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| 01:55.58 | bonzai | Hi...I know this is probably a stupid question...but to upgrade to ascii, do I just replace jessie with ascii in the sources.list? |
| 01:57.39 | bonzai | ...and apt-get update...then apt-get dist-upgrade of course... |
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| 05:57.43 | alunado | Hi, people - maybe in another time application someone is awake! - It happened to me that I can not install the base system using the "iso devuan i386". Error in the system code name. The sha256 is correct. |
| 05:58.35 | alunado | sorry.. "time zone" |
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| 07:13.50 | aitor | Yes, no_9, and Indonesia. The called 'Pacific Ring of Fire'. The limit between two tectonic plates. |
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| 10:36.16 | MDrights | Hey, good evening |
| 10:37.02 | MDrights | I'd like to write something on how to install Input methods(fcitx) on Devuan/Refracta.. |
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| 11:13.02 | aitor | Pali, Freemangordon, i just found this link about Hildon and maemomm (gtkmm in maemo): |
| 11:13.03 | aitor | http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ |
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| 13:48.17 | t4nk292 | WORSHIP SATAN!!! |
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| 14:02.09 | Youbi_ | Hello! Iâm trying to install devuan from the CD image on a virtual machine (with virtualbox). The base system install fails when downloading files from the mirror. Is it mandatory, since I have the CDÂ image (and not the netinstall)? |
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| 14:19.17 | ted | I have a fairly new install of devuan i386 on a netbook which locked up and seems to be unable to boot now after power cycling the machine. It locked up once before and recovered after being power cycled. Could be the wifi driver but not really sure. I think I will probably have to boot into a live CD to get it going. If I pull off syslog or something where would I send it? This is an Acer Eeebook with an Atom processor and 1 gig ram. |
| 14:42.00 | hellekin | Stickers are here! https://devuan.org/os/shopping |
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| 14:47.17 | djph | ooo |
| 14:59.16 | telst4r | Cool! |
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| 16:00.36 | sn0wmonster | i'm gonna try to get this sent to translations in the next 24 hours -- could anyone with a moment and a passion for p2p projects related to crypto and privacy read it and see what might want to be changed before i start spending money on having the same mistakes written in different languages? :D https://raw.githubusercontent.com/skifree-snowmonster/taskhive/master/README.md |
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| 16:08.14 | telst4r | Hmm, is BitMessage really anonymous or is it pseudonymous like Bitcoin? |
| 16:09.56 | n4dir1 | if you plan to murder the president, then i would prepare it with a public phone. Or even better: give up on the idea. |
| 16:10.19 | parazyd | i'd just use OTR :p |
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| 16:11.51 | telst4r | That is not my point. |
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| 16:15.24 | telst4r | It's just that taskhive's paper makes the claim. I simply doubt it to be anon. |
| 16:16.37 | n4dir1 | then don't use it and use something which does what is sufficient for your purpose |
| 16:17.32 | n4dir1 | and exactly that was my point. instead of doing theoretical discussions, the first question should be: how much security do i need for what i do. |
| 16:17.56 | n4dir1 | and, of course, who is the possible attacker, what are his ressources , etc |
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| 16:18.54 | telst4r | whatever. |
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| 16:23.38 | detha | telst4r: the question is not 'is it really anonymous'. the question is 'how much snooping and CPU power does one need to break the anonymity, and by when will that be practical for actor X' |
