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| 01:50.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((<edbarx> Yes, the directory is created, but computers are faster than human beings. I need to make certain when mkdir return the directory is available.)) that's asserted, IF the mkdir call returns without error, afaik |
| 01:50.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | RETURN VALUE |
| 01:50.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | ugh, edbarx is gone |
| 01:53.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | anyway if in a (unix) system a file operation would work async, the whole system would implode |
| 01:54.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | file operation like mkdir, open, unlink, etc |
| 01:54.37 | DocScrutinizer05 | even writes are sync from a process POV |
| 01:55.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | any process doesn't care if the fs driver buffers the data before writing them to final destination. Any read() is supposed to read from buffers if needed |
| 01:56.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | as long as it's the same filesystem (driver, instance) |
| 01:58.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | *never* consider a delay a sufficient (or even faintly appropriate) measure to solve a suspected race condition! |
| 01:59.19 | DocScrutinizer05 | you always need to make sure you will recover from the race when it hits, no matter what. Or - like here - makes sure there can't be a race at all |
| 01:59.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | s/makes/make/ |
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| 08:01.46 | armin | DocScrutinizer05: good explanations on race conditions btw. ;) |
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| 08:41.18 | mystified1234 | hey guys can you help out |
| 08:41.45 | mystified1234 | installed devuan to another drive on a desktop, with miltiple os. |
| 08:42.07 | mystified1234 | Now I cant boot into devuan |
| 08:43.28 | mystified1234 | kernel panic not syncing VFS unable to mount root |
| 08:44.05 | mystified1234 | I have other grubs to access multiple Os but can't access devuan |
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| 08:51.50 | freemangordon_ | hi! Is there a dh helper that installs a file in /etc/sudoers.d, like there is dh_installinit? |
| 08:52.06 | freemangordon_ | parazyd: ^^^? |
| 08:52.11 | Gup | mystified1234, you could try editing the entry in grub and checking/editing the details, especially root device |
| 08:52.26 | mystified1234 | thats to tech for me |
| 08:52.52 | Gup | mystified1234, if you select it from the grub menu and press 'e' (i think) to edit it |
| 08:52.55 | mystified1234 | can I purge the grub thats been set on devuan |
| 08:53.19 | mystified1234 | ok tHATS what you are saying |
| 08:53.40 | mystified1234 | I don't kmow what to edit |
| 08:53.59 | mystified1234 | BTW GUP THX |
| 08:54.13 | Gup | let me check mine.. i might be able to give you some clues.. |
| 08:54.20 | mystified1234 | ok |
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| 08:54.48 | Gup | otherwise you could probably reinstall grub from one of the other OS's, there is a handy grub repair tool i used to use on ubuntu |
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| 08:55.26 | mystified1234 | Ive tried rescuatx |
| 08:55.36 | mystified1234 | no goo |
| 08:56.08 | mystified1234 | boot repair disk no longer works like it used too |
| 08:57.36 | Gup | what are the other os's in you have already installed? |
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| 08:58.34 | Juesto | tried chroot? |
| 08:58.57 | mystified | how to do that |
| 08:58.58 | Juesto | tried changing /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 08:59.13 | Juesto | and inside the chroot you update grub manually |
| 08:59.22 | mystified | Im at edit now |
| 09:00.06 | Gup | should have a line that reads similar to: set root='hd0,msdos1' |
