| 00:11.17 | DocScrutinizer05 | Juesto: Wizzup: I guess devuan-fremantle must be the first distro with error reports and support inquiries from a user before it even got accomplished a pre-alpha just 10% ;-) |
| 00:11.25 | jcjordyn120 | so does anyone else have a idea about vdev? :) |
| 00:12.50 | Wizzup | hehe |
| 00:12.54 | DocScrutinizer05 | (me still thinks devuan.maemo sounds more clear and nicer than devuan-fremantle |
| 00:13.17 | Wizzup | I don't care about changing the name, but I thought you said it was copyrighted, and maemo means more than fremantle |
| 00:13.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | nobody will ever search for fremantle in distrosearch |
| 00:13.35 | Wizzup | (What I meant to say is that I am indifferent about the name) |
| 00:13.47 | DocScrutinizer05 | it *is* copyrighted *by community* |
| 00:13.49 | Wizzup | I specifically didn't go for maemo, since there are more maemo's than maemo5 |
| 00:13.54 | Wizzup | Aha. |
| 00:14.25 | DocScrutinizer05 | so *we* own 'maemo' trademark :-D |
| 00:14.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | last Nokia gift to maemo community |
| 00:14.46 | Wizzup | well, if you want it to be called maemo, I'm ok with that. We can also just put in the desc. |
| 00:15.13 | Juesto | lol |
| 00:15.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | fremantle is pretty cryptic, "nobody" really ever heard of it |
| 00:15.30 | Juesto | :) |
| 00:16.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think an appealing name is important |
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| 00:17.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.fremantle.org/ :-S |
| 00:17.26 | parazyd | :D |
| 00:17.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | compare maemo.org |
| 00:17.44 | parazyd | maemoo |
| 00:17.59 | Juesto | o_O |
| 00:17.59 | DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get moo |
| 00:18.08 | Juesto | and yeah fremantle is a australian city |
| 00:18.10 | Juesto | :s |
| 00:18.12 | Juesto | welp |
| 00:18.24 | Juesto | TIL |
| 00:19.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | ~moo |
| 00:19.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | mae! |
| 00:19.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | !moo |
| 00:19.55 | infobot | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:19.59 | Juesto | lol |
| 00:20.11 | Juesto | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.28 | jcjordyn120 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.29 | jcjordyn120 | xD |
| 00:20.35 | golinux | <jcjordyn120> so does anyone else have a idea about vdev? :) Ping rrq. He may not be available atm though. |
| 00:20.42 | Juesto | wew |
| 00:20.51 | jcjordyn120 | golinux, ok. |
| 00:20.59 | Juesto | Feels like a Windows 95 ad about cows :D |
| 00:21.03 | jcjordyn120 | rrq, hi. |
| 00:21.06 | Juesto | 9x* |
| 00:22.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: JFYI: spoken 'may_mow' |
| 00:23.27 | parazyd | yep :D |
| 00:23.42 | parazyd | maheemo |
| 00:24.20 | DocScrutinizer05 | better than Me Ego |
| 00:24.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) |
| 00:24.36 | parazyd | lol |
| 00:25.07 | DocScrutinizer05 | OT in here |
| 00:25.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | sorry |
| 00:27.59 | jcjordyn120 | sh: 1: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 00:28.04 | jcjordyn120 | lolz |
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| 00:45.56 | fsmithred | jcjordyn120, what are you trying to do now? |
| 00:46.10 | jcjordyn120 | fsmithred, about? |
| 00:46.30 | fsmithred | permission denied |
| 00:46.41 | jcjordyn120 | fsmithred, ah I tried to '/exec /dev/null' |
| 00:46.50 | jcjordyn120 | didn't work as I expeted xD |
| 00:47.00 | Juesto | lol |
| 00:47.10 | fsmithred | what did you expect to happen? |
| 00:47.22 | jcjordyn120 | fsmithred, permission denied. |
| 00:47.39 | fsmithred | maybe you need to be root |
| 00:47.53 | jcjordyn120 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.57 | fsmithred | I know |
| 00:48.21 | fsmithred | maybe you shouldn't do it - the universe might disappear |
| 00:48.45 | jcjordyn120 | sh: 1: /dev/urandom: Permission denied |
| 00:48.51 | jcjordyn120 | this might make the universe get fat. |
| 00:49.01 | fsmithred | lol |
| 00:49.12 | jcjordyn120 | lol |
| 00:49.35 | fsmithred | time to eat |
| 00:49.40 | fsmithred | good luck with vdev |
