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| 01:23.09 | somerandomnick | Also, trying to install Devuan right now *will* *fail* if the default includes the security repository (and I would expect it to!). |
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| 01:41.19 | golinux | somerandomnick: You could install from the refracta 'unofficial_devuan_live' iso then upgrade. |
| 01:41.21 | golinux | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/ |
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| 01:43.26 | fsmithred | my ears were burning |
| 01:47.01 | fsmithred | did something change? I installed devuan two days ago. |
| 01:47.36 | fsmithred | I don't recall any problems with it. |
| 01:47.50 | Xenguy | fsmithred: The security repo is malfunctioning |
| 01:48.22 | golinux | nextime just got back to SA so hasn't been massaging amprolla and the servers |
| 01:48.27 | Xenguy | As of a few hours ago, it seems |
| 01:48.39 | fsmithred | and it interferes with installation? |
| 01:49.01 | n4dir | iirc yesteray someones installation hang at "installing base system" (or similar) |
| 01:49.13 | golinux | <somerandomnick> Also, trying to install Devuan right now *will* *fail* if the default includes the security repository (and I would expect it to!). |
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| 01:49.53 | golinux | But who knows |
| 01:49.55 | fsmithred | n4dir, I got that when I tried to install ascii, but not jessie |
| 01:50.19 | n4dir | mhh ... not sure. i think he was speaking of stable |
| 01:50.34 | golinux | n4dir: You're up late |
| 01:50.44 | n4dir | pointed him to refracta, he wanted to try. hi golinux |
| 01:50.55 | fsmithred | I thought the security repo was just slow, not that it broke the install. But as I said, that was two days ago. |
| 01:51.00 | n4dir | i seeem to recall there is a file bout "debootstrap'ing devuan" on refracta ? |
| 01:51.27 | fsmithred | oh, that's right, I did a debootstrap install |
| 01:51.45 | fsmithred | yeah, I followed my own guide, and it worked. |
| 01:51.47 | n4dir | deletes all info and docu in the blink of an eye, with fire and brimstone |
| 01:51.54 | fsmithred | lol |
| 01:52.06 | n4dir | :-) |
| 01:52.50 | n4dir | i never thought of it, but as refracta comes with devuan repos, i would say it is a good way to get devuan, if the other option fails |
| 01:54.20 | fsmithred | yeah, and I also made live isos from a default devuan beta install |
| 01:54.42 | fsmithred | so it's possible to install it without network |
| 01:55.22 | golinux | That's why I suggested it to him |
| 01:55.37 | golinux | ;) |
| 01:56.10 | n4dir | my problem is that i don't want to say something and it seems i would try to get someone away from devuan, or to refracta. |
| 01:56.31 | n4dir | i just think: hey he/she has a problem to install it, that might be an option. To me it's close enough |
| 01:57.00 | fsmithred | it's also possible to use a refracta iso to do a pure devuan debootstrap install |
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| 01:57.10 | fsmithred | tested two days ago |
| 01:58.11 | n4dir | yeah, like said, i wasn't too sure. |
| 01:58.28 | n4dir | just as i am not that sure how big the differences are |
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| 02:03.30 | fsmithred | the difference is mostly package selection |
| 02:03.48 | n4dir | uhum. well that i consider a minor thing |
| 02:03.50 | fsmithred | and some change in settings, some of which you suggested |
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| 02:08.57 | n4dir | fsmithred: can you quickly figure out with apt-file which packages contains the program "update-ca-certificates" ? |
| 02:09.13 | fsmithred | only in wheezy |
| 02:09.24 | fsmithred | apt-file doesn't work in devuan |
| 02:09.32 | Xenguy | I haven't been able to use apt-file successfully in devuan |
| 02:09.33 | n4dir | yes, we spoke about it |
| 02:09.51 | n4dir | Xenguy: same here |
| 02:10.47 | fsmithred | in wheezy, the package was ca-certificates |
| 02:11.42 | n4dir | ah, thanks |
| 02:11.44 | Xenguy | Is there another way to find out what package a certain file/program is in? |
| 02:12.02 | n4dir | Xenguy: i don't know one |
| 02:17.09 | fsmithred | I think 'dpkg -S' |
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| 02:20.41 | somerandomnick | Right now running `apt-get update` exits on what I'm guessing is an out of date certificate, so the moment you do that you may have a problem (guessing the security repository cert is good for 7 days and it has now expired). |
| 02:22.15 | Xenguy | Thanks fsmithred , that's good to know |
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| 11:37.23 | DanMc | Hi everyone! I realize this may have already been discussed. If so, forgive me. Does anyone know why the In Release Security repository is down? |
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| 11:43.00 | n4dir | DanMc: i can't tell you anything detailed. In the info of the IRC channel is the link to the chat-logs: https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan |
| 11:43.18 | n4dir | go there and enter "security" as a searchterm. It offers a bit of info. |
| 11:43.39 | n4dir | iow: it was talked about, but i didn't fully understand |
| 11:44.09 | DanMc | Ah...thank you. I deeply appreciate your help...I'm new to IRC. Have a great day! Thanks again! |
| 11:44.38 | n4dir | no problem. i missed it too. |