| 09:00.33 | Juesto | gup: grub uses uuid |
| 09:00.46 | mystified | in my case it's msdos7 |
| 09:00.55 | Juesto | it is..? |
| 09:01.06 | Juesto | interesting |
| 09:01.10 | Juesto | well how it should be |
| 09:01.12 | Juesto | ? |
| 09:01.17 | Juesto | the count is the partition order |
| 09:01.25 | mystified | yes |
| 09:01.26 | Gup | it uses both uuid and hd* here |
| 09:01.32 | mystified | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:01.50 | mystified | sda is extended drive |
| 09:01.51 | Juesto | you should really use a livecd and chroot to your os and update the grub entries from there |
| 09:01.58 | Gup | could be tricky to manually edit though |
| 09:02.06 | Gup | i think Juesto has the right idea |
| 09:02.19 | mystified | I can get in with live cd |
| 09:02.30 | Juesto | You need to boot a live cd |
| 09:02.38 | mystified | so how to change chroot sda7 |
| 09:02.39 | Juesto | then use chroot which stands for change root |
| 09:02.49 | Juesto | by root it means rootfs |
| 09:02.50 | Juesto | aka / |
| 09:03.08 | Juesto | mystified: you boot it then you mount your rootfs |
| 09:03.15 | Juesto | your os |
| 09:03.21 | Juesto | mount /boot |
| 09:03.26 | Juesto | inside your rootfs |
| 09:03.35 | Juesto | (if applicable) |
| 09:03.40 | Juesto | then bind /dev and /proc |
| 09:03.46 | Juesto | and finally |
| 09:03.53 | Juesto | chroot inside a shell |
| 09:03.58 | mystified | im booting into another distro |
| 09:04.12 | Juesto | ideally it should be the same distro |
| 09:04.14 | mystified | debian |
| 09:04.16 | Juesto | or closer |
| 09:04.18 | Juesto | ok |
| 09:04.26 | Gup | http://howtoubuntu.org/how-to-repair-restore-reinstall-grub-2-with-a-ubuntu-live-cd |
| 09:05.30 | mystified | thx, thats brilliant |
| 09:05.38 | mystified | i should be fine now |
| 09:05.49 | mystified | I let you know how i get on.. |
| 09:05.57 | Gup | good luck :) |
| 09:06.17 | mystified | Guys,Thx kindly... |
| 09:06.21 | Juesto | you can also try booting your system manually straight from grub commandline |
| 09:06.23 | Juesto | lol |
| 09:06.27 | Juesto | could* |
| 09:06.34 | Juesto | but thats more time consuming anyway |
| 09:06.39 | mystified | for a techie yes |
| 09:06.40 | Juesto | better the link's steps |
| 09:06.41 | Juesto | :) |
| 09:06.45 | mystified | me NO :) |
| 09:06.50 | Juesto | heh |
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| 11:16.38 | edbarx | How do I add some empty lines at the bottom edge of xfce4 terminal? |
| 11:17.19 | edbarx | Since I use the terminals all the time, this is adding to my eye fatigue unnecessarily. |
| 11:18.01 | parazyd | freemangordon: none that i know of |
| 11:18.29 | parazyd | you have to manually copy the files via debian/rules |
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| 17:16.23 | timeless | i don't suppose anyone here is familiar w/ rdiff-backup? |
| 17:18.29 | timeless | i've inherited a system that uses rdiff-backup, and the rdiff-backup started failing (ssh link timeout afaict) |
| 17:18.51 | timeless | unfortunately, i tried to tinker w/ how the rdiff-backup works, and as a result, the current backup has no files |
| 17:19.10 | timeless | i'd like to "strip" that backup so that the most recent has the previous backup as current |
| 17:19.54 | timeless | (i can't find anything in the man page to cover this case) |
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| 18:23.25 | edbarx | pclose() return error value 64000. Not a standard error and not -1 which is expected from pclose(). Testing backend by giving it 'stupid' commands like trying to connect when a connection is already active and disconnecting when no connections are set up. |
| 18:36.01 | zdzichu | this is not exit status, but process termination status |
| 18:36.09 | zdzichu | exit status is embedded within it |
| 18:37.23 | zdzichu | for return value you need to use WEXITSTATUS() status |
