| 00:04.29 | Centurion_Dan1 | yup, once installed you can continue to upgrade to track jessie|ascii|ceres as per your preference |
| 00:04.42 | dog_ | ok |
| 00:05.12 | dog_ | if that'll give a nice new splashscreen saying "deVUan" |
| 00:05.20 | dog_ | I'm good with that |
| 00:05.46 | fsmithred | which splash - grub or login? |
| 00:11.39 | dog_ | grub |
| 00:11.48 | dog_ | grub still says debian |
| 00:12.01 | Centurion_Dan1 | screenie? |
| 00:12.09 | dog_ | what ? |
| 00:12.19 | dog_ | screenshot ? |
| 00:12.31 | Centurion_Dan1 | yeah |
| 00:12.49 | dog_ | I might do that |
| 00:12.52 | Centurion_Dan1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.56 | fsmithred | no purple splash image? |
| 00:13.00 | dog_ | are you joking ? |
| 00:13.13 | dog_ | purple splash image is on the install |
| 00:13.18 | dog_ | wait |
| 00:13.42 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan1, what's the status on desktop-base? Is it still just in jessie-proposed? |
| 00:13.50 | dog_ | to have encrypted boot I had to reinstall grub |
| 00:14.07 | dog_ | maybe that's why I get blue grub splash ? |
| 00:14.12 | Centurion_Dan1 | yeah... had an issue with my integration efforts for xfce4 |
| 00:14.44 | dog_ | yeah , xfce did have some quirks after install |
| 00:14.56 | fsmithred | oh, I think you have to do weird stuff with grub to get a splash image with encryption. |
| 00:14.59 | Centurion_Dan1 | dog_: it was for a little while, but that got reverted because it broke somethings. |
| 00:15.19 | Centurion_Dan1 | the proper fix for that requires again forking grub |
| 00:15.49 | dog_ | it does not matter , it gets the job done |
| 00:16.46 | dog_ | dan , do you know how's work on edev going ? |
| 00:16.52 | dog_ | *eudev |
| 00:16.58 | Centurion_Dan1 | fsmithred: yeah. |
| 00:17.52 | dog_ | so normal install gives you devuan grub splash ? |
| 00:18.34 | Centurion_Dan1 | nope |
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| 00:26.37 | fsmithred | dog, in my old squeeze install that's encrypted, I had to add a splash directory to /boot |
| 00:26.46 | fsmithred | looks like this: |
| 00:26.49 | fsmithred | âââ fonts |
| 00:26.49 | fsmithred | â  âââ unicode.pf2 |
| 00:26.49 | fsmithred | âââ images |
| 00:26.49 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.17 | fsmithred | oops. all that is in /boot/splash/ |
| 00:28.54 | fsmithred | also, /boot/grub is full of .mod files and has a locale directory in it. |
| 00:29.34 | fsmithred | dog_, ^^^ |
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| 00:35.24 | Xenguy | Does anyone know if there is an easy way to determine if my installation is 32- or 64-bit ? |
| 00:37.46 | fsmithred | Xenguy, uname -r will tell you what kernel you have, but that's not a guarantee |
| 00:38.16 | fsmithred | here you go... |
| 00:38.38 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep i386 |
| 00:38.43 | fsmithred | dpkg -l |grep amd64 |
| 00:40.46 | Xenguy | fsmithred: tx... |
| 00:41.36 | Xenguy | uname -r gives: 3.16.0-4-686-pae <-- but not sure what this indicates |
| 00:42.05 | Xenguy | Running 'dpkg -l |grep i386' gives a long list, but what is the indicator for either 32 or 64 ? |
| 00:42.39 | Xenguy | brb |
| 00:45.09 | fsmithred | 32 |
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| 00:49.01 | Xenguy | fsmithred: This is 4 lines of sample output... |
| 00:49.06 | Xenguy | # dpkg -l |grep i386 |less |
| 00:49.06 | Xenguy | ii acl 2.2.52-2 i386 Access control list utilities |
| 00:49.08 | Xenguy | ii acpi 1.7-1 i386 displays information on ACPI devices |
| 00:49.11 | Xenguy | ii acpid 1:2.0.23-2 i386 Advanced Configuration and Power Interface event daemon |
| 00:58.31 | fsmithred | i386 is 32-bit. It's really 686. |
| 01:00.38 | dog_ | fsmithred: srry I was watching a movie |
| 01:01.39 | dog_ | I know where splash is , and I did change it on occasions |
| 01:02.33 | fsmithred | I don't know exactly what's needed. Probably found info in an old ubuntu post. |
| 01:03.22 | fsmithred | the point is that some files need to be available in /boot before / is decrypted. |
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| 01:06.54 | mystified | Hi Guys, Using default xfce |
| 01:07.49 | mystified | I have forgotten the name of the pkg to seach locate & run a pkg from application menu |
| 01:08.00 | mystified | can you guys help out. |
| 01:08.52 | mystified | sometimes one might be looking for a pkg & can't locate it's location, but remember the approx name |
| 01:08.54 | fsmithred | xfce4-appfinder |
| 01:09.07 | mystified | is it installed by default |
| 01:09.08 | Xenguy | F2 ? |
| 01:09.14 | Xenguy | Oh |
| 01:09.18 | fsmithred | alt-F2 |
| 01:09.33 | mystified | or i need to lah |
| 01:09.38 | mystified | ah |
| 01:09.43 | mystified | thats it. |
| 01:09.44 | mystified | I'm a dope |
