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| 00:59.35 | underd0g | anybody home ? |
| 01:00.19 | demure | nope |
| 01:00.40 | underd0g | lol |
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| 01:52.53 | golinux | underd0g: ? |
| 01:56.15 | underd0g | hey |
| 01:56.18 | underd0g | sup |
| 01:58.59 | pydsigner | Ohai demure |
| 01:59.01 | pydsigner | Lol |
| 02:00.25 | Weeezy | I went on the debian channel by mistake last night and started asking questions about devuan |
| 02:00.32 | Weeezy | they were all really confused. |
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| 02:00.50 | underd0g | leel |
| 02:00.52 | Weeezy | I think they were in denial. hahah |
| 02:03.41 | underd0g | I tried this on devuan today and failed http://dustymabe.com/2015/07/06/encrypting-more-boot-joins-the-party/ |
| 02:03.44 | underd0g | :( |
| 02:05.16 | Weeezy | this is for web applications? |
| 02:06.16 | underd0g | what ? no , it's for full disk encryption |
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| 02:08.42 | Weeezy | but I mean for what applications is this needed? It seems like security for a large corporate network or something. |
| 02:09.43 | underd0g | well I like my data safe |
| 02:10.43 | Weeezy | I totally understand. |
| 02:10.54 | Weeezy | seems like nothing is secure anymore. |
| 02:11.17 | Weeezy | Maybe I should do this? |
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| 02:13.04 | underd0g | well , it fails on devuan |
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| 02:14.37 | underd0g | I think grub package is too old |
| 02:21.22 | Weeezy | I have 4.8 kernel on my debian. |
| 02:21.38 | Weeezy | I was thinking of putting that on devuan. Not sure if it will work. |
| 02:21.42 | Weeezy | anyone have this set up? |
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| 02:59.21 | malinas | hi, I got a serious problem with devuan's installation by PXE |
| 03:00.04 | malinas | it used to work up to one month ago, but now it fails during the partitioning of the hard drive |
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| 03:06.00 | malinas | I suspect that the problem comes from the fact that the installer is from 25 april 2016, and some packages (partman?) must have been updated since and break backwards compatibility (since it is downloaded from the network) |
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| 04:58.59 | malinas | Centurion_Dan1 it looks like you're in charge of these packages, notably debian-installer |
| 05:01.21 | malinas | I'm trying to compile the build_netboot image by using the latest version of the debian-installer on gitlab |
| 05:02.42 | malinas | but it cannot find the udebs, even though the generated sources.list.udeb seems correct (as far as I can tell, I'm no specialist) |
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| 06:05.22 | Centurion_Dan1 | malinas: yes indeed, I am the maintainer of these packages. How are you trying to compile them (and why)? |
| 06:07.42 | Centurion_Dan1 | The latest built debian-installer images are always located at: https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/ or if your wanting to see the bleeding edge I'm working on: |
| 06:07.52 | Centurion_Dan1 | https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie-proposed/main/installer-amd64/current/ |
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| 06:09.13 | Centurion_Dan1 | Feel free to fork them though and if you make improvements then I'd welcome merge-requests ;-) |
| 06:11.09 | Centurion_Dan1 | If you are trying to build using pbuilder, you need to allow network access from the chroot - see the pbuilderrc manpage USE_NETWORK as the build process uses apt within the chroot to download all the udebs required. |
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| 07:08.35 | malinas | Centurion_Dan1: I was trying to use a version downloaded directly from gitlab, and it was failing, now that I'm using https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/debian-installer/debian-installer_20170111+devuan1Beta3u1.tar.gz I managed to compile my target |
| 07:09.49 | malinas | I'm not trying to do anything fancy, just to fix my PXE/TFTP setup, because the debian-installer that I was using was no longer compatible with some changes apparently introduced recently in debian |
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| 07:24.03 | Centurion_Dan1 | malinas: ok.. why compile it instead of using the pre-built images I pointed you too? If you want to insert configs for auto-install root ssh-keys etc, then that can be done with preseeding without needing to recompile. |