| 00:49.50 | jcjordyn120 | fsmithred, have fun eating :D |
| 00:49.57 | jcjordyn120 | and I will. |
| 00:52.46 | Juesto | Apparently pastebinit requires api key |
| 00:52.51 | Juesto | from pastebin.com |
| 00:53.03 | Juesto | can we change the default paste site to debian or something? |
| 00:58.44 | rrq | jcjordyn120: A) which vdev did you clone and when, and B) what's the apparent problem (not I'm at 11:55 midday, and intermittently on irc) |
| 01:02.42 | jcjordyn120 | rrq, master. and new dev nodes are owned by root:root, have the permissions 0600 and it doens't notify clients via libudev-compat. |
| 01:04.13 | rrq | have you tried removing the /dev directory (when running via live CD) to clean up? |
| 01:04.39 | jcjordyn120 | it's a devtmpfs. |
| 01:05.11 | rrq | fine. Is it all /dev nodes or "just" some new ones? |
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| 01:05.24 | jcjordyn120 | just the new ones. |
| 01:05.30 | jcjordyn120 | and the old ones have the correct permissions |
| 01:05.52 | rrq | right. is this on plugging in a certain USB device? |
| 01:06.22 | jcjordyn120 | I seem to get it with any kind of storage device. |
| 01:06.27 | jcjordyn120 | I haven't tested it with other devices. |
| 01:07.35 | rrq | ok... I'll need to check ... |
| 01:07.40 | jcjordyn120 | ok |
| 01:10.50 | rrq | can you set loglevel=debug and restart vdev ? |
| 01:10.59 | rrq | in /etc/vdev/vdevd.conf |
| 01:11.13 | jcjordyn120 | already had it set. |
| 01:11.17 | rrq | good. |
| 01:11.27 | jcjordyn120 | I see it's only running two actions. |
| 01:11.36 | jcjordyn120 | zzz-udev-compat and zzz-event-push |
| 01:12.20 | rrq | ah, when you plug in the disk there is only that bit of logging in /run/vdev/vdevd.log ? |
| 01:12.45 | jcjordyn120 | it gives me a whole lot of logging. |
| 01:12.54 | jcjordyn120 | like 7 different subsystems. |
| 01:13.14 | rrq | ok; can you dump that somewhere... or email me? |
| 01:13.38 | jcjordyn120 | I'll try to dump it. |
| 01:13.44 | jcjordyn120 | it's huge. |
| 01:13.48 | rrq | I want to find out what the parameters are and why they don't trigger any "disk" rules |
| 01:14.36 | rrq | maybe zip and email me... I need to go ... maybe back in the avo |
| 01:14.47 | jcjordyn120 | ok |
| 01:15.32 | jcjordyn120 | rrq, wait... what is your email. |
| 01:15.36 | jcjordyn120 | s/./? |
| 01:16.10 | jcjordyn120 | nvm I found it in some old devuan logs. |
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| 01:40.41 | pedropt | well , i have to admit that as time passes by more i like devuan |
| 01:41.26 | Juesto | ;) |
| 01:41.34 | pedropt | today i installed devuan on a Acer aspire v5-122p from a friend |
| 01:41.56 | pedropt | i also installed windows 8 , this means that the computer will have dual boot |
| 01:42.39 | pedropt | When i installed windows 8 , wifi was not working and wifi driver from Acer does no made it work |
| 01:42.49 | pedropt | i had to pick a driver from HP |
| 01:43.12 | pedropt | however , when i installed Devuan , was a straight shot |
| 01:43.31 | pedropt | everything detected on first boot |
| 01:43.34 | pedropt | and working |
| 01:43.37 | pedropt | perfectly |
| 01:44.20 | pedropt | the only change i made in devuan was install ati proprietary drivers that by default is not installed in any linux distribution |
| 01:44.55 | pedropt | but was just installing the kernel header and the build-essential package , and was done . |
| 01:45.19 | pedropt | Boot time to linux Vs to wondows 8 have a large difference |
| 01:45.47 | pedropt | this is a shitty computer , but i can get into devuan in less than 1 minute |
| 01:46.05 | pedropt | while on windows 8 it took me almost 3 minutes |
| 01:47.34 | pedropt | iI already installed Devuan on 3 computers i have , and 1 of them is a cloud server |
| 01:47.52 | pedropt | works smoothly without any issues |
| 01:48.12 | pedropt | i never had this experience with debian jessie |
| 01:48.51 | pedropt | i think systemd already sucks by the way it works but also delays a lot the OS |
| 01:49.47 | pedropt | However , i only have 1 minor thing with devuan , and that happened when i try do change from debian jessie to devuan jessie |
| 01:51.37 | pedropt | i could not do it by using the documentation , there are some lack of stuff there , and you are unable to remove systemd libraries if the current kernel is working with them , but if you reboot then they will load again |
