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| 09:29.55 | tuor_ | Hi, has the NetworkManager been added to the default installation? |
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| 10:00.22 | tuor_ | The package network-manager is currently depending on systemd. Is there someone working on the network-manager? Is there a website with thecurrent unsolved tasks? |
| 10:05.11 | cyteen | tuor_: there is a de-systemd'd network-manager in experimental I believe. |
| 10:05.53 | tuor_ | cyteen, how can I test it? Where should I report bugs if I find some? |
| 10:06.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | first approach: stay in here |
| 10:06.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | wait for more savvy people chime in |
| 10:08.08 | tuor_ | DocScrutinizer05, What does "wait for more savvy people chime in" meen? |
| 10:08.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | means the one who's working on network manager is also probably in this channel and eventaully will answer. Same for your other questions |
| 10:09.35 | tuor_ | DocScrutinizer05, oh ok. Thx. |
| 10:09.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | let's see if I can dig up sth |
| 10:09.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~bugs |
| 10:10.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | !bugs |
| 10:10.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | !tracker |
| 10:10.15 | infobot | ""Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit."" Between 50% and MAXLONG of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration |
| 10:10.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | nah |
| 10:10.41 | DocScrutinizer05 | !liskeys #devuan |
| 10:10.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | !listkeys #devuan |
| 10:12.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, thought we once had a bugtracker factoid |
| 10:12.28 | tuor_ | ok. np. |
| 10:13.14 | tuor_ | How can I get the testing package of network-manager? I have devuan jessi installed (with kde). |
| 10:13.30 | cyteen | systemdless network-manager can be installed from jessie-proposed just add `deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan jessie-proposed main` to your /etc/apt/sources and apt-get update and then apt-get install it. |
| 10:14.18 | tuor_ | cyteen, thx. |
| 10:19.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan network manager is <reply>[2017-02-07 Tue 11:13:30] <cyteen> systemdless network-manager can be installed from jessie-proposed just add `deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan jessie-proposed main` to your /etc/apt/sources and apt-get update and then apt-get install it. |
| 10:19.59 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 10:21.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | !network manager |
| 10:21.10 | infobot | [2017-02-07 Tue 11:13:30] <cyteen> systemdless network-manager can be installed from jessie-proposed just add `deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan jessie-proposed main` to your /etc/apt/sources and apt-get update and then apt-get install it. |
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| 10:21.57 | tuor_ | DocScrutinizer05, cool. :) |
| 10:22.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan nm is <reply>see network manager |
| 10:22.05 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay |
| 10:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | !nm |
| 10:22.12 | infobot | [2017-02-07 Tue 11:13:30] <cyteen> systemdless network-manager can be installed from jessie-proposed just add `deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan jessie-proposed main` to your /etc/apt/sources and apt-get update and then apt-get install it. |
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| 10:29.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | !listkeys #devuan *track* |
| 10:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | !bugtracker |
| 10:29.23 | infobot | well, bugtracker is https://devuan.org/os/issues (soon) |
| 10:30.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | tuor_: ^^^ |
| 10:33.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | also see /topic : >>logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan<< and "search" in there |
| 10:38.08 | tuor_ | nice. thx. |
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| 10:47.21 | *** topic/#devuan by DocScrutinizer05 -> beta2 is out: http://ur1.ca/q572u ** https://devuan.org/ discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with useful 'search') | Please take off-topic conversation to #debianfork | /msg chanserv info #devuan | !listkeys #devuan <foo> | Devuan Forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/ |
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| 11:24.45 | Hestben | Wasn't there a priority issue with the devuan-proposed repository? Or was that only the backports repo? |
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| 11:56.58 | Juesto | Hestben: only backports |
| 11:57.01 | Juesto | AFAIK |
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| 14:25.01 | detha | stupid question (and yes I know it's an upstream thing, but maybe someone here knows background), why does devuan/debian have an ancient version of ansible? Does everybody just add the ubuntu ppa? |
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| 14:49.30 | Leander256 | it's a quite typical problem with some packages |
| 14:49.55 | Leander256 | also, if memory serves, ansible encourages people to directly download from git |
| 14:51.26 | peetaur | you mean curl ... | sudo dd of=/dev/mem style installations? |
| 14:51.55 | peetaur | or...build source which sounds fine, doesn't it? |
| 14:52.06 | peetaur | (fine if you don't mind wasting time) |
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| 14:53.45 | detha | devops! admittedly they maintain stable repos for centos/fedora and ubuntu/debian that work. It is just annoying for people who run machines with no internet access, but only access to an internal mirror of the distro |
