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| 00:54.28 | ol1garchy | evening gents, how is everyone doing? |
| 00:56.16 | Xenguy | doing alright, you? |
| 00:57.41 | ol1garchy | Could be better, cmake is using an outdated version of clang and I can't get it working so I guess I can't have polybar.. |
| 00:58.27 | Xenguy | I've been exploring pandoc a bit, and looking at some JS tutorials |
| 01:00.40 | Xenguy | BTW I've been meaning to ask: has anyone here done a Debian Wheezy -> Devuan Jessie online upgrade, and if so, were there any hiccups along the way? |
| 01:00.54 | Xenguy | polls... ^^^ |
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| 01:07.38 | fsmithred | wheezy to devuan jessie can be easy or difficult, depending on how much gnome stuff is installed |
| 01:08.15 | fsmithred | I've installed a minimal wheezy and upgraded, and there were no issues. Easier than going to debian jessie. |
| 01:08.49 | Xenguy | I started to avoid Gnome with the advent of version 3. Basically I switched the DE to LXDE, so hopefully that will help. |
| 01:09.43 | Xenguy | Yeah that was one of my questions: should I go directly from Debian Wheezy -> Devuan Jessie... |
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| 01:10.12 | Xenguy | or instead go Deb Wheezy -> Deb Jessie --> Devuan Jessie |
| 01:10.20 | Xenguy | The latter seems rather convoluted |
| 01:10.32 | fsmithred | I would not do that |
| 01:10.46 | Xenguy | So was hoping I could just kick out the jams and do the direct version upgrade from Debian to Devuan |
| 01:10.46 | fsmithred | I think it would be a lot more difficult |
| 01:11.08 | Xenguy | Yeah it seems a bad idea |
| 01:11.29 | fsmithred | you'd end up changing the init system twice |
| 01:11.32 | Xenguy | Besides going to Deb Jessie would infect things with systemd I suppose |
| 01:11.39 | Xenguy | yeah |
| 01:11.39 | fsmithred | instead of just upgrading the same one |
| 01:12.17 | Xenguy | OK, well I look forward to any and all trip reports from any folks here who've crossed that bridge... |
| 01:12.35 | Xenguy | I have to do further research too before migrating |
| 01:13.04 | Xenguy | tx fsmithred for the feedback |
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| 01:17.34 | fsmithred | check dng mailing list for reports about upgrades |
| 01:17.50 | fsmithred | pretty sure there have been a few in the past year |
| 01:18.09 | fsmithred | and dev1fanboy's upgrade guide |
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| 01:18.36 | Xenguy | OK, appreciate the pointers (I assume the mailing lists are archived somewhere) |
| 01:18.43 | fsmithred | yes |
| 01:19.07 | fsmithred | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/dng.en.html |
| 01:19.15 | Xenguy | nice, tx |
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| 01:34.57 | Xenguy | tx fsmithred , my cup runneth over |
| 01:41.54 | Xenguy | fsmithred: Looks very good; when I am ready for this migration I'll likely follow this path, but try installing MATE instead of XFCE. |
| 01:43.14 | Xenguy | Looks like shorewall is still part of debian/devuan, so that's good/crucial |
| 01:44.04 | fsmithred | 99% of the packages are unchanged from debian |
| 01:44.06 | Xenguy | I anticipate some shorewall housekeeping, as they seem fond of requiring changes when upgrading |
| 01:44.46 | fsmithred | there are notes about mate at dev1galaxy.org and at refracta.freeforums.org |
| 01:44.52 | Xenguy | Anyhow, looks quite doable AFAICT |
| 01:45.04 | fsmithred | yeah, it is. |
| 01:45.06 | Xenguy | Thanks again |
| 01:45.10 | fsmithred | yw |
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| 03:59.27 | AlexLikeRock | MATE its more update |
| 03:59.32 | AlexLikeRock | than XFCE |
| 04:39.02 | dog_ | mate on devuan ? that sound like trouble |
| 04:39.27 | dog_ | AlexLikeRock: you probably meant "more modern"? |
| 04:39.40 | AlexLikeRock | no |
| 04:39.47 | AlexLikeRock | its more active |
| 04:40.00 | AlexLikeRock | resolven bugs too faster |
| 04:40.39 | dog_ | well , afaik , it's not in the main devuan tree , but you can get it installed |
| 04:41.18 | dog_ | but mate is heavily dependent on gnome , so I can see trouble there |
