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| 06:10.11 | AntoFox | Centurion_Dan: for mate-1.4 or cinnamon-3? |
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| 06:39.11 | AntoFox | what error it returns?? |
| 06:39.29 | AntoFox | mate came from github |
| 06:40.50 | AntoFox | cinnamon, cjs, cinnamon-session taken from debian, all the rest from github |
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| 07:40.01 | edbarx | ASCII / Firefox opening "https://devuan.org/" ---> Your connection is not secure |
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| 07:45.14 | Hestben | edbarx: Looks like the certificate has expired. |
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| 08:15.05 | Manis | Hi. Not sure if this is the right place to mention this, but the SSL certificate on devuan.org has run out today. Should be replaced :-) |
| 08:17.39 | Hestben | Manis: It has been mentioned here, and I guess the server admins are asleep (different time zone). So I guess they will be updated soon. |
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| 10:42.41 | Centurion_Dan | both. A list of packages that we need to fora and a patchset would be good. |
| 10:43.17 | Centurion_Dan | AntoFox: ^^^ |
| 10:43.26 | Centurion_Dan | s/fora/fork/ |
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| 10:56.45 | Centurion_Dan | Hestben: It seems to be fixed now... |
| 10:57.00 | Centurion_Dan | o/ jaromil |
| 10:57.30 | Hestben | Centurion_Dan: Yeah, it looks like that. Nice |
| 10:58.37 | Hestben | Ah, it's using letsencrypt, and they only give certificates that are valid 3 months |
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| 11:03.20 | Centurion_Dan | yup, royal pain in the posterior... |
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| 13:51.30 | fsmithred | I'm in the middle of a beta2 install, and I want to install the wireless firmware directly from the deb file. What command could I use to install a .deb file if dpkg is not available? Or do I need to get past tasksel first? |
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| 13:55.54 | KatolaZ | fsmithred: dpkg should already be available in the target partition.... |
| 13:56.02 | KatolaZ | IIRC |
| 13:58.52 | fsmithred | the installer tells me that it's running dpkg |
| 13:58.59 | fsmithred | but in console, I can't find it |
| 13:59.17 | fsmithred | it's not in /bin and not in /sbin and trying to run it results in "not found" |
| 13:59.45 | fsmithred | I need to run it in a chroot? |
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| 14:00.55 | Chanku|Mobile | Oh yeah. dpkg is in /use/bin |
| 14:00.59 | Chanku|Mobile | *usr |
| 14:01.02 | fsmithred | oh, thanks |
| 14:04.15 | fsmithred | yeah, it's in /target/usr/bin/ |
| 14:05.00 | fsmithred | I copied /cdrom/firmware/* to /target/lib/firmware/ then chroot /target and dpkg -i firmware-realtek-blah.deb |
| 14:05.12 | fsmithred | now I'm trying to get back to the network detection |
| 14:15.41 | KatolaZ | yes fsmithred |
| 14:15.56 | KatolaZ | dpkg is one of the first things that gets into /target |
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| 14:17.04 | fsmithred | yeah, I think I'm gonna have to play with this later. Tasksel is doing its thing, and I have to go. |
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| 14:27.56 | fsmithred | ok, tasksel finished, I modprobed the wireless driver in the chroot and went back to network hardware detection, and it still didn't see the wireless adapter. |
| 14:28.00 | fsmithred | bbl |
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| 14:33.56 | DusXMT | Ugh, I'm too late... one can extract .deb packages with ar |
| 14:34.25 | DusXMT | (and within there'll be a couple of control files, and a tarball with the actual installed files) |
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| 14:57.08 | ttr | IIRC that deb neeeds to be added to anna (to use it during instalation) |
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| 16:41.55 | PnUIC | hi |
| 16:46.46 | pydsigner | Hi |
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| 18:13.08 | AntoFox | justin in case, there is an admin (italian speakers) of ci devuan ??? |
| 18:13.14 | AntoFox | now |
| 18:13.18 | AntoFox | plz |
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| 18:27.21 | Artemis3 | AntoFox, jaromil? xD |
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| 18:28.52 | AntoFox | Artemis3: non risponde |
