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| 07:40.24 | joostvb | добÑо ÑÑÑÑо, Centurion_Dan |
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| 09:07.32 | Tandy | He |
| 09:07.36 | Tandy | hello |
| 09:07.47 | Tandy | Im on a. |
| 09:07.56 | Tandy | Fresh devuan install |
| 09:08.08 | Tandy | Sorry for bad typing im on mobile |
| 09:08.23 | Tandy | Anyway |
| 09:08.37 | Tandy | When i startx i have no input devices working |
| 09:08.58 | Tandy | Previously i was running debian |
| 09:09.37 | Tandy | My thinkpad x220's mouse, keyboard, and my external mouse and keyboard are not working on X |
| 09:09.37 | KatolaZ | Tandy: which devices are we talking about? |
| 09:09.44 | Tandy | X220 |
| 09:09.53 | Tandy | Ibm model m keyboard |
| 09:10.00 | Tandy | Logitech trackman marble |
| 09:10.13 | Tandy | The laptops touchpad, nipple and keyboard also dont work |
| 09:10.17 | KatolaZ | Tandy: I had devuan on my x220 for one year |
| 09:10.25 | KatolaZ | now I have it on my x260 |
| 09:10.33 | Tandy | Did you do any setup for the devices? |
| 09:10.51 | KatolaZ | nope |
| 09:10.56 | Tandy | Hmm |
| 09:10.57 | KatolaZ | worked out-of-the-box |
| 09:11.03 | KatolaZ | which release are you using? |
| 09:11.07 | Tandy | What wm did you run? |
| 09:11.09 | KatolaZ | jessie? |
| 09:11.14 | KatolaZ | WindowMaker |
| 09:11.23 | Tandy | Upgraded to ascii |
| 09:11.32 | Tandy | Should i downgrade? |
| 09:11.33 | KatolaZ | did it work before? |
| 09:11.49 | Tandy | It worked on debian jessie and stretch |
| 09:12.28 | DusXMT | Tandy: is the evdev xorg driver installed? |
| 09:12.45 | DusXMT | xserver-xorg-input-evdev |
| 09:12.53 | Tandy | I was looking for it in xorg conf d but it wasnt there |
| 09:13.11 | DusXMT | Installed, as in the package |
| 09:13.31 | Tandy | Im installing now |
| 09:14.32 | Tandy | Ok lemee try it out |
| 09:15.43 | Tandy | No still not working |
| 09:15.48 | Tandy | Lemme check the log |
| 09:16.46 | Tandy | When i try sudo x -configure i get errors so that might be it |
| 09:17.35 | DusXMT | I always get errors with X -configure, and it's working just fine |
| 09:18.00 | DusXMT | Are you using a custom xorg.conf? |
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| 09:18.08 | DusXMT | (because if yes, that might be the problem) |
| 09:18.13 | Tandy | Yeah |
| 09:19.48 | Tandy | the reason im using a custom conf is that when i startx it fail addscreen /screen init for driver0 |
| 09:20.00 | Tandy | So removing display subsections in the conf fixed that |
| 09:20.16 | Tandy | First error i get in the log is |
| 09:20.29 | Tandy | drmSetMaster failed permission denied |
| 09:20.38 | Tandy | Then |
| 09:20.53 | Tandy | addscreen/screeninit failed for driver 0 |
| 09:20.57 | KatolaZ | Tandy: why on earth don't you let root startx? |
| 09:21.13 | Tandy | Sudo startx? |
| 09:21.21 | Tandy | Because security |
| 09:21.26 | KatolaZ | ???? |
| 09:21.30 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 09:21.38 | KatolaZ | why don't you try with a login manager? |
| 09:21.53 | Tandy | Like? |
| 09:22.00 | KatolaZ | any of them |
| 09:22.04 | KatolaZ | xdm |
| 09:22.06 | KatolaZ | wdm |
| 09:22.14 | KatolaZ | you don't need gdm |
| 09:22.41 | Tandy | Hmm lemme see |
| 09:22.44 | KatolaZ | it looks like your sudo-stuff is the problem |
| 09:22.53 | KatolaZ | let root start the login manager |
| 09:22.58 | KatolaZ | and see if it works |
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| 09:24.48 | Tandy | I tried sudo xdm and it just keeps asking me to login |
| 09:24.59 | KatolaZ | then, login |
| 09:25.15 | KatolaZ | (again, why on earth are you using sudo xdm??????) |
| 09:25.16 | DusXMT | sudo... why did ubuntu popularize sudo... |
| 09:25.17 | Tandy | I do then it asks again and again |
