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| 01:25.43 | crhylove | Gup: I'm using beta 2 |
| 01:25.48 | crhylove | I'll try again from scratch. |
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| 01:29.52 | crhylove | Choos a mirror of Devuan archive: |
| 01:29.58 | crhylove | Despite I tell it no network already. |
| 01:30.42 | crhylove | Bad Archive Mirror. No matter what I do. |
| 01:31.01 | crhylove | This is beta 2 DVD. I select Install (not graphical install), and then my country, then I get here. |
| 01:39.58 | Juesto | crhylove: did you configure network? sounds likely not |
| 01:42.31 | crhylove | Tried config network 20 diff ways. I currently have it disabled in the VM because otherwise the repos time out. |
| 01:42.38 | crhylove | I have a weird internet connection. |
| 01:43.01 | crhylove | I'm trying to install from DVD. Then I can run updates piecemeal or proxy them or something. |
| 01:45.42 | crhylove | Trying Expert Install now.... |
| 01:47.47 | crhylove | Debootstrap Error Failed to determine the codename for the release. |
| 01:47.53 | crhylove | Every. Time. |
| 01:48.05 | crhylove | There's no way to just ONLY install from the DVD?!? |
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| 01:51.51 | crhylove | Trying now with a speed limit set on that VM. |
| 01:52.02 | crhylove | gets creative |
| 01:53.33 | crhylove | Retrieving Packages... |
| 01:55.16 | crhylove | Usually dies on Retrieving libc6... |
| 01:55.19 | crhylove | That's where it is now. |
| 01:57.50 | Weeezy | did you make it? |
| 01:58.32 | Juesto | crhylove: do not set up or use a mirron then? |
| 01:59.01 | Juesto | Did you try skipping steps? |
| 01:59.40 | Juesto | in the expert installer try disabling installer components |
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| 02:20.30 | Weeezy | I'm going to be up all night wondering about this now. :) |
| 02:31.19 | Juesto | ? |
| 02:31.21 | Juesto | lol |
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| 02:46.51 | fsmithred | crhylove, did you check the md5sum on the download? |
| 02:47.09 | fsmithred | I have installed from the amd64 DVD without a network connection. |
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| 03:40.52 | crhylove | Tried disabling steps in expert installer, still no joy. |
| 03:41.02 | crhylove | Would like to know how fsmithred did it. LOL |
| 03:41.11 | crhylove | Still stuck on libc6. |
| 03:42.15 | crhylove | And I ran the "Verify CD" thing, too. |
| 03:50.09 | Xenguy | crhylove: I assume this has to do with your VM environment, or am I wrong? |
| 04:02.35 | crhylove | Xenguy: No, the VM environment is fine. I have a weird internet connection with queueing issues. |
| 04:02.53 | crhylove | So it will pull updates for wheezy, but not dev beta 1. |
| 04:03.00 | crhylove | It times out. |
| 04:03.19 | Xenguy | OK, I did get the impression of an anomoly somehow |
| 04:03.51 | crhylove | I just want to install using DVD only, and can't figure out how to do that. |
| 04:05.24 | Xenguy | As it happens I run both wheezy, and devuan, on separate boxes... |
| 04:06.16 | Xenguy | I've noticed that doing updates on wheezy is significantly faster than updating on devuan, but I just assumed that had to do with infrastructure and hardware configurations |
| 04:07.28 | Xenguy | It is odd though that your net connection times out with devuan's mirror(s) |
| 04:11.40 | Juesto | Perhaps try another mirror? maybe a specific address? |
| 04:11.46 | Juesto | not a roundrobin |
| 04:13.26 | Xenguy | I'm not certain that Devuan's infrasturcture is as multifaceted as Debian's tho |
| 04:14.03 | Xenguy | (Or perhaps 'distributed' is a better word) |
| 04:14.37 | Xenguy | Eventually it would be a good idea, I think, to expand the network of Devuan mirrors |
| 04:14.54 | Xenguy | Redundancy is our friend, and all that |