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| 19:40.11 | wulllst | i just switched from debian jessie to devuan jessie on my main system. surprisingly, desktop applications are starting up noticeably faster now. i wonder why that is. |
| 19:41.08 | wulllst | to clarify, by switching, i mean, i installed devuan as a new system, leaving my hard drives' partition table and my home partition intact. |
| 19:41.14 | Humpelst1lzchen | thats called defrag |
| 19:42.00 | wulllst | Humpelst1lzchen: i thought that's not an issue und ext files systems |
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| 19:56.43 | parazyd | mechanical disks still get fragmented |
| 20:08.47 | wulllst | ok, good to know. |
| 20:09.56 | parazyd | in the meantime if you are interested, take a look at btrfs |
| 20:13.12 | wulllst | parazyd: ok, i'll have a look. |
| 20:15.03 | buZz | can i -add- firmware files to the CD iso i've flashed to a usb stick? |
| 20:15.31 | Juesto | modify the squashfs buZz |
| 20:17.02 | buZz | hmm, ps actually suggests its still extracting firmwares from /media/firmware/ |
| 20:18.45 | buZz | i did not expect a J4205 to take ~48 seconds to finish booting kernel |
| 20:19.10 | buZz | but maybe just need some newer kernel for Apollo Lake architecture |
| 20:21.02 | parazyd | how slow is your usb stick? :p |
| 20:22.15 | buZz | meh, dd scrolled off |
| 20:22.20 | buZz | but should do >10MB/sec |
| 20:22.42 | Juesto | make sure you have a "A" usb stick, most sticks suck |
| 20:22.52 | Juesto | some also get corrupted when stressed |
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| 20:24.45 | buZz | well, it did load the firmware eventually :P |
| 20:24.51 | buZz | that might have taken >4 minutes :D |
| 20:32.58 | Juesto | slow modprobe i guess? |
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| 20:41.07 | buZz | still installing base :P |
| 20:41.46 | buZz | load is 0.74 |
| 20:41.51 | buZz | weird :P |
| 20:46.20 | parazyd | is your hardware alright? |
| 20:49.14 | buZz | its a brand new motherboard |
| 20:49.34 | buZz | searching around, it seems i need kernel 4.8.7 or newer to circumvent some bug |
| 20:49.38 | buZz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1606147 |
| 20:49.59 | buZz | until i can install that, it will work, but very slow :) |
| 20:50.13 | Juesto | in devuan that kernel is on backports |
| 20:50.16 | buZz | http://www.asrock.nl/mb/Intel/J4205-ITX/index.us.asp this board |
| 20:50.41 | buZz | Juesto: ah cool, once i'm done installing :) |
| 20:50.51 | Juesto | and having backports renamed the network card |
| 20:51.18 | parazyd | yeah try backports |
| 20:51.22 | Juesto | from eth0 to ens33 |
| 20:51.29 | parazyd | although stuff from there will eventually pull libsystemd0 |
| 20:51.38 | parazyd | Juesto: got a fix for that, gimme a sec |
| 20:51.39 | Juesto | no? |
| 20:51.43 | Juesto | yeah i know |
| 20:51.48 | Juesto | oh |
| 20:51.57 | Juesto | well not a fix for reverting the naming |
| 20:52.09 | parazyd | Juesto: "net.ifnames=0" to your kernel cmdline |
| 20:52.18 | Juesto | ah great |
| 20:52.25 | Juesto | i reverted anyway but good to know |
| 20:52.28 | Juesto | buZz: ^^ |
| 20:52.43 | Juesto | kernel cmdline or sysctl ? |
| 20:52.58 | Juesto | s/or/=/ |
| 20:53.03 | parazyd | cmdline |
| 20:53.10 | Juesto | difference? |
| 20:53.15 | parazyd | probably you can get it with /etc/default/grub |
| 20:53.21 | Juesto | ah ok |
| 20:53.38 | parazyd | also, echo "#" | sudo tee /etc/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 20:53.50 | parazyd | this is a hack from arm-sdk |
| 20:54.10 | Juesto | why |
| 20:54.15 | parazyd | so it doesn't increment on each boot (in case that happens (eth0, eth1, eth2, etc...) |
| 20:54.23 | Juesto | ah |
| 20:54.33 | parazyd | it won't do any harm, so feel free to apply it |
| 20:56.23 | parazyd | fun fact: i needed this on the n900 image actually |
| 20:56.49 | parazyd | since the wifi driver generates a random MAC address on every boot |
