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| 02:29.20 | Xenguy | I've been looking for a list of mirrors, i.e. options for setting configuration of /etc/sources.list, but I can't seem to find it |
| 02:29.34 | Xenguy | Anyone know where this might be found? |
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| 02:29.53 | Xenguy | Like an index of server, by country, that I can apt-get stuff from |
| 02:29.59 | Xenguy | *servers |
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| 08:40.35 | Centurion_Dan | Xenguy: currently their is only packages.devuan.org and it's aliases auto.mirrors.devuan.org and CC.mirrors.devuan.org where CC is the country code (but they are all just aliases to packages.d.o at the moment). For NZ we are doing a partial redirect where for nz.mirrors.devuan.org packages coming from debian use the pool at ftp.nz.debian.org |
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| 08:51.24 | Centurion_Dan | Just spotted this in passing on #debian-security.... https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/709201/71647397e69e0abb/ < automatic upgrades by default.... What do you think?? |
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| 09:10.48 | cyteen | Sounds like ubuntu and should be renamed unintended-upgrades. And again the need to have trust in the distro management and a usecase that does not diverge much from what they decide. Moving away from "We make this for us" toward "We make this for them" where them always seems to be windows users just breaks the distro over time. |
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| 09:48.48 | Centurion_Dan | Indeed... It leaves me feeling like debian is becoming more like Microsoft everyday. They don't trust the users many of whom are very experienced engineers to be able to make basic decisions anymore. It must be a virus associated with systemd or something that makes the debian maintainers think that they know better then the individual user about their use case... |
| 09:55.46 | zdzichu | most users are not experienced engineers; and the ones who are, are perfectly capable of customizing/disabling this auto-upgrade |
| 09:56.26 | zdzichu | the change is geared towards clueless users |
| 09:56.32 | zdzichu | which are sadly a majority |
| 10:01.01 | Leander256 | it's not even about desktop clueless users, it's about cloud clueless users |
| 10:01.35 | Leander256 | so now apprently the cloud decides how debian works |
| 10:01.57 | zdzichu | of course |
| 10:02.07 | zdzichu | nobody mentioned desktop |
| 10:02.40 | Leander256 | well, maybe they should have given a thought about it |
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| 10:04.34 | armin | meh. had to upgrade to testing because my hardware was too new, now xfce breaks on update. |
| 10:04.36 | armin | :( |
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| 10:13.29 | armin | The following packages have been kept back: |
| 10:13.30 | armin | gcr xfconf |
| 10:13.34 | armin | anyone a clue how to solve this? |
| 10:45.04 | Centurion_Dan | armin: did it say why they've been kept back? |
| 10:45.52 | ttr | armin: apt mark unhold <pkg> |
| 10:46.04 | ttr | in short anwser |
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| 10:46.27 | ttr | but yes - question is why they are held back - did You instructed apt to do so or was because of deps |
| 10:46.40 | Centurion_Dan | I'll check it out anyway for dependency issues. |
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| 10:56.44 | fr33domlover | hello |
| 11:00.28 | fr33domlover | I have a laptop on which I used to run Fedora and later Debian 7, with disk encryption. Recently I tried installing Trisquel 7 and today Devuan, and they don't boot. Devuan's installer said something about a removable media path workaround for EFI (strange, the BIOS UI looks like the old stuff, didn't know the laptop has EFI). The boot process is stuck at "No volume groups found", or if I remove the "quiet" |
| 11:00.30 | fr33domlover | kernel arg, it says "Waiting for crypto source device..." iirc. I never get asked for the LUKS password. After a minute it gives me the initramfs shell |
| 11:00.40 | fr33domlover | Anyone has any idea how I can further debug this? |
| 11:01.24 | fr33domlover | I've been tinkering for months, did install GuixSD successfully but it doesn't support LVM and disk encryption, so... |
| 11:02.38 | fr33domlover | Next step I have in mind: Install Debian 7 and use an upgrade path to Devuan... |
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| 11:38.13 | Centurion_Dan | fr33domlover: sounds like the crypto modules aren't being loaded... |
| 11:39.57 | Centurion_Dan | I've never tried disk encryption though.. |
| 11:46.51 | fr33domlover | Centurion_Dan, how do i get them to be loaded? |
| 11:47.38 | fr33domlover | or at least where are they supposed to come from exactly |
| 11:50.02 | Centurion_Dan | they are kernel modules. At the intiramfs shell can you do: |
| 11:50.06 | Centurion_Dan | lsmod? |
| 11:50.23 | Centurion_Dan | er "lsmod" |
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| 12:17.09 | \renaud | hello |
| 12:17.26 | \renaud | is is possible to upgrade from debian testing to devuan unstable? |
| 12:19.01 | KatolaZ | no |
| 12:19.12 | fr33domlover | Centurion_Dan, thanks, will try |
| 12:19.22 | KatolaZ | is it possible to upgrade from debian stable to debian unstable? |
| 12:19.39 | KatolaZ | you should normally passing through testing |
| 12:19.53 | KatolaZ | otherwise you should expect all kind og breakage to occur |
| 12:19.56 | \renaud | testing to tetsing only upgrade a handful packages |