| 01:10.36 | Xenguy | fsmithred: Does 686 = 64bit, or ...? |
| 01:10.44 | fsmithred | yes |
| 01:10.47 | fsmithred | no |
| 01:10.49 | Xenguy | (Sorry if I'm pestering you at a bad moment) |
| 01:10.54 | fsmithred | amd64 is 64 |
| 01:10.57 | mystified | :) |
| 01:11.16 | Xenguy | OK, well anyway it looks like I'm 32bit then |
| 01:11.21 | mystified | combination of entering terminal & irc |
| 01:11.27 | fsmithred | i386, 486, 586, 686, x86 are all 32 |
| 01:11.37 | mystified | No its bot launching my app |
| 01:11.42 | Xenguy | Good to know |
| 01:11.43 | mystified | for example |
| 01:11.56 | mystified | copyq |
| 01:11.57 | fsmithred | unless the x86 is just part of x86_64, then it's 64 |
| 01:12.35 | Xenguy | I suppose I should upgrade to 64, but I assume there's no upgrade path except to reinstall? |
| 01:12.48 | fsmithred | how much ram you got? |
| 01:13.10 | Xenguy | Look like 4Gb |
| 01:13.18 | Xenguy | *Looks |
| 01:13.41 | fsmithred | you would need to reinstall, but you probably won't get much advantage |
| 01:15.06 | Xenguy | That's probably why I haven't bothered to look at 64, but today I try to download 'keepassxc' and they only offer it in 64bit binaries AFAIK |
| 01:16.35 | Xenguy | So that's the first time I've had this kind of issue |
| 01:17.19 | Xenguy | Not sure if it will work compiling from source, but I assume it would be OK |
| 01:51.28 | fsmithred | Xenguy, what's the difference between keepassxc and keepassx? |
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| 02:31.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | do you call a taxi or do you call yje cheaper Uber car? |
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| 02:33.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | I got friends who made a living driving taxi for 20 years. I don't know a single uber driver who can live of their job and says 'thank you Uber!' |
| 02:34.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ping |
| 02:35.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | do you call a taxi or do you call yje cheaper Uber car? |
| 02:35.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | I got friends who made a living driving taxi for 20 years. I don't know a single uber driver who can live of their job and says 'thank you Uber!' |
| 02:36.23 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: wtf does that have to do with devuan? |
| 02:37.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | more generically: do you generally prefer a product that implies extinction of the product since the business model is flawed? |
| 02:38.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | just because it's the cheapest |
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| 02:39.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | golinux: I think it HAS to do wth devuan, on a meta level |
| 02:40.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | do you want an OS with 'free services' or do you want sustainable quality |
| 02:42.43 | golinux | Good grief . . . you're reaching . . . and that bot is just soooo annoying . . . |
| 02:43.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | which fucking bot??????????????????? |
| 02:43.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | you're way more OT than I could be |
| 02:51.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | while I try to put up a philosophical topic I think has relevance to Linux at large as well, you start an unrelated rant about some bot I dunno what is the reference that triggererd it and thus the relevance |
| 02:52.09 | dog_ | DocScrutinizer51: your point ? we should support windows because it has " better buisiness model" ? |
| 02:55.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 02:56.39 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: YOUR bot that answers questions. Isn't this rant in the bot? |
| 02:56.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | my point: do you really want gmail and 8.8.8.8? |
| 02:57.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | golinux: HUH? |
| 02:58.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | golinux: *I* don't own any bot |
| 02:58.34 | golinux | DocScrutinizer05: HUH? I have better things to do |
| 02:58.51 | golinux | goes off for a stretch . . . |
| 02:58.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, fine with me |
| 02:59.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | find better arguments next time |
| 03:01.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | not to mention 'isn't this rant in the bot?' makes ZILCH sense |
| 03:06.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | for all possible parse results, the answer is 'no it isn't" |
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| 03:11.21 | dog_ | what the hell is this guy ranting 'bout ? |
