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| 10:55.40 | hellekin | https://twitter.com/Ms_Multicolor/status/827917222572081152 :) SFYW is very well received here at FOSDEM |
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| 11:06.48 | Xenguy | hellekin: Is there video to download? |
| 11:12.28 | Xenguy | Tried searching on the FOSDEM page, and just can't find that talk |
| 11:16.35 | Juesto | xenguy: videos come a bit later because of encoding and uploading |
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| 11:22.55 | Xenguy | Juesto: OK, hopefully will catch that later then, tx |
| 11:23.19 | Juesto | additionally, its stated in the website |
| 11:23.30 | Juesto | a twitter happens instantly |
| 11:23.37 | Juesto | thats the difference :) |
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| 11:45.37 | Juesto | Xenguy: yesterday videos of fosdem are half-done, thats how long it will take |
| 11:46.06 | Juesto | none of today videos are ready yet |
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| 16:03.17 | enyc | hrrm... I'm still having apt pinning nonsense with jessie-backports ;-( |
| 16:03.49 | enyc | on debian, can install specific packages with "-t jessie-backports" and thats' fine, they update, but don't take over by defgault with backported packages |
| 16:04.20 | enyc | on my devuan jessie's, no -- have to constantly comment-out the jessie-backports "deb" entry in sources.list |
| 16:04.40 | enyc | apt-get upgrade / dist-upgrade offers to update EVERYTHING to backported versions by default |
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| 16:20.32 | fsmithred | enyc, you can pin backports to a lower priority so that does not happen |
| 16:21.09 | enyc | fsmithred: this works by default in debian, why is this not the case in devuan ? |
| 16:22.03 | fsmithred | I don't know the reason, but I seem to recall that someone suggested a fix |
| 16:22.11 | fsmithred | I mean a fix for the devs, not for the users |
| 16:22.17 | fsmithred | I have the fix for the users |
| 16:22.31 | enyc | fsmithred: kk this needs sorting properly by default for everybody =) |
| 16:22.40 | enyc | fsmithred: by all mean tell me the current 'users' fix |
| 16:22.48 | fsmithred | to prevent, put the following lines in /etc/apt/preferences.d/backports (or any filename you want) |
| 16:22.52 | fsmithred | Package: * |
| 16:22.52 | fsmithred | Pin: release a=jessie-backports |
| 16:22.52 | fsmithred | Pin-Priority: 100 |
| 16:23.17 | fsmithred | to fix it (get rid of all the unwanted bpo packages) hang on... |
| 16:24.17 | fsmithred | "Temporarily bump the priority of stable above 1000, it will downgrade |
| 16:24.17 | fsmithred | everything to that release." |
| 16:24.27 | enyc | no i haven't made the latter mistake |
| 16:24.43 | enyc | i can't see such a pin-priority in apt configs on a debian jessie system |
| 16:25.06 | fsmithred | no, it's on the server |
| 16:25.12 | fsmithred | and should be in devuan |
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| 16:25.39 | enyc | fsmithred: aah, and we need to find and strangle $somebody to make that change on server? |
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| 16:25.55 | fsmithred | light a fire under them |
| 16:26.00 | fsmithred | I'm finding the matches now |
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| 16:28.09 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, did you ever try this suggested fix for backports priority? https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/58 |
| 16:28.38 | fsmithred | people are running into this issue every week |
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| 17:09.15 | enyc | fsmithred: thankyou |
| 17:09.23 | enyc | whats' the state of devuan stretch ? |
| 17:15.52 | enyc | (for those who want to dist-upgrade on a working devuan) |
| 17:16.04 | enyc | (on a clone / backup system of course =) ) |
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| 17:37.55 | enyc | erk something gone wrong with one of my devuan jessie's -- systemd (not systemd-sysv) package got installed by some dependency/update |
| 17:39.30 | enyc | seemingly lots of mate- packages seem to be affected |
| 17:46.09 | Juesto | enyc: there's specifically a rule to prevent systemd in /etc/apt/preferences.d |
| 17:46.25 | enyc | Juesto: no, thats systemd-sysv |
| 17:46.37 | Juesto | it's a systemd regex |
| 17:46.56 | underd0g | anyone having issues with flash? |
| 17:46.58 | enyc | Juesto: from which install medieum / when did you install / what package installed that regex ??? |
| 17:47.08 | Juesto | system |
