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| 01:23.28 | arPh04 | I have just come to know of dev1.. this brings me much joy. |
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| 02:04.23 | mystified1234 | Hi guys, is Zfs install an option with Devuan ? |
| 02:13.46 | Artemis3 | arPh04 its looking good so far |
| 02:14.00 | blinkdog | This article talks about how to do it on Debian 8.1: |
| 02:14.01 | blinkdog | https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-install-and-configure-zfs-on-debian-8-jessie/ |
| 02:14.31 | blinkdog | The directions can probably be customized for Devuan |
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| 02:15.46 | Artemis3 | probably works as is |
| 02:15.51 | Artemis3 | but its post install method |
| 02:16.12 | Artemis3 | (add a repository, download patched kernel, download utils, make partition, etc) |
| 02:16.45 | mystified1234 | @Artemis |
| 02:16.48 | mystified1234 | Thanks |
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| 02:17.19 | mystified1234 | what about will gnome 3 work without SysD |
| 02:17.39 | n4dir | it does in funtoo |
| 02:17.58 | Artemis3 | needed patching yes? |
| 02:18.02 | mystified1234 | interesting. |
| 02:18.33 | mystified1234 | Prob with the " TOO's" you spend all day downloading the internet. |
| 02:18.56 | Artemis3 | devuan is patching various packages to remove the systemd entanglement, but i have not even tried gnome xD |
| 02:18.57 | mystified1234 | It would be nice to have some Binary pkgs. |
| 02:19.18 | Artemis3 | maybe its working i just haven't tried |
| 02:20.38 | Artemis3 | hmm task-gnome-desktop is in the list of forked packages |
| 02:20.44 | mystified1234 | fed up with SysD. But i prefer the eye candy of gnome 3 or Pantheon . Unfortunately . There is not much out there without Sys D |
| 02:21.35 | mystified1234 | ok.. I'll look into that. |
| 02:21.37 | Artemis3 | ill try tomorrow at the workpĺace if gnome3 is working, it appears to |
| 02:22.02 | Artemis3 | https://devuan.org/os/packages/list/forked-from-debian |
| 02:22.02 | mystified1234 | Are you one of the "Dev" |
| 02:22.07 | Artemis3 | nah |
| 02:22.15 | Artemis3 | they come sometimes |
| 02:22.22 | Artemis3 | xD |
| 02:22.24 | blinkdog | I'll try task-gnome-desktop in my VM |
| 02:22.31 | mystified1234 | thanks. |
| 02:22.37 | Artemis3 | yes good idea |
| 02:22.44 | Artemis3 | can't you try it mystified1234 ? |
| 02:22.47 | mystified1234 | I'm currently experimenting with Trueos. |
| 02:22.55 | mystified1234 | I will. |
| 02:23.23 | mystified1234 | with ZFS. |
| 02:23.38 | mystified1234 | I'll give it a go. |
| 02:23.40 | Artemis3 | if you do the install there is a point where you get tasksel (desktop environment) you can pick below other desktops i think gnome was there |
| 02:23.50 | mystified1234 | But I'm not much of a techie. |
| 02:24.00 | blinkdog | task-gnome-desktop isn't working for me |
| 02:24.08 | mystified1234 | I have no training of any sort in computers. |
| 02:24.14 | Artemis3 | oh zfs would have to be done afterwards... leave unpartitioned the place intented for zfs |
| 02:24.40 | Artemis3 | blinkdog, interesting |
| 02:24.46 | mystified1234 | ok.. so ext 3 or 4 then more less it's copy to zfs |
| 02:25.04 | Artemis3 | always ext4 xD dont use 3 |
| 02:25.10 | mystified1234 | ok. |
| 02:25.29 | Artemis3 | i think... you would need to leave / in ext4 |
| 02:25.51 | Artemis3 | in short you won't make it at install time, but later |
| 02:26.09 | Artemis3 | suppose you use a small hd to install, then you add a big hd, and use zfs with that (or an array) |
| 02:26.10 | mystified1234 | I'm starting to like the Zfs of Bsd, so I'd like to test the comparability opf being able to share data between the zfs. |
| 02:26.31 | blinkdog | The following information may help to resolve the situation: |
| 02:26.32 | blinkdog | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 02:26.32 | blinkdog | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.32 | blinkdog | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.32 | blinkdog | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:26.32 | blinkdog | E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. |