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| 08:19.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/02/08/dhs_wants_enhanced_digital_vetting/ |
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| 09:31.00 | AntoFox | morning! |
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| 09:45.23 | Hestben | Good morning |
| 09:45.35 | Hestben | DocScrutinizer05: Nice welcome from the US |
| 09:45.53 | Hestben | DocScrutinizer05: Oh, you forgot your login credentials, you cannot enter this country |
| 09:56.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | Hestben: I wonder how they will decide which accounts they ask the passwords for from me |
| 09:57.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | e.g. I have no farcebook account at all, do I need to create one so I can share the credentials to homeland security |
| 09:58.12 | Hestben | DocScrutinizer05: Well, the article only says they will check people from the 7 countries targeted. Are you a citizen of any of them? But, I guess they would probably want to expand it to all travelers in the future. |
| 09:58.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | then otoh I have a server, and I wonder how they ever will tell |
| 09:59.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | the article also suspects it won't take long until this practice will spread to more than those 7 |
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| 10:01.26 | Hestben | DocScrutinizer05: I fear that too |
| 10:01.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway " ssh -i <( grep -a -A99 begin ~/pictures/goatse.jpg | uudecode) myserver.com" (note the space at start of line, stopping log in .bash_history) |
| 10:02.19 | Hestben | Maybe this is a more of an debianofftopic topic |
| 10:03.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | ssh? really? |
| 10:04.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | though not exactly devuan specific, it at least shows nicely why you prefer a linux distro on your smartphone over anything else |
| 10:05.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | wget http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/13/Test.jpg -O -|grep -a -A99 begin |uudecode ;;# http://paste.opensuse.org/97554917 |
| 10:07.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | of course I don't suggest to publish your private key on wstaw,org, but hiding it in a jpg on your device for sure is an alternative, so you don't give away you got an account and a password to unlock the privkey |
| 10:07.37 | Hestben | DocScrutinizer05: Sorry, meant the previous topic ;) |
| 10:08.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, for me the two are related, I started pondering when I read about US customs asking for my passwords |
| 10:08.37 | Hestben | That is an intriguing idea to use an jpeg as key-file. |
| 10:09.20 | Hestben | On that topic, you can be detained for 6 months if you refuse to give out encryption keys for any storage device you bring into the UK |
| 10:09.48 | Hestben | Thus, if you forget your password, you could be jailed entering the UK |
| 10:10.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but they can't force you to explain to them where to look for data ;-) |
| 10:11.26 | Hestben | plausible deniability is an interesting topic as well. |
| 10:11.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, very important |
| 10:12.11 | Hestben | Using hidden volumes and stuff. I guess it would be very hard to implement a really rigorous encryption behaviour |
| 10:12.37 | Hestben | I am happy I don't have any government after me (not that I know of anyway) |
| 10:14.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | apropos, loosely related: alias uhls=':(){ echo `readlink -f $1`; mkdir /tmp/uh && mount --bind / /tmp/uh && pushd /tmp/uh && ls -lR `readlink -f $1` && popd && umount /tmp/uh && rmdir /tmp/uh; };:' |
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| 10:16.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | for those nasty files hidden under a mountpoint |
| 10:17.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | uh like unhide |
