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| 00:55.27 | minnesotags | Device trees. What is the Devuan take? |
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| 01:10.48 | Tahr-user4 | mmm trees |
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| 03:48.51 | manchot | is there a way to install devuan testing? |
| 03:49.26 | doomed | hi |
| 03:49.38 | manchot | hi there. |
| 03:49.47 | doomed | devuan is in testing still isn't it? |
| 03:49.50 | doomed | beta2 |
| 03:50.07 | manchot | I want to install a package which is available in debian 'testing'. |
| 03:50.25 | doomed | ah yes makes sense |
| 03:50.27 | Chanku | so you want ascii |
| 03:50.35 | Chanku | I think |
| 03:50.38 | manchot | ok. how to install ascii |
| 03:50.54 | Chanku | yeah |
| 03:50.56 | manchot | changing the sources.list will work? |
| 03:50.59 | Chanku | https://devuan.org/os/releases/ |
| 03:51.07 | Chanku | same way you would with debian testing |
| 03:53.11 | golinux | doomed: I would install devuan then change sources and upgrade to ascii. |
| 03:53.29 | manchot | OK. let me try. thanks guys. |
| 03:53.46 | golinux | Are you sure the package isn't in backports? |
| 03:54.37 | golinux | manchot: ^^^ |
| 03:55.30 | manchot | golinux, can devuan use backports? |
| 03:57.11 | golinux | Of course! |
| 03:58.05 | golinux | Just add it to your sources. But be careful. I suggest commenting it out after you get what you want. |
| 03:58.40 | golinux | Of course, use the backports in the devuan repos. |
| 03:59.17 | golinux | Not a good idea to use debian repos in your sources. |
| 03:59.18 | manchot | OK. I see. |
| 03:59.43 | golinux | Good luck! |
| 04:00.05 | manchot | does duvuan have all jessie packages or the packages are created completely for devuan? |
| 04:01.21 | golinux | Mostly it's debian packages. Some have been modified and there are some written for devuan. |
| 04:02.25 | manchot | OK. I am installing it. |
| 04:02.46 | manchot | I am a long time debian only user and decided to switch for obvious reasons. |
| 04:03.08 | golinux | Hmmm . . . I wonder what that could be! LOL! |
| 04:03.27 | golinux | I'll bbl |
| 04:04.33 | manchot | can I humbly propose that when apt install packages, --no-install-suggests and --no-install-recommends should be set as default. |
| 04:04.44 | manchot | this will make a much cleaner system. |
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| 07:17.35 | detha | +1 for that suggestion |
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| 08:56.05 | manchot | hi guys, there is popular linux sources mirror in China, the USTC (the official debian mirror) |
| 08:56.34 | manchot | I submitted a issue request so that I can host devuan sourcess. |
| 08:57.26 | manchot | It needs votes from github. if you want USTC server to host devuan sources, please upvote the issue at github https://github.com/ustclug/mirrorrequest/issues/93 |
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| 10:39.43 | edbarx | I am going to change simple-netaid-backend's code so that error reporting does not interfere with code readability. Errors will be reported as follows:ERROR: In file: "errors.c", function: "func", local function error: 10 |
| 10:39.44 | edbarx | Error description: Operation not permitted |
| 10:44.34 | edbarx | Local error will be a string of the form: FN0001 etc. |
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| 11:17.36 | Helle | I am getting timeouts on auto.mirror.devuan.org for IPv6 |
| 11:19.14 | Helle | and now it's fine and now not, oh joy, I guess it's a flapping route somewhere |
| 11:19.31 | Helle | probably my ISPs fault, not whoever has 2001:41d0:8:2c55::a2 |
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| 11:51.32 | cyphix | Hello. I would like to install cinnamon as my DE, but it failed from the installer. Could you provide me the procedure to install cinnamon properly? Running apt-get install cinnamon fails, telling me that there are some unsatisfied dependencies that won't be installed (gnome-settings-daemon and network-manager-gnome). |
| 11:54.29 | muep | I'd expect cinnamon to largely have the same dependencies as gnome |
| 12:22.32 | cyphix | muep: Ok, but what does it refuse to install them? Does it create a conflict somewhere? |
