| 00:04.07 | gci_admin | Ah! It is GNU tar that has the CVE above. I use bsdtar 3.1.2, not GNU tar. :D |
| 00:05.33 | gci_admin | forgot the tar for FreeBSD is not the GNU thingie :D |
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| 04:46.14 | crhylove | Hey team! I keep getting stuck at "retrieving packages" during install. How do I force it to use a different mirror? |
| 04:46.59 | golinux | Have you gone back and tried again? |
| 04:47.46 | golinux | Seems I remember that working for some folks. |
| 04:49.42 | crhylove | Yeah, tried both the first option and the auto option. |
| 04:49.53 | crhylove | Neither work. Just hangs forever. On my 3rd boot now. |
| 04:56.35 | golinux | I thought you could just go back and restart the dl. |
| 04:58.42 | crhylove | Never worked for me. |
| 04:58.54 | crhylove | I went to expert install mode and selected a Canadian mirror. Working now! |
| 04:58.59 | crhylove | (slowly) |
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| 05:38.00 | somerandomnick | The security situation is serious. |
| 05:39.46 | furrywolf | security situation? what did I miss? |
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| 06:00.02 | crhylove | So now it's stuck on "retrieving dpkg". How do I "go back" from here? Does it time out after a couple more hours? |
| 06:00.39 | crhylove | I can alt+ctrl+f# into another console.... But that doesn't help much. |
| 06:03.20 | n4dir | ctrl+c doesn't work? |
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| 06:31.05 | crhylove | I thought I tried that..... Trying again. |
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| 06:48.27 | crhylove | Installing the Base System: 0% Retrieving Packages. Ctrl+c does nothing. |
| 06:48.35 | crhylove | *sigh* |
| 06:49.20 | n4dir1 | ah, during installation. You got network access ? |
| 06:49.30 | n4dir1 | crhylove: ? |
| 06:57.03 | crhylove | Yeah, I can open another terminal and ping google. |
| 06:57.16 | crhylove | Sorry for the delay. I'm multitasking. |
| 06:58.12 | n4dir1 | well; that's odd then. Having no net-access was my only idea |
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| 06:59.02 | n4dir1 | refracta uses the devuan repos. Assuming you won't get the problem sorted, you might try that instead (remove all refracta specific stuff and set it up like you want it). |
| 06:59.10 | n4dir1 | but i guess someone will help you get it sorted. |
| 07:00.52 | crhylove | goes to download refracta. |
| 07:01.00 | crhylove | Been meaning to try that anyway. :) |
| 07:01.42 | n4dir1 | i think in the home directory of the user, refrracta, there are notes about "debootstrap" |
| 07:02.01 | n4dir1 | I did not look at them, but perhaps they contain info how to install devuan via debootstrap. |
| 07:04.47 | crhylove | I should really be rolling my own at this point, but I haven't found sufficient motivation. Yet. Devuan with Mate is damned near perfect out of the box anyway. |
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| 08:27.32 | Digit | is there some way to be rid of libpulse0 without it taking all the packages i use with it? |
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| 08:27.59 | Digit | or does it not actually contain any lennartware, n is just to make things work? |
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| 08:43.09 | GOLIN | I introduce myself: I'm a gnu/linux user and I'm very interested in devuan. My question: Why there are very few packages in Devuan compared to debian? |
| 08:46.02 | KatolaZ | GOLIN: ? |
| 08:46.24 | KatolaZ | devuan uses the same repos as Debian |
| 08:48.17 | GOLIN | Ohh sorry, maybe I got confused because I saw into this list https://www.devuan.org/os/packages/list/forked-from-debian. So sorry, my bad |
| 08:48.33 | KatolaZ | no need to apologise GOLIN |
| 08:48.46 | KatolaZ | that is just the list of packages that Devuan has modified/retailored |
| 08:48.55 | KatolaZ | wrt those in the Debian repos |
| 08:49.12 | KatolaZ | and the list is not comprehensive, since it is updated to the last release |
| 08:49.23 | KatolaZ | and a lot has happened in the menwhile |
| 08:49.27 | KatolaZ | ~meanwhile |
| 08:49.36 | GOLIN | In that case from your perspective, is it ready for a normal user, I wish to give this distro a shot |
| 08:49.42 | GOLIN | ? |
| 08:51.09 | GOLIN | I mean try it out |
| 08:55.36 | KatolaZ | GOLIN: I think I am a normal user |
| 08:55.44 | KatolaZ | and I have been using Devuan since it was in alpha |
| 08:55.48 | KatolaZ | without a single problem |
| 08:55.50 | KatolaZ | :) |
| 08:57.10 | GOLIN | :) great. |
