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| 01:00.34 | Centurion_Dan | Fervi: no we don't. Use dbus-x11 |
| 01:02.14 | Centurion_Dan | furrywolf: yes, but that is harder when there are packages like skype that now ship exclusively pulseaudio and don't support alsa |
| 01:02.27 | Fervi | but xfconf require dbus-session-bus, that require dbus-x11. We should add dbus-session-bus or change dependency in xfconf to directly use dbus-x11 |
| 01:05.25 | furrywolf | there's a pulse-to-alsa shim library that's not well maintained... we could maintain it such that those programs work. |
| 01:05.34 | Fervi | Centurion_Dan: https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse |
| 01:05.34 | Fervi | Maybe it should fix this PA2Alsa problem |
| 01:06.43 | Centurion_Dan | Fervi: ok. I'll fix the dbus package in the next couple of days. |
| 01:07.39 | golinux | Fervi: apulse has been thrown around here for years. Nothing new |
| 01:27.42 | Centurion_Dan | I'll look into apulse... it's currently a stale project but interesting provided we can make it work reliably. |
| 01:32.54 | Fervi | or symlink package "skype" to "pidgin" :P |
| 01:33.33 | Fervi | and dialog message "Stallman doesn't like your Skype software, we install pidgin instead" |
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| 01:40.44 | Centurion_Dan | it's not the only package the depends on pulseaudio. Something around gstreamer does too. |
| 01:41.34 | furrywolf | next version of firefox is supposed to depend on pulseaudio too, dropping alsa support |
| 01:45.25 | TwistedFate | why do people keep shitting into our lives with such bullshit? |
| 01:45.43 | Centurion_Dan | well then we need to kick up a stink and threaten to drop it from devuan! |
| 01:45.51 | TwistedFate | every single software maker is falling to the pulse and freaking lennart crap |
| 01:46.00 | TwistedFate | well not every, but still |
| 01:47.21 | MinceR | allegedly firefox can still be built with alsa support, devuan could do that |
| 01:47.28 | MinceR | or one can replace it with palemoon :> |
| 01:47.58 | furrywolf | yes, it can, _now_... it's being removed. |
| 01:48.13 | MinceR | not only from their binaries? |
| 01:49.30 | TwistedFate | firefox was my browser of choice for years, it seems that they strayed from their path.. :( |
| 01:49.53 | MinceR | they've been going downhill for a while now |
| 01:50.04 | furrywolf | mandatory plugin signing pissed me off a lot |
| 01:50.23 | furrywolf | because obviously firefox should be the sole arbiter of what extensions I'm allowed to use. |
| 01:50.30 | furrywolf | s/firefox/mozilla |
| 01:51.54 | MinceR | australis pissed me off |
| 01:52.02 | MinceR | because it likes to pretend 'enter' is 'left click' |
| 01:52.26 | MinceR | type in something in the search box, hit enter, and it opens search settings because the mouse pointer happened to be there |
| 01:52.29 | MinceR | insane |
| 01:53.38 | furrywolf | that's... defective |
| 01:54.12 | MinceR | firefox also started forgetting the icons for my tabs |
| 01:54.23 | MinceR | it seems palemoon doesn't do that, or at least does it a lot less often |
| 01:56.13 | TwistedFate | pale moon seems to be going in a healthy direction and |
| 01:56.24 | TwistedFate | it appears to be having a healthy leadership |
| 01:57.27 | golinux | FYI you can disable plugin signing in about:config |
| 01:58.39 | golinux | MinceR: I've never used a searchbox because startpage is my home page |
| 01:58.43 | MinceR | :) |
| 01:58.51 | MinceR | i use the quicksearch bar extensively |
| 01:59.02 | furrywolf | golinux: no, you can't. you USED to be able to. |
| 01:59.18 | MinceR | i have all sorts of site-specific searches there |
| 01:59.25 | golinux | Most of my searched come from history in the URL bar |
| 01:59.33 | golinux | S/searches |
| 02:00.06 | MinceR | oh, yet another way in which pale moon beats firefox: every search in there (including the ones i added) has an icon |
| 02:00.14 | MinceR | in firefox many of them would not have an icon |
| 02:00.19 | furrywolf | I don't care about icons. |
| 02:00.26 | MinceR | (and on australis they don't even have a label, so all i had were blank buttons) |
| 02:00.47 | golinux | But all this has gotten far astray from pulseaudio issues. |
| 02:00.49 | MinceR | firefox mobile also likes to do this |
| 02:00.59 | furrywolf | as of firefox 48, you're no longer allowed to disable signing. |
| 02:01.02 | MinceR | yeah, pulseaudio was a big drop in the bucket for me |
| 02:01.35 | furrywolf | their justification, which is of course forced onto users rather than based on user input, is that it's for your own good. |
| 02:02.27 | golinux | I'm still on FF 38 and 45. Guess I'll stay there until something better comes along. Palemoon doesn't totally cut it for me |
| 02:04.36 | Xenguy | Are there specific issues with Pulseaudio (PA) or is it just that the Devil wrote it? ;) |
