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| 01:28.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | feels slightly puzzled that OpenSuse (and prolly even SLES) uses btrfs per default now when it's still that unreliable |
| 01:33.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | (( their decision to entirely rewrite raid5/6 a few months ago)) lucky I use raid1 then |
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| 01:47.20 | MinceR | they don't care about reliability |
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| 04:12.31 | fleeky__ | anyone tried installing citadel-suite ? |
| 04:12.45 | fleeky__ | seems the package is broken in jessie and ceres |
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| 07:27.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: "they" is who? You understand what's SLES? I'm not entirely sure but would assume SLES uses btrfs to now |
| 07:33.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | confirmed, SLES12 has "Rollback" for servicepack updates, employing btrfs |
| 07:35.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | >> Rollback is made possible by Btrfs, which is the default file sys - tem of SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12<< |
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| 08:13.01 | AntoFox | o/ |
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| 09:35.32 | Gargravarr | okay, so the problem i was having with setup turns out to be due to my PXE setup |
| 09:35.49 | Gargravarr | i wrote the ISO to a USB stick and it worked okay from that |
| 09:36.05 | Gargravarr | so i've messed up exactly which files i need to put in place on my PXE server |
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| 10:50.44 | malinas | Gargravarr: you should have mentionned that you were using PXE earlier |
| 10:51.00 | Gargravarr | probably :) |
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| 10:51.24 | Gargravarr | although in my defence it was late at night for me and i'd been hacking on the b@stard for hours |
| 10:51.37 | malinas | you probably ran into the same problem than I did, which is that partman fails when you use an older version of the installer |
| 10:52.15 | Gargravarr | i did grab the netboot tarball from here: |
| 10:52.44 | Gargravarr | http://packages.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz |
| 10:52.55 | Gargravarr | should i assume that hasn't been updated? |
| 10:55.29 | Leander256 | https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie-proposed/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
| 10:56.33 | Gargravarr | Leander256: thanks |
| 10:56.49 | malinas | ah yes it's there |
| 10:58.13 | malinas | I wanted to submit a patch to add that information on the website, but... I got sidetracked when trying to figure out where the website's source was |
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| 11:59.20 | Gargravarr | okay, is it intentional that the NETINST doesn't have ifconfig? |
| 11:59.56 | Gargravarr | i just grabbed the netboot files that Leander256 linked and set them up, then booted a VM |
| 12:00.03 | Gargravarr | but the VM doesn't seem to have network access |
| 12:00.08 | Gargravarr | and i can't tell if the NIC is up |
| 12:02.34 | Juesto | Gargravarr: open a shell |
| 12:02.48 | Gargravarr | Juesto: yep |
| 12:02.59 | Juesto | and check there |
| 12:03.14 | Juesto | it doesnt have ifconfig? |
| 12:03.14 | Gargravarr | Juesto: that's what i mean, i can't see ifconfig anywhere |
| 12:03.21 | Juesto | try ifup? |
| 12:03.29 | Juesto | list the installed packages |
| 12:04.09 | Gargravarr | no packages are installed, this is Devuan setup itself |
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| 12:16.37 | Gargravarr | ah, i do have ping |
| 12:16.56 | Gargravarr | and i'm able to ping the VM host from the VM, so the network is up |
| 12:17.37 | fsmithred | Gargravarr, you also have ip |
| 12:18.08 | Gargravarr | oh yeah |
| 12:19.11 | Gargravarr | okay, so setup is failing to retrieve clock-setup |
| 12:19.19 | Gargravarr | ip shows the link as being up |
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| 12:28.08 | Gargravarr | okay, that might be the explanation. something broken with uk.packages.devuan.org ? |
| 12:29.07 | Gargravarr | *uk.mirror.devuan.org |
| 12:29.24 | Gargravarr | swapped to a US mirror and it was able to download clock-setup |
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| 12:47.44 | fsmithred | should be fast. We're all still asleep over here, so you're probably the only one using it. |
| 12:48.32 | Gargravarr | don't mind if i do |
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| 13:47.14 | malinas | Gargravarr: I wasn't paying attention to the convo, but I'm using the package from that location for my servers, and it works |
| 13:47.51 | malinas | I also installed a proxy for the packages, so I'm less likely to notice mirror issues |
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| 14:25.31 | Gargravarr | malinas: no worries. it took over an hour to download the base packages though |
| 14:35.45 | Gargravarr | okay, cool, partitioning succeeded. thanks for the hints guys |
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| 15:07.12 | MinceR | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, suse |
| 15:07.38 | MinceR | they prefer serving microsoft to serving their own customers |
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| 20:46.11 | DeeEff | thanks for the hmms |