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| 10:35.11 | Digitteknohippie | my devuan seems to be dying. did an apt-get autoremove earlier, as well as removing anything with pulse in the name (except libpulse0 which would have taken all my apps with it), and now i cant log in to tty, any new terms hand, and my existing tmux is stuck, as well as mpv freezing up. |
| 10:35.40 | Digitteknohippie | did i do something wrong? was apt-get autoremove to brutal for delicate devuan? |
| 10:42.29 | Digitteknohippie | s/hand/hang/ |
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| 11:13.56 | Digit | ok, gonna reboot it, hope that magically restores my devuan to useability |
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| 13:45.48 | Hestben | Hey guys! What is the best way to contribute to the Devuan Project? |
| 13:46.14 | Hestben | Thus far, I have only tried out Devuan in a virtual machine. |
| 13:47.00 | Hestben | And I created an issue for updating the details of upgrading from debian 8.6 to devuan here: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/issues/21 |
| 13:47.52 | Hestben | I have currently no experience creating deb packages, but I have some experience developing software in C/C++ and Python |
| 13:48.04 | Hestben | Where would I start off? |
| 13:48.32 | Hestben | Maybe I should start off upgrading my desktop system to devuan and report any issues I encounter? |
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| 14:33.54 | ttr | hey - any issues with repos - http://pastebin.com/NLk2pe0j ? |
| 14:35.50 | ttr | Hestben: whai issues you had ? could you put more details ? |
| 14:36.48 | ttr | Hestben: as I've did migration from debian to devuan in past (2 months ago) and 7 out of 10 machines did not had any issues (those 3 where bit special and issues where mostly due to how where they set up) |
| 14:37.17 | ttr | and adding what issues you had might help others - leaving info as "had some isses" is quite vague |
| 14:40.06 | Hestben | ttr: Using the instructions in https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Upgrade-to-Devuan, when purging, you couldn't purge the systemd lib, because the system was started using systemd |
| 14:40.36 | ttr | ahh |
| 14:40.41 | ttr | i think there is race condition |
| 14:41.06 | Hestben | So, I had to reboot after the dist-upgrade, to use sysvinit. Then, purging would remove xfce4 and slim anyway, so I was forced to install them again anyway |
| 14:41.48 | Hestben | ttr: It could be because the debian I was upgrading from was using xfce, upgrading from gnome might not purge xfce when purging systemd |
| 14:41.53 | ttr | since i did this mostly on servers i rebooted after apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 14:42.31 | ttr | but had this issue on desktop and manage to mock systemd status, remove all on running system and force-reboot :) |
| 14:42.38 | Hestben | ttr: that seems to be a good idea to do it. apt wouldn't remove any init system the current running session was started with |
| 14:42.49 | ttr | quite fun to see that whole thing was blocked by one line of preremove script :) |
| 14:42.56 | ttr | yeah |
| 14:44.49 | Hestben | Other than these updated instructions, I am wondering in which way I might contribute to the devuan project |
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| 14:50.03 | ttr | can't tell you :) I'm also dev1 user :) |
| 14:50.38 | Hestben | I see |
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| 15:35.42 | ttr | ah... ok - seems devuan mirrors are not updated as debian securiy is having newer version |
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| 15:40.17 | Xenguy | ttr: There seems to be a possibility of significant delay currently, mirroring security updates from debian to devuan |
| 15:40.42 | ttr | Xenguy: i noticet and i think few days ago someone was mentioning similar issue here |
| 15:40.46 | ttr | notice* |
| 15:40.50 | Xenguy | Yep |
| 15:41.36 | ttr | i'm thinking to deploy internal devuan repo mirror :) |
| 15:42.49 | Xenguy | Apparently there is a plan to improve the speed of the mirroring, and I trust it is considered a priority job, as many folks value a security-conscious distro |
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| 15:53.00 | AntoFox | hi at all |
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| 16:15.07 | somerandomnick | Well, yet more security advisories and this time one of them sounds fairly serious, meanwhile Devuan security is somewhere around 72-168 hours behind (3-7 days). |
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| 17:29.23 | DocScrutinizer05 | a question to the *real* linux admin cracks: how's bash `history -s blabla` supposed to work? particularly regarding timestamps and the obscure man history|less "+/^ *history -s arg" >>Store the args in the history list as a single entry. The last command in the history list is removed before the args are added<< |
