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| 00:19.52 | aitor | Lydia_k, wulllst: Openbox <3 |
| 00:20.03 | fsmithred | aitor, hi |
| 00:20.11 | aitor | hi |
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| 00:20.39 | aitor | aitor, aka brokenfingers |
| 00:20.43 | aitor | lol |
| 00:20.49 | fsmithred | how's your hand? |
| 00:20.57 | aitor | well :) |
| 00:21.54 | aitor | i only broken the fingertips |
| 00:22.10 | fsmithred | when you're up for typing a little more, I'd like to talk to you about debian-installer |
| 00:22.25 | aitor | ok |
| 00:22.59 | aitor | today i saw the video about devuan beta2 |
| 00:23.16 | aitor | the conference of jaromil |
| 00:23.17 | fsmithred | oh yeah, I forgot to go looks |
| 00:23.26 | fsmithred | look |
| 00:23.50 | fsmithred | did you hurt your fingers in the garden? |
| 00:24.00 | aitor | there is also another familiar face in the video |
| 00:24.07 | fsmithred | ? |
| 00:24.13 | fsmithred | LP? |
| 00:24.43 | aitor | lol, you have advanced |
| 00:25.00 | fsmithred | seriously? |
| 00:25.05 | fsmithred | I was just kidding. |
| 00:28.36 | fsmithred | brb |
| 00:28.53 | aitor | i repeat: there is a familiar face in the video |
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| 00:46.00 | Xenguy | Does anyone have a link to the video aitor mentioned? |
| 00:48.46 | golinux | Xenguy: It's in here: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20161129.234923.fc51a377.en.html |
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| 00:55.55 | Xenguy | thanks golinux :) |
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| 01:04.13 | tuxd3v | hi guys |
| 01:04.55 | tuxd3v | the new amd64 image... I think is has the kernel modules compiled for a previous kernel :( |
| 01:05.05 | tuxd3v | at lest the wireless ones.. |
| 01:05.41 | tuxd3v | least |
| 01:05.53 | fsmithred | why do you think that, tuxd3v? |
| 01:06.07 | tuxd3v | because I tried it... |
| 01:06.14 | tuxd3v | I made a install.. |
| 01:06.37 | tuxd3v | and in the install faze I would not be able to detect network.. |
| 01:06.49 | tuxd3v | not ethernet and not wireless cards.. |
| 01:06.56 | fsmithred | what wireless card? |
| 01:07.07 | fsmithred | it didn't find eth0? |
| 01:07.19 | tuxd3v | after I tried a instalation and I drop in ash she'll to test.. |
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| 01:07.38 | tuxd3v | I made a dmesg to see why me network was gone.. |
| 01:07.48 | fsmithred | I don't know why, but the beta2 installer is not recognizing wireless |
| 01:07.58 | tuxd3v | and the dmesg erros send me in the direction of |
| 01:08.10 | tuxd3v | modules compiled to a previous version |
| 01:08.24 | tuxd3v | other than 3.16 |
| 01:08.51 | blinkdog | in the forums, there was a thread about files missing from the firmware directory |
| 01:09.29 | blinkdog | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=66 |
| 01:09.34 | fsmithred | I tried installing the wireless package in chroot and modprobing it, but the installer still didn't see the wireless |
| 01:09.37 | tuxd3v | cfg80211:Unknown Symbols wireless_nlevent_flush |
| 01:09.47 | tuxd3v | this is the error message |
| 01:10.06 | tuxd3v | true |
| 01:10.17 | tuxd3v | I tried by hand in the initramfs |
| 01:10.28 | tuxd3v | and I have no luck :( |
| 01:10.41 | tuxd3v | I saw realtek modules there |
| 01:10.59 | fsmithred | I've got a realtek, too |
| 01:11.17 | tuxd3v | which is my card, but still the firt beta image works nice..the second dont |
| 01:11.38 | fsmithred | hm, maybe I should update one of my installs on that laptop and see if it breaks wireless |
| 01:11.47 | Xenguy | This 45-minute video is a great watch so far - kudos! |
| 01:12.34 | tuxd3v | I think, I don't know, because in initramfs we have few options, but I think the modules are there |
| 01:12.44 | tuxd3v | maybe some missing I don't know |
| 01:13.33 | tuxd3v | but to me they have beem compiled to a previous kernel version.. I have fight with the system for hours loading kernel modules and libs for them but with no luck |
| 01:15.04 | tuxd3v | thanks blinkdog, for the update |
| 01:15.46 | tuxd3v | maybe it's the firmware files that is faulty |
| 01:16.30 | tuxd3v | another thing: does any one notice the expiration of certificates on devuan yestarday? and some files updated today? |
| 01:16.50 | tuxd3v | on download section? |
| 01:17.19 | blinkdog | on the DNG list, jaromil said it was a cronjob glitch and was fixed |
| 01:17.49 | tuxd3v | há ok then |
| 01:17.58 | tuxd3v | thanks for the update |
| 01:23.39 | tuxd3v | fsmithred, you can try, and you will see, go in the instalation faze |
| 01:23.51 | tuxd3v | untill detect network hardware |