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| 14:56.19 | detha | <rant>I wish developers/packagers would stop assuming every machine in the world has direct, un-firewalled, fast, internet access</rant> |
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| 19:20.55 | djph | detha: eh, wot? |
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| 20:30.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | `curl ... | sudo dd of=/dev/mem` WUT? lol! |
| 20:32.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | a tad brute, no? `(wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz -O - 2>/dev/null| tar xvz)&&cd maemo-my-private-workdir&&sudo ./flash-it-all.sh` is perfect ;-) |
| 20:36.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | reading/writing /dev/*mem with dd is not exactly straight thing either. easily causes kernel panic |
| 20:36.29 | Juesto | :o |
| 20:37.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | (from addressing 0x00000000 which is identical to dereferencing an uninitialized pointer and thus causes the very classical SIGwhatever) |
| 20:37.36 | furrywolf | dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/kmem? :) |
| 20:37.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | cat /dev/kmem |
| 20:38.04 | DocScrutinizer05 | as root |
| 20:38.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | lasttested several years ago, don't know if they fixed it |
| 20:39.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't nuke the cat process but the kernel dev driver |
| 20:39.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | OOOPS |
| 20:40.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | rather PANIC |
| 20:40.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | diclaimer: literally years since I tested that |
| 20:42.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | and I'm rather sure it's been kernel 2.6.28 or somesuch, which is ever older yet by a several more years |
| 20:43.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway accessing RAM absolute addr 0x00000000 seems no smart thing to do |
| 20:45.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | potentially triggers kernel segfault or whatever |
| 20:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | for your entertainment, presented to you by flu fool DocScrutinizer05 ;-) http://paste.opensuse.org/22072759 *of course* no WLAN and not even any tail -f process will run when kernel PANICs ;-P |
| 21:07.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | the sequel: http://paste.opensuse.org/1046278 |
| 21:11.14 | golinux | This has what to do with devuan? |
| 21:12.00 | golinux | Earlier it was infobot. Now this. Good grief . . . |
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| 21:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | go test if it got to do with devuan! |
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| 21:16.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudo cat /dev/kme m |
| 21:16.40 | DocScrutinizer05 | you tell us |
| 21:17.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | you may use sudo head /dev/k mem instead, if you're afraid of too much spam on your terminal ;-) |
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| 21:19.11 | DocScrutinizer05 | infobot answered questions a user asked (that's what the bot is meant for), and I replied to [2017-02-07 Tue 15:51:26] <peetaur> you mean curl ... | sudo dd of=/dev/mem style installations? |
| 21:19.12 | infobot | DocScrutinizer05: that's too long |
| 21:19.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | xx infobot answered questions a user asked (that's what the bot is meant for), and I replied to [2017-02-07 Tue 15:51:26] <peetaur> you mean curl ... | sudo dd of=/dev/mem style installations? |
| 21:22.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | thinks golinux tries to snatch away doc's "grumpy old fart" trophy |
| 21:22.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 21:23.10 | MinceR | :) |
| 21:26.00 | golinux | Just trying to keep the board uncluttered. Now I'm seeing double . . . |
| 21:27.15 | golinux | The only one I ever see playing with infobot is YOU, Doc . . . |
| 21:28.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, it's a tool saving me /and many others who do the same) from memorizing and typing lengthy factoids as answer to user questions. |
| 21:30.55 | golinux | But I never see anybody asking infobot a question and I read all the logs. So what good is it exactly? |
| 21:31.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly what I said: it is a shorthand expander |
| 21:31.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | and a database |
| 21:32.03 | golinux | If it's never accessed except by you, what's the point? |
| 21:32.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | see above! |
| 21:32.59 | golinux | head/desk |
| 21:33.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I can't help when you don't see the point thanks to your /ignore blocking the useful answers I invoke from bot that other users appreciated at least this afternoon |
| 21:34.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you don't like the bot, maybe I shall change my operation mode like |
| 21:34.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: nm |
| 21:34.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | but no useful answer will come from that, it seems |
| 21:34.48 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 21:34.56 | golinux | Why not start #devuan-infobot and get it off of here? |
| 21:35.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | headdesks |
| 21:35.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | could you explain how I could help out a user in here asking "is nm included to devuan" when the bot that has the answer is in anpother channel? |
| 21:36.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | you seem to think I ask the bot for my own pleasure |
| 21:36.46 | golinux | If someone wants a bot answer they can go to a bot channel. |
| 21:37.04 | golinux | I think you do because I don;t see anyone else doing it. |
