| 00:00.09 | fsmithred | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 00:00.09 | fsmithred | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:00.15 | fsmithred | IS THAT CORRECT? |
| 00:00.33 | aitor | are you with vdev now |
| 00:00.40 | fsmithred | yes |
| 00:00.56 | aitor | then you don't need libvdev any more |
| 00:01.29 | aitor | it's a wildcard |
| 00:02.43 | aitor | a wildcard for solving dependencies while changing from udev to vdev, and vice versa |
| 00:02.45 | fsmithred | removing that is not one of the choices that aptitude gives me |
| 00:03.36 | fsmithred | so if I remove it, can I still switch between the *devs? |
| 00:03.43 | aitor | using vdev-assistant it will be removed automatically after installing vdev |
| 00:04.04 | aitor | yes, installing it again |
| 00:05.11 | aitor | fsmithred: 01:10 here, late for me... |
| 00:05.23 | fsmithred | ok |
| 00:05.57 | aitor | see you tomorrow :) |
| 00:06.04 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 00:06.07 | fsmithred | sleep well |
| 00:06.16 | aitor | :) |
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| 00:48.31 | blade__ | hello |
| 00:48.42 | blade__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.50 | blade__ | is #devuan happy? |
| 00:49.01 | blade__ | putin likes "traditional" things |
| 00:49.18 | blade__ | like system 4 |
| 00:49.26 | blade__ | what is your take #devuan! |
| 00:49.43 | blade__ | if you mention the name trump or systemd you get banned from #debian |
| 00:49.51 | blade__ | or putin, for that matter |
| 01:04.00 | fsmithred | this channel is for discussion of devuan, not politics |
| 01:04.09 | fsmithred | afk |
| 01:04.19 | blade__ | fsmithred: but putin kills your enemies |
| 01:04.35 | blade__ | he sends assassins and they are murdered in the street for all to see |
| 01:06.36 | blade__ | 20:17 < blade__> stoned: TRUMP FUCKING WON |
| 01:06.36 | blade__ | 20:17 < stoned> Usually I always ran sid chroot and used the apps there |
| 01:06.36 | blade__ | 20:17 < blade__> You hear that systemd-debian |
| 01:06.36 | blade__ | 20:17 < stoned> but I ownder now they have those containers and all that |
| 01:06.36 | blade__ | 20:17 < blade__> your faggot cuck lennit is on the OUTS |
| 01:06.38 | blade__ | 20:17 < blade__> Trump and Putin control your fate now |
| 01:06.41 | blade__ | 20:17 -!- zuiss1 [~zuiss1@unaffiliated/zuiss1] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] |
| 01:06.44 | blade__ | 20:17 < altker128> No ops around? |
| 01:06.46 | blade__ | 20:17 < TomTomTo1> !ops noise |
| 01:06.49 | blade__ | 20:17 < dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, |
| 01:06.52 | blade__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.55 | blade__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:06.57 | blade__ | 20:17 -!- mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ |
| 01:07.00 | blade__ | 20:17 -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@148.76.35.89] by themill |
| 01:07.03 | blade__ | 20:17 < blade__> and they do not like faccot feminist loving bitches who are against |
| 01:07.06 | blade__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.08 | blade__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:07.11 | blade__ | why was I banned from #debian??? |
| 01:15.39 | rue_house | furrywolf, hey... |
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| 02:08.24 | furrywolf | heyas |
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| 02:14.33 | rue_house | life! |
| 02:15.32 | furrywolf | just got home... drive 450 miles today. |
| 02:15.38 | furrywolf | drove |
| 02:16.15 | rue_house | should we not clutter the channel with my non-devuan related banter? |
| 02:16.26 | rue_house | seeing its such a BUSY channel and all... |
| 02:16.27 | furrywolf | I often do, but it makes certain people unhappy. |
| 02:17.06 | rue_house | I'm working on a toy, and need your help, |
| 02:17.47 | furrywolf | oh? normally no one ever needs me, since I'm not good at much. heh. |
| 02:18.09 | rue_house | the encoder generator, there is a rounding error it seems |
| 02:18.49 | rue_house | gets a compressor, |
| 02:18.53 | furrywolf | oh? I haven't touched that in many years. what is the error? |