| 01:24.01 | tuxd3v | it will not detect |
| 01:24.13 | fsmithred | yeah, I know |
| 01:24.18 | tuxd3v | more it will only detect loopback interface |
| 01:24.20 | fsmithred | I'm going to try something else |
| 01:24.31 | fsmithred | I have a live-cd that has the wireless packages on it |
| 01:24.47 | fsmithred | I'm going to try installing that |
| 01:25.15 | fsmithred | no, I can't |
| 01:25.22 | fsmithred | maybe tomorrow |
| 01:26.22 | fsmithred | the iso is i386 but won't do uefi |
| 01:26.30 | fsmithred | and the wireless is on uefi laptop |
| 01:27.13 | tuxd3v | on i386 I haven't checked |
| 01:27.14 | fsmithred | no, my install wanted to use eth0 |
| 01:27.24 | tuxd3v | I only tested in amd64 |
| 01:27.29 | fsmithred | actually, I have done a netinstall on that laptop, amd64 |
| 01:27.50 | fsmithred | I used the CD-1 image first time, then DVD second time |
| 01:28.07 | fsmithred | second one I used a mirror |
| 01:28.20 | tuxd3v | I will test a netinstall too see if is ok ;) |
| 01:28.59 | tuxd3v | I tried a mirror but without network, no luck on amd64 |
| 01:29.07 | tuxd3v | :( |
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| 01:29.31 | fsmithred | sorry, but I have to ask - you're sure you have an ethernet port? |
| 01:32.45 | tuxd3v | hehe no problem about the question :) |
| 01:33.02 | tuxd3v | yes I have ethernet port and wireless too :) |
| 01:33.53 | tuxd3v | I am downloading the Netinstall version I will test if it is ok ;) |
| 01:35.04 | blinkdog | i'm installing the beta1 and beta2 images into virtual machines |
| 01:35.08 | blinkdog | i'll see if I can find anything |
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| 02:30.53 | blinkdog | didn't find any smoking guns, but unfortunately i've gotta go |
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| 02:58.07 | tuxd3v | Hi, I tried beta 2 netinstall and I have the same problem.. |
| 02:58.17 | tuxd3v | no network |
| 02:58.43 | tuxd3v | on beta 1 it was ok |
| 02:58.57 | tuxd3v | ok cya |
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| 03:12.14 | Xenguy | tx tuxd3v |
| 03:12.19 | Xenguy | for the report |
| 03:12.45 | tuxd3v | no problem |
| 03:13.30 | tuxd3v | maybe ethernet is ok, but with wireless cards, I can't detect them I get always |
| 03:14.19 | tuxd3v | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:14.33 | tuxd3v | that I can see on dmesg |
| 03:14.43 | tuxd3v | it was ok in beta1 |
| 03:15.37 | tuxd3v | maybe it's ok on vistualmachines, Nada ethernet |
| 03:15.49 | tuxd3v | I haven't tested ethernet only wireless |
| 03:16.03 | Xenguy | That is good to know, and check back in, maybe someone will have more questions? |
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| 03:36.15 | fsmithred | I rebooted my installation (the one I manually installed wireless from the .deb file) and the wireless is working. |
| 03:36.33 | fsmithred | doesn't matter that the installer didn't see it. |
| 03:36.50 | fsmithred | And I recall needing to reboot on previous installations to get the realtek driver to work. |
| 03:37.12 | fsmithred | BTW, I had to install wicd. It didn't get installed with the desktop. |
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| 03:56.40 | Xenguy | TODO: Bundle in wicd |
| 03:57.52 | Xenguy | IIRC wicd was bundled in to the beta1 installation I'm working with now |
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| 04:08.43 | fsmithred | yeah, I think it was |
| 04:09.07 | fsmithred | maybe netinstall gives different from DVD install? |
| 04:11.04 | Chanku | Night all |
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| 04:30.46 | wulllst | hi, i would like to create a wiki page giving a more or less detailed overview of available openbox themes to prepare for sanely packaging them for devuan. where could i put that? |
| 04:45.54 | wulllst | ok, neither the freindsofdevuan wiki, nor talk.devuan.net grants new users wrte access. while i do get the idea behind that, it also makes me sad. |
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| 08:56.32 | aitor | g'morning |
| 08:57.56 | aitor | coming back in a few minutes |
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| 09:18.07 | MaxBord | wheather i use this sources on devuan: |
| 09:18.13 | MaxBord | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main |
| 09:18.13 | MaxBord | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main |
| 09:18.13 | MaxBord | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main |
| 09:18.28 | MaxBord | and contrib and non-free |
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| 09:30.41 | aitor | 4:40 in boston, so fsmithred is asleep |
| 09:30.51 | aitor | 4:30 |