| 18:29.12 | AntoFox | see tomorrow |
| 18:29.31 | AntoFox | hi to all |
| 18:29.37 | fsmithred | hi |
| 18:29.45 | fsmithred | oh. bye. |
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| 20:09.55 | wulllst | are there plans for a package of mdm display manager in devuan jessie? |
| 20:11.38 | crash_ | will devuan rebase on stretch this year? i mean now when jessie version is gonna be stable next year? |
| 20:11.52 | crash_ | this year i mean 2017 ofcoruse |
| 20:11.55 | crash_ | ofcourse |
| 20:13.12 | wulllst | crash_: as far as i have heard (in here), plans are to get out the first stable release (jessie) by the end of this year. |
| 20:14.38 | crash_ | wulllst: nice |
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| 20:25.35 | MaxBord | hello |
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| 20:25.46 | MaxBord | is devuan bether than debian |
| 20:26.07 | MaxBord | there is broadcom pack for wireless |
| 20:26.09 | MaxBord | ? |
| 20:26.14 | MaxBord | is there? |
| 20:26.50 | MaxBord | is there bcm43142 driver for devuan? |
| 20:27.14 | MaxBord | i will try devuan but thinking :/ |
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| 20:30.49 | wulllst | MaxBord: is there such a package in debian? |
| 20:31.33 | wulllst | ok, there is. |
| 20:33.19 | MaxBord | i use debian unofficial |
| 20:33.27 | MaxBord | and there is |
| 20:33.37 | wulllst | let me'have a look |
| 20:33.39 | MaxBord | bcmwl_kernel |
| 20:33.42 | MaxBord | something |
| 20:34.41 | wulllst | well, there is a "broadcom-sta-dkms" package in debian stable, oldstable, testing and sid: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=broadcom&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all&sourceid=mozilla-search |
| 20:35.33 | wulllst | and yes, the package is in the current devuan repos according to apt-cache search in my devuan system |
| 20:35.47 | MaxBord | yes, great |
| 20:35.48 | MaxBord | ! |
| 20:36.16 | MaxBord | and do i have to change sources.list for nonfree |
| 20:36.53 | MaxBord | i downloading devuan |
| 20:37.15 | wulllst | yes. it's in the nonfree tree |
| 20:37.33 | MaxBord | super, thank you |
| 20:37.49 | MaxBord | i hope so that is devuan in distrowatch :) |
| 20:38.20 | wulllst | by the way: devuan really need a more convenient way to search for th availability of packages in the repos online. something like packages.debian.org. |
| 20:38.55 | wulllst | MaxBord: by saying you were using debian "unofficial", did you mean debian sid? |
| 20:39.19 | MaxBord | yes debian sid |
| 20:39.32 | wulllst | why would you use that? |
| 20:39.38 | MaxBord | no no |
| 20:39.44 | MaxBord | i use jessie |
| 20:39.58 | crash_ | i think he mean the unofficial jessie netinstall.iso |
| 20:40.05 | wulllst | ok, that is the official stable release then. |
| 20:40.14 | wulllst | crash_: didn't know that existed |
| 20:40.49 | crash_ | wulllst: it contains all the firmwares, that is the only change and non-free enabled |
| 20:40.59 | MaxBord | https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.6.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/ |
| 20:41.01 | MaxBord | this |
| 20:41.13 | wulllst | ok, i see. |
| 20:42.19 | MaxBord | why in distrowatch picture is xfce and not gnome? |
| 20:42.34 | MaxBord | xfce is suck :) |
| 20:42.44 | MaxBord | gnome default must be |
| 20:43.30 | wulllst | MaxBord: you can choose your de during installation |
| 20:44.19 | wulllst | MaxBord: i can very much recommend the mate desktop. |
| 20:44.55 | crash_ | mate is what i'm running :) |
| 20:45.41 | wulllst | crash_: the only thing that's missing, is mdm. and that's sort of rough |
| 20:47.28 | crash_ | lightdm does the work as well :) |
| 20:48.24 | wulllst | crash_: well, i don't really like it (and it's licensing policy). |
| 20:49.01 | wulllst | crash_: also, it seems to be hard to customize, as it only seems to accept gtk3 themes. |
| 20:49.11 | crash_ | yeah that is true |
| 20:49.20 | wulllst | crash_: and have you tried to change the icon theme in lightdm? |
| 20:49.35 | crash_ | i dont't care so much about it, i just use it to login to mate and nothing else |
| 20:50.46 | MaxBord | i dont know for me gnome is very well |
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| 20:51.14 | MaxBord | two click more :) |
| 20:51.20 | MaxBord | activites |
| 20:51.25 | MaxBord | and places |