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| 12:59.34 | muep | cyphix: I do not know the details, but my impression is that e.g. network-manager often needs polkit which in turn at least sometimes, possibly always, needs systemd-logind |
| 13:04.29 | cyphix | Ah ok. So it seems to be a complex enterprise to install Cinnamon with devuan, right? |
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| 13:06.02 | fsmithred | running 'aptitude -s install cinnamon' shows that it wants libsystemd0 (excluded on my system) and libpam-systemd (which has no candidate) |
| 13:06.34 | fsmithred | there is a no-systemd version of network manager available in jessie-proposed |
| 13:07.06 | muep | if gnome is difficult, cinnamon is likely the same since they share most of the underlying stuff |
| 13:08.19 | muep | maybe some subset could be installed if you e.g. use some other thing than the stock UI for managing networks |
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| 13:16.03 | fsmithred | looks like cinnamon-common will install, but cinnamon-core will not. The latter requires libpam-systemd which requires systemd. |
| 13:17.12 | AntoFox | fsmithred: you can find cinnamon on my git but have some problem of stability |
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| 13:21.34 | fsmithred | cyphix, if you are adventurous, see what AntoFox just said and look at https://git.devuan.org/users/nioanto/projects |
| 13:22.27 | fsmithred | I have to go. bbl |
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| 13:45.39 | Weeezy | AntoFox, how are you able to get cinnamon to work? |
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| 13:58.47 | AntoFox1 | Weeezy: at the moment I'm focused on the mate-desktop 1.14 for jessie |
| 13:59.02 | AntoFox1 | and 1.16 for ascii |
| 13:59.58 | AntoFox1 | today will update the hezeh.org repository |
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| 14:05.08 | Weeezy | AntoFox1, was just following along the conversation about cinnamon, I have mate on my devuan, prefer cinnamon but was unable to install. thought you might have something workable |
| 14:08.02 | AntoFox1 | ok, today after that I update every my repo return to work on cinnamon, but I promise nothing :) |
| 14:08.34 | muep | AntoFox1: I thought the question was just about what issues you have resolved and how |
| 14:08.47 | Weeezy | No no, don't feel pressured. :) I just have an interest in cinnamon if it becomes available |
| 14:12.08 | AntoFox1 | muep: systemd dependencies and upower, the only problem I have with the package cinnamon-session |
| 14:12.20 | AntoFox1 | Weeezy: me too wheezy |
| 14:12.57 | AntoFox1 | (gnome-shell have the same problem, I work also on this) |
| 14:17.27 | Weeezy | I don't know much about what's involved in making these things work but thank you for your efforts AntoFox |
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| 15:32.29 | Xenguy | I'm not that familiar with Cinnamon, but my impression was that it was a GNOME2 knock-off, like MATE... |
| 15:32.42 | Xenguy | In any case MATE is working well here for me. |
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| 16:39.24 | Weeezy | I had my heart set on cinnamon after using it in debian but I'm using xfce and mate when I use devuan now. |
| 16:42.21 | buZz | i'd like cinnamon more if it didnt require opengl acceleration |
| 16:49.32 | Weeezy | are there issues with opengl? I'm not that familiar with it. |
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| 19:31.37 | AntoFox | Cinnamon 3.0.x (only amd64) is in jessie-backports on hezeh.org |
| 19:31.52 | AntoFox | see you later |
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| 20:32.50 | clemens3 | Went from raspbian jessie to debian jessie, removed systemd and dbus and unpinned them, also seemed to have lossed the xserver, now trying to install xserver-xorg, complaining, then xserver-xorg-core, says it depends on libsystemd0 and libdbus-1-3... |
| 20:33.23 | clemens3 | so what should I install to get somw local window manager? for time being using tightvncserver from other machine |
| 20:34.40 | clemens3 | "to debian jessie" should say "devuan jessie" of course :) |
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| 20:51.17 | underd0g | sup guys |
| 20:51.23 | underd0g | anybody in here ? |