| 09:35.01 | aitor | this weekend i'll build the beta2 of gnuinos-server with linux-4.7.8 and vdev |
| 09:35.56 | aitor | yesterday fsmithred said that he wanted to talk with me about debian-installer |
| 09:36.32 | aitor | my fingers are broken, but i can write |
| 09:37.24 | aitor | my left hand is free and i use the eraser of a pencil with my right hand :) |
| 09:41.35 | aitor | bones will weld quick, i hope |
| 09:41.46 | aitor | the third phalanges are small |
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| 10:35.37 | aitor | need to go, see you |
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| 14:10.44 | nextime | o/ |
| 14:14.49 | telst4r | \o |
| 14:15.09 | buZz | \o/ |
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| 14:55.07 | aitor | \o |
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| 14:57.16 | golinux | \o/ |
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| 15:02.18 | aitor | and roger |
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| 15:09.47 | aitor | i just registered in the forum: |
| 15:09.49 | aitor | https://dev1galaxy.org/login.php |
| 15:10.03 | golinux | aitor: Yes I just saw you there |
| 15:10.13 | golinux | :) |
| 15:10.38 | aitor | i'll keep in mind chillfan's suggestion about the installer in expert mode |
| 15:11.54 | aitor | NewGnuGuy: David Hare? |
| 15:12.14 | golinux | Looks like the devuan rebels are collecting there (along with hundreds of 'fake' registrations. |
| 15:12.47 | buZz | forums is way too millenial |
| 15:12.59 | buZz | might as well open a subreddit while you're at it :P |
| 15:13.54 | golinux | David Hare = dzz |
| 15:14.14 | aitor | ok |
| 15:14.56 | aitor | jordila = gnu_srsX |
| 15:14.58 | golinux | buZz: There be no reddit etc on the forum |
| 15:15.07 | buZz | reddit is a forum |
| 15:15.36 | golinux | I never saw it that way. |
| 15:16.17 | buZz | i cant ever not see a forum :P |
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| 15:16.53 | golinux | Guess you won't be joining us. ;) |
| 15:18.24 | aitor | i rectify: they have the same realname, but different countries, so maybe not to be the same |
| 15:19.42 | buZz | golinux: if i wanted to write a book with 29834798327 other people, i would join |
| 15:19.48 | buZz | but i dont see any value in that, no ;) |
| 15:20.22 | golinux | LOL! See you here then . . . |
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| 15:20.28 | buZz | ;) |
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| 15:48.48 | Vall | howdy everyone |
| 15:48.56 | Vall | so, congrats all around for Beta2 |
| 15:49.13 | Vall | Running Beta1 on a couple of machines, so far everything is great. |
| 15:49.36 | Vall | Should I upgrade to Beta2? In that case, how? "apt-get dist-upgrade" does it? |
| 15:52.53 | debdog | <furrywolf> unless I'm mis-understanding something, the beta 2 is just the current state of the repositories, not a separate thing. If you've been updating regularly, you pretty much already have it. |
| 15:53.46 | Vall | debdog: did furrywolf ask the same question I did? |
| 15:54.02 | debdog | he replied to someone asking that question |
| 15:54.33 | Vall | ahhh |
| 15:54.34 | Vall | OK |
| 15:55.06 | Vall | so a simple "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" would do it, right? |
| 15:55.14 | debdog | yes |
| 15:55.47 | Vall | OK, thanks debdog |
| 15:56.23 | Vall | That's how I like things: no drama, no fuzz no muzz ;-) Devuan does it that way again. |
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| 16:11.43 | hellekin | Vall: this is exactly why communicating about Devuan is difficult: most of the things are non-events :) |
| 16:12.03 | Vall | hellekin: I like non-events a lot ;-) |
| 16:12.19 | Vall | Perhaps some emphasis could be put into this. |
| 16:12.23 | Vall | Like a press-release |
| 16:13.44 | hellekin | this is how devuan-editors are supposed to work, upstream from the non-event. Sometimes the non-event just happens before communication is done though. :| |
| 16:13.46 | Vall | "we just released Devuan Beta2. If you already run Beta1 and do a "apt-get upgrade" to keep your packages up to date, do you know what you need to do? NOTHING. This is why Devuan is superior for sysadmins and conscientious users alike" |
| 16:14.08 | Vall | LOL |
| 16:14.16 | Vall | Well, post-communicate it then ;-) |
| 16:15.10 | hellekin | I'd love to. Maybe I could ask the DNG list about what changed in beta2 :] |
| 16:18.11 | jaromil | we may add "no news is good news" on the webpage :^) |
| 16:18.39 | Vall | LOL |
| 16:18.49 | Vall | Any VUA knows that "no news is good news". |
| 16:19.09 | jaromil | its one of my golden mottos in life, esp. professional life |
