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10:01.47 | edbarx | almost ready upgrading backend's code. One last function, and I will start attempting to build the packages with git buildpackage. I will start the testing of the executables right away: there is no need of any packages for that. |
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10:37.49 | edbarx | To whom it may concern: since I have been using simple-netaid for over a year without serious breakages, I am thinking about changing the version number from 0.1.1 to 1.0.0. Does Devuan accept this version change? |
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10:47.51 | zdzichu | why not? |
10:47.59 | zdzichu | you're the author, you decide version numbers |
10:57.41 | edbarx | git buildpackage succeeded. OK. I asked to be certain. Thanks. |
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11:01.52 | underd0g | is anybody going to change the grub splash? it still identifies as "debian" |
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11:37.57 | Centurion_Dan1 | hmmm does it... I'll look at that .... been meaning to fork grub anyway |
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11:50.53 | Centurion_Dan1 | underd0g: ^^ |
12:09.25 | KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan1: morning (or afternoon, maybe) |
12:09.46 | Centurion_Dan1 | It is morning ... just... ;-) |
12:10.06 | KatolaZ | ;0 |
12:10.08 | KatolaZ | ;) |
12:10.12 | Centurion_Dan1 | not that I've got to bed yet :-P |
12:10.24 | KatolaZ | ahahahahah |
12:11.06 | Centurion_Dan1 | GMT+13 |
12:11.11 | KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan1: i am going to release the new version of setnet |
12:11.18 | KatolaZ | (yep, I know :D) |
12:11.27 | KatolaZ | and I will also build the deb package |
12:11.34 | Centurion_Dan1 | great! |
12:11.38 | KatolaZ | wondered whether you had any suggestion on that |
12:11.53 | KatolaZ | the package is indeed pretty straightforward |
12:12.09 | KatolaZ | and dependencies are very basic |
12:12.24 | Centurion_Dan1 | dh_make is your friend ;-) |
12:12.29 | KatolaZ | but I don't know whether there is a suggested workflow for devuan-wannabe-packages |
12:12.33 | KatolaZ | yep I kno |
12:12.40 | KatolaZ | I already have the package and everything |
12:12.48 | KatolaZ | since the very first version |
12:13.44 | KatolaZ | just wanted to check whether there is some Devuan-specific "dos-and-donts" |
12:14.16 | Centurion_Dan1 | Is is it going to be a devuan native package? |
12:16.09 | KatolaZ | well, it is a standalone package at the moment |
12:18.28 | KatolaZ | if you mean that "it will be available natively for Devuan, initially", then yes |
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12:32.51 | Centurion_Dan1 | I'll take a look and poke it into experimental. By native, is it specifically targeted and built for Devuan first, or is it intended to have broader applicability then just Devuan. |
12:33.20 | Centurion_Dan1 | ?? |
12:33.25 | KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan1: in theory it is not just foe devuan |
12:33.34 | KatolaZ | and can be used elsewhere |
12:33.40 | KatolaZ | given the small set of dependencies |
12:33.53 | KatolaZ | that's why I think it does not qualify as native |
12:34.29 | KatolaZ | I will commit the new package later |
12:34.46 | KatolaZ | and will let you know, maybe in pvt |
12:42.45 | Centurion_Dan1 | Then it should use either the source format 3.0 (git) or 3.0 (quilt). The git format is probably easier for you, but for either case we'd need to separate the "upstream" source from the debianized version of the source. |
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12:43.34 | Centurion_Dan1 | Oh, and look into git autosquash too |
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17:13.36 | pedropt | Anyone here with knowledge in how to put an usb card working in xfce4 - devuan |
17:14.07 | pedropt | usb audio card , i mean |
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17:24.58 | pydsigner | pedropt: It should be as simple as selecting the device as output |
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17:28.22 | golinux | pedropt: Run alsamixer in terminal to select device etc. if you are using alsa as default. |
17:31.01 | pedropt | it is not so easy |
17:31.07 | pedropt | the problem is not that |
17:31.23 | AlexLikeRock | dbus? |
