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| 01:02.03 | Rory_ | erm |
| 01:02.33 | Rory_ | could anyone recommend any network managers for a laptop in a school without systemd? |
| 01:03.26 | Rory_ | specifically, one with WPA2, TLS, & a large number of channels? |
| 01:04.23 | Rory_ | NetworkManager needs SysD, and wicd is grossly incapable of the job |
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| 01:06.13 | debdog | is using wicd, Rory_ |
| 01:07.05 | Rory_ | OK, but I've had some problems with it (namely, the lack of multi-channel support) |
| 01:07.12 | debdog | https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#Wicd |
| 01:07.22 | debdog | hmm |
| 01:08.22 | debdog | someone in here is working on another manager, just cannot recall who and its name |
| 01:08.28 | Rory_ | rendering it practically unusable in a school with a large amount of connector points |
| 01:08.36 | debdog | dunno about its capabilities either |
| 01:09.14 | Rory_ | and I am assuming that NM cannot work without SysD? |
| 01:11.31 | debdog | sorry, no clue about that |
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| 01:18.33 | gnu_srs1 | ifupdown? |
| 01:27.02 | Xenguy | I quite like wicd, now that I've seen it for the first time, but I also don't have any special requirements |
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| 01:32.48 | Rory_ | I tried it once |
| 01:33.00 | Rory_ | could not get it to work with my school's WiFi |
| 01:33.15 | Rory_ | also it listed each of the channels in the entire school |
| 01:33.22 | Rory_ | not the best thing |
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| 01:35.25 | Xenguy | Boring people are so boring |
| 01:36.13 | debdog | ahh, I think CenturionDan is the network manager guy, right? |
| 01:36.27 | Xenguy | If so, he's here |
| 01:36.30 | Rory_ | oh |
| 01:36.31 | Rory_ | OK |
| 01:36.38 | Rory_ | sorry for bothering you all |
| 01:36.48 | Xenguy | no bother at all |
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| 02:45.25 | Artemis3 | debdog, there is another called connman |
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| 03:16.14 | golinux | debdog: And don't forget simple netaid in git written for Devuan |
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| 03:39.09 | DocScrutinizer05 | actually for a school I'd ponder writing a dirt simple bash script that just offers to connect to a limited number of predefined networks and does all the config "hardcoded" |
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| 03:40.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | "wired DHCP | WLAN1 | WLAN2 | offline" |
| 03:41.26 | DocScrutinizer05 | sudo connectmeto wiredDHCP |
| 03:41.55 | DocScrutinizer05 | wired_DHCP.desktop |
| 03:43.42 | DocScrutinizer05 | assuming you don't want to grant your users root access anyway, neither allow them to connect to arbitrary networks |
| 03:44.16 | DocScrutinizer05 | meh whatever, Rory is gone |
| 03:45.13 | Artemis3 | whats wrong with /etc/network/interfaces? xD |
| 03:49.15 | DocScrutinizer05 | the missing link to a particular network manager is what's wrong with it for me |
| 03:50.22 | DocScrutinizer05 | the wurstion was "which network manager to use that doesn't need systemD and is ok for school?" |
| 03:50.27 | DocScrutinizer05 | question* |
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| 06:00.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | folks, which backup program to use for a single server? |
| 06:01.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | I used duplicity but it turns out this stuff seems not exactly reliable |
| 06:03.51 | DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, I failed to notice it doesn't do outomatic purge on old backups, and when I manually triggered it on a config that says "12 full backups, one per month, and one month of daily incremental backups" it happily deleted all *full* backups that were older than 2 months |
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| 11:17.06 | aitor | frits (Godefridus Daalmans): are you there? |
| 11:22.09 | aitor | ok, i was going to talk about gnuplot, frits mentioned it in the mailing list |
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| 12:15.04 | aitor | not exactly about gnuplot, but about a scientific plotting library for gtkmm: |