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| 11:56.43 | fsmithred | n4dir, you been here since I left last night? |
| 11:58.32 | n4dir | no. but most of the time. |
| 11:58.35 | n4dir | lol |
| 12:01.12 | fsmithred | aptitude is telling me there are 1169 updates available. That's on a jessie system I upgraded a little over a week ago. |
| 12:03.15 | n4dir | uff |
| 12:03.32 | fsmithred | I ain't doin' it. |
| 12:03.35 | fsmithred | no way |
| 12:04.16 | n4dir | i got no clue. As soon i boot into devuan i will test |
| 12:04.25 | fsmithred | reminds me the time I unintentionally upgraded from sarge to etch. |
| 12:05.08 | n4dir | lol. yes, can happen |
| 12:05.21 | n4dir | i found a weird distro this night: sabotage. |
| 12:05.38 | fsmithred | why they named it that? |
| 12:05.51 | n4dir | look at the web-site, it seems to make sense ... |
| 12:08.48 | fsmithred | you tried it yet? |
| 12:09.45 | n4dir | no, i only discoverd it. |
| 12:09.50 | n4dir | but perhaps will. |
| 12:10.04 | fsmithred | looks like there's no iso - you have to build your own system |
| 12:10.18 | n4dir | i tried Void as a live. Seems ok, but doesn't come with much software on the live |
| 12:10.49 | n4dir | yes, i read quite a bit, and it looks like debootstrap like. But at github there are the scripts, and it seems ok |
| 12:11.55 | fsmithred | brb |
| 12:11.58 | n4dir | k |
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| 13:41.27 | mlsmith | So it looks like the Valid-Until in http://amprolla.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/InRelease is expired |
| 13:41.40 | mlsmith | Do we need to wait for someone in particular to update this? |
| 13:42.31 | mlsmith | For anyone looking for a tempory workaround, try: sudo apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update |
| 14:31.40 | voyo | hi guys. Im in process to install devuan on top of arm kirkwood machine. Via debootstrap. Recently I tried with 'ceres' , there were some big troubles with dependencies, debootstrap secondstage couldnt finish, I managed to get it work, by downloading and installing manually some packages, but at the end I finished with somehow unstable system. Thus I decided to start from scratch again, but now iwth "stable" |
| 14:31.46 | voyo | release. |
| 14:32.51 | voyo | unfortunately here are also troubles. lots of packages can't finish installing , 'configuration' step cant accomplish - due to (obviously) missing systemctl. |
| 14:33.33 | voyo | I dont wanted to force to install anything, simple workaround for me was to 'ln -s /bin/true /bin/systemctl |
| 14:34.15 | voyo | looks like it helped. but disgust remained :P |
| 14:35.58 | voyo | if anyone is interested about more detailed description, of my steps or environment - please msg me. |
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| 14:59.33 | firegarden | hi boy, i don't understand that E: Release file for http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/InRelease is expired (invalid since 16h 52min 58s). Updates for this repository will not be applied. |
| 15:05.27 | firegarden | i can use apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update |
| 15:05.40 | firegarden | but maybe it's important to know |
| 15:19.54 | fsmithred | running that line brings my available updates down from 1169 to 6. That's more believable. |
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| 16:23.55 | PnUic | hu |
| 16:23.57 | PnUic | hi |
| 16:26.05 | fsmithred | ho |
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| 16:37.57 | somerandomnick | Well, no additional security advisories in the past 24 hours, but there is still a pretty severe one just outside of 24 hours ago which is fairly serious. |
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| 19:31.33 | respite | letting your repositories expire is not exactly inspiring faith in devuan. |
| 19:35.18 | jochen | respite, you are right. Shit can happen, but I'm worried how long it takes to correct this problem. |
| 19:38.00 | detha | shit happens, indeed. and if anybody could just fix it quickly, that would be more worrying - it would mean too many people have access to master keys. |
| 19:40.11 | n4dir | i guess that is also a way to see it. |
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| 19:56.06 | somerandomnick | Being 48 hours behind on security updates is also rather worrisome. |
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| 19:57.16 | golinux | Hopefully nextime will get his bearings now that he's returned to SA |
| 19:59.36 | somerandomnick | Make that 48 hours behind a serious security update and more likely almost 6-8 days behind on less severe updates. |
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| 22:43.08 | Xenguy | bites his tongue... |
| 22:43.56 | debdog | dafugg, that hurts |
| 22:44.07 | debdog | why would you do that?! |
| 22:44.44 | Xenguy | If I were to say, it wouldn't be biting my tongue ;-) |
| 22:46.06 | debdog | :) |
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| 22:48.09 | aitor | golinux: nextime surelly is in SA now |
| 22:48.50 | golinux | Yes. He arrived yesterday |
| 22:50.14 | aitor | near Johannesburgo? |
| 22:52.44 | aitor | oh, you don't know, and nestime is asleep... |
| 22:54.49 | aitor | i'm going to sleep, too :) |
| 22:58.17 | golinux | zzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 22:59.21 | aitor | http://www.tonterias.com/2005/03/gato-durmiendo-2/ |
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