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| 05:02.43 | crhylove | Yeah, at this point, I'd be willing to host a repo. LOL |
| 05:03.44 | crhylove | Trying Graphical Automated Install. Just because it's one of the only things I haven't tried yet. LOL |
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| 05:06.00 | crhylove | Retrieving Packages... |
| 05:07.25 | golinux | keeps fingers crossed . . . |
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| 07:13.37 | crhylove | ..Nope. |
| 07:13.40 | crhylove | *sigh* |
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| 09:25.45 | Gup | crhylove, wow you really were up all night! still no luck I guess? |
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| 09:30.52 | Gup | I've just done another dvd install using beta2 and took note of the steps: if I select "do not configure a network at this time" it doesn't even ask me for a network mirror or any net related questions |
| 09:33.00 | Gup | i've also just tried the same with beta1 and even though i select "do not configure a network at this time" it still asks for a network mirror and then continues to give the "bad network mirror" error you are experiencing |
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| 09:34.56 | Gup | sorry to question what you've already stated, but are you 100% sure you've not somehow installing from beta1? |
| 09:36.14 | Gup | during install you can switch to another tty (e.g ctrl-alt-f2) and check with 'head /cdrom/README.txt' |
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| 12:55.15 | Ryushin | I've encountered a couple of bugs in the jessie-backports for the zfsonlinux packages. Should I report them using the Debian bug tracker or the Devuan bug tracker (if there is one.) |
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| 13:25.14 | parazyd | Ryushin: debian, it's their backports |
| 13:25.32 | parazyd | unfortunately you're on your own for now if you are using backports |
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| 13:30.23 | Ryushin | parazyd: Okay, thanks. Is ascii using zfsonlinux? |
| 13:31.12 | parazyd | no idea |
| 13:31.21 | parazyd | i prefer btrfs |
| 13:32.24 | Ryushin | Looking up apt-file issues, I saw that amprolla can fix that. Though I cannot find the apt-source for using amprolla. |
| 13:34.02 | Ryushin | parazyd: Seems to be big differences in stability compared to btrfs and zfs. I'll need to see where btrfs is compared to ZFS is now. I have not looked at it in a year. |
| 13:34.30 | parazyd | on my gentoo i use it regularly for / and /home |
| 13:34.37 | parazyd | no issues ever |
| 13:34.54 | Ryushin | Highly doubt though I would switch. zfs send receive and all of zfs' functionality. |
| 13:35.30 | Ryushin | Several servers. One with 75 hard drives 320TB (right now) and the ability to scale it to a petabyte. |
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| 14:30.53 | fsmithred | crhylove 11:02 pm So it will pull updates for wheezy, but not dev beta 1. |
| 14:32.18 | fsmithred | crhylove, is that a typo, or are you really using beta1? beta1 will only do netinstall. Use beta2. |
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| 17:40.19 | AlexLikeRock | morning GNUs |
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| 21:00.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | server with 75 hard drives 320TB? :-o backup must be a nightmare :-D |
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| 21:09.16 | Wizzup | nextime: ping |
| 21:09.42 | Wizzup | I want to build (maemo) packages for/on devuan, using git.devuan.org. I made a a group called 'fremantle' - https://git.devuan.org/fremantle |
| 21:09.57 | Wizzup | I want to build 'libcal', a repository in there, on the CI |
| 21:10.09 | Wizzup | How would I make that happen? Doesn it need to be 'enabled' for the CI |