| 12:15.17 | aitor | Gtkmm-PLplot |
| 12:15.37 | aitor | Here you are some examples: |
| 12:15.45 | aitor | https://tschoonj.github.io/gtkmm-plplot/examples.html |
| 12:16.28 | aitor | interesting link |
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| 12:17.59 | aitor | i have in mind to develop a numerical control simulator |
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| 12:31.35 | fsmithred | aitor, are you around? |
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| 12:57.16 | Hestben | fsmithred: you missed aitor with 14 minutes. |
| 12:57.43 | fsmithred | Hestben, yeah, that happens all the time. |
| 12:58.12 | fsmithred | He's usually in and out quick. |
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| 14:09.15 | MinceR | that's what she said. |
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| 14:18.03 | aitor | fsmithred" i'm here |
| 14:18.17 | fsmithred | hi |
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| 14:18.39 | fsmithred | aitor, did you compile a 4.x kernel with aufs support? |
| 14:18.39 | aitor | any question? |
| 14:19.08 | aitor | i did it in july, but in ascii... |
| 14:19.19 | fsmithred | oh, ok |
| 14:19.19 | aitor | i want to try it again in jessie |
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| 14:19.37 | fsmithred | golinux had trouble with the jessie-backports kernel (4.7) making a bootable snapshot |
| 14:19.42 | aitor | my last attempt was in august |
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| 14:19.59 | fsmithred | but I just made a bootable snapshot with 4.8 in ascii |
| 14:20.12 | fsmithred | didn't need to fix anything |
| 14:20.54 | aitor | i think that aufs4-standalone needs a higher version of kernel-wedge or/and gcc |
| 14:21.58 | aitor | debian testing/unstable doesn't include the requered quilt patch for installing aufs |
| 14:22.12 | fsmithred | oh |
| 14:22.18 | aitor | it's not included in the sources of the kernel by default |
| 14:22.38 | fsmithred | wow |
| 14:22.46 | fsmithred | ok, so aufs is gone for good? |
| 14:23.17 | fsmithred | doesn't look like refractasnapshot needs it for ascii |
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| 14:23.43 | aitor | nooo..., debian only include aufs in the stable branch |
| 14:23.52 | aitor | includes :) |
| 14:24.05 | fsmithred | I am annoyed that a display manager is required in ascii |
| 14:24.23 | aitor | there are only live images available for the stable branch |
| 14:24.43 | fsmithred | yeah, that's pretty much always been the case |
| 14:24.51 | aitor | so, testing and unstable don't need this module |
| 14:25.54 | aitor | refractasnapshot doesn't need it |
| 14:26.03 | fsmithred | newer live-* packages don't use aufs |
| 14:26.04 | aitor | but, it works in live mode? |
| 14:26.09 | fsmithred | yes |
| 14:26.17 | aitor | great news |
| 14:26.26 | fsmithred | live-boot* and live-config* 5.20160608 |
| 14:26.30 | aitor | only squashfs is needed? |
| 14:27.03 | aitor | then, i will try to build those packages in jessie |
| 14:27.18 | fsmithred | mount shows me: overlay / type overlay |
| 14:27.40 | fsmithred | build which packages? |
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| 14:27.49 | aitor | live* |
| 14:28.03 | aitor | Luka_K has joined |
| 14:28.17 | aitor | she is allways appearing and dissapearing |
| 14:28.22 | fsmithred | he |
| 14:28.29 | aitor | i know |
| 14:28.52 | aitor | he/she recorded some videos about devuan at home |
| 14:28.54 | fsmithred | so you want to backport live-* to use with backports kernel? |
| 14:29.19 | aitor | yes, instead of all the backports for jessie |
| 14:29.20 | fsmithred | actually, I think that version is already in backports |
| 14:29.32 | aitor | better |
| 14:30.11 | fsmithred | 1:20160511~bpo8+1 0 |
| 14:30.48 | aitor | ok, thanks |
| 14:31.06 | fsmithred | not sure why the dates don't match on two different computers |
| 14:31.29 | fsmithred | 0608 vs 0511 |
| 14:31.56 | aitor | the fist one is the latest upstream version |
| 14:32.08 | aitor | no changes in the debian branch |
| 14:32.24 | aitor | that is bpo8+1 |
| 14:32.38 | fsmithred | oh, duh - I was comparing live-boot to live-config. They were made on different dates. |
| 14:32.55 | aitor | as you can see: i have no probles searching any symbol with vdev |
| 14:33.01 | aitor | ?:;!@# |
| 14:33.06 | fsmithred | lol |