| 10:33.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((intriguing idea to use an jpeg)) the particularly nice part is that it still works as a jpg picture, and you can't simply deduce the 'correct' filesize from resolution etc thanks to jpg compression. So anything atached is relatively unlikely to cause an eyebrow rise when somebody looks at it |
| 10:35.20 | Hestben | Yeah, another interesting technique is steganography. |
| 10:35.50 | Hestben | But that is for when you send information to other parties. |
| 10:38.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and you need tools to decode/reveal data, which may cause above mentioned eyebrow to rise |
| 10:39.26 | Hestben | Anyway, there was a very sophisticated javascript attack I heard about last autumn, where a picture was downloaded from a third party site, that didn't raise any eyebrows from AV software, but included in the picture was a stenographically encoded encrypted binare malware that was decrypted and then executed. |
| 10:39.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ssh and busybox are both not very suspicious, so ssh -i <( grep -a -A99 begin ~/pictures/goatse.jpg | uudecode) isn't introducing problems in that regard |
| 10:40.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, you'd need the decryption and execution stub though for such attack |
| 10:41.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | javascript, hmmm |
| 10:41.24 | Hestben | DocScrutinizer05: I don't remember the details, but it was really working |
| 10:41.48 | Hestben | Against such attacks, we're really f*cked. |
| 10:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you sandbox your browser and forbid friggin JS |
| 10:42.21 | detha | That |
| 10:43.19 | detha | Someone's rant the other day: 'A browser is for displaying things, it is not a VM host' |
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| 11:28.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | to the point :-D |
| 11:30.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas even devuan git needs JS enabled or forget about it :-S |
| 11:32.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | and to makie matters worse, for no obvious benefit |
| 11:32.41 | syco_ | :] |
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| 12:01.14 | jaromil | DocScrutinizer05: we are very open to suggestions as more than one of us are contemplating alternative solutions. Centurion_Dan mentioned to scale down to a minimal approach adopting gitolite at the core of the infra and building upon it, I'm also curious about gogs (does that requires js?) |
| 12:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: sorry, total git noob here |
| 12:03.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: did you see my note about broken / missing links? |
| 12:03.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-02-12 Sun 05:48:02] <DocScrutinizer05> also https://devuan.org/os/documentation/faq/ but obviously with broken links |
| 12:05.06 | jaromil | i see it now. may I ask what prevents you from fixing it yourself? we need to build "journeys" to enable people contribute. |
| 12:06.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | umm, I have no clue where to those links should point. Also I don't think I could edit that page, technically |
| 12:07.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they are not even meant to be links but rather headlines which just miss the body text. No idea |
| 12:09.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | jaromil: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2017-02-12/?msg=80831055&page=1 |
| 12:09.50 | jaromil | well I'm just leaving the mention now, if anyone likes to (meta-)contribute, a document about contributors-journeys in devuan at this stage would be really good, so we can understand what needs improving |
| 12:12.25 | jaromil | believes devuan's documentation should be organised in "journeys" |
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| 12:12.36 | jaromil | bbl |
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| 14:21.16 | Hestben | DocScrutinizer05: It looks like the FAQ comes from this forum thread: https://talk.devuan.org/t/os-documentation-faq/570 |
| 14:21.52 | Hestben | It looks like you as a user can edit it, when you have reached user level authority |