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| 21:11.43 | Wizzup | Centurion_Dan: you around? |
| 21:19.26 | Juesto | Wizzup: i've build libcal successfully too :) |
| 21:19.45 | Wizzup | Juesto: yes, and I want to go through the whole process of getting devuan CI to automatically build it, and then package it in a repo |
| 21:19.50 | Wizzup | So nobody will have to do it again |
| 21:20.00 | Wizzup | I picked libcal because you said it was easy to build |
| 21:21.40 | Juesto | oh okay |
| 21:21.42 | Juesto | Yeah |
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| 21:26.39 | DocScrutinizer05 | is happy his suggestion of ages ago to 'marry' maemo and devuan seems to finally thrive |
| 21:26.47 | Juesto | lol |
| 21:27.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | I think it's a huge benefit for both sides |
| 21:28.18 | Juesto | im looking forward for seeing the gitlab progress |
| 21:28.28 | Juesto | i mean, i want to see it directly :3 |
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| 22:21.58 | AlexLikeRock | GNUs o/ |
| 22:32.12 | Centurion-Dan2 | Wizzup: Yep. |
| 22:34.55 | parazyd | Centurion_Dan: can you add autobuild to our group? |
| 22:35.15 | Centurion_Dan | Wizzup, will it be a derivative - ie based of devuan? |
| 22:35.31 | parazyd | we are porting maemo to devuan |
| 22:35.50 | parazyd | so, you could say so :) |
| 22:36.39 | Centurion_Dan | parazyd: the problem is that anything built on our gitlab currently goes into devuan... we probably want a separate repo for maemo with it's own amprolla setup. |
| 22:36.52 | Centurion_Dan | is the distrobution going to be called maemo? |
| 22:37.23 | parazyd | we don't know yet. jaromil gave the green light to use devuan's CI for this |
| 22:38.04 | parazyd | the separate amprolla was my plan as well |
| 22:38.28 | parazyd | it's not ready yet it seems... but indeed is the way to go |
| 22:38.52 | Centurion_Dan | I'll need time to make changes for this in our devuan-releasebot and jenkins as well. |
| 22:39.14 | parazyd | what needs to be done exactly? |
| 22:40.18 | Juesto | Centurion_Dan: maemo exists itself, this is fremantle-gtk2 github |
| 22:40.25 | Juesto | is a debian based mobile os |
| 22:40.28 | Centurion_Dan | However, any packages that would not create a conflict in devuan and could be useful beyond fremantle can be built for devuan anyway |
| 22:40.37 | parazyd | keep in mind, it could not be a separate distro, but a separate repository(?) of devuan (ie. free, non-free, fremantle, etc) |
| 22:41.10 | parazyd | but don't take my word for this |
| 22:41.41 | Centurion_Dan | better for it as a derivative, so you're free to do things like setup an alternative installation image build system etc. |
| 22:42.18 | Juesto | hmm |
| 22:42.36 | Juesto | #maemo, #maemo-cssu |
| 22:42.42 | Juesto | ^ channels |
| 22:42.53 | Juesto | #maemo-ssu * |
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| 22:43.27 | Centurion_Dan | I'd also want to make it use a separate group in jenkins, so that we can grant permissions specific to manage freemantles jobs to users without allowing them to mess with devuan jobs. |
| 22:43.40 | parazyd | ack |
| 22:44.06 | Juesto | Wizzup: ^ |
| 22:44.13 | parazyd | Centurion_Dan: how do package signing and jenkins work? |
| 22:44.20 | Centurion_Dan | so from an infrastructure perspective, we need a bit of work and thought... and that shouldn't distract from getting jessie out. |
| 22:44.53 | Juesto | also pali and freemangordon are some of the cssu developers :) |
| 22:45.08 | Centurion_Dan | all signing is done by a single build-host that has the signing keys |
| 22:45.26 | parazyd | all right |
| 22:45.29 | parazyd | thanks for the info :) |
| 22:45.41 | Juesto | packages already have a signing |
| 22:45.51 | parazyd | Juesto: not via the CI |