| 20:51.35 | underd0g | I have a little question about dns |
| 20:51.49 | muep | feel free to just ask |
| 20:53.18 | underd0g | on debian I used to edit resolv.conf to add opennic dns |
| 20:53.32 | underd0g | but seems here that devuan rewrites it |
| 20:53.41 | underd0g | where do I add DNS |
| 20:54.20 | muep | what are you using to set up the other network parameters? |
| 20:55.15 | underd0g | nm , I just connected to my wireless with wicd |
| 20:55.30 | underd0g | think I can add dns servers there? |
| 20:56.27 | muep | typically a wifi connection would use dhcp and the dhcp client would by default write the dns parameters to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:56.52 | muep | if wicd has some form to which you can place your preferred dns server, it would likely work |
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| 21:05.12 | underd0g | let's see |
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| 21:10.32 | underd0g | nope |
| 21:10.48 | underd0g | changing to static dns kills my connectivity |
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| 21:36.00 | Weeeezy | can someone assist with details how to edit sources.list to access this? ---->>> Cinnamon 3.0.x (only amd64) is in jessie-backports on hezeh.org |
| 21:55.53 | KatolaZ | Weeeezy: if it is in jessie-backports you don't need to do much |
| 21:56.10 | KatolaZ | just add: |
| 21:56.12 | KatolaZ | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports main |
| 21:56.25 | KatolaZ | in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:56.28 | KatolaZ | and then apt-get update |
| 21:58.25 | Weeeezy | perfect! that's what I needed! |
| 21:58.40 | KatolaZ | np :) |
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| 22:06.51 | golinux | Kato |
| 22:07.23 | golinux | KatolaZ: Note: Cinnamon 3.0.x (only amd64) is in jessie-backports on hezeh.org |
| 22:07.51 | golinux | That's antofox's repo |
| 22:08.14 | golinux | Not jessie-backports |
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| 22:12.52 | Weeeezy | aha, that makes sense now golinux |
| 22:13.13 | Weeeezy | I don't have the exact details for hezeh.org |
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| 22:14.40 | golinux | There's probably a deb available at the site |
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| 22:14.57 | Weeeezy | oh, right. I will take a look. |
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| 22:15.25 | AntoFox | Wheeezy: deb http://www.hezeh.org/packages jessie-backports main |
| 22:16.01 | Weeeezy | great! thanks. I'm going to add it right now. |
| 22:16.59 | golinux | Try http://hezeh.org/how-to-install-mate-desktop-on-devuan/ |
| 22:17.03 | AntoFox | cinnamon is veeeeery unstable |
| 22:17.55 | golinux | Sources list info there |
| 22:18.25 | Weeeezy | I can wait I guess until it's a little more stable. |
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| 22:31.16 | underd0g | I just migrated everything to my devuan |
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| 22:33.27 | underd0g | everything works great |
| 22:35.38 | Weeezy | nice |
| 22:36.39 | underd0g | copied over my thunderbird , hexchat |
| 22:37.08 | underd0g | I had devuan in a virtual machine , with fully encrypted disk |
| 22:37.34 | underd0g | managed to copy it over to a usb stick , so I can carry it in my pocket |
| 22:37.48 | underd0g | i feel so geek now :D |
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| 22:38.12 | Weeezy | awesome. |
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| 23:04.59 | clemens3 | is it possible to run an xserver without (lib)dbus? |
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| 23:30.02 | KatolaZ | ooops |
| 23:30.09 | KatolaZ | golinux: thanks for letting me know |
| 23:30.14 | KatolaZ | I didn't have noticed! |
| 23:30.15 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 23:30.36 | KatolaZ | I thought Weeeezy was asking about Devuan backports |
| 23:31.24 | golinux | The devil is in the details. ;) |
| 23:32.03 | golinux | I think he's got is straightened out now. |
| 23:32.22 | devil | not in any details, me |
| 23:32.38 | golinux | Hshshs! |
| 23:32.46 | golinux | Oops Hahahaha |
| 23:33.10 | golinux | needs a break afk |
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