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| 16:30.56 | telst4r | detha, what I'm talking about is the fact that every single tx is kept in the chain (in btc) and it's very easy to watch behavior patterns to see who's who and connected with whom. That doesn't quite require a Utah data center. |
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| 16:36.42 | detha | telst4r: kind of my point. it is not as easy as 'just looks at the transaction file', but if someone spends the effort to watch the chain and do analysis (s)he can deduce things |
| 16:38.33 | telst4r | So the thing that bm is claimed to forget messages after a while could change things a little. |
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| 16:44.46 | telst4r | -txindex -> analyze a target |
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| 16:58.17 | detha | if things 'fall off the end of the chain', intuition says 'it makes it more difficult, now you have to spy more and get more samples' |
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| 17:05.00 | telst4r | right. |
| 17:06.18 | telst4r | or modify your client so that it keeps the chain. |
| 17:06.47 | telst4r | doesn't go to the past, ofcourse since no history past certain point. |
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| 18:35.22 | Gup | hi parazyd you there? |
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| 19:20.55 | FlibberTGibbet | hi all, has anyone had success with the rpi3 and wireless? foolishly just installed wpa_supplicant and noticed that the conf file resides in /etc/dbus/system.d/wpa_supplicant.conf, so that'll be leaving my system as fast as I can apt-get purge :) |
| 19:21.11 | FlibberTGibbet | if not wpa_supplicant, then what might do the trick? |
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| 19:25.05 | Gup | sn0wmonster, only spotted one typo: "and that your wellbeing is *it* risk from oppressive regimes" |
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| 19:25.58 | Gup | FlibberTGibbet, i don't think system.d means systemd in this instance |
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| 19:30.02 | gci_admin | FlibberTGibbet, Gup is correct. It is a designation for a directory, like init.d, ld.so.conf.d and so on. |
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| 19:52.41 | FlibberTGibbet | Gup, gci_admin: thanks |
| 19:52.54 | FlibberTGibbet | any idea where I can score a half-decent config file? :) |
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| 19:57.46 | Leander256 | FlibberTGibbet: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ |
| 19:58.06 | FlibberTGibbet | thanks Leander256 |
| 19:59.03 | Leander256 | in the examples sub-directory, more precisely |
| 19:59.14 | golinux | sn0wmonster: I would hyphenate well-being |
| 20:04.29 | FlibberTGibbet | golinux: depends on which country you're writing for... |
| 20:04.37 | FlibberTGibbet | often one word over here |
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| 21:47.22 | parazyd | Gup: pong |
| 21:47.27 | parazyd | Gup: need something? |
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| 21:58.44 | Gup | parazyd, did you see i'd tested your image the other day? |
| 21:59.02 | Gup | wondered if you'd had any thoughts about the overlays? |
| 21:59.21 | Gup | i've been having a play but not much luck |
| 22:00.21 | Gup | tested rasbian jessie too and compared a few things |
| 22:01.34 | FlibberTGibbet | wifi's a bugger on rpi3 -- if i disconnect ethernet, the wifi goes down! |
| 22:02.12 | parazyd | Gup: yep i saw |
| 22:02.22 | parazyd | Gup: what's up with the overlays? |
| 22:02.51 | parazyd | FlibberTGibbet: i'd need more info. what's the output in dmesg when you disconnect ethernet cable? |
| 22:04.00 | FlibberTGibbet | parazyd: just rebooting, will tell you in a sec |
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| 22:04.15 | aitor | hi |
| 22:04.49 | parazyd | o/ |
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| 22:05.14 | aitor | i haven't any rpi3, so i can't help |
| 22:05.44 | Gup | parazyd, not too sure if it is overlay issues or not, i'll explain the problem: |
| 22:07.07 | FlibberTGibbet | parazyd: |
| 22:07.08 | FlibberTGibbet | [ 121.394118] brcmfmac: power management disabled |
| 22:07.08 | FlibberTGibbet | [ 121.395898] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 22:07.55 | FlibberTGibbet | [ 110.233772] brcmfmac: brcmf_cfg80211_reg_notifier: not a ISO3166 code (0x30 0x30) |