| 12:20.10 | KatolaZ | oh sorry |
| 12:20.15 | KatolaZ | I misread |
| 12:20.26 | KatolaZ | I thought you wanted to update from debian stable |
| 12:20.27 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 12:20.32 | \renaud | :) |
| 12:20.38 | KatolaZ | was reading three chats at the same time :D |
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| 12:20.50 | \renaud | no problem |
| 12:20.56 | \renaud | so testing -> unstable should be IK |
| 12:20.58 | \renaud | OK |
| 12:21.05 | KatolaZ | I have never tried |
| 12:21.16 | KatolaZ | so the answer is "I don't know" :;) |
| 12:21.25 | \renaud | there must be a beggining everywhere :) |
| 12:21.57 | \renaud | lets' just hop it doesn't break too hard if it does |
| 12:22.12 | \renaud | either my keyboard is broken or I am tired :) |
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| 12:23.18 | fr33domlover | Centurion_Dan, /bin/sh: lsmod not found |
| 12:23.34 | fr33domlover | it's busybox, there's a very small number of commands |
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| 12:26.00 | Hestben | fr33domlover: There are options for grub to load crypto modules. |
| 12:26.11 | Hestben | fr33domlover: But your issue may not be that |
| 12:26.17 | \renaud | it didn't crash during the upgrade, that's already something |
| 12:26.38 | \renaud | let's reboot |
| 12:27.07 | Hestben | fr33domlover: There was a note about upgrading wheezy->jessie with encrypted root, you needed to install "plymouth" to have a prompt ask for the password at boot |
| 12:28.07 | fr33domlover | Hestben, I had issues even when root itself wasn't encrypted (but home, swap and var were). How do I install plymouth though? |
| 12:28.22 | fr33domlover | The installer doesn't let me choose specific packages |
| 12:29.01 | \renaud | worked, with FDE |
| 12:29.10 | Hestben | fr33domlover: That may not be the issue either then. The installer should install the needed packages |
| 12:30.03 | fr33domlover | Hestben, is there a place I can look for info? I mean, why did the kernel or whatever it is decide to give me the initramfs shell in the first place? |
| 12:30.18 | \renaud | is it normal that the bootloader prompt still show debian? |
| 12:30.20 | fr33domlover | I don't know what the problem is because I don't know what logs to look at |
| 12:30.20 | Hestben | fr33domlover: Is it the devuan installer? |
| 12:30.59 | Hestben | fr33domlover: I read in a bug report that popping out to the initramfs shell is default if wrong password is given, or if no password is given |
| 12:31.01 | fr33domlover | Hestben, right now yes. When I tried Trisquel, I simply got the linux console(s) but with blank screen and blinking cursor |
| 12:31.36 | \renaud | my PC feels faster with devuan than with debian, how could that be?? |
| 12:31.42 | fr33domlover | (and never got asked for password either) |
| 12:32.02 | fr33domlover | \renaud, your intuitions for right and wrong? :P |
| 12:32.49 | \renaud | fr33domlover: i's not an intuition, it's really faster |
| 12:32.58 | \renaud | but it light be due to the kernel update |
| 12:33.02 | \renaud | s/light/might/ |
| 12:33.10 | Hestben | fr33domlover: http://hmarco.org/bugs/CVE-2016-4484/CVE-2016-4484_cryptsetup_initrd_shell.html |
| 12:33.45 | Hestben | fr33domlover: Did you install Trisquel with encryption as well? |
| 12:34.27 | \renaud | awesome, now things that didn't work in debian work again |
| 12:34.43 | Hestben | \renaud: Which things? |
| 12:34.48 | \renaud | gdaemon for example |
| 12:34.53 | \renaud | g15daemon |
| 12:35.15 | \renaud | with debien with systemd it started, but was killed directly |
| 12:35.17 | Hestben | \renaud: I noticed that xfce could remember the open terminals in devuan. After upgrading wheezy->jessie, that broke for me. |
| 12:35.42 | \renaud | I am using i3 wm |
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| 12:37.43 | Hestben | fr33domlover: So, one thing you could try is booting up a livecd, chroot to the system and try grub-install. |
| 12:38.11 | Hestben | fr33domlover: But thinking more about that, the installer should have generated an appropriate grub.cfg for you |
| 12:39.43 | Hestben | I have only ever installed linux with encryption using debian 7. I think I need to try that though |
| 12:41.47 | armin | ttr: tried that and it tells me "xfconf was already not hold." / "gcr was already not hold.". same behaviour when trying to dist-upgrade, though. |
| 12:42.57 | \renaud | is the debmutlimedia package still necessary with devuan? |
| 12:44.37 | \renaud | eek |
| 12:44.40 | \renaud | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Nov 30 14:38 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd |
| 12:44.44 | \renaud | how comes |
| 12:45.08 | \renaud | did I miss something? |
| 12:47.33 | fr33domlover | Hestben, I tried reinstalling grub, didn't help. I get a regular grub screen, choose one of the options... |
| 12:48.01 | fr33domlover | i'm trying to access the encrypted partitions from initramfs shell |
| 12:48.12 | fr33domlover | just to see what happens.... dunno |
| 12:48.41 | Hestben | fr33domlover: If the shell doesn't have lsmod, does it have cryptsetup and lvm and stuff you need? |
| 12:49.10 | Hestben | fr33domlover: does the grub entry contain loading of lvm etc? |
| 12:49.34 | Hestben | fr33domlover: You may need some grub guru rather than my random guesses |
| 12:56.57 | \renaud | ok, I installed sysvinit-core and rebooted and I am now in a normal init |
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| 13:05.07 | \renaud | HP postscript print driver are dependent on systemd???? |
| 13:11.33 | armin | lolwut |