| 22:46.16 | parazyd | which is what i mentioned to Wizzup earlier - we'll need a common key between all of us |
| 22:46.38 | Juesto | Ah |
| 22:46.46 | Juesto | Fremantle movement or something |
| 22:46.56 | parazyd | yeah don't worry about it just yet |
| 22:47.01 | Juesto | Fremantle Task Force* |
| 22:48.42 | Centurion_Dan | parazyd: we will probably want to make it more distributed, and also have each buildhost validate sources and sign it's binaries and have the repo-builder validate the buildhosts and re-sign the packages. This way we can validate which package was built where and from what signed source. We need to start encouraging signing commits and require signing release tags. |
| 22:49.13 | parazyd | indeed |
| 22:50.05 | Centurion_Dan | parazyd: I'd love to have a devuan based mobile os. I am looking at trying to get a native devuan install on my old sgs2 so I can use it as a buildhost ;-) |
| 22:50.17 | Centurion_Dan | when I have a minute :-) |
| 22:50.35 | parazyd | we got some allwinner tablets we'll try to get it on |
| 22:50.46 | parazyd | but i386/amd64 is the first |
| 22:50.54 | Juesto | Ah Centurion_Dan then you can just use the extising maemo debs |
| 22:51.01 | parazyd | so we get it there, and then see what needs to be done for ARM |
| 22:51.14 | Juesto | maemo is arm so its the opposite parazyd |
| 22:51.20 | parazyd | Juesto: aren't they too old? |
| 22:51.21 | Juesto | armel* |
| 22:51.36 | Juesto | yes but they're kind of what fremantle-gtk2 is based on |
| 22:51.53 | Juesto | also, its cssu debs actually |
| 22:52.07 | Centurion_Dan | BTW, do we have any armel, and armhf hardware at dyne we can re-assign as buildhosts - even if it runs non-stock kernels.. |
| 22:52.43 | parazyd | Wizzup mentioned he had some |
| 22:53.25 | Centurion_Dan | even if they're running raspbian, we could use them. |
| 22:53.47 | parazyd | they can run devuan |
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| 22:55.32 | Centurion_Dan | that would be better... prefer jessie. They need to be remote accessible, but we can setup openvpn to get around that if necessary. |
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| 22:59.13 | parazyd | sure, let's see what Wizzup has to say |
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| 23:12.55 | Juesto | parazyd: DocScrutinizer05 is here too ;) |
| 23:13.27 | parazyd | :p |
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| 23:17.25 | jcjordyn120 | do I get support for vdev here? |
| 23:17.54 | parazyd | ask, the devs could be here |
| 23:18.42 | jcjordyn120 | when I plug in a usb storage device the dev node is created but it's owned by root:root and has the permissions 0600. it also doesn't notify clients with libudev-compat. |
| 23:18.55 | jcjordyn120 | so for ex: caja doesn't show up a icon. |
| 23:25.41 | fsmithred | jcjordyn120, how did you install vdev? |
| 23:26.54 | jcjordyn120 | fsmithred, git clone and lots of make. |
| 23:27.09 | fsmithred | there are deb packages you can install |
| 23:27.12 | jcjordyn120 | I'm not using devuan by the way. |
| 23:27.17 | fsmithred | and I didn't |
| 23:27.17 | fsmithred | oh |
| 23:27.28 | fsmithred | what then? |
| 23:27.50 | fsmithred | which linux you running? |
| 23:27.51 | jcjordyn120 | Void. |
| 23:28.04 | fsmithred | I don't know about it |
| 23:28.22 | fsmithred | the problem may be in the action files |
| 23:28.32 | fsmithred | they set the permissions on stuff you plug in |
| 23:29.00 | fsmithred | I didn't have any trouble with usb storage, but I had to do some editing to get my scanner to work |
| 23:29.16 | jcjordyn120 | I checked the debug logs. and vdev is only running the action files named 'zzz-udev-compat.act' and 'zzz-event-push.act' |
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| 23:29.52 | fsmithred | hang on while I boot up a vm to see what's there |