| 02:07.14 | MinceR | it is predisposed to skips and stutters |
| 02:07.28 | MinceR | and its client library likes to drop files even when the server isn't even installed |
| 02:07.54 | MinceR | also, it breaks programs that use alsa's low level API |
| 02:10.34 | MinceR | but even if PA wasn't a dumpster fire, mozilla's decision to force it on users would still be unacceptable |
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| 02:11.08 | Xenguy | It does sound like a poor decision on their part |
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| 02:11.53 | Xenguy | I have used FF for years tho, so I think it would be hard to give up, for me |
| 02:12.43 | Xenguy | Not that I couldn't do it if need be; I'd just rather not need to, if possible |
| 02:12.46 | furrywolf | it crashes constantly, it often simply Doesn't Work, it fails to expose mixer interfaces required for using many cards (like the speaker switch on a laptop), its alsa emulation is mostly worthless so non-pulse applications stop working, it uses unreasonable cpu and ram, it takes over your system and prevents any other sound software from working, it adds delay and stutter for no reason, it's a nightmare to configure,... |
| 02:13.51 | furrywolf | it's really a lot like other software from the same source. |
| 02:16.11 | Xenguy | huh, I had no idea :-/ |
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| 02:29.48 | juansantiago | hola, ¿alguien habla español? |
| 02:31.13 | furrywolf | I do not, and I don't think many here do. |
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| 05:07.58 | juansantiago | furrywolf, ok, i,m try in english |
| 05:08.18 | juansantiago | what de diference in cd iso and dvd iso? |
| 05:09.41 | furrywolf | I'd assume more stuff on the dvd iso, as dvds are bigger. but I've only ever installed from the netinst cd, so don't know what's on the big ones. |
| 05:09.51 | furrywolf | But, I'm just heading off to bed. Someone else here should be able to help more. |
| 05:10.48 | juansantiago | ok thanks :) |
| 05:13.27 | furrywolf | It's bedtime for many of the people in here, so if no one is around, you might try back tomorrow. |
| 05:14.51 | juansantiago | ok, i,m a noctrune animal |
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| 09:43.45 | aitor | juansantiago: sÃ, yo hablo español, y alguno más también, como Emiliano Marini (argentino?), aunque no sé si frecuenta esta canal... Es más fácil que le encuentres en la lista de correo |
| 09:44.52 | aitor | También están Albert Zuin, y otro Antonio Trkdz.tab en la lista, y creo recordar también a alguien llamado Israel |
| 09:45.03 | aitor | si es asÃ, ya somos cinco! |
| 09:46.32 | aitor | podemos montar un equipo de futbol sala, con camisetas de devuan |
| 09:47.48 | jaromil | que chingoneria :^))) |
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| 09:50.18 | aitor | ups, y puede que jaromil también... él de suplente en el banquillo |
| 09:50.45 | Centurion_Dan | juansantiago: ? |
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| 09:52.02 | aitor | Centurion_Dan vive en Nueva Zelanda, y creo que es de padres alemanes, asà no vamos a poder ficharle |
| 09:52.53 | aitor | bye, bye :) |
| 09:56.51 | jaromil | un poquito de sabor latino aqui no va mal |
| 10:06.08 | Centurion_Dan | is a poor english only speaker... |
| 10:08.30 | Centurion_Dan | jaromil, I'filed a bug about jenkins-debian-glue issue... will need to find time to fix. I'm currently working on getting a local pbuilder setup on my laptop so I can do local build of my dev work which will speed results for me. |
| 10:19.39 | jaromil | ACK |
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| 14:46.56 | mystified | Hey guys, I'm new here. |
| 14:47.08 | mystified | I have no sound. |
| 14:47.31 | mystified | what is the default sound pkg. |
| 14:51.29 | mystified | Intel Corporation 82801JI |
| 14:51.48 | KatolaZ | mystified: ? |
| 14:52.06 | KatolaZ | have oyu checked your mixer levels? |
| 14:52.19 | KatolaZ | (it might well be that the master is muted...) |
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| 14:58.20 | mystified | Hi |
| 14:59.10 | mystified | lspci -v | grep -i audio |
| 14:59.10 | mystified | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) HD Audio Controller |
| 14:59.10 | mystified | 05:00.1 Audio device: NVIDIA Corporation High Definition Audio Controller (rev a1 |
| 15:00.17 | mystified | my desktop is xfce |
| 15:00.36 | mystified | I have no sound icon in the panel |
| 15:01.04 | golinux | So puy one there |
| 15:01.13 | golinux | puy > put |
| 15:02.05 | mystified | is it alsa mixer or something else |
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| 15:05.11 | mystified | running alsa mixer nothing happening |
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| 15:09.33 | mystified | how can I determine if the sound driver is activiated |
| 15:11.26 | mystified | lsmod | grep snd |