| 20:57.23 | Juesto | wow lol |
| 20:57.27 | Juesto | you have a n900? |
| 20:57.53 | Juesto | ugh, but doesnt a random mac create a mess with routers? |
| 20:57.54 | Juesto | :) |
| 20:58.19 | zdzichu | why would it? |
| 20:59.13 | Juesto | zdzichu: dhcp pool mainly |
| 20:59.29 | parazyd | hostname helps |
| 20:59.37 | parazyd | Juesto: i have four :p |
| 20:59.37 | Juesto | and for reservation? |
| 20:59.41 | Juesto | dhcp reservation* |
| 21:00.32 | zdzichu | how often you would need to reboot n900 to exhaust whole pool? |
| 21:00.39 | parazyd | Juesto: well you will mainly use DHCP if you don't care about the ip address you get |
| 21:00.47 | parazyd | if you want a static one, you simply ask for it |
| 21:00.54 | parazyd | /etc/network/interfaces in devuan |
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| 21:01.14 | parazyd | and again, dns access - hostname is there |
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| 21:01.24 | parazyd | n900.lan will resolve |
| 21:01.31 | Juesto | wifi clients are best having dhcp enabled |
| 21:01.45 | Juesto | since otherwise it hinders the connect abilities |
| 21:01.52 | parazyd | meh, no |
| 21:02.03 | parazyd | one of my n900 runs as a web server with a static ip |
| 21:02.04 | parazyd | no issue |
| 21:02.29 | Juesto | and having a random mac generated on each boot causes dhcp pool to flow and being unable to having a reliable dhcp reservation |
| 21:02.52 | Juesto | i am talking about connecting to different wifi networks where routers have different configurations |
| 21:02.59 | Juesto | different ips and so on |
| 21:03.12 | parazyd | it's not 2001 anymore :D |
| 21:03.33 | zdzichu | Juesto: those problems are unrealistic, really |
| 21:03.45 | Juesto | ... |
| 21:04.04 | Juesto | lol |
| 21:04.13 | Juesto | Argentina apparently is in the past ;) |
| 21:04.30 | parazyd | just use openwrt haha |
| 21:04.42 | Juesto | no |
| 21:04.44 | Juesto | its not that |
| 21:04.45 | zdzichu | have you notice that modern phones randomize MAC for scanning network? |
| 21:04.54 | Juesto | ... |
| 21:04.59 | Juesto | android doesnt..? |
| 21:05.04 | zdzichu | or ipv6 privacy extensions are for generating random IP every few minutes? |
| 21:05.10 | Juesto | .... |
| 21:05.12 | Juesto | just |
| 21:05.32 | zdzichu | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.36 | Juesto | if i set a static ip on my android then i only would be able to connect to a single wifi because configurations differ |
| 21:05.38 | zdzichu | https://urbanjack.wordpress.com/2016/03/04/game-over-for-wifi-analytics-companies/ |
| 21:05.41 | zdzichu | a year ago |
| 21:06.14 | parazyd | Juesto: it will, come on... |
| 21:06.22 | parazyd | if the ip is free, you can take it with no problems |
| 21:06.41 | Juesto | What if the network range is not the same, what if the ip isnt free |
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| 21:07.00 | Juesto | what if the router has another ip itself and thus a different gateway |
| 21:07.33 | Juesto | is annoyed |
| 21:07.49 | parazyd | all of that is irrelevant. if you want a static ip you set it yourself, you don't *ask* for a static ip in normal usecases |
| 21:08.05 | parazyd | if you ask for dhcp, ususally you don't expect an ip address you had before |
| 21:08.22 | buZz | parazyd: how well does n900 run devuan? :) |
| 21:08.28 | parazyd | buZz: quite fast |
| 21:08.32 | parazyd | boots in a minute |
| 21:08.33 | buZz | excellent |
| 21:08.39 | parazyd | i removed all the bloat |
| 21:08.45 | parazyd | using busybox for a lot of stuff |
| 21:08.53 | parazyd | busybox-static |
| 21:10.00 | parazyd | although udhcpc is still broken if you want to get it working with /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:10.08 | parazyd | no time to track it down unfortunately |
| 21:10.50 | parazyd | i might though... i like it for arm boards, use least resources possible |