| 13:11.46 | armin | systemd! systemd everywhere! |
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| 13:14.33 | fr33domlover | Hestben, I found a clue. Tried cryptsetup and then mount the LVM volume to /root (so that i can exit the shell and boot) but when i exit it says i should check devices or modules or cryptopts kernel parameter, because /dev/disk/bu-uuid/..... doesn't exist. And then it drops back to the initramfs shell again |
| 13:14.48 | fr33domlover | Maybe you're right and some modules are missing? |
| 13:17.01 | Hestben | fr33domlover: hmm, so are the disk-uuids correct? |
| 13:18.26 | fr33domlover | Hestben, the one it mentions really doesn't exist, dunno where it even picked it up. i'll check again. also, any idea which modules i need in /proc/modules? |
| 13:18.35 | fr33domlover | i want to see if anything is missing related to LVM |
| 13:19.50 | fr33domlover | so weird, the UUID is complains about doesn't exist anywhere, dunno where it even found it |
| 13:20.01 | Hestben | fr33domlover: There are several uuids to keep in mind there. There is one uuid for the encrypted partion, one for the unlocked partion. And possible more for the lvms (I can't say I know much about lvm) |
| 13:21.40 | fr33domlover | Hestben, I run `blkid` and I see them all |
| 13:22.09 | fr33domlover | none of them are what it tries to find and is indeed missing |
| 13:22.42 | Hestben | fr33domlover: OK, so the setup has possibly used a faulty uuid then? |
| 13:22.44 | fr33domlover | maybe the initramfs is invalud? |
| 13:22.52 | Hestben | fr33domlover: do you have a /etc/crypttab file? |
| 13:24.16 | fr33domlover | Hestben, yeah. It says sda2_crypt and then the UUID of /dev/sda2 |
| 13:28.57 | Hestben | fr33domlover: That looks OK. So, then, what uuid is in fstab? |
| 13:30.16 | fr33domlover | Hestben, in /etc/fstab the only UUID mentioned is that of /boot which is correct |
| 13:30.23 | Hestben | fr33domlover: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/107810/why-my-encrypted-lvm-volume-luks-device-wont-mount-at-boot-time |
| 13:30.52 | Hestben | fr33domlover: In the answer there, they say that you need to install the package "cryptsetup" to be able to mount at boot |
| 13:31.37 | Hestben | fr33domlover: So, the rest of fstab uses paths /dev/mapper/<map point> |
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| 13:34.12 | fr33domlover | Hestben, yep |
| 13:34.23 | fr33domlover | now how do i even install anything :P |
| 13:34.44 | Hestben | fr33domlover: That is a good question. I guess you may chroot to the system |
| 13:35.39 | fr33domlover | Hestben, and then I need to do some magic with the /var/run stuff etc. so that i have the nework related files... otherwise network doesn't work |
| 13:36.30 | Hestben | fr33domlover: Maybe. I have only done chroot in a gentoo install recently, and there you had to do such stuff |
| 13:37.10 | fr33domlover | Hestben, but there's another option: download the DEB package from live USB and then just install it while in chroot :) |
| 13:37.20 | fr33domlover | i'll try that |
| 13:37.30 | Hestben | fr33domlover: But still, it doesn't make sense the boot looks for a uuid that is not listed in crypttab or fstab. You should maybe search in /etc for files containing that uuid. |
| 13:39.53 | fr33domlover | or in grub config. will check both |
| 13:40.21 | Hestben | fr33domlover: most likely in grub.conf when I think about it |
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| 13:43.27 | Xenguy | thanks Centurion_Dan |
| 13:46.02 | fr33domlover | Hestben, grub.cfg actually says /dev/mapper/... XD |
| 13:46.38 | fr33domlover | i'll try grepping from live USB because the busybox grep throws tons of errors and I can't `less` or `head` the output |
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| 13:52.16 | Hestben | fr33domlover: Are you using devuan beta2? |
| 13:52.47 | fr33domlover | Hestben, yep |
| 13:54.11 | Hestben | fr33domlover: OK, I will try to install a virtual machine with encryption... |
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| 14:01.33 | ttr | armin: unhold told you already on hold... or you did 'hold' accidentaly |
| 14:02.06 | ttr | armin: also, I usually use aptitude - migh give you more flexibility |
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| 14:35.39 | Hestben | fr33domlover: My virtual machine install with lvm with encryption works. |
| 14:39.11 | fr33domlover | Hestben, awesome |
| 14:40.04 | fr33domlover | Hestben, i did to the exact same setup already with Trisquel on other laptops |
| 14:40.12 | fr33domlover | it's just this specific laptop causing issues |
| 14:40.43 | fr33domlover | maybe that EFI workaround thing is related, i really dunno |
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| 14:58.42 | Hestben | fr33domlover: I would suspect EFI could have something to do with it |
| 14:59.28 | Hestben | Maybe I should try to install on one of my spare harddrives. |
| 14:59.51 | Hestben | Or use EFI in virtualbox |
| 15:00.52 | Hestben | Do you get an option when installing to use EFI or mbr? |
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| 15:40.29 | fr33domlover | Hestben, no. I never thought this laptop has anything to do with EFI actually. No distro installer ever mentioned it before |
| 15:40.51 | fr33domlover | afaik i was always installing to MBR and it just worked |
| 15:44.29 | Hestben | fr33domlover: So, that is peculiar. Did you completely overwrite the hard drive when installing devuan with encrypted lvm, or did you re-use partition from an old install? |