| 14:29.27 | Hestben | But it looks like the thread is closed, or requires higher privileges than I have to post a reply in the thread. |
| 14:29.52 | Hestben | hellekin: What is the supposed way to contribute to the FAQ? |
| 14:30.25 | Hestben | Specifically, to suggest where answers can be found, so that the FAQ links to answers. |
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| 16:35.06 | hellekin | Hestben: answers are found on the site, if they're not there, nobody contributed to them. |
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| 16:40.46 | Hestben | hellekin: Yes, there are some answers already, but the FAQ does not link to any of the answers yet. |
| 16:41.17 | hellekin | then the answers are not there. |
| 16:41.24 | hellekin | or? |
| 16:41.43 | hellekin | Hestben: context URL? |
| 16:42.28 | Hestben | https://devuan.org/os/documentation/faq/ |
| 16:42.43 | Hestben | I'm guessing that is the official faq-page? |
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| 16:47.02 | Hestben | bbl |
| 16:47.09 | hellekin | yes, and as I said if the answers are not there it's because nobody answered them |
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| 18:58.46 | rhyDev | Just here to confirm the beta2 DVD works as expected. :D |
| 18:58.52 | rhyDev | beta1 was KILLING me. |
| 18:59.09 | Hestben | hellekin: Yes, but I thought we should link to the answers from the FAQ-page. |
| 18:59.21 | rhyDev | Is there a reason beta2 isn't showing MATE as a desktop option?!?!? |
| 18:59.33 | rhyDev | Is it because I installed from DVD with no mirror? |
| 19:00.44 | Hestben | rhyDev: I'm not sure MATE is an option without tinkering |
| 19:02.27 | rhyDev | That's a pretty rough regression if so. |
| 19:02.36 | rhyDev | Testing now enabling a mirror to see. |
| 19:14.19 | hellekin | Installing Devuan on Asus T100, where Ubuntu failed to activate the display correctly. |
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| 19:19.15 | rhyDev | So what do I do after install to get a good mirror if I had installed via DVD? sources.list? |
| 19:20.39 | Hestben | rhyDev: Add the repositories listed under Packages in https://devuan.org/ |
| 19:20.46 | rhyDev | Yep. That was it. Even had what I wanted remmed out! |
| 19:20.50 | rhyDev | Easy nano job. :D |
| 19:21.18 | rhyDev | LOL. Only upgrade tzdata?!? |
| 19:21.54 | Hestben | If the DVD is recent, there may not be many packages to update |
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| 19:22.36 | rhyDev | Unable to install package Samba? |
| 19:22.44 | Hestben | Did you actually add the merged repo? |
| 19:22.52 | Hestben | And not only the security repo |
| 19:22.58 | rhyDev | checks |
| 19:23.56 | rhyDev | Ah... Looks like I only have security and volatile. So if you install from DVD it doesn't rem out the normal sources list, they're just altogether gone. |
| 19:23.58 | rhyDev | No biggie. |
| 19:24.01 | rhyDev | fixes. |
| 19:24.24 | Hestben | rhyDev: Yes, I think it is a known issue that may be resolved soon |
| 19:24.30 | rhyDev | You guys going to run your own popularity contest? |
| 19:24.36 | rhyDev | Hestben, Good news. :) |
| 19:24.50 | rhyDev | And MATE is there with the normal mirrors selected! |
| 19:24.55 | Hestben | I don't know about the popularity contest. |
| 19:24.56 | rhyDev | does a dance. |
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| 19:25.33 | AntoFox | rhyDev: mate in devuan jessie is 1.8, if you want higher version have need to add another repo |
| 19:26.59 | rhyDev | I'm fine with an older mate. |
| 19:27.13 | rhyDev | mate has been great since at least 1.6... I think maybe much earlier. |
| 19:27.19 | AntoFox | ok |
| 19:27.30 | furrywolf | icewm++ |
| 19:27.45 | rhyDev | Arghh.... timeout on the repos at package 894 of 982. This is my connection issue though. |
| 19:27.52 | rhyDev | Not a Devuan issue. |
| 19:31.53 | fsmithred | you may still have a problem with samba. I'll tell you more when I finish update/upgrade |
| 19:34.27 | rhyDev | fsmithred, thnx. |
| 19:34.28 | rhyDev | :) |
| 19:34.38 | rhyDev | Since that will be the primary purpose of this server... LOL |
| 19:38.05 | rhyDev | These repos are not timing out... :D |
| 19:38.13 | rhyDev | They'll stall, but then eventually continue. |
| 19:38.22 | rhyDev | is on easy street. |