| 02:18.54 | rue_house | you feeling depressed? |
| 02:19.08 | rue_house | two things seem to agravate it |
| 02:19.21 | rue_house | numbers that dont divide 360 nicely |
| 02:19.41 | rue_house | and for some reason, adding the index channel causes it to pucker up |
| 02:19.44 | furrywolf | it was a quick hack... it may have bugs. :) |
| 02:19.59 | rue_house | hahaha |
| 02:20.15 | rue_house | and I thought I got a backup of the source from you, but cant find it |
| 02:20.20 | furrywolf | url of a broken one? |
| 02:20.21 | rue_house | seems I didn't file it under backups |
| 02:21.10 | rue_house | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/encoder/encoderwheel.php?steps=22&bits=2&inr=150&bitr=40&spcr=5&mkmask=1&maskf=25&maskbf=75&msteps=2&masteps=2&moffset=1 |
| 02:21.25 | rue_house | check out the funkey slice on the right |
| 02:21.43 | rue_house | I thknk its a integer/float mixing error |
| 02:22.38 | rue_house | it has that kinda signature |
| 02:25.47 | furrywolf | I think the small segment is user error. flaking when drawing the index track is a bug, however. |
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| 02:26.37 | rue_house | what combination broke the segment length? |
| 02:26.53 | furrywolf | if you want all your segments to be regular, the number of steps needs to be a factor of 2^bits. try 20 or 24 instead of 22. :) |
| 02:27.23 | furrywolf | 24 draws a nice neat evenly spaced wheel |
| 02:27.28 | rue_house | ah, its not just divided off 360 degrees |
| 02:27.38 | furrywolf | it's doing exactly what you ask it to do... you're just asking it to do something stupid. :P |
| 02:27.44 | rue_house | its the first time I'v ever tried to do a funkey number |
| 02:28.08 | furrywolf | so does 20 |
| 02:28.26 | rue_house | fair enough then |
| 02:29.14 | rue_house | there isn't a combo of mask parameters that puts one channel hole on one side and the other channel hole on the other side eh? I thought it could do that |
| 02:29.59 | furrywolf | if you select 2 bits, it generates a 2-bit grey code, starting from the index point, and incrementing it for each step around the wheel, wrapping as needed. it ends wherever it runs out of steps, even if that's not also where the grey code wraps. |
| 02:30.40 | rue_house | oooh duh... |
| 02:30.41 | furrywolf | that's the "only draw one slot per group" checkbox |
| 02:31.39 | rue_house | :) well glad to know your still alive and online then |
| 02:31.56 | furrywolf | there is definitely, however, a bug with the index track |
| 02:34.04 | rue_house | I didn't understand how its crossing up the count tracks |
| 02:35.01 | furrywolf | fixed |
| 02:35.11 | furrywolf | what do you mean? |
| 02:35.17 | rue_house | what was it? |
| 02:35.18 | furrywolf | heh, I last edited it in 2005. :) |
| 02:35.29 | rue_house | :) see I'm keeping thigs stirred up |
| 02:35.47 | furrywolf | it was drawing the index bit in every track, not just the index one, due to a missing conditional to make sure it was actually drawing the index track. :) |
| 02:35.57 | rue_house | hehe |
| 02:36.10 | rue_house | one thing tho |
| 02:36.17 | rue_house | no mask hole for it :) |
| 02:36.27 | furrywolf | god this is some ugly code. lol |
| 02:36.33 | rue_house | hahah |
| 02:36.42 | rue_house | your just that much better now |
| 02:37.05 | rue_house | so, you've been coding over the last 12 years, anything else good? |
| 02:37.16 | furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/encoder/encoderwheel.php?steps=24&bits=2&inr=150&bitr=40&spcr=0&guides=1&dblgds=1&bandgds=1&index=1&mkmask=1&maskf=25&maskbf=50&msteps=3&masteps=3&moffset=1&monehole=1 |
| 02:37.35 | furrywolf | you have to tell it to draw 3 photodiode slots, not the default 2, if you add an index. :P |
| 02:37.43 | furrywolf | it's a quick hack. it does very little for you. :P |
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| 02:38.29 | furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/encoder/encoderwheel.php?steps=24&bits=2&inr=150&bitr=40&spcr=0&guides=1&dblgds=1&bandgds=1&index=1&mkmask=1&maskf=25&maskbf=50&msteps=3&masteps=3&monehole=1 , actually. no need for the 1/2 bit shift with grey code |