| 07:26.12 | rrq | there are three packages, each with a debian folder... is that bad? |
| 07:26.22 | Centurion_Dan1 | everything you need should be in https://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie-proposed/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
| 07:27.16 | Centurion_Dan1 | malinas: ^^ |
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| 07:39.15 | malinas | Centurion_Dan1: I actually found that tar.gz file before you replied, that's why I used it instead |
| 07:40.52 | malinas | I'll try to write a small documentation about that, because you can be sure than in 6 months time, when I need it again, I'll have forgotten |
| 07:41.58 | malinas | also, I find it very strange that the installer does not download a fixed version of the system packages needed for install time |
| 07:43.25 | malinas | one day, I can deploy my machines, the next day, it's broken... I wonder why it was designed this way |
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| 08:15.58 | Centurion_Dan | malinas: It's only the mini-installer. The same can be done with the cd and dvd iso's. Or you can use something like apt-mirror to create a local snapshot of the repository and serve that up for enhancing your pxe install method and along with pre-seeding to set your local mirror. |
| 08:16.51 | Centurion_Dan | malinas: what is your particular use-case? |
| 08:35.23 | malinas | Centurion_Dan: I have a lot of machines to play^Wwork with, so I'm trying to use PXE to automatically install Devuan on them |
| 08:36.55 | malinas | I use a preseed to automate the installation and install a public SSH key |
| 08:37.07 | malinas | then ansible is supposed to do the rest |
| 08:38.12 | malinas | I already have a squid proxy on the network to cache all packages, by the way |
| 08:43.54 | malinas | so let's assume I create a local snapshot of the repository, I would like the installer to first use it for "compatible" packages, during the first paet of the installation (for instnce, partman) |
| 08:44.21 | malinas | then it would switch to another set of repositories for the normal installation, providing up-to-date packages |
| 08:46.27 | Centurion_Dan1 | malinas: you should be able to define a post install script to re-write the /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the real mirrors. |
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| 08:47.37 | malinas | yes, I guess it has to happen either at the bottom of the pressed.cfg, or early in my ansible scripts |
| 08:47.49 | malinas | *preseed.cfg |
| 08:48.33 | malinas | that's a reasonnable solution, as I install very minimal systems |
| 08:52.32 | Centurion_Dan1 | Actually I'd be keen to see your preseed script because I'd love to do automated-installations to test our installer images and particularly several different targets like the XFCE desktop, minimal and maybe a webserver target as well. |
| 08:54.15 | Centurion_Dan1 | This would be great once we move to more frequent builds of d-i and installer images to ensure they install cleanly and remain free of systemd dependencies. |
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| 09:05.33 | malinas | Centurion_Dan1: its on http://paste.ubuntu.com/23815424/ |
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| 09:29.42 | Se7en | There is an error with my apt-get full-upgrade. I am downloading two seprate Linux kernels, the Linux-Libre from a custom sources.list.d list file, and the one bundled with the system in your repo. |
| 09:30.00 | Se7en | I want to take priority in the .list file's linux-libre kernel |
| 09:30.36 | Se7en | Also... |
| 09:30.43 | Se7en | I think systemd just installed itself |
| 09:30.49 | Se7en | libsystemd0:amd64 |
| 09:30.55 | Se7en | Has just installed itself |
| 09:31.04 | Se7en | As well as udev |
| 09:32.09 | Se7en | Is there anyone here to respond to this? |
| 09:34.20 | FlibberTGibbet | libsystemd0 isn't the whole init afaik |
| 09:34.41 | Se7en | Good |
| 09:34.45 | Se7en | But why is it being installed? |
| 09:35.09 | debdog | aptitude why libsystemd0 |
| 09:35.55 | Se7en | It is a dependency of gnome-disk-utility |
| 09:35.57 | Se7en | And that is all |
| 09:36.08 | Se7en | THis utility must have come with the system, I did not install it |
| 09:37.47 | Se7en | Attempting to remove the package also wants to remove parted, udisks2 (I can't remember what that is but I think it is important), and a few other packages |
| 09:38.16 | Se7en | Oh, n/m |
| 09:38.35 | Se7en | I forgot that I followed the instructions to autoremove recomemded packages I had not whitelisted |