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| 15:47.01 | fr33domlover | Hestben, I didn't format the drive with new data but I defined new LVM because unlike the Trisquel installer, Devuan's didn't recognize the existing encrypted volume for some reason |
| 15:47.08 | fr33domlover | Anyway trying a fresh install again now |
| 15:47.27 | fr33domlover | "expert install" just to have all the options |
| 15:47.49 | Hestben | fr33domlover: OK, so it possible, you screwed up something? |
| 15:48.06 | Hestben | fr33domlover: Are you doing a guided install? |
| 15:48.43 | fr33domlover | Hestben, I didn't do any tricks, just normall installation. No, I used manual partitioning scheme. The same one I already use in other computers |
| 15:49.00 | WhatThePfargtl | Hi all. Just installed a new system using devuan with KDE, and I'm having some issues where i'm getting a dialog asking for a root password. Most notably it happens when trying to mount a usb drive, but it also happens randomly for something that appears to be automatically updating my apt sources, as well as on startup for something called "packagekit" trying to establish a proxy connection. Also probably related to the issue |
| 15:49.02 | WhatThePfargtl | is that I uninstalled sudo. |
| 15:49.40 | Hestben | fr33domlover: OK, let's hope it works better this time, then. |
| 15:50.29 | fr33domlover | Hestben, I just want to get past the invalid UUID error and start debugging the next error I get XD |
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| 16:07.47 | armin | anyone here using the "command-not-found" package? seems to be broken here. |
| 16:08.11 | armin | http://paste.debian.net/902335/ |
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| 16:18.56 | KatolaZ | armin: what does the package do? |
| 16:19.39 | armin | KatolaZ: if you type the name of an un-installed program, it will tell you what command to run as root in order to install that program. |
| 16:19.59 | KatolaZ | oh, I see |
| 16:20.22 | KatolaZ | mmmhh |
| 16:20.26 | KatolaZ | it depends on apt-file |
| 16:20.43 | KatolaZ | and I know that there have been problems with apt-files |
| 16:21.16 | KatolaZ | (more precisely, with the translations of Packages.bz2, which are used by apt-file) |
| 16:21.25 | KatolaZ | so this might be the reason why it does not work |
| 16:21.35 | KatolaZ | I am not sure whether that problem has been solved, tough |
| 16:21.38 | KatolaZ | ~though |
| 16:21.47 | KatolaZ | so this might be inaccurate info |
| 16:21.49 | KatolaZ | sorry |
| 16:23.12 | armin | KatolaZ: it's a pretty decent pointer. thank you. |
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| 16:32.13 | ttr | WhatThePfargtl: for removable devices, you need to add policykit to allow for non root |
| 16:32.53 | ttr | WhatThePfargtl: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=34355 1st post there will work |
| 16:33.42 | WhatThePfargtl | ttr, thanks, and the other two? |
| 16:34.00 | ttr | possibly the same - and why did you remove sudo? :) |
| 16:34.14 | WhatThePfargtl | because i don't trust it. |
| 16:34.40 | WhatThePfargtl | also, it apparently reinstalled itself anyway as a dependency for something else. |
| 16:34.53 | fsmithred | WhatThePfargtl, in gtk-based desktops, there's a file used to set sudo-mode |
| 16:34.59 | fsmithred | I don't know what it is in kde |
| 16:35.01 | ttr | i have it, even when i'm not using in 99% |
| 16:35.18 | fsmithred | grep -r SU_TO_ROOT_SU .* |
| 16:35.22 | ttr | fsmithred: there is something similar |
| 16:35.45 | WhatThePfargtl | ttr, just having it means a malicious program in userspace might be able to get root access, no? |
| 16:36.00 | ttr | WhatThePfargtl: no |
| 16:36.22 | WhatThePfargtl | fsmithred, i'm not sure i fully understand what you're suggeting, would you mind elaborating? |
| 16:36.40 | ttr | WhatThePfargtl: in same logic, you would remove su :) |
| 16:36.58 | WhatThePfargtl | ttr, su requires the root password though. |
| 16:37.04 | ttr | also sudo |
| 16:37.12 | fsmithred | in xfce, I've got ~/.gconf/apps/gksu/%gconf.xml |
| 16:37.12 | ttr | unless you tell it to not |
| 16:37.19 | WhatThePfargtl | whatever, i didn't come here to debate the security of sudo, i came to fix a specfc problem |
| 16:37.24 | fsmithred | and in it is a setting for sudo-mode |
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| 16:37.38 | blinkdog | you can also configure (read: lock down) sudo |
| 16:37.41 | fsmithred | that setting depends on whether you use su or sudo |
| 16:37.47 | blinkdog | so that it can only run some commands as root |
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| 16:38.03 | blinkdog | and be entirely prohibited to some users / service accounts |
| 16:38.05 | fsmithred | maybe that setting didn't get changed when you removed sudo |
| 16:38.24 | WhatThePfargtl | ttr, about the polkit thing, that's a long post. are you referring to the part about creating /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/auto-mount.pkla? |
| 16:38.26 | fsmithred | grep for sudo-mode in your hidden directories |
| 16:38.32 | ttr | yes |
| 16:38.54 | WhatThePfargtl | fsmithred, it definitely did... i removed it with purge, sadly. |
| 16:39.18 | WhatThePfargtl | ttr, any idea how to add polkit stuff for the other two things i mentioned? |
| 16:39.49 | fsmithred | apt-get install policykit-1 |
| 16:40.15 | WhatThePfargtl | fsmithred, already installed |
| 16:40.18 | fsmithred | might need consolekit, too |
| 16:40.36 | ttr | fsmithred: pulled as deps |
| 16:40.50 | ttr | fsmithred: i was needed to add those files by hand (to mounts) |
| 16:40.56 | fsmithred | you got libpam-ck-connector? |
| 16:41.11 | ttr | WhatThePfargtl: for those, no. i du not use pkg managemnt from userland |