| 19:39.04 | rhyDev | Is there a reason I can't ssh in as root now? |
| 19:39.14 | rhyDev | I have to ssh as user, then su. |
| 19:39.29 | rhyDev | Might make some of my scripts more of a PITA to implement. |
| 19:39.45 | fsmithred | install openssh-server |
| 19:40.03 | rhyDev | Did that. Also selected it during install. |
| 19:41.39 | fsmithred | then you should be able to get in as user |
| 19:41.54 | fsmithred | for root you need auth key |
| 19:42.36 | fsmithred | when you look in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, you'll see "without password" for root login. That means WITH auth key. |
| 19:43.10 | fsmithred | and btw, I just installed samba after updating everything, and it worked fine. |
| 19:43.15 | fsmithred | I need to reboot. |
| 19:46.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | (([2017-02-13 Mon 17:47:09] <hellekin> yes, and as I said if the answers are not there it's because nobody answered them)) [2017-02-13 Mon 15:21:16] <Hestben> DocScrutinizer05: It looks like the FAQ comes from this forum thread: https://talk.devuan.org/t/os-documentation-faq/570 |
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| 19:48.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | hellekin: ^^^ also //[2017-02-12 Sun 05:02:43] <DeFender1031> DocScrutinizer05, so in the absence of a frontpage that talks about it, what IS the pronunciation and why?)) [2017-02-12 Sun 05:44:47] <DocScrutinizer05> https://web.archive.org/web/20160304012328/https://devuan.org/ incl audio sample ;-) -- [2017-02-12 Sun 05:48:02] <DocScrutinizer05> also https://devuan.org/os/documentation/faq/ but obviously with broken links |
| 19:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think "nobody answered them" is to the point |
| 19:52.41 | buZz | deaf-juan |
| 19:52.42 | buZz | :P |
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| 19:53.27 | fsmithred | WHAT??? |
| 19:54.24 | buZz | sounds like 'Dave 1' |
| 19:57.25 | fsmithred | There used to be an audio file you could play to hear the correct pronunciation. Sounds like "dev one" |
| 19:57.42 | AntoFox | dev - one |
| 19:57.45 | fsmithred | with a European accent. |
| 19:57.51 | fsmithred | (not sure which) |
| 19:58.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | ) |
| 19:59.15 | fsmithred | yeah, that's it. |
| 20:00.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas I wasn't able to find it on devuan.org even with aunt google |
| 20:00.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | all I found was https://devuan.org/os/documentation/faq/ "how's it pronounced?" |
| 20:01.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | thus >>[2017-02-13 Mon 20:49:19] <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think "nobody answered them" is to the point<< |
| 20:02.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | there's a non-comprehensive version with some answers at https://talk.devuan.org/t/os-documentation-faq/570 |
| 20:03.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/13/plasma-desktopW17764.png |
| 20:07.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | then there's the not-that-obvious link to https://talk.devuan.org/t/frequently-answered-questions/231 on https://devuan.org/os/documentation/faq/ , which looks like it oughta get merged with https://talk.devuan.org/t/os-documentation-faq/570 |
| 20:08.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | suboptimal :-) |
| 20:08.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels like a dungeons&dragons text adventure ;-D |
| 20:09.13 | fsmithred | yes, it looks like some of the questions have been answered, but they haven't been added to the faq |
| 20:09.15 | syco_ | lol |
| 20:11.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and some stuff has even been covered by the frontpage at past times, see https://web.archive.org/web/20160304012328/https://devuan.org/ - alas seems to be completely lost on devuan website |
| 20:13.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | anywaqy the least thing missing are links from the questions to the answers |
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| 20:18.10 | rhyDev | fsmithred, thnx.... I'll play with that config. |
| 20:18.28 | fsmithred | you can change it to yes |
