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| 02:08.51 | markizano | hey... isn't the release file corrupted? |
| 02:08.53 | markizano | https://auto.mirrors.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-updates/Release |
| 02:09.06 | markizano | "Components: main contrib non-freeMD5Sum:" |
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| 02:17.08 | Xenguy | I don't read it that way |
| 02:17.25 | Xenguy | Isn't that just a heading of sorts? |
| 02:17.57 | Xenguy | for the specific files that follow? |
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| 02:22.29 | jnylen0 | Hi KatolaZ - suspend/resume works perfectly in latest Ubuntu (live cd). |
| 02:22.56 | jnylen0 | So the next thing I'd try is building a new kernel for Devuan. Not really sure how to do that exactly but I'll muddle through. |
| 02:23.02 | jnylen0 | Unless you have any other ideas? |
| 02:23.22 | jnylen0 | Also, kind of weird - the touchpad works in Devuan but not Ubuntu. |
| 02:23.45 | AlexLikeRock | jnylen0, used a kernel PRIVATIVE |
| 02:24.14 | jnylen0 | What do you mean? |
| 02:24.27 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.46 | jnylen0 | I care more about a *working* kernel :) |
| 02:25.04 | AlexLikeRock | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre |
| 02:25.07 | fsmithred | I came in late - stock kernel isn't working for you? |
| 02:25.26 | AlexLikeRock | https://www.fsfla.org/ikiwiki/selibre/linux-libre/ |
| 02:25.30 | jnylen0 | Ah, yeah, we discussed a bit earlier. When I resume from suspend, blank screen (Dell XPS 15 9550). |
| 02:25.46 | jnylen0 | The standard stuff online (including some Intel register manipulation hacks) is not working for me. |
| 02:25.54 | jnylen0 | But, booting from an Ubuntu livecd, suspend/resume seems to work fine. |
| 02:26.02 | fsmithred | there are a couple of packages specific for dell laptops, but I don't know if they are for your model |
| 02:26.20 | Xenguy | suspend and hibernate both work on Devuan here (I use the pm-h* and pm-s* tools ATM) |
| 02:26.27 | Xenguy | Thinkpad |
| 02:26.46 | jnylen0 | Yep, pm-suspend works, but resume does not. Haven't tried hibernate yet - dont' care about that as much. |
| 02:27.12 | jnylen0 | The machine does resume, at least partially, because it responds to SSH. |
| 02:27.23 | Xenguy | pm-hibernate is a bit riskier from what folks seem to say |
| 02:27.43 | Xenguy | pm-suspend works here as well |
| 02:27.46 | markizano | Xenguy: Isn't it supposed to be "Components: main contrib non-free\nMD5Sum:" |
| 02:27.47 | jnylen0 | I need suspend to work because I plan for this to be my work laptop for the next couple years. |
| 02:28.03 | jnylen0 | Anyone know a good guide for building a new kernel? :p |
| 02:28.05 | markizano | https://auto.mirrors.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/Release |
| 02:28.08 | markizano | ^ The others aren't like that |
| 02:28.17 | markizano | http://security.debian.org/debian-security/dists/jessie/updates/Release <- another example... |
| 02:28.28 | Xenguy | markizano: I see what you mean but I have no knowledge of that syntax |
| 02:28.51 | markizano | It's messing with my apt-ness :x |
| 02:29.01 | Xenguy | jnylen0: A good guide is don't build a new kernel unless you must :) |
| 02:29.25 | fsmithred | there are a couple of good kernel building guides in the howto section at forums.debian.net |
| 02:29.32 | jnylen0 | An alternative would be to troubleshoot ACPI events and stuff, as KatolaZ mentioned earlier. But I don't know how to do that either. |
| 02:29.57 | fsmithred | what do you need to do with the kernel? |
| 02:30.05 | jnylen0 | Fix resuming from suspend |
| 02:30.09 | Xenguy | We sometimes lurch and walk one step at a time, haha |
| 02:30.27 | jnylen0 | Yep |
| 02:30.27 | fsmithred | yeah, do you know how to fix that? |
| 02:30.31 | jnylen0 | Nope |
| 02:30.35 | fsmithred | lol |
| 02:30.38 | jnylen0 | Super excited to be running without systemd though :) |
| 02:30.52 | fsmithred | yeah, just like old times |
| 02:31.01 | fsmithred | compiling a kernel is easy |
| 02:31.15 | fsmithred | figuring out what you need to compile into it is not so easy |
| 02:31.17 | AlexLikeRock | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.24 | AlexLikeRock | and try |
| 02:31.29 | jnylen0 | I guess... |
| 02:31.31 | Xenguy | <eject>Systemd</eject> |
| 02:31.32 | AlexLikeRock | if work right |
| 02:31.33 | jnylen0 | Though I doubt it will work |