17:31.45 | pedropt | the problem is that the card was recognized and have the driver loaded , but it dies not appear in alsa-mixer |
17:32.25 | pedropt | sorry , xfce4-mixer |
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17:33.46 | pydsigner | So check alsamixer |
17:36.55 | pedropt | when i select the card in alsamixer over terminal it says that "this sound device does not have any controls" |
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17:44.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | a 'card' (aka alsa 'PCM') doesn't have controls. It's merely a final sink (or initial source) for raw PCM data. controls are a thing of a mixer that may or may not be part of a USB audio 'card' but in any case needs more and different config effort than the mere PCM |
17:46.08 | pedropt | wait a moment (testing some stuff here) |
17:46.45 | pedropt | got it working |
17:47.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | I *think* alsa controls are in /dev/sound/pctrl* or sth like that, and it's <soundcardname>.ko module to create them |
17:47.19 | pedropt | i was able to find the issue |
17:47.34 | pedropt | i downloaded ALSA Information Script from alsa site |
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17:48.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | right approach |
17:48.52 | pedropt | after the script check everything , i notice that in the log was : |
17:48.55 | pedropt | !!Sound Servers on this system !!---------------------------- Pulseaudio: Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) Running - No |
17:49.15 | pedropt | then i applied "pulseaudio --start" |
17:49.21 | pedropt | and sound started to work |
17:49.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | ohmy PA |
17:49.36 | pedropt | however , i do not have control over the volume |
17:49.43 | furrywolf | eww |
17:50.29 | pedropt | on the xfce4-mixer icon it looks that it is mutted , but is reality the audio is working |
17:50.31 | Guest9392 | pshhhaudio) |
17:51.20 | muep | pedropt: try restarting your mixer UI if you started it without having PA running |
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17:51.52 | pedropt | ok |
17:52.20 | muep | most DE specific volume controls can control it directly, and it provides at least its own master volume as an alsa control that can be driven by any mixer UI that only knows alsa |
17:52.31 | furrywolf | re the recent wall, should we all joine and complain about systemd? :P |
17:54.56 | Guest9392 | what for |
17:57.31 | golinux | pulse audio really, really sucks. |
17:57.43 | pedropt | we do not speak about systemd here because it does not exist here ;) |
17:58.11 | golinux | We're not talking about systemd. |
17:58.28 | zdzichu | furrywolf: why would you complain about systemd on other distribution ama? |
17:58.31 | pedropt | ok , i think i know what is the problem in alsamixer |
17:58.42 | pedropt | this is a 4 channel soundcard |
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17:58.58 | pedropt | gonna make a screencap |
18:00.03 | KatolaZ | pedropt: the problem is usually that if you have PA running, it will "steal" the controls, and provide just one master and two mic controls, period. |
18:00.29 | KatolaZ | you still have to tune the controls of your card in alsamixer |
18:00.39 | KatolaZ | PA should indeed be renamed PITA |
18:00.49 | furrywolf | because fedora has been one of the primary backers of it |
18:01.26 | zdzichu | interesting viewpoint |
18:01.43 | golinux | It should not be included in a devuan install IMO |
18:01.49 | zdzichu | it took a long discussions and three relases for fedora to integrate systemd |
18:02.10 | KatolaZ | zdzichu: they actually were the first to introduce PA, though |
18:02.20 | KatolaZ | and it seems we are complaining about PA here :D |
18:02.30 | zdzichu | KatolaZ: I think Ubuntu was first |
18:02.33 | pedropt | here it is |
18:02.36 | pedropt | https://s28.postimg.org/galtem8cd/screenshotalsa.png |
18:02.37 | zdzichu | fedora waited until most bugs in kernel were fixed |
18:02.38 | KatolaZ | whatever :) |
18:02.43 | muep | IIRC fedora had PA by default before Ubuntu did |
18:02.52 | zdzichu | generally, fedora has no relevancy here |
18:03.03 | furrywolf | I'd fully support removal of pulseaudio from devuan. |
18:03.04 | KatolaZ | muep: I remember something similar, but I am not an expert of distros |
