more infected packages to clean up for ascii... |
| 02:37.14 | gnarface | cups-daemon |
| 02:37.17 | gnarface | openss-client |
| 02:37.21 | gnarface | it goes on |
| 02:37.54 | gnarface | they seem to be mostly .service or .socket files, with a couple .wants files |
| 02:37.56 | Centurion_Dan | I'm thinking seriously of doing a source level full fork and build for all debian packages in ascii |
| 02:39.27 | Centurion_Dan | It is the only way to move away from being at the mercy of debian devs and their incessant desire to infect everything with systemd! |
| 02:39.49 | AlexLikeRock | i migrate from debian strech |
| 02:40.22 | gnarface | Centurion_Dan: despite that i lack the qualifications or authority to make that call myself, i've long felt it would probably have to come to that |
| 02:41.02 | gnarface | Centurion_Dan: it's really only a matter of time before their patches become hostile |
| 02:41.14 | Centurion_Dan | AlexLikeRock: when /usr/lib/systemd is empty you can delete it as we'll then have fully cleaned everything. |
| 02:41.40 | AlexLikeRock | tanks |
| 02:42.35 | AlexLikeRock | what its difference of FUSE and AFUSE ? need install both ? |
| 02:42.43 | AlexLikeRock | or only one ? |
| 02:42.56 | Centurion_Dan | gnarface: there are a couple of hostile debian dev's already, but I don't yet know how deep that goes. |
| 02:43.37 | Centurion_Dan | I think if we get the core platform systemd free, many debian maintainers will bring their packages across themselves. |
| 02:44.55 | gnarface | they've already managed to cripple xinput support in Steam through udev updates |
| 02:46.06 | gnarface | it would be nice to see that fixed in vdev |
| 02:46.25 | gnarface | i don't see any will to do so coming from the 3rd party game developers though |
| 02:46.30 | AlexLikeRock | golinux, help |
| 02:46.38 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:46.52 | gnarface | but it would definitely not hurt adoption if devuan was *fully* steamos compatible |
| 02:48.01 | gnarface | (since even debian unstable no longer is, due to this) |
| 02:49.14 | golinux | AlexLikeRock: try pmount |
| 02:49.31 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.57 | AlexLikeRock | done |
| 02:51.00 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:51.05 | AlexLikeRock | what next ? |
| 02:51.50 | golinux | Read man pmount |
| 02:51.51 | AlexLikeRock | reboot ? |
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| 02:52.48 | golinux | AlexLikeRock: This isn't windows ;) |
| 02:53.00 | AlexLikeRock | of course |
| 02:53.16 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.23 | golinux | Why? |
| 02:54.57 | golinux | never has to restart a service |
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| 02:57.27 | AlexLikeRock | invoke.-rc ?? |
| 02:57.30 | AlexLikeRock | :-p |
| 02:57.43 | AlexLikeRock | i forget commad |
| 02:58.46 | AlexLikeRock | golinux, |
| 02:58.56 | AlexLikeRock | " pmount will allow users to additionally mount all devices that are listed here." |
| 02:59.04 | AlexLikeRock | this its a manual instalation |
| 03:00.35 | AlexLikeRock | i need somting like "AFUSE" |
| 03:00.54 | AlexLikeRock | automatic |
| 03:03.28 | AlexLikeRock | welll |
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| 03:03.43 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:03.59 | fsmithred | AlexLikeRock, 'pmount <device>' |
| 03:04.21 | fsmithred | what desktop are you using? |
| 03:04.34 | AlexLikeRock | what its the add-on to PCMANFM ? |
| 03:04.43 | AlexLikeRock | im using LXDE |
| 03:04.58 | fsmithred | udisks? |
| 03:06.17 | fsmithred | have you looked at this? https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=92 |
| 03:08.06 | AlexLikeRock | i have problems with "USB3" |
| 03:08.11 | AlexLikeRock | just remove " rmmod ehci_hcd " |
| 03:08.14 | AlexLikeRock | and solved |
| 03:08.43 | fsmithred | what was the problem? |
| 03:13.41 | AlexLikeRock | not appear external HDD at PCMANFM |
| 03:19.42 | fsmithred | did you install udisks? |
| 03:20.18 | fsmithred | pcmanfm works fine here |
| 03:20.27 | fsmithred | unless I remove udisks |
| 03:29.56 | AlexLikeRock | let mee check |
| 03:31.23 | AlexLikeRock | ii got hour figting with "auto mount USB FAT32 and NTFS |
| 03:31.44 | AlexLikeRock | i remove ans install several times many programs :-P |
| 03:31.51 | AlexLikeRock | i got instaled |
| 03:32.00 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.24 | AlexLikeRock | done |