| 16:41.34 | WhatThePfargtl | ttr, after adding the polkit stuff, it mounts without root, but asks for root when i eject. |
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| 16:41.52 | ttr | not for me :) |
| 16:42.22 | WhatThePfargtl | "Action=org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-mount" is there perhaps an "Action=org.freedesktop.udisks2.filesystem-umount" that i also need to add or anything? |
| 16:44.04 | fr33domlover | Hestben, I did another installation. Same thing, it even complains about the exact same missing UUID |
| 16:44.18 | fr33domlover | I'll try installing cryptsetup... |
| 16:45.38 | WhatThePfargtl | ttr, even weirder is that while it asks for a password, it also seems to be ejecting anyway. it tells me i can remove the device, so i'm not sure what it's trying to do (unlink the mount dir maybe?) |
| 16:45.56 | fr33domlover | hmmm it's already installed, it seems |
| 16:46.00 | fr33domlover | :-/ |
| 16:46.07 | fr33domlover | gives up for today |
| 16:49.51 | WhatThePfargtl | where can i find documentation about what the polkit config file actually looks like? |
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| 17:42.23 | WhatThePfargtl | Anyone know why virtualbox (5.1) tells me the kernel module is not installed when I try to go start a machine? |
| 17:43.17 | fr33domlover | If I migrate from debian 8 to devuan, do I need to dist-upgrade? |
| 17:43.38 | blinkdog | WhatThePfargtl: It's not Devuan, but it might help http://askubuntu.com/questions/49059/unable-to-install-virtualbox-due-to-missing-kernel-module |
| 17:45.00 | blinkdog | fr33domlover: Maybe this can help https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=20 |
| 17:49.21 | WhatThePfargtl | blinkdog, devuan doesn't have a virtualbox-ose package |
| 17:52.17 | blinkdog | ahhh, indeed it does not |
| 17:52.21 | blinkdog | perhaps this? https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Kernel_driver_not_installed_.28rc.3D-1908.29 |
| 17:54.33 | WhatThePfargtl | also weird is that installing virtualbox-dkms tries to remove virtualbox-5.1 and install just plain virtualbox, which I know is 4.3 |
| 17:56.00 | WhatThePfargtl | i did all of that, still no luck. |
| 17:56.52 | blinkdog | it looks like you have to recompile the kernel module for 5.1 |
| 17:57.02 | blinkdog | but I don't know enough about VirtualBox to do that |
| 17:57.43 | WhatThePfargtl | dkms should do that for me, but like i said, for some reason trying to install virtualbox-dkms is trying to downgrade me to 4.3 |
| 17:57.58 | WhatThePfargtl | maybe it's a repo priority issue? |
| 17:58.19 | blinkdog | which repo does virtualbox 5.1 come from? |
| 17:58.27 | WhatThePfargtl | is it possible that both devuan and the vb repo both have that package and they're not playing nice? |
| 17:58.37 | WhatThePfargtl | the vb repo IINM. |
| 17:58.42 | WhatThePfargtl | how do i check for sure? |
| 17:59.18 | blinkdog | apt-cache policy virtualbox I think? |
| 18:00.57 | Leander256 | apt-cache showpkg virtualbox should give the info |
| 18:01.09 | Leander256 | though in an awkward way |
| 18:02.32 | WhatThePfargtl | yeah, the dkms is coming from devuan while the 5.1 package is coming from vb |
| 18:02.44 | WhatThePfargtl | is there some way to give one repo a higher priority than another? |
| 18:03.02 | WhatThePfargtl | (assuming the vb repo even has a dkms package) |
| 18:07.27 | blinkdog | I think in one of the files under /etc/apt/preferences.d you have to put a few lines |
| 18:07.57 | blinkdog | This post talks about how to do it for all packages |
| 18:08.38 | blinkdog | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=104#p104 |
| 18:08.40 | blinkdog | brb |
| 18:09.12 | WhatThePfargtl | thanks |
| 18:13.50 | fr33domlover | Hestben, guess what - I installed Debian 8 and I'm getting login prompt |
| 18:14.15 | fr33domlover | it asked for the LUKS password etc., perfect boot |
| 18:14.47 | fr33domlover | exactly the same installation process except it didn't ask about that EFI thing |
| 18:14.56 | fr33domlover | maybe this is a bug in Devuan installer? |
| 18:17.15 | golinux | fr33domlover: Could you please summarize this issue and post on git? Let me find you a link. |
| 18:18.25 | golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues |
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| 18:34.27 | fr33domlover | golinux, yeah, going afk soon but will do that later |
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| 19:10.57 | blinkdog | back |
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| 19:58.06 | WhatThePfargtl | blinkdog, still around? |
| 19:58.15 | blinkdog | yep |
| 19:58.54 | WhatThePfargtl | it seems that the vb repo doesn't even offer a dkms package |
| 19:59.09 | WhatThePfargtl | and the one in devuan doesn't like 5.1 |
| 19:59.34 | WhatThePfargtl | the 5.1 package also claims not to depend on dkms at all |
| 19:59.52 | WhatThePfargtl | but i don't see how it manages the kernel module in that cas |
| 19:59.55 | WhatThePfargtl | case* |
| 20:00.13 | WhatThePfargtl | i'm not even sure this is the right place to ask for help |
| 20:00.17 | WhatThePfargtl | but i'm not sure what is. |
| 20:00.18 | blinkdog | do they have a source package in the vb repo? |
| 20:00.28 | WhatThePfargtl | source for what? |
| 20:00.46 | blinkdog | for virtualbox |
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| 20:00.54 | blinkdog | as if to rebuild it from source |
| 20:01.09 | justinsm | I'm using virtualbox 5.1.10 on ascii, which has a dkms package. |
| 20:01.24 | WhatThePfargtl | justinsm, what's "Ascii" in this context? |
| 20:01.34 | justinsm | devuan testing |