| 20:18.33 | fsmithred | and then restart ssh |
| 20:19.00 | fsmithred | but really it's better to log in as user first. |
| 20:21.44 | rhyDev | fsmithred, Yes. I generally disable SSH without key exchange once it's all set up. |
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| 20:43.44 | Ponchale | hi how are you people |
| 20:43.47 | Ponchale | someone connected? |
| 20:43.54 | Ponchale | I have one question |
| 20:45.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | !ask |
| 20:45.11 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 20:47.08 | fsmithred | might add that the answer might come minutes or hours later, so it's a good idea to either stay logged in or check the scrollback at botbot.me |
| 20:47.26 | fsmithred | https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/ |
| 20:48.33 | fsmithred | Oh, I guess that was the one already. |
| 20:48.59 | fsmithred | actually, it was two. |
| 20:50.29 | Ponchale | We are a foundation dedicated to the development of software and technologies, we made a fork of the Firefox OS project that the Mozilla Foundation discontinued. And we want to make mobile and desktop operating system with possibilities of convergence using webapps. The specific question is, could it serve as the basis for the development of our desktop-oriented operating system? |
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| 20:53.57 | fsmithred | Ponchale, got a website? |
| 20:54.15 | Ponchale | astian.org |
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| 20:54.35 | fsmithred | I don't know the answer to your question, but I can tell you that Devuan is basically the same as Debian except without systemd. |
| 20:55.08 | rhyDev | Same as Debian Wheezy. Which is a good thing. Jessie sucks. |
| 20:55.52 | fsmithred | ^^^ Centurion_Dan jaromil parazyd |
| 20:55.58 | Ponchale | The documentation for developers of devuan where this |
| 20:56.07 | Ponchale | ? |
| 20:56.34 | fsmithred | I think I actually saw some documentation for developers recently. |
| 20:56.51 | fsmithred | the docs are not well organized yet. |
| 20:56.51 | rhyDev | The default MATE layout in beta2 is still the old school 80s style linux. How do we fix that before stable? |
| 20:57.11 | rhyDev | (other than that, seems to be running very, very well) |
| 20:57.36 | parazyd | fsmithred: hmm? |
| 20:57.53 | fsmithred | rhyDev, there's a thread about mate at dev1galaxy.org and another at refracta.freeforums.org |
| 20:58.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://devuan.org/os/development-kit |
| 20:58.19 | fsmithred | parazyd, Ponchale has question for devuan devs |
| 20:58.22 | rhyDev | fsmithred, thnx. |
| 20:58.43 | parazyd | Ponchale: what do you need? |
| 20:58.59 | fsmithred | <Ponchale> We are a foundation dedicated to the development of software and technologies, we made a fork of the Firefox OS project that the Mozilla Foundation discontinued. And we want to make mobile and desktop operating system with possibilities of convergence using webapps. The specific question is, could it serve as the basis for the development of our desktop-oriented operating system? |
| 20:59.36 | hellekin | Ponchale: I'd be delighted to see work on Devuan for mobiles. You're welcome :) |
| 20:59.50 | Ponchale | Basically know how you can integrate a web desktop environment or a desktop that is a browser hehehe |
| 21:00.42 | hellekin | Ponchale: starting straight from X? |
| 21:00.56 | Ponchale | hellekin If we are evaluating that possibility, that's why I came to the community |
| 21:01.18 | Ponchale | ok |
| 21:01.25 | rhyDev | fsmithred, You lied. Nothing about mate on dev1galaxy.org |
| 21:02.05 | rhyDev | It's amazing how bad Ubuntu is. |
| 21:02.16 | hellekin | rhyDev: there's some on talk.devuan.org though :P |
| 21:02.32 | Ponchale | Which it is the state for support for wayland on devuan |
| 21:02.33 | Ponchale | ? |
| 21:02.50 | fsmithred | oops. I was thinking of the lxde thread. |
| 21:02.58 | parazyd | Ponchale: use X. we are already in progress of porting maemo to devuan |
| 21:03.09 | hellekin | Ponchale: same as with Debian. Most of it is the same, except for systemd (non-)support in Devuan. |
| 21:03.14 | parazyd | which will be the base for the neo900 os |