| 01:52.03 | pedropt | i believe this happened because i was doing everything with desktop environment opened . |
| 01:52.39 | pedropt | Resuming , i had to clear the partition of the current debian jessie and install devuan from dvd from start . |
| 01:52.55 | pedropt | An advice for people that have repositories |
| 01:54.21 | pedropt | many people have hight speed internet connection , and when doing a dist-upgrade with 2xx files , the download will be very fast from client , and most of packages are between 100k to 1 M |
| 01:54.32 | Juesto | pedropt: tried from chroot in recovery or live ? |
| 01:54.42 | pedropt | wait |
| 01:54.47 | pedropt | let me finish |
| 01:55.27 | Juesto | Cant you just pastebin it or write everything in a single line as best as you can? |
| 01:55.41 | pedropt | what this means is that a person that is able to download at 13M/S , will download all those packages in less than 2 minutes |
| 01:56.10 | pedropt | repositories servers have a massive file requests in a short time period |
| 01:56.24 | jcjordyn120 | welp I had loglevel set to info and not debug *face palm* |
| 01:56.56 | pedropt | i notice that repositories may detect those fasts requests as a denial of service attack and stop the package downloads |
| 01:57.27 | pedropt | for 2 times i had to do apt-get dist-upgrade --fix-missing because of this |
| 01:57.58 | pedropt | and one of the the times were when i was installing this devuan on aspide from net install image |
| 01:58.29 | pedropt | witch means that all distro files will be downloaded all by web . |
| 01:59.59 | pedropt | so it is advised to inform the administrators of the repositories around the globe to give a little adjust to ther firewalls |
| 02:00.26 | pedropt | If i had a 1M/s internet connection then this did not had happen |
| 02:01.51 | pedropt | Juesto , i tryed in live |
| 02:02.00 | pedropt | that is why i fck up |
| 02:02.13 | pedropt | however , everything is fine now |
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| 02:57.46 | Xenguy | Juesto: I use that pastebin, but not sure how popular it is in this channel :) |
| 02:58.06 | Juesto | Xenguy: its just that pastebinit gives api keys error :/ |
| 02:58.22 | Xenguy | Fix needed, sure |
| 02:58.44 | Juesto | likely because of pastebin.com requiring it? |
| 02:59.31 | Xenguy | I don't mind using debian's myself (or whoever runs it) - after all, Devuan is directly benefiting and extending Debian's work :) |
| 03:02.16 | Xenguy | (I meant benefiting *from* I think) |
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| 03:27.00 | DocScrutinizer05 | alias pastebinit='nc termbin.com 9999' |
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| 03:41.08 | Juesto | :| |
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| 08:57.38 | Se7en | Something is wropng with Apt. It is hanging on connection to auto.mirror.devuan.org and takes at least 5 minutes to get package headers for the jessie-updates section |
| 09:00.29 | Gup | let me try here... |
| 09:03.30 | Gup | seems pretty quick to me, maybe local network issues |
| 09:04.01 | Gup | ? |
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| 10:52.18 | ttr | wasn't auto.mirror geoip or something like this enabled ? so you two might be hitting different server locations ? |
| 11:12.14 | enyc | is there something resembling a plan for stretch? is there likely to be something resembling a devuan release/installer image along with/shortly after debian stretch ? |
| 11:20.02 | Gup | ttr, yeah thats a good point... mine resolves to packages.devuan.org (46.105.191.77) |
| 11:20.30 | Gup | Se7en, can you ping auto.mirror.devuan.org ok? |
| 11:20.48 | Se7en | I found the error a while ago |
| 11:20.57 | Se7en | My swap space was depleated so the whole system was running slow |
| 11:21.13 | Se7en | I installed OSSd when diagnosing pulse a few days ago and it was taking all resources |
| 11:21.27 | Gup | ahh that old chestnut |
| 11:21.43 | Gup | cool, glad you're sorted |
| 11:22.44 | Gup | time for some more RAM? ;) |
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| 14:40.25 | neutron_stz | Se7en: maybe dns requests are slow to slove auto.mirror.devuan.org |
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| 17:58.08 | edbarx | I need to have mkdir(path, S_IRWXU | S_IRWXG | S_IRWXO) create a directory before any succeeding statements are executed. Can anyone help, please? |
| 18:07.00 | zdzichu | dir is created when mkdir returns, unless there was an error - in such case mkdir returns an error |