| 16:19.26 | Vall | What we need to do is to teach this to the not-so-Veteran-or-not-so-Unix-Admin |
| 16:19.45 | Vall | seriously |
| 16:20.36 | Leander256 | I've read that the beta2 network install now works as expected, I'll try that soon, but it would be interesting to know what else was fixed/improved |
| 16:20.59 | Vall | the Phoronix newspiece about Beta2 was like "Devuan after 2 years produces 2nd beta" |
| 16:21.05 | Leander256 | or was it the opposite |
| 16:21.08 | jaromil | Leander256: most prominent fix was the installer |
| 16:21.15 | Vall | ie, like Devuan was far behind instead of ahead |
| 16:21.35 | jaromil | and the infrastructure behind to correctly provide -security and -backports |
| 16:22.09 | jaromil | Vall: phoronix had much harsher tones against us in the past, i think some irony is acceptable |
| 16:22.17 | Vall | LOL |
| 16:23.24 | Vall | I have a question re: Refracta Linux |
| 16:23.53 | jaromil | true we could go faster with some more funding or sponsors, but anyway time is useful since we really like to call things with their name, stable should really be stable |
| 16:24.02 | jaromil | so to say, systemd should also be considered beta IMHO |
| 16:24.18 | Leander256 | I think that Devuan just keeps the old Debian tradition of taking its sweet time to do something :) |
| 16:24.20 | Vall | Systemd should be considered Alpha |
| 16:24.23 | jaromil | but modesty is definitely not among their qualities |
| 16:24.58 | golinux | Vall: Refracta? |
| 16:25.04 | Vall | Refracta, being based on Devuan, would automatically move ahead to Beta2 just with "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade", right? |
| 16:25.06 | Vall | yeah |
| 16:25.10 | Vall | http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/ |
| 16:26.04 | golinux | I may be jumping the gun but . . . new unofficial devuan-live isos: |
| 16:26.04 | golinux | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/ |
| 16:26.27 | golinux | A live iso or the Beta2 |
| 16:26.36 | golinux | or > of |
| 16:26.50 | furrywolf | so are we still developing jessie directly, or are the improvements now going into ascii first? |
| 16:27.26 | golinux | The Refracta derivative is a modified Devuan |
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| 16:28.49 | Vall | thanks folks |
| 16:28.51 | Vall | gotta go |
| 16:28.56 | Vall | waves |
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| 16:48.46 | jaromil | outstanding review of refracta on linuxinsider http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Refracta-80-Is-a-Pint-Sized-Powerhouse-84129.html congrats fsmithred all well deserved (5 stars!!) |
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| 17:12.05 | fsmithred | Jack Germain, if you're here, thanks for the great review of Refracta. |
| 17:13.20 | debdog | (although you misspelled Jessie ;)) |
| 17:19.44 | golinux | WOW! Great review!! |
| 17:20.31 | fsmithred | jaromil, have you tried booting the new unofficial isos? |
| 17:20.34 | fsmithred | hi golinux |
| 17:23.11 | fsmithred | 60 downloads before it was even announced - nice to see that people are paying attention to what's going on. |
| 17:23.32 | golinux | fsmithred: Morning |
| 17:27.50 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: Is the an official torrent for the latest Refracta ISOs? |
| 17:28.20 | fsmithred | What torrent is that? |
| 17:28.38 | NewGnuGuy | s/the/there |
| 17:28.41 | fsmithred | oh, sorry, havning some trouble reading green text |
| 17:29.04 | fsmithred | I haven't made any torrents for Refracta isos or for the unofficial Devuan-Live isos. |
| 17:29.38 | golinux | Everything is here: |
| 17:29.42 | golinux | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/ |
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| 17:32.28 | fsmithred | NewGnuGuy, if I do make a torrent file, do you know what I do with it to get it out there? |
| 17:33.32 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 17:34.34 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: just add the .torrent file to the downloads section of the Refracta website/SourceForge page. |
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| 17:39.07 | gnu_srs2 | fsmithred: Congrats :) |
| 17:40.03 | Achylles | Any chance for Devuan becoming a rolling-distro in the future? |
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| 17:41.58 | golinux | Achylles: Want rolling? Use testing (currently ascii) |
| 17:43.58 | Achylles | is sid working as well? |
| 17:45.30 | golinux | In Devuan sid = ceres. At your own risk, of course . . . ;) |
| 17:46.41 | golinux | Devuan stable is well . . . STABLE! |
| 17:50.22 | Achylles | thx |
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| 18:13.48 | fsmithred | thanks, gnu_srs2 |