| 21:03.22 | parazyd | but as an added bonus it will work everywhere else |
| 21:03.34 | parazyd | running from browser is imho kinda lame |
| 21:03.49 | parazyd | you could rather have a complete desktop environment or whatever |
| 21:04.10 | parazyd | that's why you use a proper distro and not android or whatever |
| 21:04.18 | hellekin | Ponchale: ASCII will be different, so if you want Wayland support in ASCII you should push for it :) |
| 21:04.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | the optimal CLI: http://wstaw.org/m/2017/02/13/plasma-desktopd17764.png ;-P |
| 21:04.53 | rhyDev | https://talk.devuan.org/t/improved-default-mate-layout |
| 21:05.01 | Ponchale | parazyd, Both communities could work together |
| 21:05.07 | rhyDev | This is all I want to solve pre-stable. |
| 21:05.49 | parazyd | Ponchale: you can come in #maemo if you are interested in helping porting maemo |
| 21:06.07 | parazyd | note, you'll need skills in C and debian package building |
| 21:06.13 | rhyDev | And Ponchale if you're talking about getting a desktop OS on a phone so when you plug into a docking station you get a full regular xfce/mate desktop: HELL YEAH. |
| 21:06.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe |
| 21:07.37 | Ponchale | parazyd We could work together both communities in a mobile operating system with extension a script using the webapps and the base of the dead ffos |
| 21:07.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkCDyUO0sKQ |
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| 21:08.22 | Ponchale | With a more modern system and with web technology |
| 21:08.39 | Ponchale | And extending the support of devuan and much more |
| 21:09.10 | parazyd | i don't think any of us in #maemo would be interested in a web interface |
| 21:09.42 | parazyd | you could take a look at enlightenment though |
| 21:09.45 | hellekin | Ponchale: most of the people here don't like the Web too much (to say it gently), but Firefox OS certainly had some interesting design features. |
| 21:09.51 | Ponchale | parazyd What could they be interested in? |
| 21:09.54 | parazyd | https://www.enlightenment.org/ |
| 21:10.05 | parazyd | firefox os is dead as... dead |
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| 21:10.23 | parazyd | #maemo is mostly interested in getting maemo to compile under devuan |
| 21:10.28 | hellekin | Ponchale: really, UI, mobility applications that make use of phone sensors and gestures, etc. |
| 21:10.34 | parazyd | s/maemo/maemo base/ |
| 21:11.05 | hellekin | the rest is indeed more nerdy: have a terminal on the phone and do the usual Internet stuff with text. |
| 21:11.11 | parazyd | from there on, future development will happen |
| 21:11.34 | parazyd | i assume you could then fork it easily |
| 21:11.41 | parazyd | or just make a derivative |
| 21:11.43 | hellekin | I'm sure Astian and Devuan can work together. Not sure on what nor how though :) |
| 21:11.51 | parazyd | (not being a complete fork) |
| 21:13.21 | Ponchale | The same was said and it is still said in the middle of now that they were dead and large projects have come out of these two |
| 21:13.41 | Ponchale | Referring to me maemo and meego |
| 21:14.24 | parazyd | yeah but maemo isn't defective by design |
| 21:14.32 | hellekin | Ponchale: are you "sanitizing" DRM support on your AstianOS? |
| 21:14.49 | hellekin | and browser fingerprinting? |
| 21:15.11 | hellekin | Tor support? LibreJS support? |
| 21:15.23 | hellekin | Integrated Easylist? |
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| 21:15.44 | Ponchale | If making improvements in the gecko engine I also forking the firefox project the original |
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| 21:15.54 | Ponchale | firefox os |
| 21:17.42 | rhyDev | Ponchale, Leo sounds promising. Got a demo/beta yet? |
| 21:18.29 | Ponchale | Soon we will record a video in a matter of days |
| 21:18.49 | rhyDev | Ponchale, Nice! English, or.... ? |
| 21:18.58 | Ponchale | We use python as a service to process the requests made by the interface that is in html 5 |
| 21:19.04 | Ponchale | English and Spanish |
| 21:19.09 | parazyd | Ponchale: flask? |
| 21:19.15 | Ponchale | First those 2 languages |