| 15:11.27 | mystified | snd_hda_codec_hdmi 45118 4 |
| 15:11.27 | mystified | snd_hda_codec_realtek 67168 1 |
| 15:11.27 | mystified | snd_hda_codec_generic 63181 1 snd_hda_codec_realtek |
| 15:11.27 | mystified | snd_hda_intel 26407 7 |
| 15:11.27 | mystified | snd_hda_controller 26646 1 snd_hda_intel |
| 15:11.29 | mystified | snd_hda_codec 104500 5 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_controller |
| 15:11.32 | mystified | snd_hwdep 13148 1 snd_hda_codec |
| 15:11.34 | mystified | snd_pcm 88662 4 snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_controller |
| 15:11.36 | mystified | snd_timer 26668 1 snd_pcm |
| 15:11.38 | mystified | snd 65338 22 snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hwdep,snd_timer,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_pcm,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_intel |
| 15:11.41 | mystified | soundcore 13026 2 snd,snd_hda_codec |
| 15:11.50 | mystified | just no sound playing |
| 15:12.17 | minnesotags | Hmm. You might have more success if you used pastebin. |
| 15:12.32 | mystified | Thx will do |
| 15:13.35 | mystified | http://pastebin.com/D73e11QL thx guys |
| 15:13.45 | KatolaZ | mystified: what does alsamixer say? |
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| 15:15.15 | mystified | HDA Intel with the option to use HDA Nvidia |
| 15:15.49 | mystified | only 1 wire speaker connected to rear of pc. |
| 15:16.19 | mystified | works fine in Trueos (Bsd) & every other linux. |
| 15:16.23 | KatolaZ | mystified: is the master muted there? |
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| 15:17.08 | mystified | master ticked |
| 15:17.32 | KatolaZ | can you beep? |
| 15:17.36 | mystified | master full volume |
| 15:17.48 | KatolaZ | ok but is it muted? |
| 15:17.59 | KatolaZ | (the MM at the bottom of the widget) |
| 15:18.05 | mystified | no muteon master |
| 15:18.13 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 15:18.57 | KatolaZ | can you beep? |
| 15:19.06 | KatolaZ | (is the speaker active/unmuted?) |
| 15:19.23 | mystified | yes active |
| 15:19.28 | mystified | how to beep |
| 15:21.12 | KatolaZ | echo -e "\a" |
| 15:22.41 | mystified | no.. nothing |
| 15:22.55 | mystified | blan line respnse in terminal |
| 15:23.04 | mystified | not even user prompt |
| 15:23.18 | KatolaZ | you might have a "beep" widget in alsamixer as well |
| 15:23.43 | golinux | Have you checked the pulseaudio settings? |
| 15:23.59 | golinux | Yes, it's in Devuan unfortunately |
| 15:23.59 | mystified | how to locate |
| 15:24.21 | KatolaZ | mystified: it should be in alsamixer |
| 15:24.25 | KatolaZ | try F6 |
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| 15:25.03 | mystified | no nothing |
| 15:25.10 | golinux | alsamixer should launch from terminal |
| 15:25.32 | mystified | alsa mixer is open |
| 15:25.51 | golinux | Scroll forward and make sure that nothing is muted |
| 15:26.41 | golinux | But to get alsa to work you might have to fiddle with pulseaufio. |
| 15:26.51 | mystified | muter are mics as I have none |
| 15:26.59 | mystified | & line in muted |
| 15:27.15 | golinux | or just delete it |
| 15:27.34 | mystified | alsa mixer |
| 15:27.56 | golinux | No pulseaudio |
| 15:29.39 | golinux | Have you chesen you soundcard in alsamixer? |
| 15:29.53 | mystified | <golinux> No pulseaudio |
| 15:29.54 | golinux | s / chosen |
| 15:29.56 | KatolaZ | it is done via F6 |
| 15:30.08 | mystified | <golinux> No pulseaudio |
| 15:30.14 | golinux | KatolaZ: Is faster than me |
| 15:30.17 | mystified | <golinux> No pulseaudio |
| 15:30.21 | KatolaZ | do you have more than one soundcard listed in alsamixer with F6? |
| 15:30.26 | KatolaZ | mystified: we got it |
| 15:30.30 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 15:30.35 | KatolaZ | we are trying to help |
| 15:30.37 | mystified | [pulseaudio] pid.c: Daemon already running |
| 15:30.48 | KatolaZ | so you DO have pulseaudio |
| 15:30.49 | mystified | [pulseaudio] main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed |
| 15:31.09 | mystified | ran from terminal |
| 15:31.38 | KatolaZ | ran what? |
| 15:31.57 | mystified | I understand & I very mucha appreciate your help. |
| 15:32.14 | mystified | It's not taken for granted on my part !! :) |
| 15:32.22 | mystified | pulseaudio |
| 15:32.31 | golinux | Is it installed? |
| 15:33.22 | Hestben | golinux: The error message said "already running", so I suppose so |
| 15:33.46 | mystified | sorry I forgotten the command to search for installed pkgs |
| 15:33.58 | Hestben | mystified: did you try to run "alsamixer" in a terminal emulator and change the levels there? |
| 15:34.02 | golinux | Try synaptic |
| 15:34.05 | mystified | yes |
| 15:34.20 | golinux | Search there for pulseaudio |
| 15:34.42 | KatolaZ | dpkg -l | grep -i pulse |
| 15:34.45 | Hestben | mystified: And all levels looked fine, were there only one sound card (switch with F6) |