18:03.05 | zdzichu | so I'm suprised by furrywolf idea |
18:03.12 | pedropt | i have volume control on the commands down , but those are not interconnected with the main volume |
18:03.21 | furrywolf | I've been extra-annoyed at it ever since the dependencies got so absurd that gimp depends on libpulse. |
18:03.43 | muep | it is the same as with many other libs that are used to provide optional support for things |
18:04.01 | KatolaZ | pedropt: you are still looking at the PA controls |
18:04.07 | KatolaZ | you should select your card first |
18:04.18 | pedropt | it is alreeady selected |
18:04.20 | KatolaZ | and tune/unmute its controls |
18:05.14 | KatolaZ | btw pedropt: what is the issue? :D |
18:06.21 | pedropt | the issue is that the main volume is not interconnected with the card , witch means that if i need to control the volume of the card i have to open the mixer and go to a submenu "options" |
18:06.54 | KatolaZ | pedropt: stupid question: can you play any sound? |
18:07.05 | pedropt | if you look in the image , you will see on top that the main volume is with a cross on it like it it is mutted |
18:07.18 | pedropt | of corse |
18:07.21 | pedropt | it is playing |
18:07.28 | pydsigner | Dump alsa into jackd and you'll be fine |
18:07.34 | edbarx | creating/forking icons in Devuan. What should I use? 32x32 icons. |
18:09.01 | pedropt | the most interesting thing in this , is that this happened when i changed from gnome to xfce4 |
18:09.17 | pedropt | in gnome-desktop was working fine |
18:10.06 | pedropt | gonna check synaptic if i can install gnome alsa tools |
18:10.32 | KatolaZ | pedropt: installing more software is rarely a solution to a problem :) |
18:10.44 | pedropt | yup , i know |
18:11.18 | pedropt | but i am testing this , and if it works then i do not mind to have gnome-alsa working on xfce4 desktop |
18:11.27 | muep | my impression is that gnome does not really do alsa tools anymore |
18:11.28 | pedropt | i dont even know if that is possible |
18:11.40 | pedropt | ill be back in a little |
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18:35.43 | pedropt | well , it looks that my problem will take a while to solve , i will leave it for tommorow |
18:36.54 | pedropt | today i already have enough with installing a new kernel and installing graphic proprietary drivers that almost made me nuts |
18:38.03 | pedropt | this usually happens when you migrate from wheezy debian to jessie devuan , if i installed the OS from start then i did not had all these issues |
18:38.57 | pedropt | well , after all this is a challenge that makes me undrestand more |
18:41.06 | pedropt | and i like challenges ;) |
18:41.17 | pedropt | gotta go , ill be back tommorow |
18:44.57 | edbarx | Where do applications store their icon files? Is it /usr/share/? I will use /usr/share/simple-netaid/icons |
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19:00.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | whatever your audio mixer app under xfce, it most likely talks to PitA and PA in turn shanghais ALSA PCMs and their controls )if any) - so adding alsa tools on top of PitA won"t do no good |
19:01.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | you need to teach PA to use the new USB alsa card as generic standard output |
19:01.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't ask me how, PA is PITA |
19:02.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | alyernative: nuke PA and use genuine ALSA stack, though it can't handle hotplugged cards |
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19:03.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | odds are PA also can use the USB card after reboot with card attached |
19:04.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | PA *should+ be smarter but most likely isn't really |
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19:10.10 | syco_ | iop |
19:10.43 | fsmithred | edbarx, application icons go in /usr/share/pixmaps |
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20:00.03 | Gup | I briefly tried network-manager from jessie-proposed, but it didn't seem to include nm-applet. Is that a different package or has it been removed or not de-systemd'd yet or...? |
20:01.03 | muep | maybe the package that has it is named something else than nm-applet |
20:01.30 | muep | it's here https://packages.debian.org/jessie/amd64/network-manager-gnome/filelist |