| 03:32.35 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.40 | AlexLikeRock | any suggestion ? |
| 03:32.48 | fsmithred | what does not appear? |
| 03:33.15 | AlexLikeRock | EXTERNAL HDD and pendrive |
| 03:34.32 | fsmithred | you restarted pcmanfm after reinstalling udisks? |
| 03:34.47 | fsmithred | and maybe unplug/replug drive |
| 03:42.29 | AlexLikeRock | yes |
| 03:43.03 | AlexLikeRock | well |
| 03:43.19 | AlexLikeRock | i wan a work with CAJA |
| 03:43.32 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.35 | AlexLikeRock | :-) |
| 03:43.43 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.48 | fsmithred | good luck |
| 03:43.49 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:59.05 | Xenguy_ | ggtyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyvrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 07:59.21 | Xenguy_ | ";2~$%%%% """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" |
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| 08:57.53 | aitor | Xenguy_: jokes don't give credits |
| 08:58.13 | aitor | i tried hardly in the past and i still have 0 credits |
| 09:00.30 | aitor | i get the following bug in TriOS: |
| 09:00.32 | aitor | libudev-dev : Depends: libudev1 (= 215-17+deb8u6) but 220:3.1.2-3+trios1 is to be installed |
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| 09:01.53 | aitor | i'll have a look at the control file |
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| 09:05.43 | aitor | Oops!! I removed the repository of trios... My fault :) |
| 09:09.08 | aitor | i see a cnc folder in the repo |
| 09:09.24 | aitor | seems to be related with computer numerical controls: |
| 09:09.34 | aitor | http://mirror.org.rs/trios/mia/pool/ |
| 09:15.33 | aitor | added: |
| 09:15.36 | aitor | deb http://mirror.org.rs/trios/mia/ mia main |
| 09:16.23 | aitor | see you later |
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| 13:18.50 | telst4r | how about shapeshift.io it? |
| 13:19.12 | jeepingben | too small. 0.02xmr. I was playing around mining. |
| 13:21.13 | telst4r | Ah, okay. since I'm no dev-1 dev I don't have any saying on that. |
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| 22:37.45 | fsmithred | Wow, I never got this one before: |
| 22:37.48 | fsmithred | dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/login_1%3a4.2-3+deb8u3_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 22:37.48 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:38.30 | fsmithred | yeah, it's busy 'cause I'm root right now. |
| 22:39.24 | DeFender1031 | hahahahahaha |
| 22:39.31 | DeFender1031 | oh dear. |
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| 22:45.11 | fsmithred | I tried dropping to console and logging in as root |
| 22:45.34 | fsmithred | that didn't help |
| 22:45.37 | fsmithred | so... |
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| 22:45.50 | fsmithred | aptitude hold login && aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 22:45.58 | fsmithred | until someone gives me a better idea |
| 22:46.07 | fsmithred | and now I have to reboot for the kernel upgrade |
| 22:46.10 | fsmithred | brb |
| 22:47.12 | Xenguy | Has anyone else gotten updates for: login passwd |
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| 22:53.01 | Xenguy | hey fsmithred , have you gotten updates for login and passwd recently? |
| 22:53.18 | fsmithred | ok, that was kinda weird. I rebooted, then 'aptitude unhold login' and 'aptitude full-upgrade' and it worked |
| 22:53.41 | fsmithred | Xenguy, did you read what I posted about 10 minutes ago? |
| 22:53.46 | Xenguy | No |
| 22:53.59 | fsmithred | check botbot |
| 22:54.07 | fsmithred | and to answer your question, Yes |
| 22:54.20 | Xenguy | I wonder if it has anything to do with aptitude (vs. apt-get) ? |
| 22:54.34 | Xenguy | I see it now |
| 22:54.41 | fsmithred | no, because I tried apt-get dist-upgrade first |
| 22:54.47 | Xenguy | huh |
| 22:55.01 | fsmithred | then switched to aptitude to see if there were more options |
| 22:55.25 | Xenguy | I didn't recall seeing any updates to those on the debian security mailing list, or w/e |
| 22:55.31 | Xenguy | So I thought I'd ask here first |
| 22:55.54 | Xenguy | Maybe I deleted the emails, not sure |
| 22:56.17 | fsmithred | every upgrade gets listed there? |
| 22:57.15 | Xenguy | Usually I'll see some security missive on the mailing list, and then I'll see it when I do: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -s |