| 03:13.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | dog_: are you using linux because it's cheap or because you support te FOSS philosophy? |
| 03:14.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | this is a bery low level of a mindset question I'm rantiing about |
| 03:14.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | very* |
| 03:15.18 | pydsigner | DocScrutinizer51: Nothing you said before trying to make a "meta" tie-in to Devuan really made sense |
| 03:15.28 | pydsigner | And this all belongs in the OT channel anyways |
| 03:16.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | you not seeing the context isn"t already a final verdict |
| 03:30.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm aware it's slightly OT, but to help keep pace with my leaping mindc, a start point: does devuan care about ethics and future of society? do we e.g. welcome Uber app? |
| 03:31.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | should we even bother? |
| 03:34.32 | Xenguy | pydsigner: I think it totally made sense; whether it was OT is another question |
| 03:35.32 | Xenguy | I personally think that Uber is just about paying their people less (eventually they will eliminate human drivers altogether), and yes that will disrupt the taxi business model |
| 03:35.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
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| 03:36.07 | Xenguy | So Uber is bogus from square one |
| 03:36.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | I wonder what's my personal notion about it |
| 03:36.42 | Xenguy | So are any other businesses that support automation at the cost of human jobs |
| 03:37.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | now we're talking |
| 03:37.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | does devuan care? should we? |
| 03:38.08 | Xenguy | It seems this Basic Annual Income (or w/e) is coming up as a possible workaround/solution to the automation deleting jobs problem |
| 03:39.19 | Xenguy | Well, I'm sympathetic to the idea that it's good for software to be as ethical as possible, but I also realize that Devuan has technical issues that need to be focussed on right now, so, not to distract, and all that |
| 03:39.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes, though this also OT now :) No problem but I'm afraid we won't find a consens on it |
| 03:39.56 | Xenguy | True, and appreciate the reminder |
| 03:40.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | thanks for no bashing :# |
| 03:40.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | :D |
| 03:40.57 | Xenguy | uses bash cos he's a lazy admin... |
| 03:41.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm interested in ehat's hellekin and jaromil 's notion |
| 03:42.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | should devuan be po.tics? |
| 03:42.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | politics* |
| 03:42.38 | Xenguy | poetics |
| 03:42.41 | Xenguy | :) |
| 03:43.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | :) |
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| 10:06.13 | joostvb | hellekin: hi! |
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| 12:40.56 | edbarx | Soon will be testing for OPEN wifi connections with the simple-netaid upgraded. |
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| 13:14.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | reads about dyne and the political policies |
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| 15:31.20 | pedropt | hi everyone |
| 15:31.58 | pedropt | anyone here familiarized with devuan repository clone ? |
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| 16:03.28 | golinux | Attention politicos . . . please start a new channel if you want to go there. |
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| 18:34.06 | Weeezy | this might be interesting to work out. I had xfce on my devuan set up, I installed mate and removed xfce. Now when I boot I just a prompt, like I'm in a terminal. |
| 18:35.00 | Weeezy | I have internet services, I can reach the mirrors. I wonder if someone has seen this before |
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| 18:52.53 | muep | Weeezy: did you remove also your login manager when you removed mate? |
| 18:53.05 | muep | er, when you removed xfce |
| 18:57.03 | AntoFox | Weeezy: # sudo apt-get install slim xorg mate-desktop-environment or xfce4 |
| 19:09.59 | Digit | hey, just thought... didnt there used to be some kind of debian bsd project(s)? what's the chances of being able to have Devuan BSD, as well as Devuan GNU+Linux... and/or some arrangement of mutant hybrids between the two...? |