| 20:01.43 | WhatThePfargtl | ah |
| 20:01.52 | WhatThePfargtl | yeah, testing would have a dkms for 5.1 |
| 20:01.58 | WhatThePfargtl | stable does not |
| 20:02.02 | WhatThePfargtl | not even in backports |
| 20:02.27 | WhatThePfargtl | wondering how much will break if i manually download the .deb from testing and run dpkg on it... |
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| 20:06.09 | fsmithred | WhatThePfargtl, is there some reason why you can't use virtualbox-5.0? |
| 20:08.59 | WhatThePfargtl | fsmithred, same issue. |
| 20:09.06 | WhatThePfargtl | the dkms package is for 4.3 |
| 20:09.31 | fsmithred | I have virtualbox-5.0 from virtualbox.org and dkms from stable |
| 20:09.48 | fsmithred | just took an upgrade on the vbox - let me make sure it still works |
| 20:10.01 | fsmithred | you don't need the virtualbox-dkms package |
| 20:10.38 | WhatThePfargtl | fsmithred, interesting. i can try that, although I would ideally like the latest version |
| 20:11.53 | fsmithred | 5.0 is close to 5.1 |
| 20:12.11 | fsmithred | and it just got some upgrades. I didn't look at a changelog, but it probably has whatever 5.1 has |
| 20:12.48 | fsmithred | and it stil works after upgrade |
| 20:13.00 | WhatThePfargtl | that's always nice to know :P |
| 20:14.11 | WhatThePfargtl | from a quick search, apparently windows guests run significantly better in 5.1 |
| 20:15.45 | WhatThePfargtl | either way, a working 5.0 is better than a broken 5.1 so... |
| 20:16.26 | fsmithred | looks like you can get the free 5.1 from backports |
| 20:16.48 | fsmithred | but if you need the one from oracle, you're stuck with 5.0 |
| 20:17.04 | fsmithred | I don't think they give you the source code to backport it yourself. |
| 20:17.11 | WhatThePfargtl | right |
| 20:17.27 | WhatThePfargtl | well, i just finished apting 5.0, so wish me luck |
| 20:17.37 | fsmithred | should work fine |
| 20:18.05 | WhatThePfargtl | well, it doesn't tell me version mismatch, but now I get a different error |
| 20:18.06 | fsmithred | good luck if you need to use usb - I can never seem to get that right. |
| 20:18.26 | WhatThePfargtl | something about the usb 2.0 contro- uhh, yeah. |
| 20:18.59 | fsmithred | error in vbox or during the install? |
| 20:19.14 | WhatThePfargtl | when i try to start one of my boxes. |
| 20:19.27 | WhatThePfargtl | Implementation of the USB 2.0 controller not found! |
| 20:19.28 | WhatThePfargtl | Because the USB 2.0 controller state is part of the saved VM state, the VM cannot be started |
| 20:19.32 | fsmithred | pretty sure you need the extension pack for usb |
| 20:19.50 | WhatThePfargtl | right. i'm being called for dinner though, so will take another crack after that |
| 20:20.01 | fsmithred | go into the settings for that vm and check the usb settings |
| 20:20.13 | fsmithred | ok, enjoy your meal |
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| 20:34.09 | OmegaPhil | nextime: Just FYI, I haven't ran away, I've managed to build a udisks2 package of 2.1.7 that at least fails in the same way the code does in a Debian Testing VM |
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| 20:34.59 | OmegaPhil | I've just asked the Debian package maintainers for feedback on those failures, but it feels like I'm in a position where I can successfully upgrade the package (and then do it again since another version has been made available) |
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| 20:50.42 | Centurion_Dan | what does it fail on? |
| 20:51.08 | Centurion_Dan | OmegaPhil: ^^ |
| 20:51.21 | OmegaPhil | sec |
| 20:51.54 | OmegaPhil | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=848269 |
| 20:52.13 | OmegaPhil | It looks like udisks2 is maintained, other bugs there have had feedback at least |
| 20:52.28 | OmegaPhil | Hopefully the problems will be considered trivial and I can ignore them |
| 21:01.58 | Centurion_Dan | so the issue is in the testsuite? |
| 21:02.21 | OmegaPhil | I don't think so (that would be really incompetent of the test script) |
| 21:02.41 | OmegaPhil | I had some dodgy behaviour from its polkit daemon stub thing but that was transient |
| 21:02.56 | Centurion_Dan | I've found alot of debian packages fail the testsuite and I suspect that they turn them of for the actual package build. |
| 21:03.00 | OmegaPhil | I suspect the issues in that bug are real, but probably unimportant for us |
| 21:03.14 | OmegaPhil | Yes, there is only a trivial testsuite ran automatically |
| 21:03.25 | OmegaPhil | integration-test seems to be from the Ubuntu maintainer I think |
| 21:03.28 | WhatThePfargtl | fsmithred, the issue with 5.1 was that i wasn't in the vboxusers group. |
| 21:03.32 | WhatThePfargtl | working now |
| 21:03.44 | OmegaPhil | Its much much better than the trivial automatic one, actually exercises drive modification code |
| 21:04.04 | OmegaPhil | read into how 'make check' works etc |
| 21:06.41 | Centurion_Dan | is the package in a state to build for devuan? |
| 21:07.24 | OmegaPhil | Unknown as of yet, but probably yes. Once I get an answer on these failures, I'll see if it installs and I can finally install gparted etc |
| 21:07.43 | OmegaPhil | Since the testsuite mainly works, I won't be doing any testing directly |
| 21:07.48 | Centurion_Dan | are you working in our gitlab? |
| 21:07.58 | OmegaPhil | Yes, but all changes are local atm |
| 21:08.17 | OmegaPhil | Do you want to take a look once I have something to show? |
| 21:09.18 | Centurion_Dan | if you push to either suite/experimental or suite/ascii-proposed, then we can build it in gitlab/ |