| 14:34.04 | fsmithred | I'm not using vdev, but it seems to work on everything I've tested |
| 14:34.06 | aitor | if i write something wrong from now on, that means that i'm using the spanish keyboard again |
| 14:34.11 | aitor | i.e, udev |
| 14:34.35 | fsmithred | the u and the v are switched? |
| 14:34.46 | Artemis3 | no |
| 14:35.01 | aitor | i will rename the vdev-initramfs package to vdev-assistant |
| 14:35.08 | Artemis3 | but there is an annoying key next to enter |
| 14:35.38 | aitor | this tool installs/uninstalls vdev, but udev is allways present enabled or disabled |
| 14:36.03 | aitor | because there are many packages depending on libudev1 |
| 14:36.17 | aitor | the kernel, the grub, xorg... |
| 14:36.40 | aitor | crucial packages |
| 14:36.56 | fsmithred | name change makes sense |
| 14:37.15 | aitor | yes |
| 14:37.38 | fsmithred | oh, I played around a little with making a panel button to switch between udev and vdev |
| 14:37.51 | fsmithred | I used parts of Ralph's script with dialog |
| 14:38.11 | fsmithred | so you click on button, terminal opens with dialog window, you choose |
| 14:38.14 | aitor | yes, it's included in his vdev-initramfs |
| 14:38.24 | fsmithred | and I made it work with your vdev |
| 14:38.31 | aitor | i read it, of course |
| 14:39.01 | aitor | good code |
| 14:39.08 | fsmithred | I don't think I have your latest version. Last time we talked about it, you said you had one that hadn't been added to rep yet. |
| 14:39.28 | aitor | yes, that's true |
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| 14:39.44 | aitor | last weekend i worked on the dinamical menu for openbox |
| 14:39.56 | dutch100p | 2 years under a stone... and I installed Debian. What a shocker! |
| 14:39.58 | fsmithred | yeah, I looked at that. It's nice. |
| 14:40.06 | Vortex_v | Hey all. I've got an old eeebox with 1gb of ram and I'm running Kali on it. Any one know if it's possible to use Devuan and then "add" the Kali packages so I can slim down my ram a bit more and not worry about systemd? |
| 14:40.46 | aitor | sometimes i change my planning work along the way |
| 14:41.33 | aitor | are the kali packages a complete repo? |
| 14:41.33 | fsmithred | Vortex_v, probably possible with some work |
| 14:41.49 | fsmithred | there's a lot of stuff in kali that's not in debian repo |
| 14:41.51 | aitor | if so, it'll not be possible |
| 14:41.58 | fsmithred | I have no idea what they have to do to install all that |
| 14:42.12 | fsmithred | and no idea how much those packages depend on systemd |
| 14:42.33 | fsmithred | Vortex_v, you know there's a version of kali with xfce? That would be lighter on resources. |
| 14:43.57 | aitor | fsmithred: now, i'll disappear like the Guadiana |
| 14:44.09 | aitor | The Guadiana is a spanish from Andalucia appeared and disappeared over time, because of its subterranean tributary |
| 14:44.32 | aitor | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadiana |
| 14:44.34 | fsmithred | wow |
| 14:44.36 | aitor | see you :) |
| 14:44.39 | fsmithred | bye |
| 14:44.44 | aitor | bye |
| 14:45.38 | dutch100p | Noob question. how many apps (est.) in devuan require systemd ? you guys think debian packages increasingly depend on it , in the years ahead? |
| 14:46.05 | dutch100p | im wondering on either devuan or just removing systemd for sysviint |
| 14:46.11 | dutch100p | sysvinit* |
| 14:47.06 | Vortex_v | fsmithred: I've done the convert to xfce after install. |
| 14:47.11 | dutch100p | i.e. the latter does the trick, at least for now , so what's the advantage of migrating to devuan ? |
| 14:47.17 | Vortex_v | so now I'd like to see if I can get ride of dbus/systemd |
| 14:48.04 | Vortex_v | fsmithred: they have some weird "rolling apt update" thing going on now as of 2016ish. |
| 14:48.49 | Artemis3 | dutch100p, for now, this list might be of interest: https://devuan.org/os/packages/list/forked-from-debian |
| 14:49.07 | dutch100p | Artemis3: thx |
| 14:49.15 | Vortex_v | dutch100p: as I understand it there is no solid comitment from debian to make sure sysvinit etc are upkept. |
| 14:49.15 | Artemis3 | that is literally the work debian refused to to to maintain init freedom |
| 14:49.55 | Vortex_v | Any one remember Windows v3 IPC? |
| 14:50.19 | Vortex_v | this makes me think of dbus from some of the potentual dbus exploits I've read about. |