| 23:29.56 | jcjordyn120 | ok |
| 23:30.25 | Wizzup | Centurion_Dan: I have mainline ARM hw for you |
| 23:30.38 | Wizzup | Some quad cores running mainline linux |
| 23:30.47 | Wizzup | both have 2GB, and clock at around 1.7Ghz |
| 23:30.54 | Wizzup | one has a SATA interface, one has USB |
| 23:32.07 | Wizzup | An IFC6410 (quadcore qualcomm with SATA), and an ODROID-U2 (usb2), and also, somewhere, an ODROID XU3 (usb3). Also have some Olimex LIME2's (dual core 1Ghz, SATA) |
| 23:32.17 | Wizzup | Any of these (preferrably not _all_) can be donated / used |
| 23:32.59 | Wizzup | I have spare IPs if they have to run at my place. But I can also hand them to parazyd to host them at a better place |
| 23:34.33 | Centurion_Dan | Wizzup: Excellent! Whatever suits you as far as hosting is concerned. Can they be made to run stock devuan easily? |
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| 23:36.54 | parazyd | i'll ask jaromil and see if bridge is doable |
| 23:37.06 | parazyd | Wizzup: do they need cooling? |
| 23:37.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | whatsup? |
| 23:37.30 | Wizzup | parazyd: the IFC does, the ODROID U2 does not, the ODROID XU3 has its own fan |
| 23:37.37 | Wizzup | the olimex also does not |
| 23:37.42 | Wizzup | I don't know what speed you'd need |
| 23:38.06 | parazyd | not sure |
| 23:38.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: you pinged me? |
| 23:38.40 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, about all the build stuff. we'll need to run our own amprolla somewhere eventually |
| 23:38.42 | Centurion_Dan | I prefer whatever is faster to get them running so we have real build machines. We would like ideally about 40GB storage, Perhaps we can get some small SSD's for them or alternatively use nfs or NBD from somewhere else provided they have gigabit ethernet. If we can get 1 setup running armel and one setup running armhf for a start, that would be brilliant. |
| 23:38.51 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: do you have anything in mind? |
| 23:39.19 | Wizzup | Centurion_Dan: I think armel will just run on armhf hw |
| 23:39.30 | Juesto | oh really? |
| 23:39.31 | parazyd | it will of course |
| 23:39.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'm sure you don't want the szandard devuan amprolla for maemo |
| 23:39.42 | parazyd | armel works everywhere |
| 23:39.55 | fsmithred | jcjordyn120, I'm going to pastebin my action files for you to compare |
| 23:39.59 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: no, we actually do, only then devuan would be its upstream and not debian |
| 23:40.01 | Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: yep, they dont want it, see above :) |
| 23:40.05 | Juesto | Ahhhh |
| 23:40.07 | jcjordyn120 | fsmithred, ok |
| 23:40.10 | Juesto | apologies |
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| 23:40.18 | DocScrutinizer05 | so far maemo got deployed via update repos and images to flash. Obviously that doesn't apply anymore when it gets ported to other platforms |
| 23:40.39 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: the plan now as i see it is release it all in installable debs |
| 23:40.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: I'd say so far maemo has no 'upstream' |
| 23:40.50 | parazyd | so we host our own repository |
| 23:41.00 | Wizzup | Centurion_Dan: So you'd want it for firefox and such as well, yeah? |
| 23:41.05 | Juesto | and cssu? |
| 23:41.26 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: i meant packages... i'm sure we don't want to compile all n0000 packages |
| 23:41.35 | DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU ports selected patches found in upstream to the maemo5 system |
| 23:41.38 | Juesto | n900 * |