| 02:38.34 | rue_house | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/encoder/encoderwheel.php?steps=24&bits=2&inr=150&bitr=40&spcr=5&binary=1&inlsb=1&guides=1&dblgds=1&bandgds=1&index=1&mkmask=1&maskf=25&maskbf=75&msteps=2&masteps=2&moffset=1&monehole=1 |
| 02:38.36 | rue_house | what the deuce? |
| 02:38.54 | rue_house | ooh |
| 02:39.22 | rue_house | no, I'm still missing a track... |
| 02:40.14 | rue_house | aaah |
| 02:40.38 | rue_house | the one slot per group kills the outter track... :) |
| 02:41.47 | furrywolf | <furrywolf> you have to tell it to draw 3 photodiode slots, not the default 2, if you add an index. :P |
| 02:41.48 | rue_house | this could be a sharpie correction |
| 02:41.57 | furrywolf | just added a note to the html about that |
| 02:42.26 | rue_house | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/encoder/encoderwheel.php?steps=32&bits=2&inr=150&bitr=40&spcr=5&inlsb=1&guides=1&dblgds=1&bandgds=1&index=1&mkmask=1&maskf=25&maskbf=75&msteps=2&masteps=3&moffset=1&monehole=1 |
| 02:42.30 | rue_house | am I being an idiot |
| 02:42.45 | furrywolf | also, don't use the regular binary option unless you really, really know what you're doing. there's a reason grey code is the default. |
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| 02:43.13 | rue_house | yea I didn't mean to make it binary |
| 02:43.51 | furrywolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/encoder/encoderwheel.php?steps=32&bits=2&inr=150&bitr=40&spcr=5&inlsb=1&guides=1&dblgds=1&bandgds=1&index=1&mkmask=1&maskf=25&maskbf=75&msteps=3&masteps=3&moffset=0&monehole=1 |
| 02:44.17 | rue_house | aha, 3 & 3 ok |
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| 02:44.25 | furrywolf | change them both to three, not just one. and you don't want the offset for non-quadrature wheels |
| 02:45.00 | furrywolf | hrmm, that breaks other things, though. |
| 02:45.05 | furrywolf | there is another bug there. can you spot it? :P |
| 02:45.28 | rue_house | 360/3 != 90? |
| 02:45.32 | rue_house | :) |
| 02:45.46 | furrywolf | actually, I think it will still work correctly, it's just ugly. |
| 02:45.58 | rue_house | looks fine to me |
| 02:45.58 | furrywolf | http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/encoder/encoderwheel.php?steps=32&bits=2&inr=150&bitr=40&spcr=5&inlsb=1&guides=1&dblgds=1&bandgds=1&index=1&mkmask=1&maskf=25&maskbf=75&msteps=4&masteps=3&moffset=0&monehole=1 if you make it space them differently, then they line up with the mask. |
| 02:47.52 | rue_house | hmm |
| 02:48.17 | furrywolf | I figured the store might be broken... I haven't gotten any money from them in years. |
| 02:48.27 | rue_house | just need to mix it with a 3d printed enclosure now |
| 02:48.39 | Centurion_Dan | furrywolf, ruehouse - perhaps taking it to debianfork or pm might be a good idea.. this channel is archived for posterity... |
| 02:48.54 | rue_house | there, see agravated someone, call it! |
| 02:49.09 | furrywolf | lol |
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| 02:49.22 | Centurion_Dan | not agravated, just a friendly nudge ;-) |
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| 03:47.55 | Xenguy | .o( The chatter around 21:06 seemed to resemble an alt-right provocateur ) |
| 03:48.39 | MinceR | it was also offtopic |
| 03:48.44 | Xenguy | for sure |
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| 11:04.59 | fsmithred | aitor? |
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| 11:30.07 | aitor | yes? |
| 11:30.48 | aitor | i've been working all the morning on vdev |
| 11:31.20 | aitor | i just uploaded the definitive packages, but i need to reboot for being 100% sure |
| 11:32.09 | aitor | i had problems with the overrides of the header of /etc/init.d/*dev |
| 11:32.15 | aitor | the is: |
| 11:33.07 | aitor | insserv/overrides |
| 11:33.19 | aitor | i fixed it |
| 11:33.42 | fsmithred | hi |
| 11:34.03 | aitor | if you already have vdev installed and you select vdev, it will be reinstalled |
| 11:34.09 | fsmithred | aitor, my upgrade went badly |
| 11:34.11 | aitor | but you need to do: |
| 11:34.40 | aitor | i just uploaded three minutes ago |