| 21:14.26 | parazyd | Centurion_Dan: any news on the CI? |
| 21:18.30 | buZz | still installing base :D |
| 21:18.47 | buZz | >1 hr already |
| 21:26.21 | Centurion_Dan | parazyd: not yet. Just trying to get on top of other client work. I'm also waiting on nextime to roll out amprolla2 before doing anything. |
| 21:26.52 | parazyd | can we help with amprolla2? |
| 21:27.09 | parazyd | i didn't see any gitlab activity on it for months |
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| 21:41.11 | Centurion_Dan | That's a little surprising, nextime said it's pretty much done, just a few plugins to work out... |
| 21:41.43 | parazyd | well maybe he just isn't pushing to git |
| 21:41.54 | Centurion_Dan | I'd assumed he'd been pushing it to gitlab.... although the way our gitlab has been performing lately... |
| 21:42.06 | parazyd | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla2/tree/master/amprolla |
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| 21:44.03 | Juesto | nice |
| 21:50.20 | Centurion_Dan | Anyway, regardless of that our focus should be on getting Jessie released first, and catching up on ascii and ceres - which should be much easier with the stretch freeze in debian. |
| 21:51.37 | parazyd | but how long will it take? we are kinda eager to start building :) |
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| 22:45.03 | wulllst | hi, i'm trying to make it possible to mount external storage devices as a normal user in my file manager. i want to use udisks2 and create a polkit rule, but i'm unsure how to do that the correct way. could anyone help? |
| 22:46.00 | fsmithred | can't help with that, but I can tell you another way to do it - pmount |
| 22:46.04 | parazyd | pmount |
| 22:46.07 | parazyd | ha! |
| 22:46.12 | fsmithred | no rules to write |
| 22:46.12 | wulllst | afaik, i will have to create a file [filename].pkla in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d |
| 22:46.35 | wulllst | well, but how would you use pmaount to automount external devices? |
| 22:46.58 | fsmithred | I think spacefm would do that for you, but not certain |
| 22:47.03 | fsmithred | I know it will use pmount |
| 22:47.44 | wulllst | fsmithred: well, i'm using pcmanfm |
| 22:48.20 | fsmithred | it only uses udisks2? |
| 22:48.29 | wulllst | i don't know |
| 22:48.58 | parazyd | it doesn't matter |
| 22:49.10 | parazyd | pcmanfm will see if something is mounted, even manually |
| 22:49.16 | parazyd | (at least from my experiences) |
| 22:50.12 | KatolaZ | what's wrong with pmount? |
| 22:50.17 | KatolaZ | it works seamlessly |
| 22:50.19 | wulllst | well, i usually use pcmanfm to mount removable media, but i'm not authorized to do that currently |
| 22:50.32 | wulllst | i mean as a normal user |
| 22:50.40 | KatolaZ | wulllst: pmount |
| 22:50.48 | KatolaZ | just add the user to the group plugdev |
| 22:50.53 | KatolaZ | in standard Devuan/Debian |
| 22:50.57 | KatolaZ | dperiof |
| 22:50.59 | KatolaZ | period |
| 22:51.09 | Leander256 | that's weird, by default my pcmanfm allows me to mount usb sticks and such |
| 22:51.30 | wulllst | Leander256: that's probably because you are using a real desktop environment |
| 22:51.46 | fsmithred | wulllst, what's your setup? I just plugged in a usb stick, opened pcmanfm, and the partitions on the stick got mounted |
| 22:51.59 | Leander256 | i'm using i3, so probably not |
| 22:52.03 | fsmithred | I have pmount and udisks installed, but not udisks2 |
| 22:52.38 | fsmithred | xfce here |
| 22:52.49 | wulllst | fsmithred: i'm on a fresh devaun jessie, with udisks2 installed. |
| 22:52.53 | fsmithred | xfce is set NOT to automount |
| 22:53.24 | wulllst | fsmithred: i'm a member of the group plugdev already |
| 22:53.26 | fsmithred | but pcmanfm is set to automount |
| 22:53.29 | fsmithred | same here |
| 22:53.57 | fsmithred | you using xfce? |
| 22:54.10 | wulllst | i'm using openbox |
| 22:54.13 | parazyd | i'm guessing thunar would interface better if you're on xfce |