| 09:38.39 | Se7en | That's what it is |
| 09:38.52 | Se7en | But is udisks2 important, FlibberTGibbet debdog |
| 09:39.18 | FlibberTGibbet | i don't think it will suddenly add a crap init system and all the other systemd bloatware by itself -- think it's largly a placeholder. but others here are better qualified to confirm or deny that |
| 09:39.28 | FlibberTGibbet | not a clue about udisks2, sorry |
| 09:40.29 | debdog | define important. here it's installed because k3b relies on it. but that seems to be the only reasen here |
| 09:41.10 | Se7en | I thought it was a utility used to mount cryptodisks |
| 09:42.38 | debdog | udisks2 - D-Bus service to access and manipulate storage devices |
| 09:42.40 | debdog | Description: D-Bus service to access and manipulate storage devices |
| 09:42.40 | debdog | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:42.40 | debdog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:22.30 | edbarx | simple-netaid-gui coding ready. Using the Adwaita icon theme although I plan to include my own icons for simple netaid. Now the GUI supports both OPEN and WPA2 security for wifis. Back to C coding. Enough from me for now. Thanks for your patience. |
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| 10:41.05 | armin | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2XcoaeXEAABYHz.jpg:large |
| 10:41.26 | AntoFox | ooooh |
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| 11:41.08 | Centurion_Dan1 | armin: what is it... |
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| 11:44.07 | TorC | Centurion_Dan1: Looks rather like (GNU/)Linux booting on a display at some public place. I can't read the text to see if there are any hints as to what distro. |
| 11:47.03 | Centurion_Dan1 | TorC: that's obvious... |
| 11:47.37 | rrq | looks like an "upstart" in the middle of the top block |
| 11:48.14 | Centurion_Dan1 | What intrigues me is it doesn't strike me as a devuan boot screen... |
| 11:50.57 | rrq | in use: came about in the beginning when I wanted to avoid changing the Makefile too much... I realise now it's not actually used here, which is why you got /usr/local |
| 11:51.07 | rrq | ah wrong window |
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| 11:53.25 | TorC | I just tried to upscale and unsharp the image to figure out the text. Doesn't seem to be enough there for the tools I'm familiar with to do the job. |
| 12:06.21 | TorC | Well, that fail seems to be the line after the one I think might be upstart - and there's nothing in the right column on the upstart line AFAICT. |
| 12:30.45 | armin | Centurion_Dan1: it's a huge display in our main train station, showing a hanging reboot on a systemd machine. |
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| 12:57.54 | aytidaureh | help |
| 13:06.05 | enyc | aytidaureh well that was a helpful question ;p |
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| 13:33.54 | Weeazy | did you have a question aytidaureh ? |
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| 14:51.16 | Weeazy | panicbnc |
| 14:51.22 | Weeazy | oh wait. sorry. |
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| 15:44.50 | Hestben | Hmm, when underd0g returns, I should try to remember to say that I tried http://dustymabe.com/2015/07/06/encrypting-more-boot-joins-the-party/ on my virtual machine, and it works for me |
| 15:45.35 | Hestben | devuan jessie beta2 |
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| 15:47.24 | mildwood | hello everyone, is somebody willing to help me to sort out how to make a working f2fs root partition on a devuan arm64 rpi3 build? |
| 15:51.10 | mildwood | anyone? |
| 15:51.37 | Hestben | mildwood: I'm on here, but I don't know anything about f2fs |
| 15:52.01 | Hestben | I have a raspberrypi, but I'm running raspbian on that so far |
| 15:52.13 | mildwood | well it is a filesystem for flash media |
| 15:53.17 | Hestben | mildwood: OK, I don't think I will be helpful =/ |
| 15:53.37 | Hestben | And this channel isn't that full of people, so you may have to wait for a bit. |
| 15:53.39 | mildwood | well thanks anyway :) |
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| 15:55.15 | mildwood | is somebody willing to help me to sort out how to make a working f2fs root partition on a devuan arm64 rpi3 build? the raspbian method doesn't work... |
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| 16:00.26 | mildwood | is somebody willing to help me to sort out how to make a working f2fs root partition on a devuan arm64 rpi3 build? the raspbian method doesn't work... |