| 02:26.35 | Artemis3 | freebsd lets you zfs at install time, but linux has license isues |
| 02:27.09 | Artemis3 | oh i see maybe gnome its still not ready xD |
| 02:27.18 | Artemis3 | but kde works xD |
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| 02:27.43 | mystified1234 | yes.. But Antergos , it's installer lets you install from scratch. |
| 02:27.52 | mystified1234 | But they use sysD |
| 02:28.36 | Artemis3 | im guessing we need vdev and recompile all that stuff using the udev lib etc... |
| 02:29.55 | mystified1234 | now you guys are getting to tech for me.. |
| 02:30.04 | mystified1234 | looked it up As the successor of devfsd and hotplug, udev |
| 02:30.25 | Artemis3 | xD |
| 02:30.45 | Artemis3 | thing is udev was chained to systemd |
| 02:31.00 | Artemis3 | so a replacement is needed for the software using it |
| 02:31.15 | mystified1234 | 'understand. Thks |
| 02:32.42 | mystified1234 | How long before a "official release" |
| 02:32.50 | mystified1234 | of Devuan |
| 02:32.58 | Artemis3 | dbus i think is also involved, there are a bunch more someone more expert could tell you , OR watch this conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMvyOGawNwo |
| 02:33.28 | mystified1234 | thanks @ Artemis |
| 02:33.42 | Artemis3 | i think he says in 2017, beta2 just came out |
| 02:34.06 | mystified1234 | why the name " Artemis" |
| 02:34.17 | mystified1234 | do u have greek background |
| 02:34.32 | Artemis3 | long story, but nah |
| 02:35.20 | mystified1234 | Thks. |
| 02:35.25 | mystified1234 | Nice name |
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| 02:43.16 | blinkdog | I want to be a dev/maintainer for Devuan. I'm an old hat at software, but new to the Debian workflow |
| 02:43.46 | blinkdog | So still trying to wrap my brain around it all |
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| 09:14.35 | AntoFox | o/ |
| 09:17.41 | AntoFox | comunication service |
| 09:17.46 | AntoFox | soon it will be available I will upload on my git cinnamon for devuan Jessie |
| 09:19.57 | AntoFox | obviously need it must be tested by more people |
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| 09:42.35 | enyc | AntoFox: hrrm ooi howso do you find cinnamon more useful than MATE in practice on debian with experienced user sorts? |
| 09:58.34 | AntoFox | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.57 | AntoFox | debian, ubuntu, etc are not only used on the server, some distro such as linuxmint or debian itself are also used for other purposes |
| 09:59.42 | AntoFox | for example, in the office legal, o like media player in some bar |
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| 10:00.13 | AntoFox | for this purpose some user prefer "modern" desktop like gnome-shell or cinnamon |
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| 10:08.21 | javi2343425 | Hi, i have been using devuan some days ago, everything goes very well, but recently i need to use a package in Backports |
| 10:08.59 | javi2343425 | so i use the repository that appear in the web of devuan here https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan-stable-backports.list |
| 10:09.41 | javi2343425 | once i enable the backports repo and do and apt-get update, half of my system want to upgrade with the packages in the Backport repo |
| 10:10.17 | javi2343425 | This behavior dont happen in wheezy where with a console command i choose only one package from that repo |
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| 11:29.47 | aitor | hi |
| 11:30.12 | aitor | this weekend i tried to build linux-libre-4.7.10 |
| 11:30.38 | aitor | a lot of packages built succesfully, but one failed |
| 11:31.14 | aitor | surelly because i removed dh-systemd fron the buildeps |
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| 11:31.42 | aitor | i'll try it again |
| 11:32.13 | aitor | if it fails, no worries... i have the 4.6 release |
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| 11:34.31 | aitor | i will build a very minimal image contining just openbox, simple-netaid, vdev, the dinamical menu for tint2 and the device-manager |