| 14:50.35 | Vortex_v | \O/ enjoy your hung system. |
| 14:51.19 | fsmithred | Vortex_v, try it and see if it works. Post your results. |
| 14:51.31 | MY_R | Artemis3, ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED :\ |
| 14:51.32 | dutch100p | the reason why I raised this in #debian is I found an all that can be sploited remotely and connects to gstreamer / systemd . haven't looked at the latter yet, but systemctl commands don't leave usual traces on filesystem IDS and such . i feel schizophrenic running systemd in a traditional lnx environment :P |
| 14:51.34 | fsmithred | you're probably not the only one interested in it |
| 14:52.08 | dutch100p | ipc yeah |
| 14:52.31 | dutch100p | famous for enumering systems in pentest environemnt |
| 14:52.36 | Artemis3 | MY_R, huh? you can't view devuan.org? |
| 14:52.41 | dutch100p | dbus is going to be ipc on steroids |
| 14:53.30 | Vortex_v | I wonder how much latency dbus has. |
| 14:53.50 | Vortex_v | fsmithred: Some one care to look at the deb lines in kali if I post them? |
| 14:54.03 | Vortex_v | I have no clue what's what etc. |
| 14:54.26 | fsmithred | I can boot a vm here and look at it |
| 14:54.35 | Artemis3 | just tell kali to use devuan as upstream xD |
| 14:56.45 | fsmithred | what's login and password for kali? |
| 14:56.55 | dutch100p | toor |
| 14:57.02 | dutch100p | root/toor |
| 14:57.04 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 14:57.07 | dutch100p | yw |
| 14:57.31 | Artemis3 | a classic |
| 14:57.39 | dutch100p | Yes |
| 14:57.45 | dutch100p | it's how i figured it in the first place :) |
| 14:57.51 | dutch100p | 1990s shit |
| 14:57.59 | MY_R | Artemis3, I can, but not this link... weird |
| 14:58.32 | fsmithred | Vortex_v, I only see a single repo - two lines, deb and deb-src |
| 14:59.02 | Vortex_v | yeah it looks like: http://docs.kali.org/general-use/kali-linux-sources-list-repositories |
| 14:59.11 | fsmithred | I think if you start with devuan and then add the kali repo, you'll run into all kinds of trouble |
| 14:59.39 | Vortex_v | yeah. |
| 14:59.40 | MY_R | Artemis3, mose precisly, can look mai page but non of the link on it... wtf |
| 14:59.56 | Vortex_v | perhaps a tool to extract the packages from kali rooling? |
| 15:00.04 | fsmithred | nope, I see: http://http.kali.org/kali kali-rolling main contrib non-free |
| 15:00.23 | fsmithred | get the package list from kali: dpkg -l |
| 15:00.42 | fsmithred | or dpkg --get-selections |
| 15:00.48 | fsmithred | install devuan |
| 15:00.58 | Artemis3 | ah kali is debian testing? |
| 15:01.00 | Artemis3 | yeah not good xD |
| 15:01.28 | fsmithred | guess so - this one has 4.6 kernel |
| 15:01.55 | MY_R | Artemis3, whatever, part of my internet not working... my side problem, sorry for interrupt :P |
| 15:02.02 | fsmithred | you could download the packages you want from kali and install them with dpkg |
| 15:02.19 | fsmithred | or maybe, add the kali repo and VERY CAREFULLY add the stuff you want |
| 15:02.32 | fsmithred | keeping a close eye on what else wants to install with it |
| 15:02.43 | Artemis3 | or pin with lower |
| 15:02.52 | fsmithred | yes |
| 15:02.54 | Artemis3 | but if there was a proper devuan testing |
| 15:02.57 | Vortex_v | like a diff of the fsmithred: that's what I'm thinking |
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| 15:03.12 | Artemis3 | guess youll have to wait more |
| 15:03.16 | fsmithred | diff of the package lists is a good place to start |
| 15:03.31 | Vortex_v | is the contents.gz files in Index of /kali/dists/kali-rolling/main just a text file? |
| 15:03.35 | fsmithred | pinning the kali repo to lower priority is a good idea |
| 15:03.52 | fsmithred | I think so |
| 15:03.55 | Vortex_v | hmmz |
| 15:04.08 | fsmithred | zless contents.gz |
| 15:04.18 | Vortex_v | I might be bored enough to try :D |
| 15:04.48 | fsmithred | check the kali community, too - someone else might have the same idea |
| 15:05.05 | Vortex_v | I googled it. |
| 15:05.10 | dutch100p | kali packages may be antiques :P |
| 15:05.14 | fsmithred | anything come up? |
| 15:05.19 | Vortex_v | can't see much in results for "how can I remove systemd kali" |
| 15:05.35 | dutch100p | Vortex_v: time for a kavian then. |
| 15:05.40 | Vortex_v | other than posts on redit etc saying "OMG liek why dew you wanna dew that!"!@#?!@11" etc |