| 15:34.48 | mystified | Yes ver 5.0.13 |
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| 15:34.53 | KatolaZ | k |
| 15:34.54 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 15:35.10 | KatolaZ | get rid of it, and see whether *it* is the issue |
| 15:35.11 | golinux | Finally. |
| 15:35.28 | golinux | *IT" is a PITA |
| 15:36.08 | golinux | Or fiddle with the settings as I suggested before. I've never used it so can't help there. |
| 15:36.40 | mystified | r u saying to remove pulseaudio ? |
| 15:36.53 | KatolaZ | apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio |
| 15:38.28 | mystified | done should I log out & log in |
| 15:38.39 | KatolaZ | no |
| 15:38.42 | mystified | k |
| 15:38.50 | KatolaZ | this is not windows mystified :D |
| 15:39.00 | mystified | :) |
| 15:39.01 | KatolaZ | just run alsamixer |
| 15:39.09 | mystified | thnk God for that ! |
| 15:39.19 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 15:40.27 | mystified | master in red so that must meen muted |
| 15:41.02 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 15:41.14 | KatolaZ | and it should have been accessible from alsamixer before as well |
| 15:41.20 | KatolaZ | through F6 |
| 15:41.30 | KatolaZ | do you hear anything now? |
| 15:42.14 | Hestben | hmm, no "MM" in the box between the level means muted |
| 15:42.29 | Hestben | Master in red means, that is the control selected |
| 15:43.16 | Hestben | Then, the values above it is the % set. And the meter displays the level as well. |
| 15:43.23 | KatolaZ | yep Hestben |
| 15:43.28 | golinux | need to choose between soundcards first |
| 15:43.47 | golinux | mystified: Have you done that? |
| 15:44.14 | mystified | yes |
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| 15:44.23 | mystified | every thing at 100 |
| 15:44.31 | KatolaZ | mystified: is anything muted? |
| 15:44.48 | KatolaZ | (you should see "MM" right below the level for muted ones) |
| 15:44.57 | KatolaZ | (sorry if this is too stupid, as a comment) |
| 15:45.32 | mystified | yes |
| 15:45.48 | KatolaZ | yes means that something is muted? |
| 15:45.51 | mystified | only things like mic's are muted |
| 15:45.52 | golinux | First use F5 to see all the available options. Default view hides some. |
| 15:46.01 | KatolaZ | mystified: ok |
| 15:46.22 | mystified | Yes |
| 15:46.30 | golinux | Use right arrow to scroll through all the options. |
| 15:47.34 | KatolaZ | mystified: if you see all those levels and stuff, your driver was correctly identified and loaded |
| 15:47.51 | KatolaZ | so you *should* be able to hear *something* |
| 15:48.07 | KatolaZ | is whispering in darwish.... |
| 15:48.16 | KatolaZ | ~dwarwish... |
| 15:48.41 | mystified | auto mute enabled |
| 15:49.06 | KatolaZ | where?!? |
| 15:50.21 | mystified | alsa mixer |
| 15:50.25 | mystified | I disabled |
| 15:50.37 | mystified | sttill made no difference |
| 15:50.48 | KatolaZ | mystified: what did you disable?!? |
| 15:51.00 | mystified | tried 3 videos still noe sound |
| 15:51.18 | KatolaZ | ok mystified, let's start from scratch, shall we? |
| 15:51.24 | mystified | Though I try & see if made a diff |
| 15:51.27 | Hestben | mystified: which program are you using? Double check so that sound is not muted there |
| 15:51.48 | golinux | I'd start with system sound |
| 15:51.49 | mystified | I have only videos & using vlc |
| 15:52.16 | KatolaZ | mystified: it might well be that vlc does not have the right audio plugin... |
| 15:52.19 | golinux | Have you selected pulseaudio in the sound settings in vlc? |
| 15:52.25 | KatolaZ | you should try something "simple" first |
| 15:52.27 | golinux | I had to do that. |
| 15:52.40 | KatolaZ | e.g., the beep |
| 15:52.58 | mystified | vlc built in analogue ticked |
| 15:53.12 | KatolaZ | mystified: echo -e "\a" |
| 15:54.02 | mystified | blank line then root prompt |
| 15:54.20 | KatolaZ | back to alsamixer then |
| 15:54.24 | Hestben | KatolaZ: I get no sound from that command. Maybe I have disabled alarm bells? |
| 15:54.26 | mystified | same in user prompt |
| 15:54.41 | KatolaZ | Hestben: you might ave the corresponding level muted in alsamixer |
| 15:54.49 | KatolaZ | mine is always muted |
| 15:54.52 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 15:57.04 | golinux | I have "analogue default audio device" ticked |
| 15:57.30 | golinux | I hear no system sounds on my desktop |
| 15:57.41 | Hestben | KatolaZ: I see, I found a "Beep" channel that was muted, yes. |
| 15:57.46 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 15:58.02 | mystified | yes analogue ticked |
| 15:58.26 | Hestben | mystified: I also had a "Auto-Mute Mode" enabled, but I have sound from my card |
| 15:59.00 | Hestben | mystified: Are you using built in speakers, or headphones? |
| 16:00.26 | KatolaZ | (I don'e have any auto-mute mode... I actually don't know how an auto-mute mode should look like...) |