| 22:54.14 | fsmithred | ah |
| 22:54.49 | wulllst | fsmithred: this behavior of pcmanfm isn't new to me, i just forgot how to fix it. |
| 22:55.08 | fsmithred | you looked around in preferences? |
| 22:55.25 | wulllst | it's not actually a pcmanfm issue, afaik |
| 22:55.47 | wulllst | it's a permission issue |
| 22:56.10 | fsmithred | policykit-1, consolekit |
| 22:56.19 | wulllst | right |
| 22:56.27 | fsmithred | libpam-ck-connector |
| 22:57.01 | wulllst | i'm trying to create a reasonable polkit rule for mounting removable media a normal user |
| 22:57.36 | fsmithred | does it have to be automount? |
| 22:57.56 | fsmithred | you got gvfs installed? |
| 22:58.01 | wulllst | well, no, actually |
| 22:58.18 | wulllst | i mean, automount is a pcmanfm issue then, isn't it? |
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| 22:58.32 | wulllst | i i have permission to mount, i can also automount |
| 22:58.58 | wulllst | gvfs ois installed |
| 22:59.01 | fsmithred | yeah, I guess so |
| 22:59.17 | fsmithred | I was thinking that I can't automount, because I don't have gvfs |
| 22:59.23 | Juesto | Yeah |
| 22:59.30 | Juesto | thunar depends on gvfs for mounting |
| 22:59.35 | fsmithred | I don't get a drive icon on my desktop when I plug in usb drive |
| 22:59.53 | fsmithred | but pcmanfm will do it here. just did. |
| 22:59.58 | wulllst | a while ago i had found a nice howto on how to do the polkit rule, but i lost it. |
| 23:02.01 | fsmithred | I don't do rules |
| 23:02.06 | wulllst | also, if i was using pmount, i would still have to write the polkit rule, wouldn't i? |
| 23:02.07 | fsmithred | whenever possible |
| 23:02.14 | fsmithred | nope |
| 23:02.19 | fsmithred | pmount sdb2 |
| 23:02.21 | fsmithred | done |
| 23:02.26 | fsmithred | pumount sdb2 |
| 23:02.43 | parazyd | power of suid |
| 23:03.02 | wulllst | fsmithred: yes, but then pcmanfm would have to use that when i would want to mount a device. |
| 23:03.16 | wulllst | i'll see if that can be configured |
| 23:03.30 | fsmithred | I'm not sure what pcmanfm is using to mount here |
| 23:03.40 | fsmithred | I tried watching top, but it only showed me pcmanfm |
| 23:03.57 | fsmithred | is pmount installed? |
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| 23:05.10 | wulllst | i have pmount installed, yes |
| 23:05.59 | fsmithred | here's a discussion about pcmanfm and automount: http://refracta.freeforums.org/pcmanfm-to-get-usb-automount-t665.html |
| 23:06.25 | wulllst | well, pmount...now i remember: it always hangs when you hit tab after typing "/dev" |
| 23:07.15 | wulllst | fsmithred: looking into that link |
| 23:07.29 | fsmithred | just first couple posts, I think |
| 23:07.36 | fsmithred | wulllst, ^^^ |
| 23:08.27 | fsmithred | wow, I see what you mean about hanging when you hit tab |
| 23:08.32 | fsmithred | I just had to kill my terminal |
| 23:08.42 | fsmithred | don't use /dev with pmount |
| 23:08.49 | wulllst | i thin you can give it ctrl+c and wait for a few seconds |
| 23:09.07 | fsmithred | trying that |
| 23:09.19 | fsmithred | damn. don't use tab-completion with pmount |
| 23:09.29 | fsmithred | brb |
| 23:09.33 | parazyd | fsmithred: bash or zsh? |
| 23:09.39 | fsmithred | bash |
| 23:09.45 | parazyd | that's fixable, probably a shitty script |
| 23:09.49 | fsmithred | and yes, ctrl-c and wait little bit |
| 23:10.00 | fsmithred | anyway, brb in few minutes |
| 23:12.29 | wulllst | also, as it seems, devuan (as debian) is using an older version of polkit than moste other distros which has a little bit of another directory structure for config files |
| 23:13.56 | wulllst | ok, that's policykit (old) vs. polkit (newer)... |
| 23:14.28 | wulllst | also, i think i found what i was looking for: https://github.com/coldfix/udiskie/wiki/Permissions#policykit |
| 23:17.51 | wulllst | also interesting: they use the group "storage" for the polkit rule on mounting, not plugdev |