| 18:07.25 | zdzichu | do you need to mkdir whole path? |
| 18:08.58 | Juesto | isnt better absolute path instead of relative :) |
| 18:09.45 | zdzichu | edbarx: see mkdir_p() function here http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-cvslog/2016-October/102275.html |
| 18:10.13 | zdzichu | or here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2336242/recursive-mkdir-system-call-on-unix |
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| 18:16.40 | edbarx | My question is not about creating a directory path recursively but to create the end directory immediately so that successive statements would be able to use the newly created directory. |
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| 18:18.45 | edbarx | I am using "/run/simple-netaid". simple-netaid is lost on system shutdown. mkdir() is failing to create directory "simple-netaid" before it returns, what can I do? |
| 18:21.38 | zdzichu | it's impossible |
| 18:21.51 | zdzichu | do you check error code on mkdir return? |
| 18:22.01 | zdzichu | I smell permission denied here |
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| 18:29.13 | edbarx | The program has root privileges. What error should I look for? |
| 18:30.41 | furrywolf | is your /run a tmpfs that automagically vanishes things by design? |
| 18:32.44 | furrywolf | bbl |
| 18:32.55 | Juesto | i have upstart |
| 18:33.00 | Juesto | but why it is failing? |
| 18:33.26 | Juesto | it says failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: connection refused |
| 18:33.36 | Juesto | i cant use runlevel 1 because of this |
| 18:33.44 | Juesto | help? |
| 18:38.50 | zdzichu | edbarx: any error |
| 18:39.01 | zdzichu | maybe there's a file with the same name already present |
| 18:39.17 | zdzichu | running as root is more the reason to check for return codes |
| 18:39.31 | zdzichu | if you ignore them, you could be opening security vulnerability |
| 18:40.15 | Hestben | edbarx: zdzichu Or maybe the file system could be mounted read only |
| 18:41.16 | edbarx | The file system is read/write as other processes use it. This is /run. |
| 18:41.17 | zdzichu | yes, there could be couple of reasons |
| 18:42.15 | zdzichu | the famous sendmail capabilities bug was caused by sendmail not checking errors from setuid(), because it run as root and didn't expect failure |
| 18:42.30 | edbarx | zdzichu: error is zero |
| 18:44.02 | Hestben | edbarx: That sounds strange. Check that the folder is there after the mkdir call in the code, then |
| 18:44.11 | zdzichu | can you run "strace -s500 -etrace=file -f -o trace.log simple-netaid" and capture the failure? |
| 18:45.06 | Hestben | What is the gui archiver called? |
| 18:45.14 | edbarx | Yes, the directory is created, but computers are faster than human beings. I need to make certain when mkdir return the directory is available. |
| 18:45.21 | Hestben | I seem to have uninstalled it when doing upgrades to devuan. |
| 18:47.25 | edbarx | I placed shifted the mkdir call further towards the beginning of code to make sure enough time passes after the mkdir call and the first time the directory is accessed. But I think this type of solution is not optimal. |
| 18:49.45 | edbarx | c |
| 18:51.05 | Hestben | edbarx: So the system call returns before the directory is accessible from the file system? Sounds evil. |
| 18:51.27 | zdzichu | edbarx: provide strace output, please |
| 18:51.37 | zdzichu | Hestben: sounds inplausible at least |
| 18:53.18 | Hestben | Found which package is the default debian archive manager: file-roller |
| 18:54.26 | Juesto | that's gnome |
| 18:54.55 | Hestben | Juesto: Yes, that was the one I was using |
| 18:55.35 | edbarx | zdzichu: how should I run strace to trace backend running? |
| 18:56.01 | Hestben | I think that is the default one you get. Or I have got it somewhere else. This system may have been installed as a gnome system and merged to xfce along the way. |
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| 19:17.36 | edbarx | strace is showing that the line that should create the directory is not used. Something is escaping me, but that is due to human nature not crystal balls. |
| 19:20.37 | edbarx | I have been debugging for a long time and getting tired is only natural. |
| 19:21.17 | edbarx | Thanks for anyone who tried to help. |
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