| 11:34.54 | fsmithred | need to boot the laptop and chroot into that installation to fix it |
| 11:35.28 | aitor | it's easier to reinstall only the roor partition |
| 11:35.34 | aitor | root |
| 11:35.51 | aitor | i tested the four possibilities: |
| 11:36.06 | aitor | from udev -> vdev |
| 11:36.14 | fsmithred | oh, I guess I could do that. Not sure how recent the latest live iso is. |
| 11:36.23 | aitor | udev ->udev (does nothing) |
| 11:36.30 | aitor | vdev->udev |
| 11:36.35 | aitor | vdev->vdev |
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| 12:05.20 | aitor | fsmithred: it works |
| 12:05.59 | aitor | i uploaded it only in i386, now i 'll build it in amd64 |
| 12:08.12 | aitor | the script removes udeb from the system, udev and vdev don't coexist |
| 12:08.23 | fsmithred | I'm back |
| 12:08.23 | aitor | udev, not udeb |
| 12:08.38 | aitor | hi, did you test it? |
| 12:08.42 | fsmithred | I managed to downgrade to the 1015 version, and it boots again |
| 12:08.44 | aitor | are you in amd64? |
| 12:08.49 | fsmithred | yes |
| 12:09.18 | aitor | ok, i'll reinstall the root partition in amd64 |
| 12:09.43 | fsmithred | I'll wait to upgrade |
| 12:10.02 | Centurion_Dan | aitor: is this all via maintainer-script (ie debian/postinst etc) or are you doing something else. |
| 12:11.04 | aitor | Centurion_Dan: did you download the sources? |
| 12:11.34 | aitor | Ralph's perspective is different: udev and vdev coexist |
| 12:11.47 | aitor | so, i neede to change his script |
| 12:12.30 | aitor | Centurion_Dan: most is via mantainer-script |
| 12:13.00 | aitor | but you can't use apt in debian/postinst, etc... because apt is blocked |
| 12:13.50 | aitor | so, i needed a foreign script, that is: vdev-assistant |
| 12:14.33 | aitor | you will not be able to change from udev to vdev, neither from vdev to udev, if you are not running this script |
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| 12:14.53 | fsmithred | when I upgraded last night (about 7 hours ago) I was left without libudev.so.1 and X would not start |
| 12:15.10 | aitor | yes, i know |
| 12:15.19 | fsmithred | ok |
| 12:15.59 | aitor | i also uploaded and removed the repository several times along the morning for my testing purposes |
| 12:16.11 | aitor | i didn't use a local repo, sorry for that |
| 12:16.34 | aitor | need to go, see you later |
| 12:28.57 | Centurion_Dan | aitor: why not? |
| 12:30.07 | fsmithred | he's gone |
| 12:30.15 | Centurion_Dan | You should set Provides, Breaks and Replaces in debian/control to |
| 12:30.21 | Centurion_Dan | grrr. |
| 12:30.31 | fsmithred | but he does read the scrollback |
| 12:30.36 | fsmithred | pretty sure |
| 12:30.49 | fsmithred | what did you want to tell me about rootskel? |
| 12:30.53 | Centurion_Dan | relying on another package to run a script to call apt is all wrong. |
| 12:31.46 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: I wanted to know what you needed changed in /etc/skeleton for the correct desktop setup. |
| 12:32.14 | fsmithred | what I ended up doing was copy ~/.config/xfce4 into /etc/skel |
| 12:32.30 | fsmithred | so that if a new user gets created, they get the desktop settings |
| 12:32.57 | fsmithred | I think maybe that stuff should be somewhere else, like /etc/xdg, but my experiment with that failed |
| 12:33.22 | fsmithred | I looked up rootskel, and it looks like that's for debian installer, which I don't use |
| 12:34.16 | fsmithred | brb |
| 12:34.24 | Centurion_Dan | it should be in desktop-base |
| 12:36.26 | Centurion_Dan | the path in desktop-base is profile/xdg/xfce4 |
| 12:37.01 | Centurion_Dan | but be careful your home setup will include a whole bunch of user specific stuff you don't want. |
| 12:37.58 | Centurion_Dan | If you let me know what specific issues there are and ideally identify the specific config options that we need to set I'll do that in desktop-base. |
| 12:38.01 | fsmithred | no desktop-base in refracta |
| 12:38.22 | Centurion_Dan | why not? |
| 12:38.33 | fsmithred | I couldn't find the user's home mentioned in ~/.config/xfce4 |
| 12:38.48 | fsmithred | the real reason? |