| 11:35.24 | aitor | for testing purposes, i will also include vdev-assistant, of course |
| 11:37.31 | aitor | i'm going to buy some vegetables, see you :) |
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| 11:40.45 | aitor | the device-manager doesn't work in the beta of gnuinos because fdisks needs SUID permissions |
| 11:40.45 | Centurion_Dan | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.19 | aitor | i have in mind to develop a gtk device-manager using udisks, since it works with vdev |
| 11:42.02 | aitor | Centurion_Dan is aphonic, he can't speak |
| 11:42.24 | aitor | bye :) |
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| 11:44.11 | aitor | i want to say udisks, not fdisk |
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| 11:51.24 | fsmithred | javi2343425 is gone? You need to pin backports. Centurion_Dan - see https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/58#note_8046 |
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| 16:12.48 | PnUic | hi |
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| 19:19.06 | jaromil | golinux: web forum link added on website |
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| 20:09.03 | Artemis3 | jaromil, i'd love to know your plans for a devuan based dyne:bolic xD |
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| 20:14.12 | jaromil | Artemis3: its a bit early now. I'll follow the work being done by parazyd on HEADS |
| 20:14.26 | jaromil | and adopt our SDK which is getting ready |
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| 21:17.55 | fsmithred | has anyone here tried booting the unofficial live amd64 iso? |
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| 23:10.47 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: I'm going to start working on desktop-base and clearlooks-phenix-purpy, so I'd be keen for your help with regards to what you had to do to fix things there. |
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| 23:19.13 | golinux | jaromil: Thank you! Apologies for the late response. Have been in bed all day. Maybe the flu. |
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| 23:22.13 | fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, I'd be glad to help |
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| 23:24.44 | fsmithred | right now replacing the amd64 unofficial live iso, because it didn't boot. My bad - I thought I tested it. |
| 23:25.05 | fsmithred | later tonight, I can make notes on what I copied where. |
| 23:25.36 | fsmithred | (it's 6:30pm here right now) |
| 23:26.16 | AntoFox | what about to tryng this version of my theme? https://git.devuan.org/nioanto/devuan-flat-theme |
| 23:27.17 | fsmithred | golinux might hit me with a 2x4 |
| 23:27.50 | fsmithred | oh sorry, forgot you guys are all metric. |
| 23:28.12 | fsmithred | think... big stick. |
| 23:33.40 | fsmithred | AntoFox, where are the files? |
| 23:36.11 | fsmithred | or a screenshot? |
| 23:36.25 | golinux | AntoFox: Because there is a default Devuan theme |
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| 23:37.42 | AntoFox | fsmithred: this is the files https://git.devuan.org/nioanto/devuan-flat-theme/tree/master |
| 23:38.52 | AntoFox | golinux: I meant as a base from which start |
| 23:41.00 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: we still call it a 2x4 ;-) even though we're metric. I did a stint as a chippie on my own house :-P |
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| 23:41.54 | fsmithred | metric might give a more accurate size - they aren't 2x4 anymore. |
| 23:42.34 | fsmithred | AntoFox, I got a 404 error |
| 23:44.06 | AntoFox | :O |
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| 23:44.09 | AntoFox | strange |
| 23:44.28 | Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: actually here it is 4x2... or 100x50 (generalised size of the rough sawn timber, they're actually 95mmx45mm dressed). |
| 23:45.47 | Centurion_Dan | AntoFox: Once we have desktop-base sorted, we can turn your theme into a fork of that with your content. |
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| 23:48.34 | AntoFox | Centurion_Dan: ok |
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