20:04.04 | Gup | oh cool, thanks muep, i'll give it another shot then :) |
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20:32.22 | Chanku|Mobile | Hey |
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20:58.20 | pedropt | hi everyone |
20:59.19 | pedropt | i just came here to explain what was the problem with my audio volume not working and how did i solve it |
20:59.54 | pedropt | i will write here because this chat is logged and in future anyone may need a solution for it |
21:00.44 | pedropt | 1st of all i had 2 audio cards , the 1st one was an nvidia hdmi card and the second one was an usb audio card |
21:01.23 | pedropt | i found with module was loaded for the 1st one and blacklisted it in modprobe directory |
21:01.41 | pedropt | but even after that the second card did not show up |
21:02.06 | pedropt | then i realised that pulseaudio was not in init boot scripts |
21:02.18 | pydsigner | Ah yes the troubles with Nvidia HDMI taking priority :facepalm: |
21:02.40 | pedropt | and this was the main reason why i could not get my card workig |
21:03.14 | pedropt | so , by default is created an initiation script to /etc/init.d |
21:03.20 | pedropt | i did not went that way |
21:04.00 | pedropt | i created a bash script and put it somewhere where i could not delete it by mistake with the simple instruction |
21:04.10 | pedropt | sudo pulseaudio --start |
21:04.36 | pedropt | and added a line in rc.local to startup that script |
21:05.06 | pedropt | by doing this i am able to have my sound card working after the system boot |
21:05.41 | pedropt | the reason i used rc.local instead the normal way was because i have also other scripts starting up there |
21:05.54 | peetaur | I bind vfio-pci to all my hdmi sound cards for a similar reason :) |
21:06.00 | pedropt | one particular script is to put my network card working |
21:06.18 | pedropt | this network card works perfect if you only have a linux box |
21:06.51 | pedropt | but if you have a dual system like i have , when you go to windows , and then go back to linux , the card stop working |
21:07.17 | pedropt | the reason for that to happen is because the linux driver is unable to write in the epprom |
21:07.25 | pedropt | of the network card |
21:08.39 | pedropt | Because when you where in windows , the windows have writed in the eeprom , and then linux driver does not have that option and you simply can not get a network connection with it |
21:08.54 | pedropt | you have eth0 up , but is usefulll |
21:08.57 | peetaur | I run all my windows, including for gaming, on virtual machines... for a similar reason :) |
21:08.59 | pedropt | no matter what you do |
21:09.38 | pedropt | just to every knows , this particular network card is a : Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 06) |
21:09.44 | peetaur | I have heard of that network issue when you hibernate windows (suspend to disk) or sleep and then hit reset instead of wake... or is yours even with a clean shutdown? |
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21:10.06 | pedropt | and if you look over the net , then you will find hundreds os persons with this issue |
21:10.18 | pedropt | however , i found a way to make it work |
21:10.52 | pedropt | the secret is that you have to remove the current module for that card from the kernel and insert it again |
21:11.25 | pedropt | to do this i made another bash script that does rmmod r8168.ko |
21:11.38 | peetaur | did you also test ip l set down... ip l set up? |
21:11.42 | pedropt | and insmod r8168.ko right after |
21:11.54 | peetaur | I had a machine that needed that until some kernel update... also a RTL 8168/8169 |
21:12.21 | peetaur | (newer kernels made the open driver work, so the bad one in the linux-whatever-extra package wasn't needed) |
21:12.23 | pedropt | i have the compiled module on the same directory where i have the bash script that does this |
21:12.54 | pedropt | If anyone had this problem then the solutionis this one |
21:13.07 | pedropt | this will happen in dual boot machines |
21:13.16 | peetaur | s/open/in kernel tree/ and .... r8169 is the one |
21:13.25 | pedropt | if your machine is only linux then you will not have this issue |
21:13.38 | pedropt | same thing happens with r8169 |
21:13.50 | peetaur | so I suggest you give r8169 a try. It's what I have on this machine: https://bpaste.net/show/b8108ff5d259 |