| 17:47.11 | Juesto | beta 2 |
| 17:47.18 | Juesto | latest jessie |
| 17:47.26 | enyc | Juesto: i suspect earlier installers didn't get said file |
| 17:47.33 | Juesto | Yep |
| 17:47.34 | enyc | Juesto: dpkg -S that file for me ? |
| 17:48.05 | Juesto | starts vm |
| 17:48.30 | Juesto | and i have broken upstart for some reason |
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| 17:49.48 | Juesto | enyc: devuan-baseconf |
| 17:50.29 | enyc | Juesto: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l devuan-baseconf" |
| 17:50.34 | enyc | 0.6.4+devuan1 for me |
| 17:50.37 | Juesto | Hmm |
| 17:50.40 | Juesto | same |
| 17:50.57 | Juesto | apologies |
| 17:51.00 | Juesto | it is systemd-sysv |
| 17:51.05 | enyc | Juesto: right |
| 17:51.09 | Juesto | Perhaps you could turn it into a regex |
| 17:51.14 | Juesto | *systemd* |
| 17:51.39 | enyc | maybe but how do i sort out why it is a dependency now? |
| 17:52.00 | Juesto | just apt-remove *systemd* ? |
| 17:52.16 | Juesto | find out the dependants on something like synaptic |
| 17:52.21 | Juesto | or aptitude if you know to use it |
| 17:53.11 | enyc | Juesto: colord hplip libpam-systemd mate-applets mate-desktop-environment mate-desktop-environment-core mate-panel mate-polkit mate-power-manager packagekit packagekit-tools policykit-1 policykit-1-gnome printer-driver-postscript-hp systemd task-mate-desktop |
| 17:53.37 | KatolaZ | enyc: are you on testing? |
| 17:53.41 | enyc | KatolaZ: no |
| 17:53.55 | enyc | suspects however, a jessie-backports package is to blame |
| 17:53.56 | KatolaZ | enyc: stable? |
| 17:54.08 | KatolaZ | I see |
| 17:55.38 | Juesto | enyc: do make a new preference that reads |
| 17:55.59 | Juesto | Package: * |
| 17:56.14 | Juesto | Pin: release a=jessie-bacports |
| 17:56.25 | Juesto | Pin-Priority: 1 |
| 17:56.38 | enyc | Juesto: i have priority 100 |
| 17:56.56 | enyc | Juesto: also backports not bacports |
| 17:57.06 | Juesto | yeah sorry |
| 17:57.20 | Juesto | you need to make stable priority 1000 |
| 17:57.38 | enyc | i don't want to get rid of 'all' backports |
| 17:57.40 | Juesto | or 1001 |
| 17:57.49 | Juesto | Well then just do this |
| 17:57.50 | enyc | i just want to sort out which is causing the systemd depedency |
| 17:58.08 | Juesto | Find the dependency tree |
| 17:58.22 | Juesto | it is a bit troublesome to bisect the dependency tree |
| 17:58.34 | KatolaZ | still, I think that devuan-baseconf should pin systemd |
| 17:58.41 | Juesto | Yep |
| 17:58.46 | Juesto | should be a regex |
| 17:58.50 | enyc | libpam-systemd is basic dep problem |
| 17:59.00 | Juesto | exactly |
| 18:00.29 | enyc | install policykit-1=0.105-9+devuan1 |
| 18:20.08 | enyc | http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/p/policykit-1/policykit-1_0.105-15~deb8u2_changelog |
| 18:20.36 | enyc | needs a new devuan version created?? |
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| 19:46.16 | fsmithred | enyc, you here? |
| 19:46.47 | enyc | fsmithred: yes |
| 19:47.01 | fsmithred | get it sorted? |
| 19:47.05 | fsmithred | oh yeah... |
| 19:47.15 | fsmithred | aptitude why <package> |
| 19:47.29 | enyc | fsmithred: i got older policykit-1=0.105-9+devuan1 installed as above |
| 19:47.42 | enyc | fsmithred: but there is a problem, dist-upgrade wants to re-install new policykit-1 + systemd |
| 19:47.56 | enyc | fsmithred: see above, needs new devuan version of policykit-1 sorting ?? |
| 19:48.01 | fsmithred | yeah, same version p'kit here |
| 19:48.25 | fsmithred | set stable priority to 1001 then upgrade |
| 19:48.49 | enyc | fsmithred: i have ALREADY apt-get install policykit-1=0.105-9+devuan1 and removed systemd fine |
| 19:49.05 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep bpo |
| 19:49.15 | enyc | fsmithred: but there is still the underlying problem that dist-upgrade wants to re-install new policykit-1 + systemd |
| 19:49.26 | fsmithred | will show you what's from backports (plus a few that aren't) |
| 19:49.48 | enyc | yes, of which i have quite abit backported on purpose |
| 19:49.50 | fsmithred | what new policykit? You have debian in your sources? |
| 19:50.08 | fsmithred | ascii has same version as jessie |
| 19:50.14 | enyc | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! i wonder why *kills* that line |
| 19:50.21 | enyc | # direct jessie not normally needed |
| 19:50.32 | enyc | # that must have been needed at some time for some reason |
| 19:50.50 | fsmithred | yeah, for a short time there was some update that you could get from debian |
| 19:51.03 | fsmithred | but generally dangerous to do |
| 19:53.20 | fsmithred | need coffee. brb. |