| 09:25.27 | Tandy | It says xdm only runs with sudo |
| 09:25.40 | KatolaZ | Tandy: could you please start xdm from root? |
| 09:26.13 | Tandy | Ah from root |
| 09:26.32 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 09:26.35 | KatolaZ | from root |
| 09:26.45 | KatolaZ | /etc/iint.d/xdm start |
| 09:26.49 | KatolaZ | /etc/init.d/xdm start |
| 09:27.03 | DusXMT | Though if it just keeps asking for login, it's failing to start the window manager; ${HOME}/.xsession has to be configured |
| 09:27.26 | KatolaZ | DusXMT: it should revert to the default wm |
| 09:27.34 | KatolaZ | which should be just xterm |
| 09:27.39 | KatolaZ | if nothing is configured |
| 09:30.08 | Tandy | Ok i rebooted |
| 09:30.13 | Tandy | Xdm loaded |
| 09:30.17 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 09:30.21 | Tandy | I tried logging in |
| 09:30.27 | Tandy | But it just asks me again |
| 09:31.19 | DusXMT | It's failing to start the default window manager |
| 09:31.23 | KatolaZ | what do you see in the logs? |
| 09:31.31 | KatolaZ | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:32.49 | Tandy | I have a xorg.1.log in my .local share xorg for the non root account |
| 09:33.37 | KatolaZ | Tandy: nothing in /var/log? |
| 09:34.08 | Tandy | Ok in the var log i see lots of stuff about input devices |
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| 09:35.10 | Tandy | I have internet on the laptop is there any way i can grab the log file from there ? |
| 09:35.30 | Tandy | And put it on pastebin or something |
| 09:37.11 | Tandy | I just did a ctrl-w for fail |
| 09:37.16 | Tandy | AMD it say |
| 09:37.20 | Tandy | and it says |
| 09:37.47 | Tandy | Xf86openconsole Setpgid failed not permitted |
| 09:38.15 | Tandy | And the same above with set sid failed |
| 09:38.45 | KatolaZ | Tandy: have you tried to start X from root |
| 09:38.53 | KatolaZ | without anything around? |
| 09:38.54 | KatolaZ | just X |
| 09:39.03 | KatolaZ | but you have to login from root |
| 09:39.21 | KatolaZ | forget the existence of sudo, just for a moment |
| 09:39.45 | Tandy | Yes i login to root and startx and it works |
| 09:39.51 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 09:39.57 | KatolaZ | so the problem is not in X |
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| 09:40.08 | KatolaZ | not a missing driver |
| 09:40.16 | Leander256 | Tandy: you can install pastebinit to easily send log files to pastebin or similar sites |
| 09:40.16 | KatolaZ | neither a misconfigured anything |
| 09:40.25 | KatolaZ | if it works with root |
| 09:40.27 | KatolaZ | it works |
| 09:40.36 | Tandy | Btw |
| 09:40.43 | KatolaZ | now, have you tried to startx from a normal user? |
| 09:41.02 | Tandy | i copied my whole home drive from my previous debian install that might be it |
| 09:41.07 | Tandy | Thanks lapea |
| 09:41.15 | Tandy | Thanks leander256 |
| 09:41.35 | KatolaZ | Tandy: ???? |
| 09:41.47 | Tandy | Yeah |
| 09:41.48 | KatolaZ | that will be the problem, |
| 09:41.51 | Tandy | It says |
| 09:41.52 | KatolaZ | almost surely |
| 09:42.09 | KatolaZ | it is trying to use an .XSession which does not match your current conf |
| 09:42.17 | Tandy | Xf86 enable io ports failed operation not permitted |
| 09:42.48 | KatolaZ | Tandy: the problem is in the conf files you have in your home |
| 09:42.49 | Tandy | And also addscreen init failed |
| 09:42.55 | KatolaZ | read above |
| 09:43.15 | Tandy | Yes i saw |
| 09:44.23 | KatolaZ | do you have a .xsession file into your home? |
| 09:44.41 | KatolaZ | or .xinitrc? |
| 09:44.44 | Tandy | Should i rm xauth, xdef, xsession errors? |
| 09:45.03 | Tandy | I have no xsession i removed that so it wouldnt conflict |
| 09:45.11 | Tandy | I have xinitrc |