| 16:00.38 | mystified | external speaker.. works fine on Trueos & all other linux |
| 16:00.50 | mystified | Just installed smplayer. |
| 16:00.54 | mystified | same issue |
| 16:01.19 | Hestben | mystified: strange |
| 16:01.21 | mystified | checked output driver set "Pulse" |
| 16:01.36 | Hestben | mystified: I'm off, I guess the others here should be able to sort it out. |
| 16:01.56 | mystified | Thx Hestben |
| 16:02.25 | KatolaZ | mystified: if you don't solve the echo -e "\a" problem, you are still at square 1 |
| 16:02.50 | KatolaZ | installing other software at random will not solve your issues |
| 16:03.31 | mystified | just thought it might have to do with maybe something missing in vlc |
| 16:03.56 | golinux | I had to use an .asoundrc file to get my audio working |
| 16:04.38 | KatolaZ | mystified: echo -e "\a" |
| 16:04.50 | KatolaZ | solve this first |
| 16:05.14 | mystified | exit |
| 16:05.21 | golinux | Just for kicks try this in ~.asoundrc |
| 16:05.28 | golinux | defaults.ctl.card 1 |
| 16:05.28 | golinux | defaults.pcm.card 1 |
| 16:05.28 | golinux | defaults.timer.card 1 |
| 16:05.35 | KatolaZ | mystified: are you trying as root or as normal user? |
| 16:05.39 | primalz | this forum thread about dns servers is just boggling |
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| 16:06.11 | golinux | primalz: Yes, ubergeeks coming out of the woodwork |
| 16:06.28 | primalz | would think people either use dhcp or know what dns servers they want |
| 16:06.29 | mystified | echo -e "\a" still blank line |
| 16:06.36 | KatolaZ | primalz: exactly |
| 16:06.38 | primalz | i choose fuschia for this bikeshed |
| 16:06.43 | KatolaZ | mystified: are you trying as root or as normal user? |
| 16:06.43 | mystified | ~.asoundrc |
| 16:06.43 | mystified | bash: ~.asoundrc: command not found |
| 16:06.56 | mystified | @Kat both |
| 16:07.02 | KatolaZ | wrong |
| 16:07.05 | KatolaZ | step by step |
| 16:07.18 | KatolaZ | randomness is the enemy of troubleshooting |
| 16:07.19 | mystified | user or root |
| 16:07.24 | KatolaZ | you decide |
| 16:07.27 | KatolaZ | but stick with it |
| 16:07.34 | mystified | im at user |
| 16:07.36 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:07.45 | KatolaZ | is your user in the group "audio"? |
| 16:07.50 | KatolaZ | $ groups |
| 16:07.52 | golinux | It doesn't wotk here either but I have all those sounds muted with xset b off at start up |
| 16:08.15 | golinux | KatolaZ: Now there's a thought! |
| 16:08.18 | mystified | drom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner debian-tor |
| 16:08.25 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:08.41 | KatolaZ | so your user shoud be able to access snd devices |
| 16:08.57 | mystified | Y |
| 16:09.10 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:09.19 | KatolaZ | now please run alsamixer from user |
| 16:09.22 | golinux | mystified: Just create that file and put it in your user directory |
| 16:09.28 | KatolaZ | wait golinux |
| 16:09.37 | KatolaZ | first understand what is the problem, then act ;) |
| 16:09.43 | mystified | opend |
| 16:09.52 | KatolaZ | .asoundrc is good when you know what conf you want |
| 16:10.00 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 16:10.15 | KatolaZ | he might have a different set of availavle levels/devices than yours |
| 16:10.25 | KatolaZ | and putting a .asoundrc will complicate things even more.... |
| 16:10.58 | golinux | If it doesn't work he can delete it. |
| 16:11.24 | KatolaZ | ...or he might just forget it, since it is invisible by default... :) |
| 16:11.43 | mystified | ? f2 for sys info |
| 16:11.50 | KatolaZ | wait mystified |
| 16:11.57 | mystified | k |
| 16:11.58 | KatolaZ | r u running alsamixer? |
| 16:12.01 | KatolaZ | from user? |
| 16:12.14 | mystified | y |
| 16:12.19 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:12.26 | KatolaZ | F6 now |
| 16:12.40 | KatolaZ | and you should see a menu that says "Sound card" |
| 16:12.48 | mystified | y |
| 16:12.55 | KatolaZ | what do you see? |
| 16:13.08 | mystified | 0 intel |
| 16:13.15 | mystified | 1 nvidia |
| 16:13.18 | KatolaZ | anything else? |
| 16:13.32 | mystified | - (default) |
| 16:13.43 | mystified | enter device name |
| 16:13.43 | KatolaZ | have you removed pulseaudio? |
| 16:13.52 | mystified | yes |
| 16:13.56 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:14.05 | KatolaZ | now select "0 Intel" |
| 16:14.21 | KatolaZ | and then F3 |
| 16:14.25 | mystified | y |
| 16:14.47 | KatolaZ | the leftmost level should be "Master" |
| 16:15.11 | mystified | nothing happens with f3 |
| 16:15.16 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:15.24 | KatolaZ | and then you should have something like "Headphone" "Speaker"....etc. |
| 16:15.54 | golinux | Try F5 |
| 16:15.56 | mystified | y |
| 16:15.58 | KatolaZ | wait golinux |
| 16:16.07 | KatolaZ | mystified: is master muted? |