| 18:14.35 | fsmithred | NewGnuGuy, it just occurred to me that I could make a torrent file that points to the copy on sf instead of a copy on my little computer at home. |
| 18:14.40 | fsmithred | at least, I think so. |
| 18:14.58 | fsmithred | not sure how to do that |
| 18:18.16 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: I think that's called a web seed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent#Web_seeding |
| 18:18.28 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 18:22.11 | fsmithred | NewGnuGuy, you want it for Refracta iso or for unofficial Devuan-Live iso? i386 or amd64? I'll try one. |
| 18:24.03 | NewGnuGuy | Refracta ISOs for i386 & amd64, please |
| 18:24.14 | fsmithred | ok |
| 18:24.15 | Artemis3 | woot torrentz xD |
| 18:26.02 | Artemis3 | i had a friend attempt unsuccesfully the testing branch xD told him to stick to stable for devuan atm |
| 18:29.38 | justinsm | I'm using testing on my thinkpad T400 - everything works and it's awesome. |
| 18:30.15 | justinsm | Not too hard to get working either |
| 18:31.01 | justinsm | Mostly intel parts in there though. |
| 18:34.43 | justinsm | used beta2 netinstall image via wired ethernet |
| 18:36.27 | justinsm | thanks VUA, I was starting to despair with the state of debian. |
| 18:36.59 | fsmithred | justinsm, you installed ascii from the beta2 iso? |
| 18:37.19 | justinsm | with a dist-upgrade |
| 18:37.21 | fsmithred | or did you install jessie and upgrade to ascii? |
| 18:37.23 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 18:38.00 | fsmithred | that was working better than direct on the beta 1. I didn't try it with beta2. |
| 18:39.13 | Artemis3 | justinsm, it worked? ill experiment later |
| 18:39.34 | justinsm | did a minimal install to start with |
| 18:39.54 | justinsm | then installed task-mate-desktop |
| 18:40.06 | Artemis3 | before or after moving to testing? |
| 18:40.12 | justinsm | after |
| 18:40.15 | Artemis3 | ok |
| 18:41.03 | Artemis3 | noticed kdm in the task-kde-desktop, wonder if that breaks in ascii? |
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| 18:41.52 | aitor | hi |
| 18:41.56 | fsmithred | hi |
| 18:42.38 | aitor | fsmithred: you wanted to tell me somethig about d-i, isn't it? |
| 18:42.50 | aitor | congrats |
| 18:43.04 | fsmithred | I would like to discuss putting the debian installer on the unofficial devuan-live isos |
| 18:43.23 | fsmithred | is there a good howto I could read about that? |
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| 18:43.36 | fsmithred | so that we can have an intelligent discussion |
| 18:43.55 | minnesotags | AHA! I see there are updated image on the repository. But the read.me doesn't describe the changes. What's new? |
| 18:43.57 | fsmithred | right now, I'm struggling to open a dropbox account |
| 18:44.19 | minnesotags | I would struggle opening a dropbox account too.... |
| 18:44.23 | fsmithred | minnesotags, install from media instead of netinstall now works |
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| 18:44.44 | aitor | there are a lot of posts in themailing list |
| 18:44.46 | fsmithred | it looks like the only way to open an account is through my gmail |
| 18:44.58 | fsmithred | dng? |
| 18:45.00 | aitor | but i can do a howto, or better a script |
| 18:45.08 | aitor | yes |
| 18:45.52 | fsmithred | ok |
| 18:46.00 | aitor | today i've been thinking about the possibility of doing a program in shell or c, or both for that |
| 18:46.08 | fsmithred | cool |
| 18:46.14 | aitor | it would be included in the SDK |
| 18:46.33 | Artemis3 | you still single handed? take it easy |
| 18:46.35 | fsmithred | d-i installs everything from deb or udeb files? |
| 18:48.12 | aitor | Artemis3: i'm playing darts with my left hand |
| 18:48.21 | DusXMT | would think udeb files are only temporary and for the d-i live system itself, since you can't uninstall them? |
| 18:49.02 | aitor | DusXMT: not for the live sissions |
| 18:49.09 | aitor | sessions |
| 18:49.42 | aitor | the udeb packages are only for d-i |
| 18:49.52 | aitor | they are not installed in the target |
| 18:50.15 | DusXMT | Well, that's what I meant; by "live system" I meant the system that gets booted off the CD to run d-i |
| 18:50.28 | DusXMT | s/CD/bootable medium/ |
| 18:50.30 | aitor | ok :) |
| 18:51.16 | aitor | i've been also thinking about the possibility of a repository containing various kernels |
| 18:52.32 | aitor | this part of the SDK would generate the dist, pool and install folders of the iso |
| 18:54.25 | aitor | i would make some changes on live-installer-udeb and grub-install-udeb |