| 09:45.53 | KatolaZ | ok, move it somewhere else |
| 09:46.07 | KatolaZ | and retry startx |
| 09:46.47 | Tandy | Ok moved and started x |
| 09:46.55 | KatolaZ | does it work? |
| 09:48.35 | Tandy | No |
| 09:48.43 | Tandy | Ill pastbin the log |
| 09:49.05 | KatolaZ | Tandy: have you removed the setuid bit in X, by any chance? |
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| 09:49.23 | KatolaZ | :D |
| 09:49.27 | KatolaZ | (kidding!) |
| 09:49.39 | Tandy | Lol |
| 09:50.49 | Tandy | How do i use pastebin the manual is not very good |
| 09:51.01 | Tandy | *Pastebinit |
| 09:51.10 | KatolaZ | Tandy: just report the first error |
| 09:51.15 | KatolaZ | it should be enough |
| 09:51.56 | Tandy | Drmsetmaster failed permission denied |
| 09:51.58 | Tandy | Hmm |
| 09:52.38 | Tandy | When i cpd the user dir into home i did preserve permissions but that was after i had already copied it without preserving permissions |
| 09:54.14 | Centurion_Dan | X must run as root... |
| 09:54.24 | Centurion_Dan | It |
| 09:55.26 | Centurion_Dan | is likely there is a systemd infested version of X in ascii which has ditched the setuid to root setup required for non-systemd use. |
| 09:57.17 | Tandy | Oh no |
| 09:57.40 | Tandy | How can i downgrade? |
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| 09:58.37 | muep | at least debian sid still seems to have xserver-xorg-legacy available |
| 09:58.53 | Leander256 | I thought that the suid thing was only held back because of non-KMS video drivers |
| 09:59.56 | muep | also with KMS, my impression is that X.org either needs root privileges or some other mechanism to get privileged access to hardware functionality exposed by the kernel |
| 10:00.37 | Tandy | Anyway to downgrade? |
| 10:05.03 | Leander256 | there's no suid in ascii, but I didn't notice because I use a login manager, instead of startx, I guess |
| 10:05.32 | Tandy | Ok thanks for all the help |
| 10:05.35 | Tandy | Much appreciated |
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| 10:07.48 | Leander256 | Tandy: as suggested by muep, install xserver-xorg-legacy |
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| 10:12.03 | Tandy | Ah |
| 10:15.48 | KatolaZ | Tandy: you don't need to downgrade |
| 10:15.58 | Tandy | Yeah im installing what he said |
| 10:16.24 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 10:16.43 | KatolaZ | but seriously, does X have srtuid in your system? |
| 10:16.44 | Tandy | Still gett he drmsetmaster error in logs :((( |
| 10:16.53 | Tandy | How do i know? |
| 10:16.55 | KatolaZ | Tandy, have you tried to start only X |
| 10:17.01 | KatolaZ | without startx |
| 10:17.03 | KatolaZ | only X |
| 10:17.03 | Tandy | No |
| 10:17.16 | KatolaZ | I think it might be an issue with your previous conf |
| 10:17.26 | Centurion_Dan | I'll work on a fixed package soon |
| 10:17.38 | Tandy | It says its already active |
| 10:17.43 | KatolaZ | X -- :1 |
| 10:17.47 | Centurion_Dan | if nobody else beats me to it... |
| 10:17.59 | KatolaZ | Centurion_Dan: in this case it might be just old conf |
| 10:18.13 | KatolaZ | (Tandy is using a previously existing Debian-based /home) |
| 10:18.47 | KatolaZ | Tandy: X -- :1 |
| 10:19.17 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 10:19.39 | KatolaZ | better |
| 10:19.39 | Tandy | Unrecognised option |
| 10:19.44 | KatolaZ | yes I know |
| 10:19.46 | KatolaZ | try |
| 10:19.53 | KatolaZ | xinit /usr/bin/xterm -- :1 |
| 10:20.04 | KatolaZ | it should show only an xterm (in white) |
| 10:21.04 | Tandy | I need to kill an instance of xorg from xdm |
| 10:21.09 | KatolaZ | no |
| 10:21.13 | KatolaZ | you don;t |
| 10:21.16 | Tandy | Oh |
| 10:21.34 | KatolaZ | you should login on one of the vttys |
| 10:21.43 | KatolaZ | and start xinit |