| 16:16.30 | mystified | no on 96 |
| 16:16.36 | KatolaZ | you can tell by the presence/absence of a "MM" above the number |
| 16:16.41 | KatolaZ | the number does not count |
| 16:16.53 | KatolaZ | you see whether it is muted if there is a "MM" ABOVE the number |
| 16:16.54 | mystified | 00 on bottom of graph for master |
| 16:17.08 | KatolaZ | ook |
| 16:17.13 | KatolaZ | so it's not muted |
| 16:17.15 | KatolaZ | now press "m" |
| 16:17.35 | mystified | muted |
| 16:17.37 | KatolaZ | you should see that master "mutes" and "MM" replaces "OO" |
| 16:17.38 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:17.51 | KatolaZ | what about the other levels? |
| 16:17.53 | mystified | y |
| 16:17.55 | KatolaZ | is any of them muted? |
| 16:18.58 | mystified | Frnt Mi muted so |
| 16:19.28 | mystified | lfe muted |
| 16:19.39 | KatolaZ | this might be "Front Mixer" or something like that |
| 16:19.44 | KatolaZ | now Unmute all |
| 16:19.55 | KatolaZ | all of them |
| 16:21.02 | mystified | done |
| 16:21.04 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:21.08 | KatolaZ | now "ESC" |
| 16:21.21 | mystified | y |
| 16:21.23 | KatolaZ | and you should be back at the prompt |
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| 16:21.31 | mystified | y |
| 16:21.31 | KatolaZ | $ echo -e "\a" |
| 16:21.56 | mystified | same |
| 16:22.00 | mystified | blank line |
| 16:22.04 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:22.07 | KatolaZ | alsamixer |
| 16:22.07 | mystified | then user prompt |
| 16:22.14 | KatolaZ | back to alsamixer |
| 16:22.22 | KatolaZ | F6 |
| 16:22.28 | KatolaZ | and select "0 Intel" |
| 16:22.36 | mystified | hang 5 |
| 16:22.42 | mystified | master muted |
| 16:22.47 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 16:22.52 | KatolaZ | how comes? |
| 16:22.55 | KatolaZ | unmute it, please |
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| 16:23.03 | mystified | now unmuted & have sound |
| 16:23.07 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 16:23.09 | mystified | :))))))))) |
| 16:23.10 | KatolaZ | damn |
| 16:23.16 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 16:23.18 | KatolaZ | good |
| 16:23.26 | mystified | Thank you so much |
| 16:23.31 | golinux | Congrats! |
| 16:23.33 | KatolaZ | you are welcome |
| 16:23.51 | mystified | No .. you guys are so Gr8!!!!!! |
| 16:23.55 | KatolaZ | now go and install all the media software you want |
| 16:24.06 | mystified | LOL |
| 16:24.07 | golinux | vlc is working now? |
| 16:24.13 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 16:24.18 | KatolaZ | I bet it is, golinux ;) |
| 16:24.19 | mystified | Don't need anthing else |
| 16:24.43 | KatolaZ | don't need anything ALSA ;) |
| 16:24.48 | golinux | I had a terrible time with the chip on my board. |
| 16:25.08 | mystified | ah no |
| 16:25.11 | KatolaZ | no worries, golinux: your chip is working now! |
| 16:25.13 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 16:25.22 | mystified | sm player yes |
| 16:25.31 | KatolaZ | how cool! |
| 16:25.45 | KatolaZ | try vlc with the previous stuff, just to check |
| 16:25.50 | KatolaZ | but it should be ok now |
| 16:26.24 | golinux | Here's my tale of woe: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=117835 |
| 16:27.27 | golinux | And getting it to work on my old videocam required even more in the .asoundrc |
| 16:27.59 | mystified | working |
| 16:28.43 | KatolaZ | mystified: great! |
| 16:28.53 | mystified | will read link |
| 16:29.25 | mystified | Kudos to all who helped ! |
| 16:29.44 | golinux | Another happy Devuan user is our reward! |
| 16:29.45 | KatolaZ | HH mystified |
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| 16:33.11 | mystified | Very happy customer.. No more sys d |
| 16:33.28 | mystified | Very happy customer.. No more sysD distros. |
| 16:34.38 | mystified | Hey where can I find a cheat sheet for Sysv . I'd like to check out the status & check to see if there are any errors. |
| 16:35.18 | mystified | That is, re Sys V & the boot process |
| 16:35.49 | mystified | In Sys D regardless of what Pc I used there where always errors. |
| 16:36.10 | mystified | boot time was never less then 2/12 mins |
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| 16:38.28 | KatolaZ | mystified: what kind of errors? |
| 16:38.44 | KatolaZ | why there should be errors at boot? |
| 16:40.00 | mystified | there probably isn't |
| 16:40.35 | mystified | But i'm wondering if there is anything like rc-status like in open rc |
| 16:41.20 | mystified | Just to check the state of the boot process in SysV |
| 16:43.23 | mystified | Its 3:41 am. I need to crash. Thanks again KatolaZ & golinux. |
| 16:43.41 | mystified | see u in about 12 hrs again. |
| 16:44.07 | KatolaZ | see you mystified |
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| 18:03.31 | Digit | what would be the smallest bootable devuan core system available for download and at all? how small is it? |