| 19:10.47 | KatolaZ | Digit: that was just a debian with a bsd kernel... |
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| 19:53.34 | Digit | so... just Devuan with a BSD kernel... f_f |
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| 20:55.56 | Weeezy | just out of curiosity, what is the benefit of a bsd kernel? |
| 20:58.42 | peetaur | bsd zfs is better |
| 20:59.01 | Lydia_K | zfs sucks on linux :/ |
| 20:59.25 | peetaur | but their nfs, iscsi, networking, disk controller stability, etc. is all junk.... so it's a trade off |
| 21:01.06 | peetaur | and FYI there's a debian + illumos kernel (fork of opensolaris) ...which possibly has better zfs also |
| 21:01.11 | peetaur | called dyson |
| 21:05.40 | OmegaPhil | bsd networking is junk? Isn't that supposed to be a strong point of BSDs? |
| 21:06.28 | CHCl3 | hi guys!!! i was thinking to migrate and I'd like to ask how developed are the repos and the stability of the versions at this system going, thnks |
| 21:07.56 | djph | it's quite good CHCl3 ... most of the repos are still fed from upstream (so Debian proper) |
| 21:09.50 | CHCl3 | thnks djph at its time I was quite curious about devuan but u know u let it go and still with debian, so i'll give a try |
| 21:10.30 | CHCl3 | one more question is it thought to be feeding the system with debian repos or is it intended to migrate to its own repos? |
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| 21:37.46 | golinux | CHCl3: Use the devuan repos. Using Debian repos directly could cause a whole lot of hurt for you. |
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| 21:47.34 | peetaur | OmegaPhil: some type of person looks at the code and whatever stuff at the low level and says it's the best... but in practice it seems the flakiest and slowest... so I don't buy it :P |
| 21:47.56 | OmegaPhil | k |
| 21:49.09 | peetaur | and I don't mean like their ssh by default going 60MB/s ... but the base network. Like take a few random linux distros and hook them up to 10Gbps and run iperf and it's all as expected...with bsd you can tune and mess with it endlessly and it's hard to get it past like 6Gpbs with a single thread. |
| 21:49.26 | OmegaPhil | Interesting |
| 21:49.31 | peetaur | and some of the suggestes solutions are insane, like you should recompile your kernel to do polling instead of interrupts (like it's 1999) |
| 21:49.35 | OmegaPhil | Sounds flamewar worthy |
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| 21:53.12 | peetaur | but most things I complain about are like for example I have one machine (you can never duplicate anything important...only happens on production of course), randomly nfsd stops working...just eats 100% cpu and won't work, but no logs or any sign of it (other than cpu and clients not working). And if you reboot, it still doesn't work (wtf!) but if you cold power up, it works again. :/ even if that's a hardware issue, it's still retarded and |
| 21:53.13 | peetaur | the OS is partially at fault. |
| 21:54.05 | peetaur | forget if it was here or #debianfork...someone mentioned something like that for the r8168 driver, but only if you boot windows and reboot to linux without power off. But I don't think that's quite the same. |
| 21:54.27 | peetaur | and he can solve it by unloading the module and loading it again |
| 21:55.32 | OmegaPhil | .... |
| 21:55.37 | OmegaPhil | sounds very dodgy |
| 21:55.46 | OmegaPhil | Hopefully nothing nefarious is going on |
| 21:55.54 | OmegaPhil | (state retention between restarts???) |
| 21:57.46 | peetaur | the windows thing is well known... windows calls some undocumented low power mode stuff that linux doesn't know about, and causes side effects. But why should it do that on a machine that has no dual boot and it's server grade intel NICs. |
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| 23:41.11 | underd0g | sup |
| 23:44.01 | Xenguy | I was confronted yesterday by software that had no 32bit binaries available, and by coincidence, today I noticed an announcement that the Arch Linux distro has decided to ditch 32bit also. |
| 23:44.22 | Xenguy | So it seems like the 64bit train has arrived ;) |
| 23:44.55 | Xenguy | kinda hopes that devuan will support 32bit for some time to come... |
| 23:45.54 | syco_ | 'cause 32 is the future |
| 23:46.24 | Xenguy | ? |
| 23:46.40 | underd0g | what's the fuss with 64 bit , are you running an ancient laptop like me ? |
| 23:47.04 | Xenguy | Not at all, I just never bothered to do the 32->64 migration |
| 23:47.32 | Xenguy | Well, then again, is 5 years old "ancient" ? :) |
| 23:48.09 | syco_ | i still own a few 8bit machines after all :] |
| 23:48.55 | underd0g | good for you bro :D |
| 23:49.17 | underd0g | you play tetris on 'em = |
| 23:49.19 | underd0g | ? |
| 23:49.49 | syco_ | need to find a suitable screen/display :] |