| 02:31.41 | jnylen0 | Part of the problem is this is quite new hardware |
| 02:31.50 | AlexLikeRock | my PC not soport kernel 3.16 and 4.X |
| 02:32.02 | jnylen0 | In what way? |
| 02:32.08 | AlexLikeRock | im working with kernel 2.6 |
| 02:32.35 | jnylen0 | "not support" - what is it specifically that doesn't work? |
| 02:32.45 | AlexLikeRock | GRAPHICS |
| 02:32.52 | AlexLikeRock | hangs |
| 02:32.56 | AlexLikeRock | FROZZEN |
| 02:33.00 | jnylen0 | Ah |
| 02:33.36 | jnylen0 | Anyway thanks for the tip fsmithred - I will have a look around forums.debian.net |
| 02:33.47 | fsmithred | jnylen0, if your laptop is very new, it might make sense to try the backports kernel |
| 02:33.51 | fsmithred | 4.8 |
| 02:34.01 | jnylen0 | Ok... how do I do that? |
| 02:34.04 | fsmithred | hang on and I'll find a link to the howto |
| 02:34.06 | jnylen0 | I'm already running a wifi driver from backports |
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| 02:34.18 | Xenguy | shivers... |
| 02:34.29 | jnylen0 | ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 02:34.32 | AlexLikeRock | jnylen0, download by old sources |
| 02:34.36 | fsmithred | aptitude -t jessie-backports search linux-image |
| 02:34.42 | fsmithred | then install the one you want |
| 02:34.51 | AlexLikeRock | i install from squeeze |
| 02:34.53 | AlexLikeRock | :-P |
| 02:35.20 | jnylen0 | AlexLikeRock: I am pretty sure I need a *newer* kernel, not an *older* one. |
| 02:35.38 | AlexLikeRock | ok, i only aport ideas ;-) |
| 02:36.04 | fsmithred | probably linux-image-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 (or i386) |
| 02:36.37 | Xenguy | You wild and crazy hacker people |
| 02:36.53 | Xenguy | Always coming up with crazy effective different ways to do stuff |
| 02:37.14 | jnylen0 | Hmm |
| 02:37.27 | jnylen0 | I guess `deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports main` ? |
| 02:37.39 | Xenguy | I'll shut up now (I watch and learn) |
| 02:38.17 | jnylen0 | Yeah, watch me break the sh*t out of this brand new computer :D |
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| 02:38.31 | Xenguy | Hai Yah! |
| 02:39.05 | fsmithred | jnylen0, this one is old, but it probably still works - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525&hilit=compile+kernel&sid=5bb97b6f35a9aa19b9ac0ac1b80c5b42#p212491 |
| 02:39.23 | jnylen0 | Nice |
| 02:39.23 | fsmithred | last time I did it was over a year ago with squeeze, and it worked fine |
| 02:39.27 | jnylen0 | Though hopefully I won't need it at all |
| 02:39.33 | fsmithred | right |
| 02:39.53 | fsmithred | do you know to disable the backports repo after you install what you want? |
| 02:40.10 | fsmithred | or pin it to a lower priority |
| 02:40.27 | fsmithred | so that you don't get everything upgraded to backports versions when you do update/upgrade |
| 02:40.46 | Xenguy | (Beware the Dark Arts Harry) |
| 02:41.09 | fsmithred | ? |
| 02:41.14 | jnylen0 | I can just comment it out of sources.list ? |
| 02:41.21 | fsmithred | yes |
| 02:41.28 | Xenguy | j/k fsmithred |
| 02:41.33 | jnylen0 | Ok, grub setup looks good so far... |
| 02:41.36 | fsmithred | and run apt-get update again |
| 02:42.09 | jnylen0 | Maybe i can look more into what else is in here another day ;) |
| 02:42.29 | jnylen0 | rebooting that machine |
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| 02:43.39 | jnylen0 | hmm, there are 3 entries for each kernel: "Linux $version", "Linux $version (sysvinit)", and "Linux $version (recovery mode)" |
| 02:43.48 | jnylen0 | Wonder what the difference is between the first two? should both be sysvinit, no? |
| 02:44.11 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.17 | fsmithred | oh,the boot menu? |
| 02:44.24 | jnylen0 | Annnnd it's borked :( |
| 02:44.37 | jnylen0 | Yeah |
| 02:44.51 | fsmithred | you installed debian or devuan? |
| 02:45.02 | jnylen0 | Devuan :) |
| 02:45.21 | fsmithred | oh, maybe that's a leftover from debian |
| 02:45.27 | jnylen0 | Probably. |
| 02:45.37 | fsmithred | the first two should be the same - both sysvinit |
| 02:45.42 | jnylen0 | So yeah, it booted into 4.8, but no graphics, and more error messages than usual. |
| 02:45.51 | fsmithred | third one is also sysvinit, but in single-user mode (runlevel 1) |
| 02:46.21 | jnylen0 | I guess I can still try suspend. |
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| 02:46.54 | jnylen0 | And screen is back ðð» |