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| 18:07.51 | golinux | Digit: You might look here: Minimal live http://kalos.mine.nu |
| 18:08.57 | Digit | "a peculiar fixation with small GNU/Linux distros". oh yes. :) this seems like the right place. :) thnx golinux |
| 18:09.57 | KatolaZ | Digit: if you are not in a hurry |
| 18:10.08 | KatolaZ | I am going to release an update on that minimal live |
| 18:10.23 | KatolaZ | within a couple of days, at the latest |
| 18:12.22 | KatolaZ | Digit: there is nothing wrong in the current images though |
| 18:12.42 | KatolaZ | Digit: but the updated images will be dist-upgraded |
| 18:12.59 | KatolaZ | Digit: and include setnet for network configuration (http://kalos.mine.nu/setnet) |
| 18:13.22 | KatolaZ | (but I am going to release an update on setnet as well, hopefully tonight) |
| 18:14.35 | Digit | well, while swiftly enthused enough to already be downloading 32&64bit versions, i'm in no hurry. :) looking forward to seeing the new releases too. i notice mention of partially tested installation using refracta installer. is refracta still the route used in this release, and is it working/testing well? thnx KatolaZ |
| 18:15.29 | KatolaZ | Digit: I have not worked on the installer of the minimal live recently |
| 18:15.38 | KatolaZ | I provided refractainstaller just for the sake |
| 18:15.58 | KatolaZ | my plan is to put together a brand-new installer for the minimal live, yes |
| 18:16.10 | KatolaZ | but I don'w know when it will come, if ever :D |
| 18:16.32 | KatolaZ | a toll to set networking was more necessary than an installer, since it is a live |
| 18:17.05 | KatolaZ | (the new release will include also a couple more packages for personal productivity, all cli and curses stuff, naturally ;)) |
| 18:18.22 | Digit | KatolaZ: i might give that refracta installer and refracta respin toolset a test run on your next release. a feature of respin own configuration is of interest to me. esp from a smaller (but still useable) core. |
| 18:18.55 | Digit | KatolaZ: i like the "what you get" list. :) |
| 18:20.34 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 18:20.51 | KatolaZ | ok, but I am not part of the refracta team |
| 18:21.13 | KatolaZ | so any bug in refractainstaller should be filed to them (i.e., fsmithred) |
| 18:21.28 | KatolaZ | I have tested refractainstaller on a couplr of configurations, and it worked fine |
| 18:21.31 | Digit | ok. noted. :) |
| 18:21.43 | KatolaZ | I know that there are issues with GPT |
| 18:22.17 | Digit | ah. that, i may have bumped into with other vbox test runs of other devuan spins. |
| 18:22.49 | golinux | KatolaZ: I though the problem was uefi? |
| 18:24.00 | KatolaZ | golinux: dunno |
| 18:24.03 | KatolaZ | don't remember |
| 18:24.07 | KatolaZ | there were problems :D |
| 18:24.29 | golinux | Digit: For reference: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/ |
| 18:24.53 | golinux | I know that fsmithred has about 15 gpt partitions! |
| 18:25.10 | KatolaZ | Digit: but again, the devuan minimal live is only my fault, not refracta's |
| 18:25.16 | KatolaZ | so I am to be blamed for that |
| 18:25.34 | KatolaZ | the refracta team has done a very nice job on the full (graphical) live |
| 18:25.59 | golinux | There are just too many good options out there. Hard to sort them out. :) |
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| 20:00.05 | jnylen0 | Hi :) I'm running Devuan 1.0.0 beta2 on my XPS 15 and having issues with suspend+resume (screen does not wake up on resume, but machine is available via SSH). |
| 20:00.25 | jnylen0 | I think a good next step would be to upgrade to a more recent kernel version. I assume I'll have to build it myself. Is there a guide somewhere on how to do this? |
| 20:00.44 | jnylen0 | What else can I do to troubleshoot? |
| 20:03.23 | jnylen0 | I've seen the hacks floating around online using `intel_reg_read` and `intel_reg_write` to save/restore a missing register related to screen brightness. Not working for me. |
| 20:03.40 | KatolaZ | jnylen0: wait |
| 20:03.52 | KatolaZ | are you sure that your screen is not just dimmed down to minimum? |
| 20:04.11 | jnylen0 | Well, it's definitely not dimmed when I suspend. |
| 20:04.15 | jnylen0 | Backlight is totally off. |
| 20:04.18 | jnylen0 | (on resume). |
| 20:04.28 | KatolaZ | this does not mea much |
| 20:04.30 | KatolaZ | ~mean |
| 20:04.30 | infobot | mean is probably I |
| 20:04.45 | jnylen0 | Keyboard brightness keys have no effect, and I expected to see a /sys/class/backlight/* but there's not one. |
| 20:04.52 | KatolaZ | in my case, backlight is totally off when brightness is to the minimum |
| 20:05.00 | jnylen0 | Okay. How do I modify that via CLI? |
| 20:05.10 | KatolaZ | 1 sec |
| 20:05.39 | KatolaZ | which laptop do you have? |
| 20:05.50 | golinux | XPS 15 |