| 21:09.27 | golinux | <WhatThePfargtl> fsmithred, the issue with 5.1 was that i wasn't in the vboxusers group. |
| 21:09.42 | OmegaPhil | sure, but I@m not planning to do that until someone other than me in the project has a quick look at it though |
| 21:09.54 | OmegaPhil | Since building = real inclusion into the distro I think |
| 21:09.55 | fsmithred | yeah, I see that. duh. (Shoulda thought of that) |
| 21:10.35 | golinux | VB has been very cranky for me. I just checked and I was not in the vboxusers group! Hope this sorts things for me |
| 21:10.45 | golinux | Thanks. :) |
| 21:11.06 | fsmithred | should be worse than cranky if that's the case |
| 21:12.09 | blinkdog | Centurion_Dan: Where do I find packages that need maintainers? I'm interested to help out with that. |
| 21:12.52 | OmegaPhil | The SSH package looks like it needs a maintainer, its fallen behind upstream |
| 21:13.02 | golinux | fsmithred: Well, it kinda worked . . . |
| 21:13.24 | OmegaPhil | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/openssh/issues/12 |
| 21:13.40 | golinux | I'll have to play with it again when I'm in the right mood . . . |
| 21:14.35 | blinkdog | Thanks OmegaPhil: I'll have a look at that this coming weekend |
| 21:14.59 | OmegaPhil | Only a few packages have been forked, this is one I personally know about |
| 21:15.09 | fsmithred | remember to log out an in again after adding yourself to a group |
| 21:15.17 | OmegaPhil | I'm on ascii/Testing and there are a few broken packages affecting updating |
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| 21:16.31 | golinux | fsmithred: Thanks for reminding me |
| 21:17.01 | Centurion_Dan | blinkdog - there is a good overview of our process here: https://talk.devuan.org/t/os-documentation-how-to-package-for-devuan/568/10 |
| 21:17.17 | Centurion_Dan | and the following posts |
| 21:17.36 | blinkdog | "Sorry, you don't have access to that topic!" :-( |
| 21:17.37 | Centurion_Dan | OmegaPhil: unfortunately ascii hasn't been getting much love lately.. |
| 21:17.56 | OmegaPhil | Yeah, all eyes on Stable I guess |
| 21:18.07 | blinkdog | I guess that I lurk a little too much :-) |
| 21:19.51 | blinkdog | OmegaPhil: Basically openssh #12 is just making sure the Debian patch for the fix also plays nice in our fork? |
| 21:20.28 | OmegaPhil | I'm not really qualified to speak about this (only just got access to 'maintain' udisks2) |
| 21:20.37 | golinux | blinkdog: I'll post it on #dig-users. It's a bit long |
| 21:20.59 | OmegaPhil | I imagine you'd be bringing the package up to date with the Debian package, so checking if any new additions would bring in systemd cancer etc |
| 21:21.22 | OmegaPhil | Probably some Devuan-specific patches that <might> be broken or need refreshing perhaps |
| 21:22.46 | blinkdog | Right. Okay, I'll try to do that this weekend. Thanks! :-) |
| 21:23.04 | blinkdog | okay golinux: I'll catch you over there |
| 21:24.12 | WhatThePfargtl | golinux, are you the same person as fsmithred? |
| 21:25.31 | OmegaPhil | Centurion_Dan: I'm 'OmegaPhil' on discourse, can I have access to that topic you linked? |
| 21:25.56 | OmegaPhil | I've actually been using gbp on my own so far.. |
| 21:26.30 | golinux | WhatThePfargtl: No. Why would you think that? |
| 21:26.45 | golinux | We have been playing together for many years though . . . |
| 21:27.05 | WhatThePfargtl | golinux, wasn't sure cause you responded to my message to h(im/er) |
| 21:27.37 | golinux | OmegaPhil: I just posted it over at #d1g-users |
| 21:32.11 | WhatThePfargtl | golinux, and I misread h(is/er) line following that as being from you. |
| 21:32.41 | WhatThePfargtl | fsmithred, thanks for all the help! |
| 21:33.10 | hellekin | OmegaPhil: wait a sec |
| 21:34.02 | golinux | He's already got it at #d1g-users. |
| 21:34.14 | OmegaPhil | yep, just |
| 21:34.20 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: so is refracta packaged for devuan? |
| 21:34.30 | hellekin | OmegaPhil: now the whole doc-wg is accessible for all to see. |
| 21:34.34 | Centurion_Dan | er refracta-snapshot? |
| 21:34.46 | OmegaPhil | Great |
| 21:35.00 | blinkdog | hellekin: Thanks! I see it now! :-) |
| 21:35.30 | hellekin | Centurion_Dan: I guess you've read OmegaPhil's note on openssh in Devuan at https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/openssh/issues/12#note_7957 |
| 21:35.37 | hellekin | is Ben Walsh around? |
| 21:35.56 | OmegaPhil | its actually moved a few more versions in Debian too |
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| 21:43.30 | hellekin | I find it difficult to believe that Devuan maintains an outdated openssh package. I didn't look at it, but I have difficulties thinking that openssh has systemd dependencies that would prevent quick integration of patches from Debian or upstream. |
| 21:43.59 | hellekin | I see that as a problem of understanding of what it means to fork a package. It means maintaining it. |
| 21:46.40 | OmegaPhil | Ben seems to have done quite a few commits in February then stopped: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/openssh/commits/devuan/no-systemd |
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| 21:57.25 | WhatThePfargtl | blinkdog, thanks for all the help earlier. |
| 21:57.58 | blinkdog | No problem. I'm glad you got it worked out! :-) |
| 21:58.20 | WhatThePfargtl | me too. first time it hasn't taken weeks or months to get things the way i want |
| 22:00.08 | WhatThePfargtl | (to say nothing of the "screw it, I guess this feature isn't as important as i thought" category) |