| 15:06.05 | fsmithred | or kal1 (kal-one) |
| 15:06.10 | Vortex_v | dutch100p: the kali v1 and kali v2 packages are all static now. |
| 15:06.28 | dutch100p | Kali1- without the hax0r crap because you're not a scriptkiddie |
| 15:06.30 | Vortex_v | the new system they have some magic tool that picks known working packages for them and installs them. |
| 15:07.03 | Vortex_v | perhaps swapping out apt/dpkg with a wrapper that logs what that tool wants to install then checking it's not system d might work. |
| 15:07.41 | Vortex_v | eh. I just find getting nvidia and cuda etc etc a pain in the arse to work :) |
| 15:07.48 | Vortex_v | or at least when I tried it last. |
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| 15:07.58 | Vortex_v | this little eebox dosn't have that stuff. |
| 15:08.09 | Artemis3 | another solution: get v1.1.0, that is from when jessie was still testing xD |
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| 15:08.56 | dutch100p | Vortex_v: drivers for X? |
| 15:09.03 | Artemis3 | i think the switch to stretch is marked by v2 |
| 15:11.10 | Vortex_v | dutch100p: more like drivers to get rainbow cracking working nicely on cuda etc. |
| 15:12.48 | Artemis3 | and they use gnome... |
| 15:13.34 | Vortex_v | gnome makes me angry :/ |
| 15:13.41 | Vortex_v | It might have gotten better now though. |
| 15:13.42 | dutch100p | pyrit mm |
| 15:16.18 | golinux | fsmithred: I couldn't boot the 4.2 bpo kernel and I was using the -live stuff from bpo also |
| 15:16.33 | golinux | (Just catching up atm) |
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| 15:16.48 | dutch100p | never tried pyrit. cowpatty seems faster on benchmarks |
| 15:19.11 | fsmithred | golinux, ok, 4.2. I might test with 4.7 |
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| 15:19.19 | fsmithred | brb, need food |
| 15:22.02 | Rory_ | again I ask |
| 15:22.15 | dutch100p | Vortex_v: using cuda on amazon? |
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| 15:22.28 | Vortex_v | na. I had a pc with a decient gfx card. |
| 15:22.39 | Rory_ | any SysD-less alternatives to NetworkManager with roughly the same capabilities? |
| 15:22.40 | Vortex_v | now that pc is not here. |
| 15:22.57 | Vortex_v | Rory_: bash? :D |
| 15:23.06 | Rory_ | WiCD is out of the question |
| 15:23.10 | dutch100p | amazon charges by instance-hour, you can get 5000 servers for an hour doing the same price as one server running 5000 hrs |
| 15:23.26 | dutch100p | afaik some have 2 gfx gpus |
| 15:23.39 | Rory_ | and I do not know how to get a TLS-WPA2 system to work without NM |
| 15:23.50 | Rory_ | and NM needs SysD |
| 15:24.13 | dutch100p | Vortex_v: i'm guessing you have a big NAS setup then =] |
| 15:25.22 | golinux | dutch100p: Try KAVUAN |
| 15:26.27 | dutch100p | golinux: what's that? never do any cracking |
| 15:27.03 | golinux | dutch100p |
| 15:27.03 | golinux | Vortex_v: time for a kavian then. |
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| 15:29.51 | dutch100p | golinux: Oh that was a joke |
| 15:30.14 | dutch100p | golinux: devuan= debian without systemd. kavian = kali without pentest tools |
| 15:33.11 | Vortex_v | dutch100p: I'm in vietnam atm. I'm from australia. |
| 15:33.24 | Vortex_v | I have a ~20TB ish box at home but not plugged in. |
| 15:33.35 | Vortex_v | haven't touched it in about 2 or so years. |
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| 15:35.20 | dutch100p | 20tb.. enough for some basic password lengths :P |
| 15:35.50 | dutch100p | always nice to have |
| 15:38.56 | Vortex_v | hmmz |
| 15:38.57 | Vortex_v | http://www.tecmint.com/install-kali-linux-tools-using-katoolin-on-ubuntu-debian/ |
| 15:39.55 | Vortex_v | My next big hobby OS will be qubes I think. |
| 15:40.23 | Vortex_v | went I upgrade this laptop to a desktop I'll make sure I get something that'll run qubes. |
| 15:41.37 | dutch100p | golinux: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kavian |
| 15:41.49 | dutch100p | Back in Nam' ... |
| 15:42.40 | Vortex_v | ok. I think I'm going to install devuan and then try katoolin |
| 15:43.53 | Vortex_v | after I kill some more empire and rebel scum in starwars empire at war forces of corruption. |
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| 15:58.17 | dutch100p | looking at NAS options under 3k euro |
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