IRC log for #devuan on 20170121

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00:55.27minnesotagsDevice trees. What is the Devuan take?
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01:10.48Tahr-user4mmm trees
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03:48.51manchotis there a way to install devuan testing?
03:49.26doomedhi
03:49.38manchothi there.
03:49.47doomeddevuan is in testing still isn't it?
03:49.50doomedbeta2
03:50.07manchotI want to install a package which is available in debian 'testing'.
03:50.25doomedah yes makes sense
03:50.27Chankuso you want ascii
03:50.35ChankuI think
03:50.38manchotok. how to install ascii
03:50.54Chankuyeah
03:50.56manchotchanging the sources.list will work?
03:50.59Chankuhttps://devuan.org/os/releases/
03:51.07Chankusame way you would with debian testing
03:53.11golinuxdoomed: I would install devuan then change sources and upgrade to ascii.
03:53.29manchotOK. let me try. thanks guys.
03:53.46golinuxAre you sure the package isn't in backports?
03:54.37golinuxmanchot: ^^^
03:55.30manchotgolinux, can devuan use backports?
03:57.11golinuxOf course!
03:58.05golinuxJust add it to your sources.  But be careful.  I suggest commenting it out after you get what you want.
03:58.40golinuxOf course, use the backports in the devuan repos.
03:59.17golinuxNot a good idea to use debian repos in your sources.
03:59.18manchotOK. I see.
03:59.43golinuxGood luck!
04:00.05manchotdoes duvuan have all jessie packages or the packages are created completely for devuan?
04:01.21golinuxMostly it's debian packages.  Some have been modified and there are some written for devuan.
04:02.25manchotOK. I am installing it.
04:02.46manchotI am a long time debian only user and decided to switch for obvious reasons.
04:03.08golinuxHmmm . . . I wonder what that could be!  LOL!
04:03.27golinuxI'll bbl
04:04.33manchotcan I humbly propose that when apt install packages, --no-install-suggests and --no-install-recommends should be set as default.
04:04.44manchotthis will make a much cleaner system.
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07:17.35detha+1 for that suggestion
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08:56.05manchothi guys, there is popular linux sources mirror in China, the USTC (the official debian mirror)
08:56.34manchotI submitted a issue request so that I can host devuan sourcess.
08:57.26manchotIt needs votes from github. if you want USTC server to host devuan sources, please upvote the issue at github https://github.com/ustclug/mirrorrequest/issues/93
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10:39.43edbarxI am going to change simple-netaid-backend's code so that error reporting does not interfere with code readability. Errors will be reported as follows:ERROR: In file: "errors.c", function: "func", local function error: 10
10:39.44edbarxError description: Operation not permitted
10:44.34edbarxLocal error will be a string of the form: FN0001 etc.
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11:17.36HelleI am getting timeouts on auto.mirror.devuan.org for IPv6
11:19.14Helleand now it's fine and now not, oh joy, I guess it's a flapping route somewhere
11:19.31Helleprobably my ISPs fault, not whoever has 2001:41d0:8:2c55::a2
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11:51.32cyphixHello. I would like to install cinnamon as my DE, but it failed from the installer. Could you provide me the procedure to install cinnamon properly? Running apt-get install cinnamon fails, telling me that there are some unsatisfied dependencies that won't be installed (gnome-settings-daemon and network-manager-gnome).
11:54.29muepI'd expect cinnamon to largely have the same dependencies as gnome
12:22.32cyphixmuep: Ok, but what does it refuse to install them? Does it create a conflict somewhere?
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12:59.34muepcyphix: I do not know the details, but my impression is that e.g. network-manager often needs polkit which in turn at least sometimes, possibly always, needs systemd-logind
13:04.29cyphixAh ok. So it seems to be a complex enterprise to install Cinnamon with devuan, right?
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13:06.02fsmithredrunning 'aptitude -s install cinnamon' shows that it wants libsystemd0 (excluded on my system) and libpam-systemd (which has no candidate)
13:06.34fsmithredthere is a no-systemd version of network manager available in jessie-proposed
13:07.06muepif gnome is difficult, cinnamon is likely the same since they share most of the underlying stuff
13:08.19muepmaybe some subset could be installed if you e.g. use some other thing than the stock UI for managing networks
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13:16.03fsmithredlooks like cinnamon-common will install, but cinnamon-core will not. The latter requires libpam-systemd which requires systemd.
13:17.12AntoFoxfsmithred: you can find cinnamon on my git but have some problem of stability
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13:21.34fsmithredcyphix, if you are adventurous, see what AntoFox just said and look at https://git.devuan.org/users/nioanto/projects
13:22.27fsmithredI have to go. bbl
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13:45.39WeeezyAntoFox, how are you able to get cinnamon to work?