| 20:51.32 | MaxBord | and clean desk |
| 20:51.40 | crash_ | and locked down :) |
| 20:52.01 | MaxBord | yes |
| 20:53.12 | MaxBord | ok thank you guys |
| 20:53.29 | wulllst | MaxBord: ŵelcome |
| 20:54.53 | nextime | o/ |
| 20:55.27 | wulllst | wonders what o/ could possibly mean |
| 20:56.11 | nextime | wulllst: think about someone waveing with an arm to say "hello" :) |
| 20:56.24 | wulllst | got it, thanks |
| 20:56.45 | wulllst | talking of mate and gnome, has anyone looked into the trinity desktop? it's like the mate approach in the KDE world, trying to keep KDE 3.5 working. |
| 20:57.16 | nextime | there was someone trying it on top of devuan some time ago |
| 20:57.22 | nextime | but i don't really know anything about it |
| 20:57.29 | nextime | ( as for any other DE ) |
| 20:58.03 | wulllst | nextime: well, i just stepped on it accidentally yesterday |
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| 21:01.53 | crash_ | trinity i have never heard of that project :) |
| 21:02.57 | wulllst | https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ |
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| 21:04.50 | crash_ | i see |
| 21:05.22 | crash_ | i have never been a kde fan, gnome2 > i tested gnome3 but did't like it so i went to > mate :) |
| 21:05.58 | Lydia_K | It's funny, I never much liked kde, but I look at trinity now and I'm like "Look at that, a traditional and very functional desktop" |
| 21:06.15 | Lydia_K | I never thought I would say that, but modern DE's have gone crazy. |
| 21:06.25 | crash_ | yeah |
| 21:06.39 | crash_ | to much bling-bling |
| 21:06.47 | Lydia_K | And the wrong bling |
| 21:06.53 | wulllst | i used kde 3 when i first started with linux. |
| 21:08.10 | crash_ | trinity looks like something i could try actually |
| 21:08.26 | wulllst | maybe it can be a package in devuan some time in the future |
| 21:08.43 | Lydia_K | All the opengl with the cube desktop and those fancy effects was on the right path, pretty stuff on top of function |
| 21:08.54 | Lydia_K | but then they dumped the "function" part |
| 21:08.57 | Lydia_K | and then the pretty part |
| 21:09.06 | Lydia_K | and now it's just an abomination |
| 21:09.37 | crash_ | i will always pick a functional desktop over a "fancy effects" one |
| 21:10.10 | Lydia_K | I'm with you 100% |
| 21:10.19 | Lydia_K | Openbox <3 |
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| 21:11.37 | wulllst | i'm using pure openbox on my main machien as well. |
| 21:12.44 | crash_ | i use mate and i3-wm :) |
| 21:17.13 | nextime | uses plain old openbox, when it starts X. |
| 21:17.50 | crash_ | i have not tried openbox but it seems like a bit to setup, a panel and such |
| 21:18.27 | Lydia_K | I'm not big on panels, on my work box I'm currently using xfsettingsd and xfce4-panel, but I'm going to get rid of that when I stop being lazy |
| 21:18.34 | wulllst | crash_: i don't use a panel. i have found the very nice solution of putting the openbox menu on the windows key. |
| 21:19.01 | wulllst | that is "super-l" in proper speech, i think. |
| 21:19.27 | nextime | well, i don't use a panel too. I just have ctrl-t that open a terminal, and that's all what i need. |
| 21:19.43 | Lydia_K | https://notabug.org/theflash/xsimplepager |
| 21:19.48 | Lydia_K | pager! |
| 21:19.56 | Lydia_K | I do love a good pager. |
| 21:20.07 | crash_ | wulllst: and just alt-tab to switch apps? |
| 21:20.31 | wulllst | crash_: right, and Crtl+Alt+Tab to switch desktops. |
| 21:21.14 | crash_ | wulllst: doesn't sound that bad actually |
| 21:22.51 | Lydia_K | I have alt-tab do the windows on the current workspace and mod4+tab do all windows across all workspaces |
| 21:23.44 | wulllst | crash_: i also diabled some mouse guestures and some key bindings i wouldn't need. it' pretty primitive, but works really well. |
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| 21:30.22 | crash_ | wulllst: nice :) |
| 21:31.04 | crash_ | hmm i added backports to my devuan machine now, and did an apt update, now it want's to upgrade everything that backports have, that doesnt sound right? backports should not take over like that |
| 21:31.25 | wulllst | crash_: did you add that during install? |
| 21:31.49 | crash_ | nope, i added it after the install |
| 21:32.07 | wulllst | crash_: oh, well let mee see if my machien does the same. |
| 21:32.13 | crash_ | on regular debian you need to specify -t jessie-backports example |
