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| 00:40.11 | Vall | cyteen? |
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| 00:48.42 | golinux | remembered nextime's beach coding in Tenerife . . . |
| 01:10.16 | nextime | golinux: next week i will do some beach coding at camps bay :) |
| 01:18.39 | nextime | ouch: today eartquake in center italy from the point of view of some hunters in the bush: |
| 01:18.46 | nextime | https://www.facebook.com/sandro.mazza.3/videos/1214360055276350/ |
| 01:18.48 | nextime | impressive |
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| 04:45.27 | aitor | nextime: in the center of italy? |
| 04:47.34 | aitor | this volcano is not the Vesubio of Pompey, but the Teide in Tenerife, isn't it? |
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| 08:32.34 | AntoFox | morning!! |
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| 09:52.28 | debdog | hmm, somehow there was no link /usr/bin/gcc created |
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| 09:54.22 | debdog | or c++ or whatever is supposed to be there |
| 09:55.56 | debdog | and effin' cmake does not tell for which file it actuallyseeks |
| 09:58.58 | debdog | ahh /usr/bin/cpp -> cpp-4.9 |
| 10:00.33 | debdog | which does not explain why cmake won't find it |
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| 10:15.59 | asbesto | hello :) new libc anyone? :) |
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| 10:50.51 | parazyd | nextime: thanks, debootstrap issue is resolved :) |
| 10:57.46 | nextime | parazyd: thanks for point me on it :) |
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| 11:00.05 | DocScrutinizer05 | moin |
| 11:00.39 | Vall | parazyd: what debootstrap issue? |
| 11:00.57 | Vall | (if you don't mind me asking... ;-) ) |
| 11:05.53 | nextime | Vall: the change in devuan-keyring package has broken debootstrap key for devuan repos |
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| 11:06.51 | parazyd | moin DocScrutinizer05 |
| 11:07.12 | Vall | Thanks for the info, nextime. I actually used debootstrap to bring up a docker image for devuan this saturday and encountered no issues... was this issue fixed by then, or wasn't it in stable, or something? |
| 11:09.19 | nextime | Vall: more probably your install was a brand new one and the issue was affecting only brand new installs |
| 11:09.45 | nextime | cause the update devuan-keyring package isn't removing the old file to avoid broke compatibility with existent scripts |
| 11:09.47 | Vall | humrmrmr |
| 11:09.58 | Vall | so it should have affected me, as mine was brand-new? |
| 11:10.37 | nextime | Vall: brand new install of the system from where you launch debootstrap? |
| 11:10.59 | Vall | nextime: oh, I see what you mean. |
| 11:11.23 | Vall | Well, the debootstrap host system was installed saturday also, but I didn't install it from the repos. |
| 11:11.26 | nextime | basically, if you have /usr/share/keyrings/devuan.key including also repository keys debootstrap works good even if tthe old version |
| 11:11.38 | Vall | I installed it from a tar.gz file I made of an installation I did a few months back |
| 11:12.13 | Vall | Anyway, glad to hear it is fixed ;-) |
| 11:12.14 | nextime | so, you were not affected |
| 11:12.28 | Vall | thanks for the explanation, nextime. |
| 11:12.34 | nextime | i was not aware of the issue cause all my installs were not affected too |
| 11:12.44 | nextime | paradyz point me on that issue a couple of days ago |
| 11:12.50 | nextime | and then yesterday i fixed it |
| 11:12.51 | nextime | :) |
| 11:14.19 | Vall | go, devuan, go! ;-) |
| 11:14.36 | Vall | I've started converting my systems here to Devuan |
| 11:15.05 | Vall | two done, 4 more to go |
| 11:15.20 | Vall | Three of those are VMs running under VirtualBox |
| 11:15.44 | Vall | As I no longer run any Windows VMs here (nor do I plan to), I'm also converting from VirtualBox to docker |
| 11:16.16 | Vall | much less resource-intensive. Probably less secure too, but should be secure enough for my needs. |
| 11:16.42 | Vall | Right now I got a hanged-up docker here ;-( |
| 11:17.05 | Vall | waiting for cyteen to come online so I can ask his (her?) help... |
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| 11:17.31 | Vall | After those servers are converted, I will start converting desktops to Refracta |
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| 11:34.04 | Vall | Hey cyteen |
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| 11:50.49 | cyteen | Vall: morning |
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| 11:51.13 | Vall | How are you doing, cyteen? |
| 11:51.20 | TwistedFate | how can i see if my ntfs partitions are detected by debian? |
| 11:52.57 | cyteen | Just got a second escape path working with trueos/freebsd, I tried before but apparently the secret as always is to stop using nvidia. |
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| 11:58.10 | cyteen | also got some enlightenment e21 packages built and installed on my devuan jessie, it's been a while since I've used it so thought I'd give it a try. |
| 11:59.22 | Vall | cyteen: by "escape path with trueos/freebsd", you mean an escape from systemd? |
| 12:00.57 | cyteen | actually its more than that, I've had an aversion to anything from freedesktop, they seem to make choices that are the polar opposite to my preferences. |