| 18:55.46 | aitor | grub-install-udeb fails with a minimal chroot jail (i'm referring to live-systems), because some dependencies are missing |
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| 18:56.45 | aitor | debian live-systems include some deb packages like lvm2, cryptsetup, ... |
| 18:57.00 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 18:58.05 | aitor | but i only include grub-pc, grub-pc-bin, grub-common and grub2-common |
| 18:58.26 | golinux | Artemis3: This just posted to the new Devuan forum: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=73#p73 |
| 18:58.46 | golinux | Upgrading from Jessie to ASCII |
| 18:59.01 | muep | what is SDK in this context? AFAIK most GNU/Linuxes also work as their own SDK in the sense that packagers are expected to run the distro and the distro has all the necessary tools for developing and packaging |
| 18:59.12 | aitor | golinux. off-topics to #debianfork, we are talking about my fingers |
| 18:59.18 | Artemis3 | interesting |
| 18:59.22 | Artemis3 | lol |
| 19:00.16 | aitor | need to go to another computer in another place. i'll try to build linux-libre-4.7.10 |
| 19:00.20 | aitor | see you |
| 19:00.22 | golinux | Artemis3: You might also want to look at this classic: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=20 |
| 19:00.26 | fsmithred | bye, thankis |
| 19:00.31 | aitor | bye |
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| 19:09.16 | Achylles | can I upgrade to testing with "apt dist-upgrade" -> do I have to edit sources.list before? |
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| 19:14.07 | golinux | Achylles: See links posted maybe 20 lines up. |
| 19:14.31 | golinux | always runs stable :) |
| 19:16.41 | Achylles | i know, you told me ascii |
| 19:17.31 | Achylles | but, should I replace jesse in my sources.list to ascii? |
| 19:23.06 | golinux | It it should say in those howtos. My guess is that sources need to be changed |
| 19:23.32 | golinux | to ascii |
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| 20:30.46 | fsmithred | NewGnuGuy, are you still here? |
| 20:30.53 | nextime | o/ |
| 20:31.00 | fsmithred | hi nextime |
| 20:31.02 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: indeed |
| 20:31.14 | fsmithred | I can't figure out how to make a webseed torrent |
| 20:31.16 | nextime | Achylles: take care that ascii is at the moment probably the least to be used for devuan |
| 20:31.26 | nextime | are we are focusing in jessie release right now |
| 20:31.32 | fsmithred | if you can figure it out, here's the link to the amd64 |
| 20:31.35 | fsmithred | https://www.dropbox.com/sh/o6beuup2tbor8k1/AAA5E39l8a4orV3q2flcDi5wa?dl=0 |
| 20:32.18 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: Thanks, I'll see what I can figure out |
| 20:32.20 | nextime | and who like me is more "up to date" tend to use ceres |
| 20:32.44 | fsmithred | I found a nice howto for doing it in uTorrent |
| 20:32.53 | nextime | ascii will have more care after jessie release |
| 20:33.12 | fsmithred | but it's not in the repo |
| 20:33.30 | fsmithred | and apparently, you can't do it with transmission |
| 20:33.39 | nextime | utorrent isn't in our repos? |
| 20:33.47 | nextime | isn't it free software? |
| 20:33.58 | fsmithred | doesn't come up when I aptitude search torrent |
| 20:34.12 | nextime | so, it isn't in debian yet? |
| 20:34.30 | NewGnuGuy | Try qBittorrent. It's designed to be a lot like utorrent. And unlike utorrent, qBittorrent is free software. |
| 20:35.36 | Achylles | nextime, thx4the warning |
| 20:35.42 | Achylles | :) |
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| 20:41.26 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: I know qBittorrent is in the Ubuntu repos, so I would assume it's also in the Debian/Devuan repos. |
| 20:41.45 | fsmithred | NewGnuGuy, here's a link to the torrent file. Please try it and let me know if it works. If so, I'll do the same for i386 and I'll put the torrent files with the isos at sf |
| 20:41.51 | fsmithred | http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/misc/refracta8_amd64.torrent |
| 20:42.02 | fsmithred | yeah, it's in the repo, installed and done with it already. |
| 20:42.06 | fsmithred | thanks for the tip. |
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| 20:53.57 | Xenguy | seconds the qbittorrent suggestion... |
| 21:01.14 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: So the .torrent file is a valid torrent file, but the web seed isn't working; however, I think that is more the fault of how Dropbox is setup. Try setting the web seed instead to the files on SourceForge (or a new zip on SourceForge). |