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| 16:01.44 | Hestben | mildwood: I don't think people will join that fast. Some people read the log, and might get back to you later. Or try the forum (maybe even less people are on there)... |
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| 16:02.53 | mildwood | yeah thanks, sorry i don't want to flood the chat, wait a 30 mins than write again |
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| 16:33.23 | mildwood | yeah thanks, sorry i don't want to flood the chat, wait a 30 mins than write again |
| 16:33.26 | mildwood | is somebody willing to help me to sort out how to make a working f2fs root partition on a devuan arm64 rpi3 build? the raspbian method doesn't work... |
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| 17:09.35 | mildwood | is somebody willing to help me to sort out how to make a working f2fs root partition on a devuan arm64 rpi3 build? the raspbian method doesn't work... |
| 17:10.33 | Centurion_Dan | mildwood: why does the raspbian method fail? |
| 17:10.46 | mildwood | because it gives kernel panic |
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| 17:11.37 | mildwood | i dont know why but it writes kernel panic -not syncing vfs unable to mount root fs on unknown0block 179,2 |
| 17:13.08 | mildwood | can you write me the proper method that works on devuan? |
| 17:13.38 | Centurion_Dan | where is the doc for the raspbian method? |
| 17:13.40 | KatolaZ | mildwood: are you sure that the kernel you are using has support for f2fs? |
| 17:13.42 | KatolaZ | I mean |
| 17:13.58 | KatolaZ | does the initrd include the needed drivers? |
| 17:14.12 | KatolaZ | I guess the vanilla kernel does not have f2fs compiled in |
| 17:14.19 | mildwood | well i dont know, but i use the latest devuan rpi3 amd64 image |
| 17:14.33 | KatolaZ | it says "unknown block"...mmmhhhh... |
| 17:14.37 | mildwood | the 4.6.3 |
| 17:14.55 | mildwood | resize works fine on the ext4 filesystem |
| 17:15.04 | mildwood | http://whitehorseplanet.org/gate/topics/documentation/public/howto_ext4_to_f2fs_root_partition_raspi.html |
| 17:15.12 | mildwood | this is the raspbian method that works |
| 17:15.25 | Centurion_Dan | if you sponsor me an rpi3 I will fix ;-P |
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| 17:16.06 | KatolaZ | again mildwood |
| 17:16.27 | KatolaZ | you should be sure that support for the fs is either compiled in or included as a module in the initrd |
| 17:17.11 | mildwood | okay i trie to look into it, i am noob in compiling or checking if it supports it, ut i tought that after kernel version 3.8 every version supports f2fs |
| 17:17.46 | KatolaZ | mildwood: I know, but the problem is that, even if the driver is available, it might not be compiled into the kernel used to boot |
| 17:18.03 | KatolaZ | and/or it might also be missing in the corresponding initramfs |
| 17:18.44 | Centurion_Dan | you probably also need to fix the boot loader and possibly /etc/fstab so that it knows that it's f2fs instead of ext4 |
| 17:20.11 | KatolaZ | mildwood: you better ask parazyd who knows exactly what;'s in the rpi images |
| 17:20.34 | mildwood | yeah i changed everything in fstab and cmdline.txt and everything works on the raspbian image... |
| 17:20.40 | mildwood | okay i trie to talk to him |
| 17:20.45 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 17:21.11 | mildwood | thanks a lot |
| 17:24.45 | Centurion_Dan1 | mildwood: is f2fs a better fs for flash? |
| 17:26.16 | mildwood | well you can check test on the net, i think it worth it. longer sd life span better performance |
| 17:26.39 | mildwood | it is mostly ideal for the rpi ant other small devices that run the whole os on a flash drive |
| 17:29.00 | Centurion_Dan1 | mildwood: does our arm64 image boot and run on ext4? |
| 17:29.36 | mildwood | yes it works well on ext4 and for the time i figure out f2fs i use ext4 |
| 17:32.19 | Centurion_Dan1 | can you load the f2fs module with `modprobe f2fs`? |
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| 17:34.53 | mildwood | well i checked it with sudo modprobe f2fs and nothing happens |
| 17:35.25 | Centurion_Dan1 | what does `dmesg` say after doing that? |
| 17:37.23 | KatolaZ | mildwood: even if you can load the module after boot |
| 17:37.34 | KatolaZ | it does not mean that the module is available *during* boot |
| 17:38.11 | Centurion_Dan1 | KatolaZ: getting to that ;-) |
| 17:38.11 | KatolaZ | in order to mount a partition as /, the kernel must have the driver for the corresponding fs available during boot |