21:14.02 | pedropt | i already try it before |
21:14.19 | pedropt | first time i had this issue i follow that path |
21:14.31 | peetaur | ok but I am at least suggesting forgetting custom compiled stuff and using the in tree r8169 driver |
21:14.43 | pedropt | and problem presisted everytime i went to windows and then return to linux |
21:14.46 | pedropt | but |
21:14.48 | peetaur | I haven't dual booted any of the machines that have this card... always KVM VMs with vfio-pci :) |
21:15.19 | pedropt | if you shutdown your computer and go directly to linux then you do not need to do this process |
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21:15.46 | peetaur | oh but I think the first time I had the issue...is when I removed win7 off my machine and put linux. Almost like dual boot :) (this was in 2009 or so) |
21:15.56 | pedropt | the reason is that network card epprom loose the windows values on the shutdown |
21:16.17 | peetaur | do you mean power off? but rebooting makes it fail? |
21:16.25 | pedropt | power off only |
21:16.31 | pedropt | reboot will not work |
21:16.41 | pedropt | because card does not lost energy |
21:18.30 | pedropt | so , for some reason when you insert the module again in the kernel , somehow those values are reseted and linux is able to work with the card |
21:19.03 | peetaur | yeah pretty weird...maybe on unload it calls some clearing commands that the loading doesn't |
21:20.25 | pedropt | yup |
21:20.56 | pedropt | and you have no idea how much time and headaches i had until i found that this way it works |
21:21.18 | pedropt | because using modinfo will say that everything is ok |
21:21.31 | pedropt | module is loaded so driver is running |
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21:21.38 | pedropt | but card never worked |
21:22.33 | pedropt | i happen to found this misterious thing by reeinstalling the kernel module using the autorun script from realtek on that driver |
21:23.15 | pedropt | then the card started to work and i realised that the operation made was only removing the old kernel (witch was the same one) , and reinstalling it again |
21:23.51 | pedropt | when i realise that i made the bash script doing that operation but without recompiling the driver again |
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21:36.15 | pedropt | just to finish becausei have to go |
21:36.36 | pedropt | this is the report of ethtool on my r8168 driver |
21:36.40 | pedropt | driver: r8168 version: 8.043.02-NAPI firmware-version: bus-info: 0000:03:00.0 supports-statistics: yes supports-test: no supports-eeprom-access: no supports-register-dump: yes supports-priv-flags: no |
21:37.19 | pedropt | the reason for this module to stuck on boot is this : supports-eeprom-access: no |
21:38.38 | pedropt | this is why module must be removed from kernel and inserte again to make the card work , somehow , this process of removing and inserting the module again does a reset on epprom configurations made by the windows driver |
21:39.47 | Centurion_Dan1 | why aren't you using the in-tree driver and install firmware-realtek? |
21:40.00 | pedropt | because i had the same issue |
21:40.34 | Centurion_Dan1 | oh,... and run update-initramfs -u -k all |
21:40.44 | dog_ | hey dan |
21:41.06 | dog_ | did U get those logs ? |
21:41.09 | Centurion_Dan1 | that way the module and firmware get copied into the initramfs |
21:41.13 | pedropt | i tried every solution that you see on the net for this case , and i only stop when i realised how it must be done to make it work |
21:41.59 | pedropt | well , bye all |
21:42.03 | Centurion_Dan1 | dog_: yeah just haven't looked yet.... been busy with paying work.. |
21:44.41 | dog_ | kk |
21:45.01 | dog_ | everything works great |
21:45.07 | Centurion_Dan1 | good. |
21:45.26 | dog_ | full disk encryption |
21:45.34 | dog_ | got my guake to work |
21:45.58 | Centurion_Dan1 | do you have to enter the password twice for the encryption? |
21:46.05 | dog_ | yeah |
21:46.26 | dog_ | but that's unavoidable |
21:47.02 | dog_ | gets tricky when U have non-US keyboard |
21:47.22 | Centurion_Dan1 | It should be avoidable... |
21:47.43 | dog_ | but least now I have my OS on an usb , systemd free , fully encripted |
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21:47.59 | Centurion_Dan1 | very cool |
21:48.10 | dog_ | guess so |