| 12:38.56 | fsmithred | to avoid the space fun theme |
| 12:38.58 | fsmithred | lol |
| 12:39.10 | fsmithred | I guess that's not an issue now |
| 12:39.49 | Centurion_Dan | well that's definitely not an issue now. The package should be easy to fork and tweak for refracta if you want a different theme. |
| 12:39.49 | fsmithred | if I install desktop-base, will I get the purpy theme as default? |
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| 12:40.20 | Centurion_Dan | yes, and it pulls in all the deps as well for the cursor and icons too. |
| 12:40.41 | fsmithred | oh, golinux would be delighted if I changed the icons |
| 12:41.28 | Centurion_Dan | I had a report from jaromil today that a clean build with desktop-base gave the correct result, but will confirm that with golinux. |
| 12:41.56 | fsmithred | cool |
| 12:42.02 | jaromil | confirming, it works also with a old installer with online mirrors |
| 12:42.22 | Centurion_Dan | there are probably still some loose ends there, but it's getting real close for sure. |
| 12:42.28 | jaromil | however we'll roll out a new installer today to try |
| 12:42.43 | fsmithred | so if I upgrade my devuan install that still has the leafy login page, will that change? |
| 12:42.44 | jaromil | Centurion_Dan: one visible thing to remove is the gnome option on tasksel |
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| 12:42.54 | Centurion_Dan | yes |
| 12:42.54 | jaromil | fsmithred: not sure about that |
| 12:43.05 | fsmithred | ok, I'll try it and let you know |
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| 12:43.43 | Centurion_Dan | desktop-base provides the themes for slim and slim only has it's default which you only get if desktop-base is not installed. |
| 12:45.34 | Centurion_Dan | leafy theme will be a test fork of desktop-base to prove the work I've done on that package is sufficient to do a clean theme switch. |
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| 12:48.19 | fsmithred | tzdata and tzdata-java could not be verified |
| 12:55.25 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: debians apt-key might have changed.... |
| 12:56.24 | fsmithred | it worked! I got the purpy theme. |
| 12:57.34 | fsmithred | cursor is right, but I got tango icons |
| 12:57.53 | fsmithred | not sure what icon set was used before the upgrade |
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| 12:59.17 | fsmithred | I can't test for the grub theme, because another installation is running the boot |
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| 13:16.55 | Centurion_Dan | Mate |
| 13:17.36 | Centurion_Dan | mate-icons is what you should need and should get on a new user. |
| 13:17.58 | Centurion_Dan | grub theme isn't currently working... |
| 13:18.38 | Centurion_Dan | gotta go, 2am and the wife just rung me to go to bed :-P |
| 13:18.47 | Centurion_Dan | BBL |
| 13:19.05 | fsmithred | g'night |
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| 14:25.57 | iio7 | I really wish Devuan would use a normal forum or a mailing list instead of this piece of crap talk.devuan.org! |
| 14:28.05 | jaromil | iio7: there is a mailinglist and a phpbb style forum as well |
| 14:28.17 | iio7 | Where is the forum? |
| 14:28.20 | jaromil | just pick your poison :P |
| 14:28.28 | jaromil | https://dev1galaxy.org |
| 14:28.59 | iio7 | Much better! |
| 14:30.22 | jaromil | imma mailinglist useer so cant tell |
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| 15:11.11 | pcg_b | can someone point me to a page where there are step by step instructions to set up a working debian install on a USB? I have this computer that I just bought, I'm having some set up issues on the live CD so I 'm not sure I want to actually write a copy to my hard drive yet. |
| 15:11.49 | joostvb | pcg_b: search for 'debian live' |
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| 15:12.05 | aitor | hi |
| 15:12.10 | Akuli | is there a live version of devuan? |
| 15:12.16 | Akuli | i've always used the netinstalls so i don't know |
| 15:12.40 | aitor | no, there isn't |
| 15:13.12 | Akuli | hmm |
| 15:13.15 | Akuli | then pcg_b has a problem |
| 15:13.26 | blinkdog | there are some devuan derivatives with live versions |