| 10:21.45 | KatolaZ | xinit /usr/bin/xterm -- :1 |
| 10:22.10 | Tandy | From that command i get parse vt settings cannot open tty0 perm denied |
| 10:22.22 | KatolaZ | uh? |
| 10:22.26 | KatolaZ | from normal user? |
| 10:22.35 | Tandy | Yeah |
| 10:22.41 | KatolaZ | mmmhhhh |
| 10:24.47 | KatolaZ | is your X setuid? |
| 10:25.14 | Tandy | How do i know? |
| 10:25.20 | Tandy | Also in the log it says |
| 10:25.40 | Tandy | Oh wait nothing |
| 10:25.52 | Tandy | So how do i know about x setuid? |
| 10:26.19 | KatolaZ | ls -l /usr/bin/X |
| 10:28.53 | Tandy | Lrwxrwrwx root root |
| 10:29.29 | DusXMT | and at the end of the line is `-> Xorg' ? |
| 10:29.36 | DusXMT | In that case, repeat for /usr/bin/Xorg |
| 10:30.00 | KatolaZ | ok Tandy |
| 10:30.08 | KatolaZ | it is just that your X is not setuid |
| 10:30.12 | Tandy | Yes DusXMY |
| 10:30.46 | Tandy | -rwsr-sr-x root root |
| 10:31.06 | Tandy | Ok i dont know what that means haha |
| 10:32.05 | DusXMT | KatolaZ: According to the last line it is |
| 10:32.09 | KatolaZ | yep |
| 10:32.16 | KatolaZ | since X seems to be a link to Xorg |
| 10:32.59 | KatolaZ | then I tend to believe that there is some file in Tandy's home which is mangling with X |
| 10:33.02 | KatolaZ | Tandy: |
| 10:33.11 | Tandy | Hm |
| 10:33.13 | KatolaZ | can you create a new user and try to start X from that user? |
| 10:33.23 | Tandy | How do i make one? |
| 10:33.25 | KatolaZ | adduser newuser |
| 10:35.00 | Tandy | Btw im using an external sceeen |
| 10:35.32 | KatolaZ | Tandy: what is an external screen? |
| 10:35.45 | KatolaZ | oh, you said that's a laptop |
| 10:35.47 | KatolaZ | ok |
| 10:35.48 | KatolaZ | anyway |
| 10:35.54 | KatolaZ | have you created the new user? |
| 10:36.06 | Tandy | So i get the same drmsetmaster permissions error |
| 10:36.36 | Tandy | When i was trying random fixes earlier i did do a lot of chmod s i think |
| 10:36.47 | KatolaZ | wait |
| 10:36.55 | KatolaZ | have you logged in with the new user? |
| 10:37.59 | Tandy | Yes new user |
| 10:38.25 | KatolaZ | logged in from tty |
| 10:38.35 | KatolaZ | you are not using sudo or su, are you? |
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| 10:40.34 | Tandy | Nope |
| 10:40.37 | Tandy | Thus hser in |
| 10:40.44 | Tandy | this user isnt in sudoers |
| 10:40.51 | KatolaZ | ? |
| 10:40.52 | KatolaZ | I mean |
| 10:41.01 | KatolaZ | you logged into the newuser account |
| 10:41.03 | KatolaZ | from the tty |
| 10:41.10 | KatolaZ | not "sudo-ing" from somewhere else |
| 10:41.39 | KatolaZ | (the newuser does not have to be in sudoers, for somebody in sodoers to become "newuser"...) |
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| 10:43.30 | Tandy | I logged into the new user |
| 10:43.38 | Tandy | And start x'd yes |
| 10:43.51 | KatolaZ | and it works? |
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| 10:50.39 | Tandy | Sorry browser timed out |
| 10:50.45 | Tandy | What did you say ? |
| 10:51.27 | KatolaZ | does it work? |
| 10:51.30 | Tandy | No |
| 10:51.33 | KatolaZ | from the newuser |
| 10:51.34 | Tandy | Same error |
| 10:51.42 | KatolaZ | 10:43 < Tandy> And start x'd yes |
| 10:51.49 | KatolaZ | :( |
| 10:51.59 | Tandy | Yes :( |
| 10:52.08 | KatolaZ | even if you use "X :1" |
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| 10:53.35 | Tandy | With x :1 i get the parse vt settings error |
| 10:53.38 | Tandy | What do? |
| 10:53.54 | Tandy | I need a working system i have lots of work |
| 10:54.10 | KatolaZ | :( |
| 10:54.27 | Tandy | Maybe i can downgrade and it will work? |
| 10:54.32 | KatolaZ | it should |
| 10:54.41 | KatolaZ | I am on jessie, and I have no problems with X |
| 10:55.07 | DusXMT | same here |
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| 10:59.13 | Tandy | Ffs |