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13:58.47AntoFox1Weeezy: at the moment I'm focused on the mate-desktop 1.14 for jessie
13:59.02AntoFox1and 1.16 for ascii
13:59.58AntoFox1today will update the hezeh.org repository
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14:05.08WeeezyAntoFox1, was just following along the conversation about cinnamon, I have mate on my devuan, prefer cinnamon but was unable to install. thought you might have something workable
14:08.02AntoFox1ok, today after that I update every my  repo return to work on cinnamon, but I promise nothing :)
14:08.34muepAntoFox1: I thought the question was just about what issues you have resolved and how
14:08.47WeeezyNo no, don't feel pressured. :) I just have an interest in cinnamon if it becomes available
14:12.08AntoFox1muep: systemd dependencies and upower, the only problem I have with the package cinnamon-session
14:12.20AntoFox1Weeezy: me too wheezy
14:12.57AntoFox1(gnome-shell have the same problem, I work also on this)
14:17.27WeeezyI don't know much about what's involved in making these things work but thank you for your efforts AntoFox
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15:32.29XenguyI'm not that familiar with Cinnamon, but my impression was that it was a GNOME2 knock-off, like MATE...
15:32.42XenguyIn any case MATE is working well here for me.
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16:39.24WeeezyI had my heart set on cinnamon after using it in debian but I'm using xfce and mate when I use devuan now.
16:42.21buZzi'd like cinnamon more if it didnt require opengl acceleration
16:49.32Weeezyare there issues with opengl? I'm not that familiar with it.
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19:31.37AntoFoxCinnamon 3.0.x (only amd64) is in jessie-backports on hezeh.org
19:31.52AntoFoxsee you later
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20:32.50clemens3Went from raspbian jessie to debian jessie, removed systemd and dbus and unpinned them, also seemed to have lossed the xserver, now trying to install xserver-xorg, complaining, then xserver-xorg-core, says it depends on libsystemd0 and libdbus-1-3...
20:33.23clemens3so what should I install to get somw local window manager? for time being using tightvncserver from other machine
20:34.40clemens3"to debian jessie" should say "devuan jessie" of course :)
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20:51.17underd0gsup guys
20:51.23underd0ganybody in here ?
20:51.35underd0gI have a little question about dns
20:51.49muepfeel free to just ask
20:53.18underd0gon debian I used to edit resolv.conf to add opennic dns
20:53.32underd0gbut seems here that devuan rewrites it
20:53.41underd0gwhere do I add DNS
20:54.20muepwhat are you using to set up the other network parameters?
20:55.15underd0gnm , I just connected to my wireless with wicd
20:55.30underd0gthink I can add dns servers there?
20:56.27mueptypically a wifi connection would use dhcp and the dhcp client would by default write the dns parameters to /etc/resolv.conf
20:56.52muepif wicd has some form to which you can place your preferred dns server, it would likely work
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21:05.12underd0glet's see
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21:10.32underd0gnope
21:10.48underd0gchanging to static dns kills my connectivity
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21:36.00Weeeezycan someone assist with details how to edit sources.list to access this? ---->>>  Cinnamon 3.0.x (only amd64) is in jessie-backports on hezeh.org
21:55.53KatolaZWeeeezy: if it is in jessie-backports you don't need to do much
21:56.10KatolaZjust add:
21:56.12KatolaZdeb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports main
21:56.25KatolaZin /etc/apt/sources.list
21:56.28KatolaZand then apt-get update
21:58.25Weeeezyperfect! that's what I needed!
21:58.40KatolaZnp :)
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22:06.51golinuxKato
22:07.23golinuxKatolaZ: Note: Cinnamon 3.0.x (only amd64) is in jessie-backports on hezeh.org
22:07.51golinuxThat's antofox's repo
22:08.14golinuxNot jessie-backports
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22:12.52Weeeezyaha, that makes sense now golinux
22:13.13WeeeezyI don't have the exact details for hezeh.org
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22:14.40golinuxThere's probably a deb available at the site
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22:14.57Weeeezyoh, right. I will take a look.
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22:15.25AntoFoxWheeezy: deb http://www.hezeh.org/packages jessie-backports main
22:16.01Weeeezygreat! thanks. I'm going to add it right now.
22:16.59golinuxTry http://hezeh.org/how-to-install-mate-desktop-on-devuan/
22:17.03AntoFoxcinnamon is veeeeery unstable
22:17.55golinuxSources list info there
22:18.25WeeeezyI can wait I guess until it's a little more stable.
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22:31.16underd0gI just migrated everything to my devuan
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22:33.27underd0geverything works great
22:35.38Weeezynice
22:36.39underd0gcopied over my thunderbird , hexchat
22:37.08underd0gI had devuan in a virtual machine , with fully encrypted disk
22:37.34underd0gmanaged to copy it over to a usb stick , so I can carry it in my pocket
22:37.48underd0gi feel so geek now :D
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22:38.12Weeezyawesome.
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23:04.59clemens3is it possible to run an xserver without (lib)dbus?
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23:30.02KatolaZooops
23:30.09KatolaZgolinux: thanks for letting me know
23:30.14KatolaZI didn't have noticed!
23:30.15KatolaZ:)
23:30.36KatolaZI thought Weeeezy was asking about Devuan backports
23:31.24golinuxThe devil is in the details. ;)
23:32.03golinuxI think he's got is straightened out now.
23:32.22devilnot in any details, me
23:32.38golinuxHshshs!
23:32.46golinuxOops Hahahaha
23:33.10golinuxneeds a break afk
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