| 15:13.45 | Akuli | maybe pcg_b could try one of them? |
| 15:13.48 | aitor | all of them, i think |
| 15:14.15 | blinkdog | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=refracta |
| 15:14.56 | aitor | refracta? i didn't know it... thanks for the info |
| 15:15.09 | pcg_b | I actually have two working bootable devuan installations on USB, both I created with the beta 1 release. I've not been able to create one with beta 2 |
| 15:15.39 | Akuli | that sounds really good to me, now i don't need ubuntu for live use anymore :) |
| 15:16.03 | aitor | nop |
| 15:18.57 | blinkdog | pcg_b: Where does beta 2 fail that beta 1 succeeds? |
| 15:19.29 | pcg_b | wifi access |
| 15:19.40 | aitor | ? |
| 15:20.25 | pcg_b | the install asks for a mirror selection but never polls for my wifi to access it |
| 15:20.56 | pcg_b | it's a newer computer, maybe it's not compatible with linux |
| 15:21.15 | blinkdog | you're not alone pcg_b; that's an issue I've heard about with Beta 2 |
| 15:21.27 | blinkdog | this forum post might help: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=35 |
| 15:21.50 | golinux | Akuli there in an 'unofficial live' here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/ |
| 15:22.04 | golinux | Pure devuan + refracta tools. |
| 15:22.06 | Akuli | ok :) |
| 15:22.47 | aitor | pcg_b: live images don't any need network connection |
| 15:23.05 | aitor | don't need any... |
| 15:23.52 | blinkdog | ahhh, here's the git issue documenting that problem: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/91 |
| 15:24.44 | pcg_b | I'm only sensitive to it because I want to be sure it will work eventually, and not find out after I repartition my hard drive that I can't make the wifi connect. |
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| 15:28.12 | pcg_b | yeah, that's the same problem in that link that I have. |
| 15:28.39 | pcg_b | I'm not sure about the details he writes about directory structure, but same basic issue |
| 15:32.13 | pcg_b | thanks for the links. appreciate all the feedback. |
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| 18:01.48 | Hestben | As somebody pointed out yesterday, the https://auto.mirror.devuan.org/ has an expired tls-certificate. |
| 18:02.39 | Hestben | Does anybody know who's responsible for that server? |
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| 18:33.46 | jaromil | Hestben: yes, nextime is working on it. between today and tomorrow we'll deploy a new major version of amprolla on a new server so expect that and some more instability on the repository in the coming 24h |
| 18:34.45 | jaromil | beyond the cert expire, hopefully it will all go smooth but there may be small problems in the way of setting it up |
| 18:35.15 | jaromil | this is probably the last big thing we have left to do between the beta and the release candidate |
| 18:35.49 | blinkdog | jaromil: Did the WiFi issue with Beta 2 ever get sorted out? |
| 18:36.15 | blinkdog | pcg_b was on the channel earlier today asking about wifi issues with beta 2 |
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| 18:42.32 | jaromil | that is sort of trivial, but yes needs sorting out |
| 18:43.10 | jaromil | the biggest task right now is some infrastructure change to make sure servers will cope with the load and that we have the new version of amprolla in production |
| 18:43.18 | jaromil | i think Centurion_Dan has already a solution in mind for the wifi issue |
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| 18:45.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | jaromil: happy new year |
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| 20:42.54 | Hestben | jaromil: Thanks for the info. |
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| 21:23.39 | FlibberTGibbet | hi all, just curious if there's an alternative to dbus and, if so, how to install and configure it? |
| 21:26.19 | Centurion_Dan | nope... but we have been doing dbus packages without the dependencies on *systemd* |
| 21:27.36 | Centurion_Dan | technically it would be possible to develop an alternative, but from what I understand that part of dbus's problem is the polluted API. |