| 22:01.43 | WhatThePfargtl | actually, i do have one thing like that right now, but it's so minor as to hardly be worth it. apparently deadbeef's gtk3 UI doesn't respect custom GTK colors (this was true on my old system as well, where I used the gtk2 option), but for some reason, gtk2 isn't appearing here. |
| 22:02.35 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, it's packgaged, but nothing special was done for devuan |
| 22:02.39 | WhatThePfargtl | i mean, if anyone knows anything about that, i'd love to fix this too, but if not... well... let's just say that if my priority for a music player had been "looks pretty" it would not have been deadbeef. |
| 22:04.44 | blinkdog | I don't know much about GTK colors / themes / etc. |
| 22:04.53 | blinkdog | So much to learn, not enough time! |
| 22:05.32 | WhatThePfargtl | blinkdog, nor do I. I tend to avoid GTK if at all possible, as I find it ugly and poorly organized. |
| 22:05.55 | WhatThePfargtl | blinkdog, unavoidable for certain apps with other critical features though |
| 22:06.04 | WhatThePfargtl | (pidgin, for instance) |
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| 22:30.55 | nextime | o/ |
| 22:31.15 | firegarden | o/ |
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| 22:41.51 | AntoFox | \o |
| 22:43.09 | Chanku | Hey |
| 22:46.06 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: is it in devuan yet? |
| 22:46.22 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: o/ |
| 22:46.23 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, sorry, I don't understand your question |
| 22:46.47 | fsmithred | refractainstaller, refractansnapshot and refracta2usb are packaged, but they aren't in any repo |
| 22:47.04 | fsmithred | how do I get them in? |
| 22:50.00 | WhatThePfargtl | fsmithred, meant to mention earlier how dumb it is that the message for "not in the right group" is "module not installed" |
| 22:50.00 | Centurion_Dan | talk to me ;-) |
| 22:50.19 | Centurion_Dan | are they in gitlab? |
| 22:50.29 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, no. |
| 22:50.47 | Centurion_Dan | are they in a git repo? |
| 22:51.07 | fsmithred | no, but I just started updating my github |
| 22:51.16 | fsmithred | old versions of installer and snapshot are there |
| 22:51.28 | fsmithred | but not properly laid out for packaging |
| 22:52.32 | fsmithred | WhatThePfargtl, gotta love messages like that. If nothing else, they challenge our ideas about reality. |
| 22:53.49 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, do you want me to add them to gitlab? I think I can figure out how to do that. |
| 22:54.45 | WhatThePfargtl | fsmithred, i mean, as dev, i understand HOW such a message would come about (if the program failed to access the file, it assumes the file doesn't exist), but really, an errno check can usually differentiate between a permission issue and a missing driver, and if nothing else, they could at least make the message more neutral like "either the driver isn't installed or you don't have permission to access it". |
| 22:54.52 | WhatThePfargtl | as a developer* |
| 22:55.08 | WhatThePfargtl | (not of vbox, just as a developer in general) |
| 22:55.19 | fsmithred | I agree |
| 22:55.34 | fsmithred | I try to put informative error messages in my scripts. |
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| 22:55.58 | fsmithred | otherwise, there's no point to having a message. |
| 22:56.08 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: if you prefer pushing to github, I'll clone it from there, but git.devuan.org is just as good. Just pick one and use it consistently so we can track updates. |
| 22:56.22 | fsmithred | ok |
| 22:56.28 | WhatThePfargtl | as do i. occasionally i find that some other edge case than i thought of can lead to a certain error, but if that happens, i update either the handling or the message accordingly. |
| 22:56.29 | kwadronaut | hi, leaseweb mirror is mentioned twice on the front page. Don't know how/where to edit that page. |
| 22:56.33 | fsmithred | I'll stick with github for now |
| 22:57.03 | Centurion_Dan | and use tags to tag versions, as eventually we will use tags to trigger automated merge and build. |
| 22:57.16 | fsmithred | I don't know anything about tags |
| 22:57.39 | Centurion_Dan | `man git tag` :-) |
| 22:57.43 | WhatThePfargtl | anyway, gotta go reboot again. thanks for all the help! see ya around! |
| 22:57.46 | fsmithred | ok |
| 23:00.00 | Centurion_Dan | it's a way to identify release versions in git without having to have a separate branch for each version. Ideally you should gpg sign your tags as that also secures all the commits for later verification to ensure somebody hasn't tried to slip malicious commit in... |
| 23:01.05 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, does it make a difference if I use 'DEBIAN' or 'debian' directory? I build debs two different ways - 'dpkg-deb' (easy way) or 'debuild' (using lintian and pbuilder, I think.) |
| 23:02.56 | fsmithred | or another way to ask the question - better to have all the program files in one directory and an install file to say where they go, or put the files in a directory tree? |
| 23:05.01 | Centurion_Dan | the standard is "debian/", but leave that to me to sort for devuan. |
| 23:05.40 | fsmithred | installer and snapshot are already like that. refracta2usb uses DEBIAN. |
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| 23:07.50 | Centurion_Dan | I'd rather have it without any debian specific packaging anyway so that we do the packaging work in devuan specifically - (you should do that in separate branches if you wanted to package it anyway). |
| 23:08.14 | fsmithred | ok, that makes sense |
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