| 21:19.47 | Ponchale | parazyd, no this a framework own |
| 21:20.04 | parazyd | what is it? |
| 21:20.22 | Ponchale | Is still basic but meets the requirements in the early versions |
| 21:20.46 | parazyd | protip: switch to pypy instead of vanilla python |
| 21:20.54 | Ponchale | Flask we use it in the app store |
| 21:20.56 | rhyDev | parazyd, It's a Virtual Assistant. |
| 21:21.19 | rhyDev | I've wanted a FOSS one. I don't trust Alexa/Google/Cortana. I don't want them listening to me all the time. |
| 21:21.24 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua5xpTZJpwo also nice |
| 21:21.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | always gtins evilly when remembering Nokia told him "will never work" |
| 21:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | grins* |
| 21:22.16 | rhyDev | https://talk.devuan.org/t/improved-default-mate-layout/290?u=rhy |
| 21:23.00 | Ponchale | That is the idea somewhat free and fully customizable |
| 21:24.04 | Ponchale | I know that we could work together, in this sense and many more, like for example in a standard webapps applications, Astore may be the official app store devuan and much more |
| 21:24.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IyeSNGCWTA |
| 21:24.51 | rhyDev | Ponchale, that may be great down the line. Right now they are just getting Devuan stable so I can run servers that don't crash constantly because of systemd. |
| 21:25.06 | rhyDev | And they're doing it all for me. And my servers. LOL |
| 21:25.46 | Ponchale | LOL |
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| 21:29.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | Ponchale: maemo urgently needs an up-to-date lean and fast browser |
| 21:30.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm |
| 21:33.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | still wonders what's the rationale behind FF-OS. A replacement for a more sane desktop? Or does it also try to deal with audio and whatnot, establishing and answering calls, etc |
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| 21:33.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | likes maemo5 Hildon desktop very much, prolly more than meego aka sailfish UI/desktop |
| 21:35.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | btw meego used qml, somewhat based on html |
| 21:36.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | qt markup L*younameit |
| 21:36.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | don't know how much of it bleeded into qt5 |
| 21:37.21 | rhyDev | It's official: beta2 is awesome. Everything JUST WORKS. |
| 21:37.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ :-)) |
| 21:38.18 | rhyDev | It's the first sane version of Linux I've used since beta1. LOL |
| 21:38.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan beta2 is <reply><rhyDev> It's official: beta2 is awesome. Everything JUST WORKS. |
| 21:38.21 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 |
| 21:38.40 | rhyDev | apt-get install xrdp: Can RDP! |
| 21:39.03 | rhyDev | This simple task is broken on every Debian derivative, you have to go manually futz with config files, all kinds of stuff. |
| 21:40.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, are the systemd eventfiles not that mature like the sysv init files? ;-P |
| 21:40.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is systm D messing up permissions, cgroups, login, whatnot . FUBAR? |
| 21:42.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | or is there wayland in the way? |
| 21:45.05 | rhyDev | DocScrutinizer05, RIGHT?!?! How are more nerds not on the Devuan train. |
| 21:45.28 | rhyDev | RDP is fast too! I can practically watch YouTube over wifi! |
| 21:47.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | oh, I just learned xrdp is fatser than VNC |
| 21:47.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | faster* |
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| 22:09.01 | rhyDev | xrdp IS faster, but there's faster still: nx, spice... I can never get those ones to work right though. |
| 22:09.27 | rhyDev | xrdp is good for pretty much everything but video/gaming and I don't do much of either of those so.... |
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