| 21:37.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | if somebody wants to rant, they might go to a rant channel |
| 21:37.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 21:37.30 | golinux | Not ranting |
| 21:37.56 | MinceR | :> |
| 21:38.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | you really don't get it. I ask the bot to answer questions on MY BEHALF to help out other users |
| 21:38.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | how would a new user ever come to the idea to ask the bot? |
| 21:39.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | nown THAT would be actually pretty silly when they would come here to ask the bot about anything, they could do that in a query |
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| 21:42.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | the bot is a user rolodex datamining tool present on freenode since Aug 16 21:01:06 1999 and currently in 127 channels, storing 119650 factoids |
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| 21:45.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | really not my fault that you don't like it and can't see its purpose. Others did, since almost 18 years (or longer) |
| 21:47.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | since you got it on /ignore, let me quote it to also show a further feature while handing a recommended URL to you: |
| 21:47.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-02-07 Tue 22:46:32] <DocScrutinizer05> wiki infobot |
| 21:47.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | [2017-02-07 Tue 22:46:36] <infobot> At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infobot (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{Infobox software | name = Infobot | logo = | screenshot = | caption = | collapsible = | author = Kevin Lenzo | developer = | released = 1995 | latest release version = 1.5.3 | latest release date = {{release date and age|2008|08|01}} | latest preview version = | latest preview date = | frequently updated = | programming language = |
| 21:48.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | Perl | operating system = Unix-like | platform = | ... |
| 21:49.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | alas that function didn't get patched to cope with wikipedia's 'new' infobox layout, thus it looks a tad cluttered |
| 21:51.16 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05 needs some Kaopectate |
| 21:51.38 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatever that is |
| 21:51.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | I could ask "wiki kaopectate but I don't want to annoy you ;-) |
| 21:52.57 | DocScrutinizer05 | or !dict kaopectate |
| 21:53.34 | golinux | https://lmsptfy.com/ |
| 21:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh |
| 21:54.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | no fuckin way |
| 21:55.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | if you want to annoy me, I may also ask the bot and not care if that annoys you |
| 21:55.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | !dict kaopectate |
| 21:56.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | seems the bot is more helpful than you ;-) |
| 21:57.02 | cyteen | Well I didn't know about info bot, I'm always grateful to learn about something useful. |
| 21:59.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | [quote wikipedia] Because of its ability to store statements and re-state them with ease, many IRC channel operators use an Infobot to store information such as the channel rules so they could easily give them to newcomers to the channel. [/quote] |
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| 22:01.07 | cyteen | It's got to be better than having to search the bot bot me, which is what I'd earlier today to answer a question. |
| 22:01.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | botbot is a chanlog that stores everything and nobody can recall the exact location of a particular answer |
| 22:03.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | so you need to search it. that's fime for new users and old farts alike when searching for an almist forgotten bit. infobot OTOH has often needed short factoids on request and the ones who care use the shorthand to invoke them |
| 22:03.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla |
| 22:03.47 | infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla |
| 22:04.12 | Gup | yeah i've seen the bots used a lot in other channels, saves copy and pasting common answers for the most active helpers |
| 22:04.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | exactly |
| 22:06.31 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway when you hate the bot, place it on your /ignore list, simple as that. When you like to learn more about it, /query infobot and say "help" |
| 22:06.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | n8 |
| 22:08.15 | Gup | could it be programmed and tested in another channel though to keep the clutter out of here? maybe less hate for it then? ;) |
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| 22:16.01 | DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, "prohramming" as in teaching new factoids makes sense in public channel so those who care learn about the existence of the factoids. Otherwise those factoids would be pretty pointless. All other administrative chitchat of course usually should happen out of band |
| 22:17.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | I did a search (!listjeys #devuan *track*) publicly to teach a bit of advanced usage, today. I really do *very* rarely |
| 22:22.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually I frogot the factoid key since the bot is so rarely used in here, that's why I had to do a search at all ;-) And I hope some curious users got interested in the bot by me doing this, so it will get used a tad more frequently in the way it's meant to be used |
| 22:22.44 | Juesto | try help? |
| 22:22.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: yes, you can do that |
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