| 02:46.57 | fsmithred | did you install any proprietary video drivers or create xorg.conf? |
| 02:47.00 | jnylen0 | Not super conclusive though |
| 02:47.01 | jnylen0 | Nope |
| 02:47.15 | fsmithred | so suspend works but X doesn't? |
| 02:47.20 | jnylen0 | Right. |
| 02:47.30 | jnylen0 | Wifi is down too, though I can probably fix that. |
| 02:47.46 | jnylen0 | And something about i2c_hid, which I think is probably the touchpad. |
| 02:47.47 | fsmithred | lol, lots of people around here can coach you on using non-X applications |
| 02:48.05 | jnylen0 | Heh, would be kind of funny to buy a brand new laptop and use it CLI-only. |
| 02:48.17 | jnylen0 | Though unfortunately not gonna work: I make the $$ as a web developer. :) |
| 02:48.35 | fsmithred | lynx-friendly websites are nice |
| 02:48.40 | jnylen0 | Also this terminal is hilariously tiny and impossible to read. |
| 02:48.53 | jnylen0 | I agree with you, I just don't think my employer would put that high of a priority on it ;) |
| 02:49.05 | jnylen0 | Anyway, I think that's progress |
| 02:49.21 | jnylen0 | 1 step forward, 3 steps back. typical linux :p |
| 02:49.48 | fsmithred | and when you look up how to do something, there are 10 different ways |
| 02:50.24 | jnylen0 | 10^5 different ways, at least |
| 02:50.32 | fsmithred | well, yeah |
| 02:50.40 | fsmithred | what desktop you using? xfce? |
| 02:50.44 | jnylen0 | and that one guy who says "I solved it!" with no details |
| 02:50.46 | jnylen0 | Yep, for now |
| 02:51.01 | fsmithred | and you have a display manager? like slim or lightdm |
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| 02:52.19 | jnylen0 | Whatever was default with Devuan. |
| 02:52.24 | fsmithred | ok |
| 02:52.46 | fsmithred | what kind of graphics in the laptop? |
| 02:52.56 | jnylen0 | For another day :) |
| 02:52.57 | jnylen0 | That's mostly fine, though I want to swap out the window manager for xmonad. |
| 02:53.00 | jnylen0 | Intel somethingsomething and nvidia somethingsomething |
| 02:53.10 | jnylen0 | I don't even know which one was in use on kernel 3.x, probably intel |
| 02:53.14 | fsmithred | lspci |
| 02:53.43 | fsmithred | on-board graphics and a separate nvidia card? |
| 02:54.00 | jnylen0 | Not sure tbh. I will probably just disable the nvidia. |
| 02:54.14 | fsmithred | before you do |
| 02:54.18 | jnylen0 | Intel Corporation Device 191b (rev 06) |
| 02:54.23 | fsmithred | have to tried booting with nomodeset? |
| 02:54.29 | jnylen0 | Kernel driver in use: 1915 |
| 02:54.35 | fsmithred | type e at the boot screen |
| 02:54.50 | jnylen0 | 8086:191b subsystem 1028:06e4 |
| 02:54.58 | fsmithred | edit the linux line to add nomodeset |
| 02:54.58 | jnylen0 | Ok, under kernel 3.x or 4.x? |
| 02:55.14 | fsmithred | the one that gives you a black screen in X |
| 02:55.32 | jnylen0 | Ok, older |
| 02:55.34 | jnylen0 | trying |
| 02:55.53 | fsmithred | oh, that's the older kernel that has the vid problem? |
| 02:56.15 | jnylen0 | Well.. older kernel works except for resume after suspend |
| 02:56.20 | jnylen0 | Newer kernel works on resume, but no X |
| 02:56.38 | jnylen0 | Damnit, forgot to edit the boot line lol |
| 02:56.38 | fsmithred | then add nomodeset to the linux line for the 4.x kernel |
| 02:56.55 | fsmithred | that might give you your desktop back |
| 02:57.23 | jnylen0 | Anyway, graphics and wifi are broken in kernel 3.x now as well :( |
| 02:57.27 | jnylen0 | Will try nomodeset in 4.x now |
| 02:58.01 | fsmithred | brb |
| 02:59.49 | jnylen0 | nomodeset does indeed give desktop back on kernel 4.x |
| 02:59.53 | jnylen0 | wifi and touchpad are broken |
| 02:59.55 | jnylen0 | trying suspend now |
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| 03:05.38 | jnylen0 | ya still no resume :( |
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| 03:12.22 | fsmithred | you're not the only one with this problem. I've seen it mentioned other places - maybe dng mailing list |
| 03:14.22 | fsmithred | jnylen0, have you tried pm-suspend on command line with --quirk-*? |
| 03:14.29 | jnylen0 | No |
| 03:14.36 | jnylen0 | Any particular quirks to try? |
| 03:15.48 | fsmithred | I don't know |
| 03:16.02 | jnylen0 | Okay, will do that next. |
| 03:16.10 | fsmithred | this is the first time I've read about it |
| 03:16.14 | fsmithred | man pm-suspend |
| 03:16.17 | jnylen0 | I've seen it mentioned other places too, along with a hacky fix using `intel_reg_read` and `intel_reg_write` - that didn't work for me either. |