| 21:32.39 | crash_ | maybe it's a just a bug |
| 21:32.47 | wulllst | crash_: yes. i know that there is a bug in the expert install, when you select it there, it behaves exactly like you described. may have been fixed by now though. |
| 21:35.02 | golinux | My advice is to not enable backports unless you need a specific package |
| 21:35.51 | golinux | It can bring a working environment to its knees rather quickly if wide open. |
| 21:36.32 | crash_ | yeah :) |
| 21:37.17 | crash_ | but under regular debian i could use apt -t jessie-backports install xorg-xserver-intel and firmware-linux-nonfree and it did not call on all the backport updates :) |
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| 21:39.17 | wulllst | crash_: hey, i just checke the behavior of my devuan installation with backports |
| 21:39.31 | wulllst | it does act normal |
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| 21:40.37 | crash_ | that is weird i got that but your system is fine :) |
| 21:41.46 | wulllst | crash_: no, wait. i completely got things wrong here. |
| 21:42.18 | wulllst | crash_: mixed up backports with nonfree. stupid me... |
| 21:42.51 | crash_ | oh |
| 21:42.54 | crash_ | :) |
| 21:43.32 | wulllst | crash_: well then this is probably that bug, i mentioned eralier. which seems to point out that it is not a bug within the installer |
| 21:45.55 | crash_ | wulllst: can you test to add jessie-backports to your sources.list and do a update and see if says you have upgrades? and then remove backports lines of you don't need them :) |
| 21:45.55 | wulllst | wishes he was a programmer sometimes... |
| 21:46.42 | wulllst | yes, i will have to put my network cable into the other machine, but i can do this. |
| 21:46.56 | wulllst | will take a moment. |
| 21:47.18 | wulllst | what is the backport sline for devuan again? |
| 21:48.27 | crash_ | wulllst: https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan-stable-backports.list i used these |
| 21:48.28 | wulllst | btw, if i remeber right, the problem is one with APT's pinning prefrences |
| 21:48.43 | crash_ | oh that is maybe the bug i have encounterd |
| 21:48.57 | crash_ | backports takes over |
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| 21:50.03 | wulllst | crash_: so, you could fix that "bug" (more a misconfiguration) by simply copiyng the apt pinning prefs standard from debian. (which should probably be done by the devuan dev too) |
| 21:50.44 | wulllst | ok, disconnecting for a second or two... |
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| 21:51.47 | crash_ | wulllst: thanks for the help :) |
| 21:54.37 | wulllst | crash_: well, yes, backports tends to take over, if you add it to your sources.list |
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| 21:56.38 | crash_ | yeah but that is the wrong approach :) but i'm sure the pinning will be fixed before devuan release iso |
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| 21:59.42 | wulllst | well, as far as i can see it's not an official issue on devuan's git. |
| 22:01.05 | crash_ | ok |
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| 22:03.15 | wulllst | but it seems to have a topic in here several times (if you look at the irc archive: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=backports) |
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| 23:43.55 | wulllst | where can i find a guide on packaging for devuan? |
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| 23:50.11 | blinkdog | wulllst, I'm not sure if a devuan specific guide exists yet, but you could start with: https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging |
| 23:52.34 | blinkdog | this link may also be relevant: https://talk.devuan.org/t/a-curiosity-about-new-packages/473/2 |
| 23:52.44 | wulllst | blinkdog: i just foudn this: https://talk.devuan.org/t/devuan-maintainer-workflow/146. and it rather confused me |
| 23:52.56 | wulllst | ok. looking into that |
| 23:53.54 | blinkdog | yeah, that's more of a delta over the Debian packaging |
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| 23:54.18 | blinkdog | so the wiki.debian.org link is a good place to start, that'll get you familiar with how Debian does things |
| 23:54.39 | blinkdog | then that confusing link should make more sense in the context of how devuan (might) do things differently |
| 23:55.57 | wulllst | ok |