| 10:59.23 | Tandy | Keep on getiing unescaped brace on dpkg |
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| 11:00.44 | Tandy | Fuck im gonna reinstall |
| 11:00.58 | Tandy | If it doesnt work ill just die |
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| 13:18.08 | wulllst | is there a general term for the feature that when you are running a two-pane file manager and have a directory structure (say /home/user) on the left, the content of folders you access pops up in the second pane on the right? (like in norton commander, if i remember that right) |
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| 13:28.39 | buZz | wulllst: 'horrible' |
| 13:28.41 | buZz | :D |
| 13:28.56 | buZz | norton commander nor midnight commander did that btw |
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| 13:30.51 | wulllst | buZz: well, it's quite a handy feature when you have a lot of similarly named directories of photos that you want to browse through. |
| 13:31.20 | buZz | uses ls |
| 13:33.11 | wulllst | buZz: how do you manage to keep track of which directory is next within, say, 30 directories you want to look at? also ls doesn't display tumbnails. |
| 13:33.24 | buZz | i have a brain |
| 13:33.35 | buZz | it can store insane lot of information |
| 13:34.48 | wulllst | buZz: i see. |
| 13:36.04 | wulllst | but don't we use computers so we don't have to do that? |
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| 13:36.35 | buZz | no, the computers exist to compliment myself |
| 13:36.38 | buZz | not other way around |
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| 13:41.12 | wulllst | ok. well, i found spacefm has the feature i was looking for. but then again it has some oddities. |
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| 13:51.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | to all survivers. CONGRATS and keep on, soon we're leaving the 2016 area |
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| 19:18.53 | robert-e | Centurion_Dan: Tried this last night; "add /devuan jessie-proposed main to your sources and install it. network-manager without systemd". No joy; maybe mirrors need time to populate? |
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| 19:38.15 | fsmithred | robert-e, I'm seeing network-manager in jessie-proposed. |
| 19:38.49 | fsmithred | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/devuan jessie-proposed main |
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| 19:49.36 | robert-e | fsmithred: OK thanks, I will retry today. Maybe was a mirror sync prob. Best of the New Year for you. |
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| 20:11.31 | Centurion_Dan | robert-e: it's been there for the best part of a week now. |
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| 20:55.35 | Fervi | Hello, I am somewhere revised version of debootstrap support Devuan Ascii? |
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| 21:17.56 | BiG_NoBoDy | hi team, |
| 21:18.00 | BiG_NoBoDy | small short question, will kfreebsd will be maintained in devuan? |
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| 21:34.21 | Centurion_Dan | BiG_NoBoDy: if there is interest and people willing to do the work for it. |
| 21:38.35 | BiG_NoBoDy | sounds fair enough :) |
| 21:44.05 | BiG_NoBoDy | what is plannedf size of mirror? |
| 21:44.22 | BiG_NoBoDy | active branches. |
| 21:45.50 | Centurion_Dan | big enough to hold all the packages ;-) |
| 21:46.17 | Centurion_Dan | I'm going offline for travel... be back in a couple of hours. |
| 21:46.55 | BiG_NoBoDy | good luck |
| 21:47.05 | BiG_NoBoDy | big = 1TB? or less? |
| 21:47.17 | BiG_NoBoDy | I think Debian is about 400 GB. |
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