| 22:07.55 | FlibberTGibbet | [ 110.236852] brcmfmac: power management disabled |
| 22:07.55 | FlibberTGibbet | [ 110.243038] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 22:07.55 | FlibberTGibbet | [ 110.258411] brcmfmac: brcmf_sdio_hdparse: seq 93: sequence number error, expect 92 |
| 22:07.55 | FlibberTGibbet | [ 110.258657] brcmfmac: brcmf_sdio_hdparse: seq 92: sequence number error, expect 94 |
| 22:07.56 | FlibberTGibbet | [ 110.259533] brcmfmac: brcmf_sdio_hdparse: seq 94: sequence number error, expect 93 |
| 22:08.03 | FlibberTGibbet | sorry for the dump |
| 22:10.11 | aitor | i built months ago an imagen for rpi2 including simple-netaid (wich depends on wpasupplicant), and eth0 worked |
| 22:10.42 | Gup | on raspbian to get dallas 1wire bus to work need to add dtoverlay=w1-gpio,gpiopin=4 to /boot/config.txt before modprobe w1-gpio and w1-therm otherwise /sys/bus/w1/devices/ is created but no devices are contained. |
| 22:11.18 | FlibberTGibbet | afk |
| 22:11.23 | Gup | on devuan adding the line to config.txt doesnt seem to make the devices appear |
| 22:11.25 | parazyd | FlibberTGibbet: seems rather to be a kernel issue. do you run wpa_supplicant as a daemon? |
| 22:11.45 | FlibberTGibbet | parazyd: yes |
| 22:11.54 | parazyd | Gup: you might be missing some gpio packages |
| 22:12.01 | FlibberTGibbet | think so anyway |
| 22:12.36 | parazyd | FlibberTGibbet: you should be able to make a hook/hack to restart wpa_supplicant when you disconnect eth0 |
| 22:12.49 | parazyd | i'll look into it. it's getting a bit late here now |
| 22:12.54 | FlibberTGibbet | parazyd: ah, sounds interesting |
| 22:12.59 | FlibberTGibbet | where are you based? |
| 22:13.07 | parazyd | FlibberTGibbet: if you like, please make a issue on https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk |
| 22:13.10 | parazyd | amsterdma |
| 22:13.22 | FlibberTGibbet | nice, fave airport :) |
| 22:13.31 | FlibberTGibbet | parazyd: i will do that |
| 22:13.31 | parazyd | :)) |
| 22:13.36 | parazyd | yep, great |
| 22:13.44 | FlibberTGibbet | hope to get to stop there sometime and meet the devuan team |
| 22:13.48 | FlibberTGibbet | those based there anyway |
| 22:14.06 | aitor | parazyd, do you live in amsterdam |
| 22:14.09 | parazyd | yes |
| 22:15.08 | aitor | i've never been in netherlands |
| 22:15.51 | parazyd | it's lovely. although there is only two seasons... rain and not-rain :D |
| 22:16.27 | FlibberTGibbet | a home from home for us brits then :D |
| 22:16.45 | aitor | lol, like here |
| 22:16.51 | Gup | parazyd, good idea :) there are a couple of python.gpio packages installed on the working one. |
| 22:17.08 | Gup | i'll boot the devuan card and see if they are missing |
| 22:18.27 | parazyd | they are not installed by default |
| 22:18.28 | FlibberTGibbet | parazyd: issue submitted |
| 22:18.32 | FlibberTGibbet | bye for now |
| 22:18.33 | parazyd | FlibberTGibbet: ack |
| 22:18.35 | parazyd | cya |
| 22:19.05 | aitor | i still didn't try my idea for armhf, it's complicated... but i'll try |
| 22:21.41 | aitor | i explained it to fsmithred in august |
| 22:22.01 | fsmithred | I sure don't remember what you said |
| 22:22.16 | fsmithred | no arms here |
| 22:22.35 | fsmithred | well not counting swords and stuff |
| 22:22.38 | aitor | don't you |
| 22:23.27 | fsmithred | no, can you sum it up in a few words? |
| 22:23.40 | aitor | sorry, but i can't find the ? symbol, i have to copy'n'paste |
| 22:23.47 | fsmithred | ok |
| 22:23.52 | aitor | d-i |
| 22:24.09 | fsmithred | oh yeah, I sort of remember |
| 22:24.18 | fsmithred | but I don't really understand how d-i works |
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| 22:24.47 | aitor | to run d-i from the sd card and install the system in the same sd card |
| 22:24.55 | fsmithred | oh yeah |
| 22:25.33 | aitor | do you remember the post about crunchbang in spanish |
| 22:25.36 | fsmithred | how do you install on rpi? Do you boot from usb, and do you use a keyboard and screen like a normal installation? |
| 22:26.28 | aitor | no, i don't boot from a usb |
| 22:27.14 | aitor | i use dd and toast it directly to the sd card |
| 22:27.21 | fsmithred | ok |