| 23:19.21 | wulllst | that seems reasonable, since a pluggable device could also be a usb sound card, which you wouldn't want to mount. |
| 23:23.54 | fsmithred | udiskie? |
| 23:24.56 | fsmithred | oh, it's in the repo |
| 23:26.38 | wulllst | well, i was just looking at the policykit part of that page |
| 23:28.29 | wulllst | is there a reason why the group "storage" is not there by default in devuan? |
| 23:28.50 | fsmithred | it's not a standard group |
| 23:29.01 | fsmithred | there's a disk group |
| 23:30.00 | wulllst | fsmithred: but i vertainly wouldn't want to make people members of the disk gorup, so they can mount their usb drives. |
| 23:30.09 | fsmithred | right |
| 23:30.18 | fsmithred | so create a new group for a specific purpose |
| 23:30.30 | wulllst | right |
| 23:31.05 | fsmithred | but I still think you shouldn't have to do all that |
| 23:31.37 | fsmithred | maybe trade udisks2 for udisks? just guessing |
| 23:32.07 | wulllst | if you know how to do it, it's fairly easy and done in no time. |
| 23:32.43 | fsmithred | yeah, I see that. |
| 23:32.52 | wulllst | but why switch to udisks? |
| 23:32.59 | fsmithred | my problem is I wouldn't remember that I did it |
| 23:33.12 | fsmithred | I'm guessing that it works for me because I have udisks |
| 23:33.19 | wulllst | fsmithred: i wrote it done for myself now |
| 23:33.29 | wulllst | fsmithred: what is your desktop environment? |
| 23:33.33 | fsmithred | xfce |
| 23:33.36 | wulllst | you see |
| 23:33.43 | fsmithred | but not standard devuan install |
| 23:33.57 | fsmithred | I started with minimal and built up |
| 23:34.07 | wulllst | desktop environment usually offer a way to do this. |
| 23:34.32 | fsmithred | yeah, I'm trying to remember if I have an openbox install on the laptop that still uses udev |
| 23:35.35 | wulllst | i mean, xfce also ha a session manager and stuff |
| 23:36.15 | fsmithred | yeah, I'm getting ready to switch to openbox to test this |
| 23:36.38 | wulllst | fsmithred: you mean on another system? |
| 23:37.25 | Juesto | tasksel fails with gnome |
| 23:37.54 | fsmithred | Juesto, that's probably a safety feature to prevent you from installing gnome |
| 23:37.58 | fsmithred | brb |
| 23:38.12 | Centurion_Dan1 | Juesto: why would you want gnome!!! |
| 23:38.25 | Juesto | not sure\ |
| 23:38.27 | Juesto | just saying |
| 23:38.31 | Juesto | that it is broken |
| 23:38.33 | Juesto | in devuan |
| 23:38.40 | Juesto | either remove or whatever |
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| 23:41.11 | Centurion_Dan | parazyd: There is probably at least a days work to make the mimimum required changes to devuan-releasebot and CI setup, and I'd want to oversee that There is nothing stopping you using a local pbuilder for building the packages |
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| 23:42.52 | parazyd | pbuilder? |
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| 23:43.23 | fsmithred | wulllst, pcmanfm automounts in my openbox |
| 23:44.05 | fsmithred | I'm on the same system |
| 23:44.26 | fsmithred | killed lightdm and then 'startx /usr/bin/openbox-session' |
| 23:45.08 | wulllst | fsmithred: ok |
| 23:45.43 | wulllst | maybe it's using a service you already installed. |
| 23:45.48 | fsmithred | maybe |
| 23:46.00 | fsmithred | I could test this on a new refracta install |
| 23:46.17 | fsmithred | if it works, then you can look at the package list and compare to yours |
| 23:46.40 | fsmithred | currently on my main rig which has all manner of extra stuff installed |
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| 23:47.16 | fsmithred | I need to go to the kitchen for a bit |
| 23:47.29 | fsmithred | I'll be back and can try that after I get some food in me |
| 23:49.02 | wulllst | ok, take your time |
| 23:49.56 | wulllst | i'll be working in my not-yet-working policykit rule in the meantime... |
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