| 17:38.20 | mildwood | dmesg says a bunch of generic usb stuff and i am in tty so cant scroll up so much... |
| 17:38.21 | KatolaZ | oh sorry Centurion_Dan1 |
| 17:38.40 | mildwood | but it looks like modprobe can load f2fs |
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| 17:39.14 | Centurion_Dan1 | if we figure this out I may change it in debian-install for rpi3 too |
| 17:39.30 | Centurion_Dan1 | *debian-installer |
| 17:39.58 | Centurion_Dan1 | this way we better support rpi3's out of the box. |
| 17:40.15 | Centurion_Dan1 | might also be good for rpi's as well. |
| 17:40.33 | Centurion_Dan1 | and other arm based builds for that matter :-) |
| 17:41.00 | mildwood | i used it right after i found it and never had any problems on raspbian |
| 17:41.31 | Centurion_Dan1 | mildwood: add f2fs to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then run `update-initramfs -u -k all` |
| 17:42.03 | Centurion_Dan1 | then you should have it pre-loaded on boot and you can change your root to f2fs. |
| 17:42.21 | mildwood | okay |
| 17:42.30 | KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan1: it might not work straight away though, since booting on the pi is a bit odd... |
| 17:42.31 | Centurion_Dan1 | If that works I'll figure out how to make this the default for arm* images. |
| 17:42.51 | mildwood | i also did a test with loaded initramfs and it did not work |
| 17:43.02 | mildwood | but try it again |
| 17:43.33 | mildwood | the problem is that if i make the system to f2fs and then reboot, if it is not working the system is dead |
| 17:43.59 | mildwood | i can't login or do anything it freez right after boot with the above error |
| 17:44.49 | mildwood | i reinstalled the system 6 times today and the intramfs still did not work..., gave fstab uuid and partuuid instead of dev address |
| 17:46.57 | zdzichu | Albert Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing something over and over again and expecting a different result. |
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| 17:50.18 | mildwood | maybe try with small steps, i added f2fs on the initramfs file, maybe i make an f2fs partition that mount at boot and see if that works |
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| 17:56.44 | Centurion_Dan1 | mildwood: yup |
| 17:58.49 | KatolaZ | mildwood: you might find this interesting |
| 17:58.52 | KatolaZ | https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=10532 |
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| 18:09.54 | Centurion_Dan1 | KatolaZ: bit old that... |
| 18:10.42 | KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan1: right... |
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| 18:41.38 | timeless | can someone suggest a place to get help w/ an md raid array? I had a raid1 array (one partition mirrored on two drives), and one of the drive's cables came out -- i've tried to mdadm --manage /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdf7 the drive, and it rebuilds, but once it finishes rebuilding, it's converted into a spare instead of left as a normal drive |
| 18:48.00 | Centurion_Dan1 | timeless: mdadm --re-add /dev/md1 /dev/sdf7 |
| 18:49.35 | timeless | centurion_dan1: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ibcd1xb3/ |
| 18:50.33 | timeless | goes to check what `(S)` means |
| 18:51.16 | timeless | ah, right, it's spare |
| 18:51.27 | timeless | i'd have to --remove it first iirc https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/aS5CUmAn/ |
| 18:51.46 | timeless | should i --remove /dev/sdf7 ; --re-add /dev/sdf7 ? |
| 18:51.49 | Centurion_Dan1 | should have been the command. You might now will now need to do mdadm -r /dev/md1 --remove-failed |
| 18:54.00 | timeless | mdadm: unrecognized option '--remove-failed' |
| 18:54.21 | timeless | err, is `-r` correct? |
| 18:54.29 | timeless | (note to self: read man pages before running arbitrary commands) |
| 18:55.04 | timeless | mdadm - v3.3.2 - 21st August 2014 |
| 18:55.16 | Centurion_Dan1 | yes should be mdadm --remove /dev/md1 failed |
| 18:55.27 | Centurion_Dan1 | `mdadm --remove /dev/md1 failed` |
| 18:56.05 | timeless | root@peach:~# mdadm --remove /dev/md1 failed ; echo $? |
| 18:56.05 | timeless | 0 |
| 18:56.09 | timeless | doesn't seem to have done anything |
| 18:56.23 | Centurion_Dan1 | or `mdadm --remove /dev/md1 detached` |
| 18:56.32 | Centurion_Dan1 | now do a cat /proc/mdstat |
| 18:56.43 | timeless | after remove failed, it's still listed as a spare https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7ElejrCb/ |
| 18:57.03 | timeless | still there https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/nvDBzuW3/ |