| 03:16.41 | jnylen0 | Worth trying again under 4.x I suppose, but need to fix wifi first so I can ssh into it. |
| 03:16.47 | jnylen0 | I've had about enough for one day though. |
| 03:21.42 | fsmithred | if you installed a proprietary driver for wifi, you might just need to reinstall the same one |
| 03:21.55 | fsmithred | or check backports for a newer one |
| 03:24.38 | jnylen0 | I used a driver from backports and copied the firmware files into the right places. |
| 03:25.16 | fsmithred | if it compiled modules, they need to be compiled for the new kernel |
| 03:25.35 | fsmithred | oh, and you would need to install the linux-headers package of the same version |
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| 17:37.26 | weissenborn | how close is devuan now to a non-beta release? I have used alpha, beta1 and beta2, and it flies beautifully. How can you improve it? |
| 17:37.41 | weissenborn | Actaully, I might not have used alpha |
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| 17:42.56 | KatolaZ | weissenborn: why are you concerned with that? :) |
| 17:45.43 | KatolaZ | I mean, with the fact that Devuan is still in beta |
| 17:50.44 | weissenborn | I guess it doesn't really matter. Since it works beuatifully. |
| 17:51.49 | weissenborn | I would like to see a newer version of xfce though for multimon. No doubt that day will get here |
| 17:52.14 | weissenborn | 4.10 right now |
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| 17:55.59 | KatolaZ | I see :) |
| 17:56.22 | golinux | weissenborn: Xfce will still be 4.10 in the stable release |
| 17:58.47 | weissenborn | so it is so close that it is essentially a freeze |
| 18:08.22 | armin | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:08.23 | armin | virt-manager : Depends: gconf2 but it is not going to be installed |
| 18:08.24 | armin | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 18:08.25 | armin | meh |
| 18:08.32 | armin | gotta admit i'm running testing :) |
| 18:08.45 | armin | root@acid:/home/armin# cat /etc/devuan_version |
| 18:08.46 | armin | ascii/ceres |
| 18:08.47 | armin | root@acid:/home/armin# |
| 18:09.06 | armin | btw, fwiw: this kde5 on devuan testing is the most stable kde5 i've ever used. |
| 18:09.22 | armin | i'm VERY happy with it. |
| 18:11.03 | golinux | armin: testing isn't getting much love atm. Want to get the RC out |
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| 18:52.42 | weissenborn | I undertsand that XFCE is moving to gnome's GDBus. Does GDBus have systemD dependencies? I understood that Gnome has systemd dependencies. Is XFCE hamstrung by this? Going forward I want to keep clear of systemD and that is a large part of why I am happy with Devuan. |
| 18:53.30 | weissenborn | syetmD is like a virus |
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| 19:28.32 | AlexLikeRock | i agree weissenborn |
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| 20:04.10 | thessy | hi, I have an omnia turris router (with adapted openwrt on it, https://omnia.turris.cz/en/) on which you can run lxc containers. There prepared images for ubuntu, debian and so on, but not devuan. So I want to create one. Probably one of https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/embedded/ could be used. But which? |
| 20:04.52 | thessy | cpu is ARMv7 Processor rev 1 (v7l), Marvell Armada 380/385 |
| 20:06.29 | KatolaZ | thessy: is it armel or armhf? |
| 20:07.12 | KatolaZ | (btw, I think I have heard about Devuan images for lxc, but I might be wrong...) |
| 20:08.06 | thessy | yes, you mean https://git.devuan.org/gregolsen/lxc-devuan |
| 20:08.18 | thessy | but thats only for i386 and amd64 |
| 20:09.33 | thessy | I think it's armhf, but how could I check on the device? |
| 20:10.54 | Leander256 | I'm not sure you can use embedded images on another system, because they have a specific boot configuration for the targetted device |
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| 20:20.42 | thessy | mh, 'uname -m' says 'armv7l' |
| 20:21.40 | weissenborn | Which DEs are Devuan most unlikely to support? |
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| 21:47.06 | Centurion_Dan | katolaz ARMv7 is typically armhf |
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| 22:19.34 | KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan: I missed the "v7" part... :) |
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