| 20:06.18 | KatolaZ | that it.... |
| 20:06.23 | KatolaZ | that is.... |
| 20:06.25 | KatolaZ | what? |
| 20:06.27 | KatolaZ | lenovo? |
| 20:06.28 | KatolaZ | dell? |
| 20:06.29 | KatolaZ | HP? |
| 20:06.32 | KatolaZ | ASUS? |
| 20:06.42 | KatolaZ | (I am not a laptop vendor...:D) |
| 20:06.50 | jnylen0 | Dell XPS 15 9550 |
| 20:06.56 | golinux | That's the only info given |
| 20:06.58 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 20:07.33 | jnylen0 | Happy to give more info, and happy to learn more about what is going on. I know it's all open source but wouldn't know where to start looking really. |
| 20:07.47 | KatolaZ | ok jnylen0 let's give it a try |
| 20:08.06 | KatolaZ | has brightness ever worked with other distros? |
| 20:08.27 | jnylen0 | Brightness itself works fine. It's just the suspend/resume that doesn't. |
| 20:08.33 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 20:08.49 | jnylen0 | I can try suspending from an ubuntu livecd when I get home, but I'm not infront of that machine right now. |
| 20:09.03 | KatolaZ | and has suspend worked normally in other distros? |
| 20:09.12 | jnylen0 | Good question - I haven't tried. |
| 20:09.27 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 20:09.34 | KatolaZ | sorry for the silly question now |
| 20:09.53 | KatolaZ | what is your knowledge of acpi/events? |
| 20:09.55 | jnylen0 | Np, you've already asked one thing that I probably should have tried already ;) |
| 20:09.59 | jnylen0 | Not much. |
| 20:10.04 | KatolaZ | (sorry if the question is too silly) |
| 20:10.06 | KatolaZ | ok |
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| 20:10.20 | KatolaZ | do you know which is the event handler for your suspend button? |
| 20:10.25 | jnylen0 | No idea. |
| 20:10.47 | jnylen0 | I get the same result from xfce suspend and from `sudo pm-suspend`, if that helps any. |
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| 20:11.34 | KatolaZ | what is the signal handler for the brightness buttons? |
| 20:11.39 | KatolaZ | (if you know that) |
| 20:11.44 | jnylen0 | I don't. How do I find that out? |
| 20:13.52 | KatolaZ | must go to dinner |
| 20:13.57 | KatolaZ | sorry jnylen0 |
| 20:14.00 | KatolaZ | I will be back later |
| 20:14.12 | KatolaZ | I am sure we will find a way out ;) |
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| 20:14.39 | jnylen0 | No worries. I'll be in front of the machine again later, will try a livecd and google some more stuff. Thanks for discussing :) |
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| 21:37.14 | ryanpcmcquen | Hello! Does Devuan plan to pursue FSF endorsement? |
| 21:38.10 | markizano | FSF ? |
| 21:38.54 | ryanpcmcquen | fsf.org |
| 21:39.01 | ryanpcmcquen | The Free Software Foundation. |
| 21:40.05 | Lydia_K | I don't think anyone has ever brought it up. |
| 21:40.27 | parazyd | it's not free software |
| 21:41.01 | ryanpcmcquen | Because of the nonfree repo? |
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| 21:44.57 | parazyd | ryanpcmcquen: yes |
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| 21:45.35 | Centurion_Dan | ryanpcmcquen: not for Devuan, but we will either also produce a fully FSF endorsed derivative or collaborate with a project like gnuinos to do provide one. |
| 21:45.40 | parazyd | https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html |
| 21:50.00 | ryanpcmcquen | Centurion_Dan: that is fantastic! |
| 21:50.10 | ryanpcmcquen | I will be your first user. |
| 21:50.21 | ryanpcmcquen | Or at least a very happy user. :^) |
| 22:00.04 | KatolaZ | ryanpcmcquen: if you use only the main repo and linux-libre, you will still be ensured that only free software is installed in your system |
| 22:00.21 | KatolaZ | (vrms might help, anyway) |
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| 22:09.16 | ryanpcmcquen | That's what I'm thinking. Until GNUinos gets more stable. |
| 22:23.19 | ryanpcmcquen | KatolaZ: What's the main difference between linux-libre and the kernel that ships with Devuan? Doesn't it already have all the binary blobs removed? |
| 22:24.16 | fsmithred | devuan uses the debian kernel unchanged |
| 22:25.52 | ryanpcmcquen | Nothing has to be recompiled for systemd? |
| 22:27.25 | fsmithred | not the kernel |
| 22:27.31 | ryanpcmcquen | That's nice. |
| 22:27.57 | fsmithred | pretty sure Linus would not let the kernel be dependent on systemd |
| 22:29.13 | fsmithred | there's a list of packages that were recompiled to remove systemd dependency at devuan.org |
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| 22:36.29 | ryanpcmcquen | I'm glad Linus is wary of systemd. :^) |
| 22:36.48 | parazyd | torvalds uses systemd |
| 22:37.20 | ryanpcmcquen | Sure, but that doesn't mean he likes it. |
| 22:37.29 | ryanpcmcquen | He takes any chance he can get to make fun of it. |
| 22:37.37 | parazyd | hehe |
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