| 22:27.25 | aitor | like everybody |
| 22:27.38 | fsmithred | I recently added support for nvme disks to refractainstaller |
| 22:27.47 | fsmithred | but I don't have an nvme disk to test |
| 22:28.01 | fsmithred | installer looks for /dev/nvdmXXXX |
| 22:28.20 | fsmithred | so for testing, I made it look for /dev/mmcXXX |
| 22:28.33 | aitor | oh |
| 22:28.35 | fsmithred | so in theory, you could use refractainstaller to install to sd card |
| 22:28.42 | fsmithred | I don't know if that's useful |
| 22:28.58 | aitor | it's interesting |
| 22:29.30 | fsmithred | when you use dd, does it all go in one partition? |
| 22:29.45 | fsmithred | and what bootloader does it use? |
| 22:30.14 | aitor | there are two partitions |
| 22:32.32 | aitor | the firmware and the rootfs |
| 22:33.04 | fsmithred | all in the same image, I assume |
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| 22:33.24 | aitor | /dev/mmcblk0p1 in FAT32 |
| 22:33.35 | aitor | and /dev/mmcblk0p2 for the system |
| 22:33.53 | aitor | yes, all in the same image |
| 22:34.01 | fsmithred | what bootloader? |
| 22:34.04 | fsmithred | syslinux? |
| 22:35.43 | aitor | is it a test? |
| 22:36.05 | fsmithred | no, I just want to follow this line of thought a little bit |
| 22:36.15 | fsmithred | i.e. adapting installer for rpi |
| 22:37.18 | fsmithred | might be useful, might be easy, and if not, I can stop thinking about it. |
| 22:39.06 | Centurion_Dan | o/ |
| 22:39.07 | aitor | you can download the image from here, but it's obsolete: |
| 22:39.37 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/raspberry/ |
| 22:39.40 | fsmithred | thanks |
| 22:40.02 | Gup | parazyd, looking likely.. the packages python-rpi.gpio and python3-rpi.gpio are missing and not available in repos. |
| 22:40.09 | aitor | i can't remember the pasword :( |
| 22:40.26 | aitor | i'll try to find it in dyne.org/lurker |
| 22:40.43 | Gup | i could compile from source |
| 22:40.44 | fsmithred | that's ok, I'm just going to mount it |
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| 22:41.05 | parazyd | Gup: yes, the raspbian repos unfortunately aren't compatible with the armel arch i'm using for the rpi1. please make an issue at https://git.devuan.org/sdk/arm-sdk and note this |
| 22:41.19 | parazyd | i can make packages, the issue makes me remember to do it :p |
| 22:43.02 | Gup | awesome, i shall do that, cheers |
| 22:43.26 | parazyd | hellekin, nextime: if i use 'http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie free' in /etc/apt/sources.list, will i get the packages from 'main'? or is there something else i have to do to have only FLOSS packages? |
| 22:43.26 | aitor | here you are fsmithred: |
| 22:43.30 | aitor | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160306.094333.e80a90da.en.html |
| 22:43.33 | Gup | i'm still not sure they are the packages i need, but it sounds a good bet, i shall compile and find out |
| 22:43.54 | aitor | User: pi |
| 22:44.05 | parazyd | Gup: pls remember to make an issue ;) |
| 22:44.07 | aitor | Passwird: Raspberry |
| 22:44.13 | parazyd | helps me organize myself |
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| 22:49.30 | aitor | furrywolf |
| 22:51.32 | aitor | silence..., and nothing more... |
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| 23:09.43 | Gup | parazyd, I've installed those missing packages but it hasnt helped :( |
| 23:10.00 | Gup | i can create an issue for those packages anyway? |
| 23:10.32 | Gup | and shall i get some outputs together and make another issue for the gpio issue? |
| 23:10.57 | Gup | i think its kernel, but thats just a hunch |
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| 23:13.01 | Gup | these 3 lines appear in dmesg on the working raspbian, but only the first line appears when booting devuan http://pastebin.com/GWB1fZp5 |
| 23:15.19 | parazyd | drop it as an issue please. i will look at it tomorrow |
| 23:15.32 | parazyd | i'm a bit busy with other things now, and soon i go to bed ;) |
| 23:18.07 | Gup | yeah no worries i only tinker between also being busy. off to bed soon too :) what timezone you in? |
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| 23:42.56 | Gup | well its nearly midnight here, so sleep well \o |