| 17:31.03 | DocScrutinizer05 | why the heck gets last command deleted, and why fscks it up the histroy file by deleting some timestamps or whatever it does, so everything gets completely illegible by bash |
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| 17:45.35 | gci_admin | DocScrutinizer05, I've never used that. Maybe ask in #bash? |
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| 17:45.49 | DocScrutinizer05 | ta! :-) |
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| 19:14.37 | bill-auger | i added an article draft to the libreplanet wiki regarding the OpenSSL<->GPL incompatibility debate as a guide to help others decide how to handle this and similar licencing conflicts that may arise - https://libreplanet.org/wiki/Using_the_GPL_with_OpenSSL/BSD-4-clause - it includes everything i could find that is informative on the topic if you are interested to learn about the debate surrounding the conflict - better yet if |
| 19:14.37 | bill-auger | you are knowlegable about the issue - the available data is sparse so there are many questions and yet little advice - please do read it, add to it, correct it, or leave you comments |
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| 21:38.23 | nextime | o/ |
| 21:38.28 | nextime | sooo tired |
| 21:38.47 | nextime | 'back in SA, finally |
| 21:41.30 | somerandomnick | Physically tired (running a race?) or you're falling asleep (pretending to sleep on aircraft?)? |
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| 21:51.27 | nextime | i'm falling asleep cause yesterday instead of sleeping on the fly from london to cape town as usual, i was not able to sleep well cause of both my kids were sick (recovering but not yet at 100%) with seasonal flu |
| 21:51.49 | nextime | os, it was a long and hard fly |
| 21:52.34 | nextime | and today i was like a ball in a flipper cause there was food to buy, home to open and so on |
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| 21:59.22 | Venker | hi |
| 22:06.17 | somerandomnick | Doesn't sound pleasant, but there are levels of tired/sleepy *much* worse, hopefully you never experience those they are unpleasant. |
| 22:07.13 | golinux | nextime: Happy to hear you landed safely. |
| 22:07.56 | somerandomnick | Hmm, "Release file for http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/InRelease is expired (invalid since 5min 53s). Updates for this repository will not be applied." |
| 22:13.58 | Xenguy | Just got a similar message ^^ |
| 22:15.45 | Venker | I've got a question for you all: is cryptsetup giving you a timeout error when the script tries to unmount the LUKS disk? |
| 22:16.17 | Venker | I've found that it's a bug inherited from Debian, but no systemd is involved |
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| 22:17.28 | Venker | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=791944#72 |
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| 22:44.21 | somerandomnick | So, looks like the Devuan security repository is down and there is a serious security advisory out. |
| 22:45.02 | OmegaPhil | Which advisory is that for reference? |
| 22:45.25 | somerandomnick | The curl/libcurl one looks fairly bad. |
| 22:45.36 | OmegaPhil | oh god, more crap code in there eh |
| 22:48.05 | somerandomnick | Ideally the wget package would provide an script that emulates curl's command-line and thus allows it as an alternative, while curl could do similar at which point you could choose one or the other (though there wouldn't be an alternative to libcurl). |
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| 22:52.32 | somerandomnick | ^an^a |
| 22:53.00 | voyo | hello |
| 22:54.22 | voyo | parazyd: are you here? Im ready to resume investigating issue with sysv-rc packet if you are available to help ;) |
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| 23:13.38 | Venker | so, the /lib/cryptsetup/cryptdisks.functions runs better in the 2:1.7.0-2 downgraded version |
| 23:13.56 | Venker | WTF |
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| 23:34.23 | somerandomnick | Venker: While the policy changes which got Debian releases out more often are nice for being more current, they're bad since *many* more bugs are showing up in updates. |
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| 23:35.45 | somerandomnick | nextime: I'm unsure whether you handle the admin portion of the security updates, but looks like the security update situation is a rather serious situation. |
| 23:35.46 | Venker | somerandomnick: do you mean not to use testing? :-p |
| 23:48.54 | Venker | bye :) |
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