| 18:58.36 | timeless | really wants to know what the item labeled "removed" in https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7ElejrCb/ is / how to find out |
| 19:01.33 | Centurion_Dan1 | look at the full output of mdadm -D /dev/md1 |
| 19:05.24 | Centurion_Dan1 | try `mdadm /dev/md1 --fail detached --remove detached` |
| 19:07.39 | Centurion_Dan1 | timeless: ^^ |
| 19:07.43 | timeless | someone else suggested https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=767243#15 |
| 19:08.02 | timeless | full output https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Sn5Z3mV9/ |
| 19:08.38 | timeless | fail detached remove detached https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/Qop2jU9f/ |
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| 19:18.16 | Centurion_Dan1 | timeless: either write to the drive or try `echo "repair" > /sys/block/md1/md/sync_action` |
| 19:18.32 | Centurion_Dan1 | that might kick off the rebuild |
| 19:18.38 | timeless | nods |
| 19:18.42 | timeless | fwiw, a bit of a backstory... |
| 19:18.49 | timeless | sda is dying (smart tells me daily) |
| 19:18.57 | timeless | sdf was unlucky and its data cable popped out |
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| 19:20.38 | timeless | has tried the sync_action approach before but is happy to try again |
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| 19:21.05 | timeless | ... https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2bH4MwYN/ |
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| 20:47.57 | Centurion_Dan1 | timeless: you might have to remove and add /dev/sdf7 again |
| 20:48.13 | timeless | yeah, i've tried that |
| 20:48.25 | Centurion_Dan1 | still no luck. |
| 20:48.28 | timeless | i'm pretty sure the problem is that there are a number of bad sectors in sda6 |
| 20:48.28 | Centurion_Dan1 | ? |
| 20:48.42 | timeless | which gets md quite upset |
| 20:48.56 | timeless | is currently fighting a different headache (and some unhelpful advice on this headache) |
| 20:50.04 | Centurion_Dan1 | Never stick with a failing hdd... it's not worth it. I usually kick them to the curb pretty quickly once they start re-allocating sectors. |
| 20:50.26 | Centurion_Dan1 | or when the read error rate starts climbing significantly. |
| 20:52.29 | timeless | nods |
| 20:52.37 | timeless | my plan is to kick the whole box to the curb |
| 20:52.40 | timeless | it's such a mess |
| 20:52.46 | timeless | but, that's not the now |
| 20:53.40 | Centurion_Dan1 | fair enough. Can you remove the failing /dev/sda and make it boot from sd7? |
| 20:53.58 | Centurion_Dan1 | */dev/sdf ? |
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| 21:04.55 | timeless | i can't figure out how to do that |
| 21:05.16 | timeless | 1. there seems to be no way to ask linux "which physical sata port is drive x on" |
| 21:05.42 | timeless | so i think what i need to do is get the serial and volume details and then power off the computer and unscrew disk at a time trying to find "sda" |
| 21:08.25 | debdog | IIRC, on my MoBo at least, they are ordered by physical port |
| 21:09.00 | debdog | so sda would be the port with the lowest number |
| 21:09.06 | debdog | *used port |
| 21:12.11 | timeless | it definitely isn't :) |
| 21:12.33 | timeless | since sdf was 5 (0..7) and there was something on 6 which clearly got a letter before f |
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| 21:12.56 | debdog | hmm, then it must be written $somewhere otherwise it'd be totally random |
| 21:28.39 | Centurion_Dan | timeless - there is actually |
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| 21:32.58 | Centurion_Dan | get the serial number using smartctl -i /dev/sdf |
| 21:33.11 | timeless | Centurion_Dan: oh, i can get the serial number easily |
| 21:33.22 | Chanku | Heyy |
| 21:33.24 | timeless | it's just far inferrior to "tell me which cable you are" |
| 21:34.03 | timeless | there are probably a dozen tools that'll tell me the serial number, but none which will tell me the cable |
| 21:45.05 | Centurion_Dan | you should be able to isolate the ATA port which should match the motherboard port. |
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| 21:56.02 | Centurion_Dan1 | i often just use hdparm to light up the drive light, but that only works when you use backplanes... |
| 21:57.37 | Centurion_Dan1 | actually it's not that easy :-/ |
| 22:00.22 | Centurion_Dan | install lsscsi and use that. |