| 23:41.58 | parazyd | Juesto: i meant n0000 as in n-thousands |
| 23:42.03 | parazyd | :p |
| 23:42.09 | Juesto | Most of the packages are standard debian ones |
| 23:42.12 | DocScrutinizer05 | I guess no upstream package using hildon desktop so far |
| 23:42.42 | Juesto | and the nokia sdk vm is on lucid, they built the os with ubuntu |
| 23:42.58 | DocScrutinizer05 | that's irrelevant |
| 23:43.26 | Juesto | well that gives one an idea of how old is maemo :) |
| 23:43.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | and actually a _lot_ of packages has maemo-specific patches |
| 23:43.39 | Juesto | interesting |
| 23:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | maemo is *based* on a pre-systemd debian |
| 23:44.34 | parazyd | lenny or something |
| 23:44.36 | Wizzup | OK |
| 23:44.40 | Wizzup | So here's what I will do |
| 23:44.41 | fsmithred | jcjordyn120, http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/action_files.txt |
| 23:44.46 | Juesto | yeah lenny and squeezy |
| 23:44.50 | Wizzup | Take packages from maemo, ones that FMG is working on, and make them work on devuan. |
| 23:44.54 | Wizzup | s/maemo/fremantle/ |
| 23:45.04 | fsmithred | text file contains file name and contents of all action files |
| 23:45.12 | fsmithred | all the ones I have |
| 23:45.16 | Wizzup | Everything else I am not concerned with, I just want them to work with modern / mainstream sw and a distro |
| 23:45.33 | Wizzup | As far as I can see - that will end in a repository, that one can add, and install, say, hildon-desktop. |
| 23:45.36 | parazyd | ^^ this is all that's needed |
| 23:45.39 | Juesto | also, theres fremantle-gtk3 and its kind of experimental |
| 23:45.43 | Wizzup | I don't want to think any further than that |
| 23:45.56 | DocScrutinizer05 | wosounds like a sane first approach |
| 23:45.57 | Juesto | and hildon ui is also WIP |
| 23:46.02 | DocScrutinizer05 | Wizzup: ^^ |
| 23:46.06 | Wizzup | :) |
| 23:46.14 | jcjordyn120 | fsmithred, there all the same. |
| 23:46.18 | jcjordyn120 | as mine that is. |
| 23:46.32 | fsmithred | jcjordyn120, you should also look at the helper scripts |
| 23:46.37 | fsmithred | really? |
| 23:46.41 | jcjordyn120 | yes |
| 23:47.00 | parazyd | Wizzup: Centurion_Dan needs to setup the CI a little bit first. because these packages aren't ending up in devuan. so we have to wait until he makes a new group or something in the CI |
| 23:47.12 | parazyd | is not quite familiar with the internals |
| 23:47.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, sounds correct |
| 23:47.41 | Wizzup | parazyd: I don't expect them to end up in mainstream devuan at this point |
| 23:47.49 | parazyd | they wont ever |
| 23:47.52 | Wizzup | ok, cool |
| 23:48.02 | parazyd | afterwards, we need to setup our own amprolla |
| 23:48.06 | Wizzup | ok |
| 23:48.20 | parazyd | and fremantle packages go there |
| 23:48.27 | Wizzup | :) |
| 23:48.34 | Juesto | one more thing, Wizzup, parazyd, if the repository has clutter or gtk2 or clutter+gtk2 branches, switch to it, |
| 23:48.40 | Juesto | or similar names |
| 23:48.42 | parazyd | simply put it's: fremantle+amprolla <--- devuan packages <--- debian packages |
| 23:48.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | I am a total noob on that domain, but probably we want to somewhat 'import' packages from devuan and then apply our maemo specific patches on top, and *maybe eventually* 'upstream' the result into devuan |
| 23:48.59 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: anything needed patching we simply fork |
| 23:49.06 | jcjordyn120 | wow this channel gets logged in real-time. :D |
| 23:49.07 | Juesto | DocScrutinizer05: on separate packages, sure |
| 23:49.09 | Wizzup | which hopefully isn't a lot |
| 23:49.13 | parazyd | ^^ |
| 23:49.18 | Juesto | iirc it is a lot |
