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| 02:52.04 | ol1g4rchy | Hello devuan friends |
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| 09:37.31 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
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| 16:26.28 | peetaur | updated debian 7 lxc container to devuan... it didn't blow up, to my great surprise |
| 16:26.42 | peetaur | (because it was 7 rather than 8) |
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| 20:52.53 | gnu_srs1 | Centurion_Dan: I rebuilt policykit-1 and udisks2 from debian sid removing the systemd dependencies to install mate-desktop-environment properly. |
| 20:53.51 | gnu_srs1 | Any interest in that for ascii/ceres? |
| 20:54.13 | Centurion_Dan | gnu_srs1: we already build those... although I heard the other day that policykit needs an update for jessie... |
| 20:56.13 | Centurion_Dan | we will need them done/updated for ascii & ceres too, but not a priority... |
| 20:56.53 | gnu_srs1 | which version, I run Devuan jessie on another box and have not seen that yet? |
| 20:58.46 | gnu_srs1 | As I'm mostly running Debian testing/unstable on my boxes, I'd really prefer to have Devuan packages available until switching from Debian to Devuan |
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| 21:51.02 | DeeEff | Hey #devuan, I'm on ceres and having problems with gconf2 as a dependency for another package (riot-web provided by https://riot.im/desktop.html). Seems to rely on dbus, which seems to be the underlying problem |
| 21:51.37 | DeeEff | has there been any issues solved with dbus-session-bus or whatever up until now that could maybe point me in the right direction? |
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| 21:53.59 | Gargravarr | hi gents, got a weird issue with Devuan setup |
| 21:54.18 | Gargravarr | well, 2 really |
| 21:54.55 | Gargravarr | 1) if i try to partition the disk manually, it won't let me select any ext* filesystems, ergo i can't create a / partition |
| 21:55.37 | Gargravarr | 2) if i go down the Guided route, it does manage to select ext4, but with either LVM or basic partitions, it fails to mount them after formatting them |
| 21:55.47 | Gargravarr | if i swap to a shell, mount tells me the device doesn't exist |
| 21:56.32 | DeeEff | Seems my issue has been brought up before: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2017-01-03/?msg=78794676&page=2 |
| 22:00.04 | DeeEff | Gargravarr: I don't think this will be very helpful, but I always use advanced install mode, not the default, which lets you choose which extra modules to load during the install. I notice that certain steps in the install order need to be completed before all modules are loaded (although what you describe seems weird). I also recommend btrfs over ext4 filesystems. You can / should use ext2 on /boot since you don't need/want |
| 22:00.05 | DeeEff | journaling, but for the rest of your partitions I would recommend using btrfs over ext2/3/4 |
| 22:00.15 | DeeEff | also note that mount won't be able to mount anything until a partition is actually made |
| 22:01.13 | DeeEff | I believe you'll first want to format the device on the shell with `mkfs.ext4` or `mkfs.btrfs` before you try to mount it |
| 22:01.22 | furrywolf | I would not recommend btrfs for non-toy boxes until it's been a bit more proven. their decision to entirely rewrite raid5/6 a few months ago, complete with changing on-disk format, is very indicitave of not quite being ready yet. |
| 22:02.39 | DeeEff | furrywolf: I haven't had a problem here. Obviously if you're setting up a server with RAID reqs then you probably aren't taking advice from IRC |
| 22:02.56 | DeeEff | in that case though you'd be best off targeting zfs, which is a PITA to set up with linux |
| 22:03.11 | furrywolf | it's not the raid specifically... it's just that it's still in development, and has repeated issues with eating data, or changing the on-disk format. |
| 22:03.15 | DeeEff | for desktop linux you'd be fine with btrfs for 99% of setups |
| 22:03.40 | Gargravarr | DeeEff: thanks for the hint, but among my friends, we call it butterFS because it's known to melt easily ;) i'll stick to ext4 thanks |
| 22:04.35 | Gargravarr | furrywolf: completely agree, btrfs is still experimental. i wouldn't trust any real data with it |
| 22:04.55 | Gargravarr | it's for a personal server with a single SSD |
| 22:05.08 | Gargravarr | so i'm setting up Devuan headless |
| 22:06.17 | DeeEff | furrywolf: I'm not sure I follow on the part re: changing the on-disk format. |
| 22:06.19 | DeeEff | is it 2006? |
| 22:06.27 | DeeEff | https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#How_long_will_the_Btrfs_disk_format_keep_changing.3F |
| 22:06.51 | furrywolf | no, it's not. and yet they just had to change something, again. due to it eating data and needing it to fix iit. |
| 22:07.17 | Gargravarr | furrywolf: does the whole thing still come crashing down if you use >80% of the partition space? |
| 22:07.28 | Gargravarr | and does fsck still completely fsck it? :) |
| 22:07.36 | furrywolf | dunno, haven't heard of that recently. |
| 22:07.52 | furrywolf | heh, there was some mailing list discussion on whether fsck should exist at all... |
| 22:08.12 | furrywolf | you shouldn't need to fsck it! it should all be in the kernel! etc |
| 22:08.44 | furrywolf | and, yes, fsck still fscks it. :P |
| 22:09.43 | Gargravarr | cool, i'll give that a wide berth then :) |
| 22:10.14 | Gargravarr | i use ext4 normally, it hasn't let me down yet and i don't need massive performance from standard partitions |
| 22:10.23 | Gargravarr | other partitions with large binary files, i use XFS |
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| 23:22.54 | AntoFox | gnu_srs1: tomorrow I update mate for ascii on my repo |
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