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| 21:09.44 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:15.18 | fsmithred | NewGnuGuy, I replaced the torrent file. Please try again. |
| 21:17.28 | fsmithred | brb |
| 21:22.41 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: That works! :) |
| 21:23.15 | fsmithred | cool |
| 21:23.36 | fsmithred | I'll do it again and put them up on sf |
| 21:27.18 | NewGnuGuy | I would recommend including the .md5 & .asc files with the .isos in the torrents for sf |
| 21:28.48 | fsmithred | if I do that, don't I have to include the whole folder? |
| 21:29.09 | fsmithred | or I can add files individually? |
| 21:29.27 | fsmithred | lemme try again. I would like to include the md5 and asc files |
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| 21:34.11 | NewGnuGuy | I think you can add the files individually. |
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| 21:36.04 | fsmithred | yeah, done. |
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| 21:38.55 | fsmithred | that was pretty easy. I'll make torrents for the unofficial live |
| 21:39.34 | NewGnuGuy | Torrents for everyone! :D |
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| 21:49.57 | fsmithred | done! |
| 21:50.08 | fsmithred | Thanks for the help. That turned out to be easy. |
| 21:51.29 | fsmithred | I didn't know about webseeds. I found the torrent files for refracta-606 (squeeze) and I recall that I had to seed from my hard drive with my dsl connection. That didn't last long. |
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| 22:14.07 | Artemis3 | qbittorrent if you need the ui, but there are lots of choices that use libtorrent, rtorrent comes to mind for console |
| 22:14.43 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: Ok I see a problem with the 64bit Refracta torrent. You included the URLs for all three files in the list of sources for the webseeds, but in the list of actual contents of the torrent you only have the .asc listed. I.e. the torrent client is told to look for seeds of the .asc file (and no other files) in three different server locations. |
| 22:14.48 | fsmithred | gui tends to be faster when I don't know what I'm doing |
| 22:15.03 | Artemis3 | some people simply buy a shell somewhere and use that as "seed box", but since your content is also hosted on the web, a web seed makes perfect sense |
| 22:15.37 | fsmithred | I added all three files and all three urls. |
| 22:15.46 | Artemis3 | also if you seed yourself, you should use super seed mode, and slow down the upload and limit the number of connection so you can actually do something else xD |
| 22:15.48 | fsmithred | the i386 is ok? |
| 22:16.07 | NewGnuGuy | checking |
| 22:17.17 | Artemis3 | publish magnet links and you don't even need to host .torrent files |
| 22:17.54 | Artemis3 | but its common to leave the .torrent next to the .iso files in the web/ftp whatever |
| 22:18.06 | NewGnuGuy | i386 has same problem except it doesn't even have the iso url in web seeds list. |
| 22:18.08 | Artemis3 | so people connect and know they could use that instead of regular dl |
| 22:18.10 | fsmithred | good. That what made sense to me. |
| 22:18.43 | fsmithred | ok, I'm gonna do it again, but I'm only going to include the iso. THe other files are small and can be downloaded directly. |
| 22:19.59 | Artemis3 | yeah i think each iso should have its own torrent xD |
| 22:22.31 | NewGnuGuy | if the iso asc and md5 are in the same torrent, there is less likelihood of them getting separated. |
| 22:23.43 | Artemis3 | do note that torrents have their own checksumming |
| 22:26.42 | NewGnuGuy | Artemis3: I know, but that only takes the place of the md5, not the asc (If I understand correctly). |
| 22:27.59 | Artemis3 | you may have noticed the other distros don't bother and only put the isos |
| 22:28.38 | Artemis3 | but it doesnt hurt if you do, it would be redundant at worst xD |
| 22:33.14 | fsmithred | ok, they're all replaced |
| 22:36.03 | Artemis3 | NewGnuGuy, also this: http://natmchugh.blogspot.com/2014/10/how-i-created-two-images-with-same-md5.html |
| 22:36.13 | Artemis3 | which is why some started doing sha1sum and others instead |
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| 22:38.41 | NewGnuGuy | Yeah, md5 really is only good for determining if the file downloaded correctly, not determining if the correct file was downloaded. |
| 22:40.07 | NewGnuGuy | fsmithred: Refracta 64 torrent works |
| 22:40.17 | fsmithred | yay. Thanks. |
| 22:40.31 | fsmithred | you're downloading it now? |
| 22:41.14 | fsmithred | how do I start seeding from my copy here? |
| 22:41.31 | fsmithred | I've added the files and it says it's seeding, but there are no connections. |