21:48.33 | dog_ | I get my geek badge ? |
21:50.06 | golinux | dog_: No badge just roasted beans! LOL!! |
21:50.42 | dog_ | LMAO |
21:51.15 | Centurion_Dan1 | sure, but if you want the gold plated badge you need to sort it to require only one password entry and help me to make it the standard encrypted installation ;-) |
21:51.51 | dog_ | that'll take some time |
21:52.00 | dog_ | but challenge accepted |
21:52.26 | fsmithred | is that encryption with or without lvm that you have to enter pw twice? |
21:52.38 | dog_ | with lvm |
21:52.46 | fsmithred | wtf? |
21:52.52 | dog_ | fsmithred: I know you hate lvm |
21:52.56 | fsmithred | lol |
21:53.22 | fsmithred | I haven't done lvm install with devuan yet |
21:53.35 | dog_ | from what little I understand , to have only one password prompt , you'd have to have password cached somewhere |
21:53.56 | dog_ | well , I can report LVM install works greT |
21:54.03 | dog_ | *great |
21:54.03 | fsmithred | oh wait, are you encrypting /boot? |
21:54.08 | dog_ | yes |
21:54.13 | Centurion_Dan1 | It's understandable... 1 password to decrypt the /boot, and another to decrypt the lvm vg |
21:54.16 | fsmithred | ok, then I understand |
21:54.22 | dog_ | my /boot is encrypted |
21:54.33 | fsmithred | yeah, I remember that discussion |
21:54.49 | dog_ | anyways , I made it work |
21:55.03 | dog_ | and off he goes :D |
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21:55.22 | fsmithred | I got booted. Am I really here? |
21:55.29 | Centurion_Dan1 | but you should be able to have grub decrypt both at the same time |
21:55.36 | dog_ | you think you could incorporate it in installer , dan ? |
21:56.23 | dog_ | not so sure dan . please accept that my knowledge is fairly limited |
21:56.42 | Centurion_Dan1 | One way might be to put the boot into a lv inside the vg and then you decrypt the vg once for all. |
21:57.20 | dog_ | I have boot inside lv |
21:57.32 | dog_ | inside a vg |
21:57.44 | dog_ | so that's a solid no |
21:58.06 | pydsigner | fsmithred: yes |
21:58.28 | fsmithred | thanks |
21:59.32 | dog_ | fsmithred: I've used your live build |
21:59.41 | dog_ | it's really solid |
21:59.47 | fsmithred | thanks |
21:59.49 | dog_ | but install failed me |
21:59.59 | fsmithred | because no lvm? |
22:00.03 | dog_ | no |
22:00.16 | fsmithred | what happened? |
22:00.21 | dog_ | I don't rember the right caouse |
22:00.25 | dog_ | cause |
22:00.40 | dog_ | I think grub install failed |
22:01.12 | fsmithred | install to mbr or partition? |
22:01.13 | dog_ | I coould try to recreate it |
22:01.23 | dog_ | dunno |
22:01.30 | fsmithred | run it with the -d option to get a more verbose log |
22:01.31 | dog_ | it just gave me error |
22:01.44 | dog_ | but it was a week ago |
22:01.52 | fsmithred | ancient history |
22:02.05 | fsmithred | this wasn't on uefi hardware, was it? |
22:02.12 | dog_ | nope |
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22:02.15 | fsmithred | ok |
22:02.19 | dog_ | inside a plain VM |
22:02.22 | Centurion_Dan1 | actually the way to do it is encrypt the pv using dm-crypt |
22:03.16 | dog_ | I dunno |
22:03.39 | dog_ | I gave you the link from where I learned the procedure |
22:04.02 | dog_ | you think it can be made better ? |
22:05.07 | Centurion_Dan1 | Yeah, it requires on hacking on the base installer scripts and making sure that I can coax grub into decrypting it first. |
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22:06.01 | dog_ | well , I dunno if it's necessary |
22:06.19 | dog_ | very little people will need that |
22:10.25 | Centurion_Dan | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#Boot_loader looks interesting |
22:11.40 | dog_ | so you might pull it off ? |
22:12.04 | dog_ | you do that , I'll do that splash screen for you |
22:12.20 | dog_ | XD |
22:17.37 | Centurion_Dan1 | well, I already have 2 more reasons to hack on grub2 for Devuan, so I'm just going to have do the work to support encrypted boot out of the box now ;-D |
22:28.26 | dog_ | o...k |
22:28.45 | dog_ | isn't there more pressing jobs to do ? |
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22:45.45 | Centurion_Dan | yup... It will be post jessie final most likely. |
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23:41.25 | dog_ | if i stick to the beta I have installed , I'll be fine ? |
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