| 20:56.08 | wulllst | while installling devuan recently, i came across a package dependency issue concerning gtk3. for example, when i wanted to install pluma (text editor from mate), apt wanted to pull a whole lot of packages as dependencies, including gtk3's standard icon theme adwaita. |
| 20:56.45 | wulllst | simply installing the package with "adwaita-icon-theme-" drastically reduceds the amout of packaged being pulled. |
| 20:57.57 | wulllst | this happens with other gtk applications as well and is obviously due to bad dependency management. |
| 20:58.30 | wulllst | there's been a conversation about this in debian on reddit recently (https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/5qphze/why_does_qemusystemx86_pull_in_adwaitaicontheme/) |
| 20:59.04 | wulllst | i just wanted to know, if someone is looking after that issue for devuan |
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| 21:05.52 | golinux | gtk3 is as much of a cancer as systemd. Posting again for those who missed it before: |
| 21:05.57 | golinux | https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/ |
| 21:13.21 | wulllst | golinux: good to know. its sort of what i thought would be the problem. |
| 21:14.57 | golinux | And it gets worse. I'm on some Xfce related lists. I didn't realize that the entire Xfce stack is moving to gtk3. |
| 21:15.00 | LouisA | better scrap linux and switch to openbsd :P |
| 21:15.58 | wulllst | LouisA: i don't get the joke, sry |
| 21:16.48 | wulllst | golinux: well, maybe there should be a fork of gtk2, just like the mate project forked gnome2. |
| 21:16.51 | LouisA | openbsd main devs are pretty strict on code quality |
| 21:17.12 | wulllst | LouisA: ok. i've heard about that. |
| 21:17.53 | wulllst | on the other hand, lxqt looks very promising. |
| 21:17.56 | golinux | LouisA: Rather strange first post. |
| 21:18.00 | LouisA | lol |
| 21:18.25 | golinux | This is a Devuan channel in case you didn't notice. |
| 21:18.32 | LouisA | i know |
| 21:18.54 | LouisA | devuan with bsd kernel :P |
| 21:19.15 | LouisA | devuan kopenbsd |
| 21:19.24 | LouisA | just kidding |
| 21:20.34 | wulllst | golinux: so, maybe throwing out gnome as a desktop environment offered in devuan is probably not such a bad idea after all. |
| 21:20.49 | LouisA | hanging out here waiting for a sparc64 port of devuan |
| 21:21.56 | LouisA | myself uses mate desktop on my laptop and lxde with some openbox/xfce parts on my umpc |
| 21:23.44 | wulllst | i'm not sure about this, but the development of gtk3 seem to really undermine the mate project |
| 21:23.49 | golinux | wulllst: Mate may already have forked gtk2. Or will have to to keep Mate moving forward. |
| 21:24.06 | golinux | It's about control of the desktop. |
| 21:24.12 | wulllst | right |
| 21:24.27 | golinux | The gnome/gtk3 folks are obsessed with it |
| 21:24.58 | wulllst | i would love a fork of gtk2 |
| 21:25.48 | wulllst | then all the good old openbox themes and their corresponding gtk2-themes would be kept alive. |
| 21:27.06 | LouisA | i vote to port templeOS UI on devuan |
| 21:27.41 | wulllst | LouisA: i think that is to be considered esotheric matter in the very true sense of the word. |
| 21:29.58 | LouisA | what do you mean? not sure to understand |
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| 21:32.18 | wulllst | speaking of installing devuan above, i also realized the installer doesn't offer the option to really configure the keyboard layout. at least not in the standard installation. so, as a frequent user of dead keys, that's a bit uncomfortable. and if i remeber right, it was different with the debian installer (correct me, if i'm wrong). |
| 21:34.16 | wulllst | LouisA: If you know anything about TempleOS, you sure do understand that. |
| 21:35.58 | LouisA | english is not my first language so i wasn't sure |
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| 21:43.45 | MinceR | it will probably run in QEMU |
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| 21:54.28 | wulllst | well, accordning to the debian manuals, you can choose your keyboard layout manually during installation. i think it should also be done that way in Devuan. |
| 22:01.54 | wulllst | anyway, i just discovered that using dead keys n'est pas un problème on this system at all, because it has been configured right during installation automatically. still, the options should be there, shouldn't they? |
| 22:14.37 | fsmithred | wulllst, use expert install if you want all options |
| 22:14.51 | fsmithred | same as debian installer |
| 22:16.24 | wulllst | fsmithred: right. i just thought that keyboard configuration with all options should be part of the standard installation. not sure. |
| 22:17.41 | fsmithred | I think it gets automatically set according to locale |
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| 22:22.51 | wulllst | fsmithred: ok. and if you wouldn't want dead keys on a keyboard layout where they are normally switched on, you could still use expert install or edit /etc/default/keyboard afterwards. |
| 22:23.10 | fsmithred | yup |
| 22:23.24 | fsmithred | not that I'm any kind of expert on switching keyboards... |
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| 23:05.27 | crhylove | So in the "Choose a Mirror" dialog, how do I make it just use the DVD? |
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| 23:11.57 | golinux | crhylove: There should be a no mirror choice |
| 23:14.04 | crhylove | Under N? Not seeing it. There's enter information manually. |
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