| 22:57.34 | Xenguy | But this time I don't recall seeing it on the mailing list |
| 22:58.01 | Xenguy | And now you're having hiccups when trying to upgrade, so not sure what to think |
| 22:58.59 | DeFender1031 | Xenguy, yeah, i also got updates for login, passwd. Haven't attempted to install yet though. |
| 22:59.01 | Xenguy | login and passwd do seem somewhat fundamental |
| 22:59.06 | fsmithred | ok, I went to the mailing list archive, and it's there |
| 22:59.16 | fsmithred | so I went to packages.debian.org and looked up login |
| 22:59.16 | Xenguy | DeFender1031: via email/mailing list? |
| 22:59.32 | Xenguy | Oh good, thanks fsmithred |
| 22:59.38 | fsmithred | and the changelog is not found |
| 22:59.43 | Xenguy | oh |
| 22:59.45 | DeFender1031 | Xenguy, via whatever it is that pops up upgrades in my system tray occasionally |
| 22:59.59 | fsmithred | for jessie it shows 1:4.2-3+deb8u3 [security]: |
| 23:00.44 | Xenguy | DeFender1031: OK, that is functionally equivalent to: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade -s |
| 23:01.00 | DeFender1031 | what's -s? |
| 23:01.06 | Xenguy | 'simulate' |
| 23:01.17 | DeFender1031 | ah, interesting. |
| 23:01.20 | Xenguy | It shows what the system would do, but doesn't do it |
| 23:01.23 | DeFender1031 | right |
| 23:01.44 | DeFender1031 | and yeah, it seems odd that fundamental packages like that would be getting upgraded |
| 23:01.53 | fsmithred | I like to use aptitude -s to check - the output is easier to read |
| 23:02.03 | Digit | looking around, websearch failing me, is there a devuan social contract available online? or even a starting stub in place, welcoming input? just some url, where it will be / where it's happening? |
| 23:02.17 | Xenguy | I respect aptitude, but have stuck with apt-get |
| 23:02.45 | Xenguy | For historical reasons |
| 23:04.39 | Xenguy | Digit: Devuan probably doesn't even need a SC, as they are so chill already :) |
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| 23:08.03 | fsmithred | no changelog in the package |
| 23:08.04 | Digit | just been re-watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvyOGawNwo where it's mentioned a devuan social contract will be coming. "there is an open process in making a social contract that should be very close to that of debian, but contemplate also its limits." |
| 23:08.29 | fsmithred | Digit, there hasn't been any discussion of that in a long time |
| 23:08.42 | Xenguy | recommends Free Speech minus Hate Speech ... |
| 23:08.52 | Xenguy | That's all that should be necessary |
| 23:09.10 | Xenguy | "Tolerance of all, save intolerance" |
| 23:09.20 | Xenguy | Lather, rinse, repeat |
| 23:10.53 | fsmithred | why is there no changelog for login? |
| 23:11.26 | Xenguy | I'm curious myself |
| 23:15.20 | fsmithred | same for passwd |
| 23:17.01 | Xenguy | Strange, all I can tell you is my spider sense tingled when I saw the update; glad I asked here I suppose |
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| 23:21.43 | fsmithred | is contemplating a reboot to live media |
| 23:22.52 | Xenguy | I myself have deferred the update, until some later time |
| 23:23.27 | fsmithred | I can't find any recent bug reports on either package |
| 23:28.31 | Xenguy | back |
| 23:29.03 | Xenguy | Well the last thing I want to do is sound some false alarm... |
| 23:29.46 | Xenguy | But I will go so far as to say, based on what I'm reading, this update seems a little irregular, if you will |
| 23:30.29 | Xenguy | Maybe someone in the #debian community might offer some details? |
| 23:31.07 | fsmithred | I'm getting the same error trying to downgrade to older packages in archive |
| 23:31.16 | fsmithred | can't replace /bin/su because it's busy |
| 23:31.30 | Xenguy | Seems odd, generally |
| 23:32.42 | fsmithred | nothing on debian-user since Feb 11 |
| 23:35.47 | Xenguy | hrm, does anyone on the team have connections with debian anymore? |
| 23:36.29 | Xenguy | Maybe just go straight to the horse's mouth, as they say |
| 23:36.42 | fsmithred | just did |
| 23:37.01 | fsmithred | posted on #debian to see if anyone else got that message |
| 23:37.04 | fsmithred | no answer yet |
| 23:37.18 | Xenguy | thanks for floating that |
| 23:37.30 | Xenguy | communication is good |
| 23:55.41 | fsmithred | bb in a few minutes |
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