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| 20:06.04 | enyc | fsmithred: sorted, thankyou. |
| 20:06.11 | fsmithred | cool |
| 20:06.28 | enyc | what is the state of devuan ascii anyway?? |
| 20:06.48 | enyc | and what will need sorting for devuan jessie to finally release? are we still sohrt of people to fix all this nonsense? |
| 20:06.51 | fsmithred | neglected until jessie is done |
| 20:07.01 | enyc | k, figures |
| 20:07.10 | fsmithred | last I tried it, it works, but it's not fully cleaned up yet |
| 20:07.45 | fsmithred | I couldn't get rid of libsystemd0 and I think libpam-systemd (not sure) and I certainly could not run X without a display manager |
| 20:08.24 | enyc | kk |
| 20:08.45 | enyc | is it worth you asking about the backports-pinning in devuan-dev channel? |
| 20:09.00 | fsmithred | don't know - I've never been there |
| 20:09.07 | enyc | wondering if there is a release-critical bugs list ;p |
| 20:09.13 | fsmithred | I'm sure Dan will see our earlier conversation |
| 20:09.31 | fsmithred | you're assuming that this group is well-organized |
| 20:09.35 | fsmithred | lol |
| 20:09.38 | enyc | https://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html |
| 20:09.43 | fsmithred | it's way more organic than that |
| 20:10.16 | Centurion_Dan | enyc, I'll look into the polkit issue as soon as I have a chance. |
| 20:10.27 | fsmithred | also the backports issue? |
| 20:10.37 | Centurion_Dan | re ascii, let's just say it needs work |
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| 20:10.48 | enyc | ok |
| 20:11.02 | enyc | Centurion_Dan: polkit seems to be mostly just 'i had debian sources enabled temporarially too' |
| 20:11.11 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: I've assigned that to nextime to deal with. |
| 20:11.14 | enyc | Centurion_Dan: so may not be a real issue, though wonder if it ought to have an updated package anyway |
| 20:11.19 | fsmithred | I've got a no-X ascii build of refracta if you want to try it |
| 20:11.43 | enyc | Centurion_Dan: however the backports pinnning seems to continally crop up annoyance, important |
| 20:11.55 | Centurion_Dan | enyc: if it breaks stuff to not have it then sure, otherwise it can wait... I have urgent work to complete first. |
| 20:13.00 | enyc | Centurion_Dan: good luck =) |
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| 23:38.48 | pedropt | Well , i have to admit that each day that passes by with Devuan installed on my systems , i get more surprised |
| 23:41.32 | pedropt | Just to be registered , during last week i upgraded my cloud server from wheezy to jessie devuan |
| 23:42.04 | pedropt | i had some issues on uploading files over webdav bigger than 2G |
| 23:42.54 | pedropt | when i was on wheezy , i went to multiple forums , and everyone spoked about multiples causes for the issue , i tried everyone of them ithout any success |
| 23:43.44 | pedropt | some said that was a php issue , and that upgrading to php 7 would solve the issue , but even after upgrading the php , the problem presisted |
| 23:44.54 | pedropt | so , everytime i wanted to upload filles igger than 2G i had to put them on an usb storage pen , mount the pen on the server , copy the file to server and update cloud database |
| 23:45.18 | pedropt | on downloading files from the cloud bigger than 2G i never had any issue |
| 23:45.53 | pedropt | when i upgraded to jessie last week , i only tested small files , did not tested big files |
| 23:46.39 | pedropt | today i had to upload big files to the cloud and i put them on transfer over the webdav tool i always used . |
| 23:47.04 | pedropt | Files were uploaded without any issue !!!! |
| 23:48.04 | pedropt | I am doing multiple tests , and everything is working perfectly , witch means that somehow , the upgraded system from wheezy to devuan fixed the issue i had before |
| 23:49.29 | pedropt | sometime before when i detected this issue for the first time , i tried debian 8 to see if it works , and i had the same issue , where files more than 1.7G on jessie were giving issues on uploading |
| 23:50.28 | pedropt | i even changed from owncloud to nextcloud to see if was a bug with the cloud app , but issue happened in both apps the same way . |
| 23:51.13 | pedropt | Well , for some unknow reason everything is working fine without any issue in devuan . |
| 23:52.55 | pedropt | my guess is that was some library bugged that was fixed during the transation , or the way that devuan manages the memory on transfers that is different from debian wheezy and jessie . |
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