| 21:28.27 | Centurion_Dan | - legacy crap, and system discovery api's are particularly bad. |
| 21:28.42 | Centurion_Dan | or so I read a while back. |
| 21:29.19 | FlibberTGibbet | ah, ok. thanks. |
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| 21:31.15 | FlibberTGibbet | on to devices :) which would you recommend out of eudev and vdev? |
| 21:33.12 | Centurion_Dan | neither are packaged for devuan yet, so for devuan, use systemd-udev until we've got them tested and built - probably for ascii, but might sneak them into jessie if I have time. |
| 21:34.00 | FlibberTGibbet | right, will do. thanks! |
| 21:36.39 | Centurion_Dan | As far as I know our systemd-udev package takes pretty much the same approach as gentoo's eudev, which is to build udev from the systemd sources, without systemd deps. The difference being, they took the udev package from prior to it |
| 21:37.47 | Centurion_Dan | being usurped into systemd and have been pulling the udev changes from systemd-udev into their fork. |
| 21:39.23 | FlibberTGibbet | sounds like a lot of work for someone |
| 21:56.07 | Centurion_Dan | yeah, dbus is a failure because it wanted to be an all encompassing IPC suite |
| 21:57.45 | FlibberTGibbet | right. |
| 21:58.29 | FlibberTGibbet | were that kind of thing to be implemented from the ground up these days, what would be the thinking? a simple message queueing system or ...? |
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| 22:00.14 | Centurion_Dan | Well, I've been using yate (yet another telephony engine) which has a nice message passing system which allows listeners and hooks and named message queues and I think that might provide a pretty good basis. It's clean and fast. |
| 22:00.50 | FlibberTGibbet | wish i had the C chops for this sort of thing -- interesting subject |
| 22:01.34 | FlibberTGibbet | i guess if yate is for telephony then it handles distributed messages well... |
| 22:02.42 | Centurion_Dan | it has a clean api and bindings for most scripting languages already |
| 22:03.07 | FlibberTGibbet | nice |
| 22:03.41 | FlibberTGibbet | does it do queues? have been looking for a nice method that isn't AWS-specific for a side project |
| 22:03.51 | Centurion_Dan | yes |
| 22:04.32 | FlibberTGibbet | great, thanks. bookmarked for later reading then |
| 22:05.51 | Centurion_Dan | it's a really nice implementation from what I've seen, written in C++, but I'm pretty impressed with it's simplicity and API. I even wrote a bash script that can talk the API. |
| 22:08.33 | FlibberTGibbet | sounds promising. if bash can speak to it then my crappy python code can probably get through... |
| 22:10.13 | FlibberTGibbet | yup, there's a python library. better still. |
| 22:10.50 | Centurion_Dan | what's really cool is in that the handlers have a pecking order and must handle the message in a certain time period or that handler get's kicked from the queue and if the highest priority handler doesn't handle the message it puts it back on the queue for the next handler to pickup. |
| 22:12.36 | FlibberTGibbet | does that mean it's reasonably certain you can reassemble a message queue after a connectivity problem? |
| 22:15.57 | Centurion_Dan | if a handler doesn't respond the the message gets passed to the next highest priority handler if there isn't a response by the current handler within the time period. |
| 22:17.03 | Centurion_Dan | so the queue remains intact and doesn't fall over if a handler goes awol. The engine also has a the ability to detect and restart handlers that have gone awol. |
| 22:17.31 | FlibberTGibbet | ah, nice |
| 22:18.10 | FlibberTGibbet | if those handlers can live on different hosts then there's some useful redundancy |
| 22:21.12 | Centurion_Dan | Indeed, and that's the whole point. as YATE is built to provide HA redundancy through that mechanism, so multiple yate servers can monitor each other and pass messages across tcp sockets. |
| 22:23.38 | FlibberTGibbet | that's ideal for my purposes then. now to figure out the perfect xml format for the messages ;) |
| 22:25.35 | FlibberTGibbet | thanks for all the information |