| 23:49.24 | Wizzup | Juesto: what makes you think that |
| 23:49.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: fork is prolly just the better term for exactly what I meant |
| 23:49.30 | Juesto | remember its a entire pre-systemd complete os |
| 23:49.34 | parazyd | DocScrutinizer05: :)) |
| 23:49.35 | Wizzup | what |
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| 23:49.42 | Wizzup | what does 'pre-systemd' mean |
| 23:49.43 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: unless you love quilt ;-P |
| 23:49.46 | parazyd | devuan has no systemd |
| 23:49.58 | Juesto | maemo is old debian |
| 23:50.02 | fsmithred | jcjordyn120, can I pm you? |
| 23:50.05 | jcjordyn120 | fsmithred, sure |
| 23:50.22 | Juesto | it has a patched kernel, expects things in /dev that are not even in pc(?) |
| 23:50.29 | Juesto | dsme dependant packages, etc |
| 23:50.44 | DocScrutinizer05 | no, the kernel is 'clean' afaik |
| 23:50.45 | parazyd | Juesto: that's depending on the nokia phone... |
| 23:50.46 | Juesto | everything runs and is expected to run under user:users |
| 23:50.48 | Juesto | Oh interesting |
| 23:50.53 | DocScrutinizer05 | ask pali |
| 23:51.02 | Juesto | right |
| 23:51.03 | Wizzup | We can use a mainline kernel. |
| 23:51.05 | parazyd | we don't have to care about this stuff, just making it work on our computers first |
| 23:51.09 | Wizzup | Juesto: what you're saying is mostly not relevant |
| 23:51.14 | Juesto | okay sorry |
| 23:51.17 | Wizzup | Yes, for all of maemo we will need patches, we will we also drop things |
| 23:51.21 | Wizzup | Juesto: sorry, didn't mean it like that :) |
| 23:51.21 | Juesto | then i guess just get armel first |
| 23:51.36 | Juesto | since there's already maemo packages for armel |
| 23:51.42 | parazyd | i386/amd64 |
| 23:51.45 | Juesto | ... |
| 23:51.47 | parazyd | we don't need any maemo packages |
| 23:51.48 | Wizzup | Juesto: some things will simply be dropped - e.g. closed source wifi/network managers can be replaced by a lot of nicer things |
| 23:51.54 | Juesto | ah |
| 23:51.59 | Juesto | okay |
| 23:52.15 | parazyd | well 'any' is wrong, but still... a lot less than originally in maemo |
| 23:52.22 | Juesto | ^ |
| 23:52.29 | Wizzup | Juesto: So, right now the goal is simple: take things that freemangordon has worked on, at this point mainly matchbox and h-d, and make them available as a 'desktop environment' by packaging them |
| 23:52.36 | DocScrutinizer05 | parazyd: I guess that's the master plan anyway :-) |
| 23:52.45 | Wizzup | then there are many things to tackle, but for networking, I would suggest we go with whatever devuan does initially. |
| 23:52.50 | Juesto | and remove dsme and user dependency probably |
| 23:52.52 | Wizzup | phone calls will be tricky, as will PA, but yeah. |
| 23:53.19 | parazyd | Wizzup: networkmanager was even fixed for systemd-less |
| 23:53.24 | Juesto | actually about PA... i guess it wont be a problem, i have PA installed without the esound module and sounds works |
| 23:53.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | remove dsme? why? |
| 23:53.34 | Wizzup | Perhaps a part of this can be in #maemo ? |
| 23:53.35 | Juesto | im not sure |
| 23:54.24 | Wizzup | parazyd / Centurion_Dan: let's pick this up tomorrow or whenever convenient for you. I have the hardware, I can set it up with a recent mainline kernel, give it storage (later with faster storage) and let you work on it |
| 23:55.36 | parazyd | sure |
| 23:55.49 | Wizzup | a LIME is easy for me, as I use those a lot |
| 23:55.59 | Wizzup | They are nice b/c SATA and no active cooling required, but they are not the most powerful |
| 23:56.43 | parazyd | basically what's needed is the latter 2/3 on the left list: https://ci.devuan.org/ |
| 23:56.54 | parazyd | since, as you see, are now qemus |
| 23:57.30 | Wizzup | that is probably slow |