| 22:21.10 | DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: maybe worth noting that aiui timeless didn't reboot after plugging in sdf again, so the device is in a limbo state |
| 22:21.33 | timeless | Centurion_Dan: lsscsi's output isn't helpful |
| 22:21.58 | timeless | there's no sata port 8 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/K6YBoYWY/ |
| 22:23.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | I'd guess a mere reboot will fix a *lot* of the weirdness seen in that system right now |
| 22:23.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | basically right now sdf is permanently failing |
| 22:23.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | until reboot |
| 22:24.14 | DocScrutinizer05 | rebooting will make sdf available to the md again, and will restore 'normal' operation |
| 22:24.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | all disclaimer: *AIUI* |
| 22:24.58 | timeless | gives in and reboots peach |
| 22:25.05 | timeless | blames DocScrutinizer05 in advance :) |
| 22:34.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | timeless: for interfaces, refer to `ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/` |
| 22:34.45 | DocScrutinizer05 | but you really don't want to mess with cables |
| 22:35.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | unless you want to find out which HDD unit to swap for a new drive |
| 22:37.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | for the latter I usually go sdX -> `ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/` | grep sdX -> count sata jacks on PCB / read labels at them -> follow cable to drive -> look at drive label, and name and serial number there, to verify I got the right one |
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| 22:41.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | re hotplugging: SCSII only version3 is hot pluggable, ATA/IDE isn't at all, SATA more or less is, but in any case none is working without software side support on linux, starting with (but not limited to) a clean sync&&umount prior to unplug, and some weird actions needed after hotplug to make the kernel detect the new device |
| 22:42.49 | furrywolf | I've hotplugged scsi plenty of times, but I've never tried it with mounted drives. :) |
| 22:43.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | "weird action" = echo "magic incantation" > some/obscure/location |
| 22:43.31 | furrywolf | yep. but I haven't used scsi in many years, so don't remember how to do that. |
| 22:44.08 | DocScrutinizer05 | from a kernel POV afaik SATA == SCSI |
| 22:45.06 | DocScrutinizer05 | http://serverfault.com/questions/5336/how-do-i-make-linux-recognize-a-new-sata-dev-sda-drive-i-hot-swapped-in-without |
| 22:51.46 | DocScrutinizer05 | ((ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/)) readlink /sys/block/*; #better |
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| 23:01.43 | timeless | disk/by-path didn't give correct values either |
| 23:01.50 | timeless | at least the ones i looked at |
| 23:01.57 | timeless | i really did try a bunch of things |
| 23:02.38 | timeless | the system is pure sata, and from looking at the docs it seems that sata is surprisingly hot plug friendly |
| 23:03.07 | timeless | anyway, it booted and has decided that sda6 is "failed" and it seems to be trying to use sdf7 as the primary |
| 23:03.15 | timeless | it was around 5% through the process when i last visited it |
| 23:04.28 | DocScrutinizer05 | yes, that's expected |
| 23:06.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | the system should operate 'within normal parameters' (just like it did before the data cable oopsie) and you should swap sda for a working drive ASAP |
| 23:07.32 | DocScrutinizer05 | you *might* lose any data written to md1 since the data cable got loose |
| 23:08.33 | DocScrutinizer05 | what's status of the other raids of which sdf was a member? |
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| 23:53.00 | Centurion_Dan1 | timeless: use `lsscsi -v` You've obviously got other interfaces that register ATA devices... look for the ones sharing the same pci(-e) bus slot and subtract any lower numbered ATA devices not on the same pci(-e) bus slot to get the port number... of course be aware there is no hard guarantee that your MoBo port numbering actually matches the order they are registered - although it has been everytime I've looked. |
| 23:53.19 | Centurion_Dan1 | Weeezy: never tried it... |
| 23:53.49 | Weeezy | I'll give it a go. |
| 23:55.37 | timeless | Centurion_Dan1: it's at 20% through its md1: whatever... and has as expected found various failed bits on the sda disk... |