| 22:26.59 | Centurion_Dan | Yate is designed for telco grade phone systems clustered and HA failover capable to deliver a very scalable platform that is in production in big telco's with 10's of millions of subscribers. |
| 22:27.37 | Centurion_Dan | the messages aren't xml |
| 22:27.55 | FlibberTGibbet | was only kidding about the xml part -- know how much everyone here loves it |
| 22:30.03 | Centurion_Dan | I built a couple of bolt on modules for voicemail and message waiting indication which doesn't require a database for a small pbx solution that can run on something like a raspberry pi. |
| 22:30.08 | FlibberTGibbet | in my case the data is a little like gps sentences plus a timestamp and point of origin, and that's about it |
| 22:30.21 | FlibberTGibbet | might be 1 per second or hundreds depending on node location |
| 22:30.34 | Centurion_Dan | no problem... |
| 22:31.46 | FlibberTGibbet | if you can run something like a pbx on a pi-type board then it's lightweight enough |
| 22:34.43 | FlibberTGibbet | much to digest. will read up over the new year. |
| 22:34.52 | FlibberTGibbet | 'by for now |
| 22:34.57 | FlibberTGibbet | 'by/'bye |
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| 22:52.01 | user03099 | o/ greetings |
| 22:52.10 | user03099 | devuan is great. thanks a lot! |
| 22:52.30 | Centurion_Dan | user03099: your welcome ;-) |
| 22:53.34 | user03099 | cheers. i'm trying to fix my monitor's refresh rate and hoping for some help. something's amiss with xorg or nvidia i think |
| 22:54.07 | user03099 | my IQT Q995 can do 150hz @ 800x600 |
| 22:54.17 | user03099 | nvidia-settings only lists 100 |
| 22:54.32 | user03099 | likewise for other resolutions from what i read of the EDID file online |
| 22:55.10 | user03099 | any thoughts would be appreciated. yeehaa |
| 22:58.27 | user03099 | can't locate an xorg.conf. nvidia-settings 361.45.11 if relevant |
| 23:01.43 | golinux | Have you tried letting sgfxi set it up? http://smxi.org/ |
| 23:02.32 | user03099 | i haven't golinux thanks for the recommendation. let me have a look |
| 23:15.02 | user03099 | pretty cool! |
| 23:17.01 | Centurion_Dan | user03099: what model gpu |
| 23:17.06 | KatolaZ | user03099: I believe it has been a while since the last xorg.conf file was seen around.... |
| 23:17.49 | user03099 | haha. 750ti Centurion_Dan |
| 23:17.55 | Centurion_Dan | xorg is mostly smart enough to autodect setings. |
| 23:18.15 | Centurion_Dan | golinux: did you get screenies from parazyd/jaromil ? |
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| 23:28.38 | user03099 | thanks for the link again golinux. coolest scripts i've run maybe aha |
| 23:29.02 | golinux | user03099: YW |
| 23:29.06 | user03099 | finished with the graphics bit, went back to desktop with some updated drives |
| 23:29.09 | user03099 | rs |
| 23:29.22 | user03099 | same problem for now |
| 23:30.00 | golinux | Centurion_Dan: jarmil mentioned it but not yet. He and parazyd just left the office. |
| 23:30.02 | user03099 | no change but im guessing there are more tools in that |
| 23:30.16 | user03099 | script suite |
| 23:31.11 | golinux | user03099: Bummer. I haven't used it in a long time. Currently using onboard graphics. |
| 23:31.42 | golinux | That's the only script in that suite that I've played with . . . |
| 23:31.57 | golinux | Well, it was worth a try . . . |
| 23:34.17 | user03099 | no question. that stuff puts the fun back into computing |
| 23:34.39 | user03099 | nice site |
| 23:39.49 | user03099 | brb |
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| 23:43.17 | user39930 | no luck on this machine either |
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| 23:49.16 | user39930 | hrm xrandr gets it wrong too |
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| 23:55.45 | aitor | hi |
| 23:56.19 | fsmithred | hi |
| 23:56.38 | fsmithred | is it time to upgrade vdev? |
| 23:57.06 | aitor | yes |
| 23:57.16 | fsmithred | cool, I'll fire up the laptop |
| 23:57.28 | fsmithred | you gonna stay here and hold my hand? |
| 23:57.31 | fsmithred | please |
| 23:57.37 | aitor | ok |
| 23:58.15 | aitor | i'll be here in a few minutes |
| 23:58.47 | fsmithred | ok |