| 22:41.35 | Artemis3 | i think torrent uses sha1 to verify each piece xD |
| 22:41.51 | fsmithred | Do I need to open a port for it? |
| 22:42.14 | Artemis3 | with web seed? i doubt you need to be in the swarm xD |
| 22:42.31 | fsmithred | no, I was thinking of seeding from local machine |
| 22:42.34 | fsmithred | while I'm here |
| 22:42.50 | fsmithred | got pretty good up speed here |
| 22:43.02 | Artemis3 | in that case you also don't need to open a port, but it would lead to a bit slower propagation (cant connect both peers with blocked ports) |
| 22:43.35 | Artemis3 | dont worry, someone else with the open port can and will pass the blocks xD |
| 22:44.51 | Artemis3 | you can be as slow as you want, it only affects the first share, then its all in the swarm you could even leave it xD |
| 22:44.55 | NewGnuGuy | Refracta 32 torrent too |
| 22:45.06 | fsmithred | great! |
| 22:45.32 | Artemis3 | some other can volunteer their great bandwidth and seed |
| 22:45.55 | fsmithred | I just want to see some action in qbittorrent |
| 22:46.13 | Artemis3 | publish in the dev1 forum? |
| 22:46.22 | fsmithred | done |
| 22:46.25 | fsmithred | also dng |
| 22:46.43 | Artemis3 | lemme get xD |
| 22:46.45 | fsmithred | so basically what you're saying is that I can't have the instant gratification I want |
| 22:46.54 | Artemis3 | lol |
| 22:47.19 | fsmithred | it's ok, I can watch the download count at sf |
| 22:48.45 | NewGnuGuy | one USA peer on amd64 |
| 22:48.56 | Artemis3 | ill open i386 |
| 22:50.08 | NewGnuGuy | At the very start I saw a Taiwanese peer on 64 for a few seconds. One of y'all from Taiwan? |
| 22:51.00 | Artemis3 | hmm |
| 22:52.50 | Artemis3 | this tracker... |
| 22:53.46 | Artemis3 | is not connecting, how about using http://linuxtracker.org/ instead (or in addition to) |
| 22:54.03 | Artemis3 | should eventually fall back to dht but still |
| 22:54.15 | fsmithred | I'll try adding it |
| 22:54.54 | fsmithred | it said updating then not working |
| 22:54.54 | NewGnuGuy | Belgium on 32 |
| 22:57.57 | Artemis3 | NewGnuGuy, there are many bots roaming around for whatever reason |
| 22:59.07 | NewGnuGuy | Well, that just makes bittorrent country bingo easier. :P |
| 22:59.46 | Artemis3 | oh thats not the actual tracker url xD its their web page |
| 23:01.43 | Artemis3 | hmm maybe you could upload the devuan logo xD |
| 23:06.21 | Artemis3 | fsmithred, where did you got the udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80/announce tracker url? |
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| 23:12.42 | fsmithred | Artemis3, I think I copied that from some instructions for using uTorrent with dropbox |
| 23:13.23 | Artemis3 | the instructions are very old, that old tracker url i think is no longer valid, check their current ones: https://openbittorrent.com/ |
| 23:13.32 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 23:13.34 | Artemis3 | but if you can use the linuxtorrent tracker even better |
| 23:13.47 | fsmithred | I have to make new torrent files for that? |
| 23:14.03 | Artemis3 | you can edit the torrent file |
| 23:14.11 | Artemis3 | don't remember if qbittorrent can |
| 23:14.17 | fsmithred | I'll try |
| 23:14.23 | Artemis3 | to replace/add trackers etc |
| 23:14.30 | fsmithred | won't be too bad to re-do them while everything is still open |
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| 23:16.00 | Artemis3 | the page looks a bit dubious, i know they were shutdown in the past maybe you should stick to linuxtorrents xD |
| 23:17.04 | Artemis3 | http://linuxtracker.org/ |
| 23:17.06 | Artemis3 | sorry |
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| 23:23.29 | fsmithred | I'll have to redo them |
| 23:26.59 | blinkdog | Is there a bug/feature list that marks Jessie completion? |
| 23:27.02 | blinkdog | I found: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/releases/jessie |
| 23:27.16 | blinkdog | But I didn't know if there was a more complete list or not |
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| 23:36.05 | Artemis3 | fsmithred, yeah i was unable to even start the download xD tell me when you switch the tracker to re dl the torrent |
| 23:47.18 | fsmithred | Artemis3, files have been replaced with the new tracker |
| 23:48.17 | Artemis3 | ill check |
| 23:57.49 | Artemis3 | fsmithred, http://www.mepis.org/docs/en/index.php?title=Creating_a_torrent |
| 23:58.12 | Artemis3 | if you want to use linuxtracker you must register, create the torrent as explained, upload to them and then download it again |
| 23:58.50 | Artemis3 | pay attention to step2 |
| 23:59.54 | fsmithred | what's the advantage of using linuxtracker rather than opentracker? |