| 12:01.12 | cyteen | so redhat really |
| 12:16.42 | asbesto | zaverio:/etc/nginx/sites-available# apt-get install php5-fpm |
| 12:16.42 | asbesto | Reading package lists... Done |
| 12:16.42 | asbesto | Building dependency tree |
| 12:16.42 | asbesto | Reading state information... Done |
| 12:16.42 | asbesto | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 12:16.43 | asbesto | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.44 | asbesto | Suggested packages: |
| 12:16.46 | asbesto | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.48 | asbesto | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 12:16.50 | asbesto | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.52 | asbesto | 0 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 12:16.54 | asbesto | Need to get 2,360 kB of archives. |
| 12:16.56 | asbesto | After this operation, 9,482 kB of additional disk space will be used. |
| 12:17.00 | asbesto | Do you want to continue? [Y/n] |
| 12:17.02 | asbesto | Get:1 http://packages.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-security/main php5-fpm amd64 5.6.27+dfsg-0+deb8u1 [2,211 kB] |
| 12:17.05 | asbesto | Get:2 http://packages.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main libsystemd0 amd64 215-17+deb8u5 [88.6 kB] |
| 12:17.07 | asbesto | Get:3 http://packages.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main libapparmor1 amd64 2.9.0-3 [60.3 kB] |
| 12:17.09 | asbesto | HORROR |
| 12:17.11 | asbesto | :( :( :( |
| 12:23.40 | Vall | back |
| 12:24.17 | Vall | cyteen: OK, to escape from redhat means escaping from systemd ;-) |
| 12:24.51 | Vall | Seems we are on the same boat, I've been testing FreeBSD/TrueOS here too |
| 12:25.37 | Vall | I've used FreeBSD's granddaddy (386/BSD aka Jolix) pretty extensively in the early 90s... |
| 12:26.22 | Vall | but with the BSD4.4 vs AT&T SNAFU, and Linux rise to power, I've converted to Linux and I've used it exclusively for the best part of those 20+ years |
| 12:26.46 | Vall | So I'd rather stay with Linux, and Devuan is my best bet at the moment. |
| 12:27.35 | Vall | asbesto: it's not easy to completely remove the systemd cancer from devuan... but as far as it doesn't interfere with anything, I'm happy. |
| 12:27.48 | Vall | In time, I bet it will be eventually removed... |
| 12:29.33 | Vall | Anyway, can anyone lend me a hand with GRUB2 here? I want to turn on password authentication at the GRUB2 boot menu, and I haven't a clue as to what I should put in /etc/default/grub, and indeed even if it's the right place to fiddle with |
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| 12:40.26 | djph | I don't think grub even does p/w auth ... |
| 12:40.59 | djph | though, I've also never looked too deeply into it |
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| 12:53.15 | asbesto | :D |
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| 12:57.18 | PnUic | hi guys, what do you think about Wayland? |
| 13:00.10 | Vall | djph: it does, see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/GRUB_2#Setting_a_password_for_interactive_edit_mode |
| 13:00.26 | Vall | I'm just not sure this is the correct way to do it under Devuan |
| 13:01.58 | Vall | PnUic: IMHO, X11 may have problems, but it works and I think Linux has other issues to fix before ditching a perfectly working graphics system to replace it with another, untried and entirely new one. |
| 13:02.05 | Vall | The same IMHO applies to Mir. |
| 13:02.32 | PnUic | thx Vall |
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| 13:02.55 | Vall | you are welcome. But this is just my opinion, other folks might think differently. |
| 13:03.41 | PnUic | yes, of course |
| 13:04.10 | Vall | X11 has been working fine for me for the last 20 years or so, and as they say, "if it ain't broken, don't fix it" |
| 13:04.37 | Vall | cyteen: so your problems with FreeBSD/TrueOS were the nvidia graphics drivers? |
| 13:06.04 | cyteen | yup, legacy in particular. |
| 13:07.08 | Vall | cyteen: what do you mean by "legacy"? |
| 13:07.18 | Vall | (in this particular case) |
| 13:08.00 | cyteen | they class nvidia chips of a given vintage 'legacy', same in debian. |
| 13:08.48 | Vall | Ah, I see what you mean |
| 13:09.15 | Vall | It refers to "old" nvidia chips that need a different driver set from NVidia, right? |
| 13:09.24 | djph | Vall: shouldn't matter that "its' devuan" vs anything else, I mean grub is grub afterall |
| 13:10.05 | Vall | djph: OK, but the way each distro works GRUB2 into its own way of doing things change. |
| 13:10.33 | Vall | The above URL, for Fedora, says to add the authentication commands to etc/grub.d/01_users |
| 13:10.58 | Vall | There's no such file in Devuan, and before creating it, I would like confirmation from the more experienced folks |
| 13:16.01 | cyteen | Yup that would be a new file or add the changes to the bottom 40_custom |
| 13:17.16 | cyteen | see http://superuser.com/questions/488275/grub-2-password-protection-in-debian#927677 |
| 13:18.50 | Vall | cyteen: thanks again, pal. |
| 13:21.54 | Vall | man, grub2 is really *WAY* more complicated than it should. |
| 13:21.59 | Vall | I really do miss LILO... |
| 13:23.03 | parazyd | Vall: not really :) http://sprunge.us/hfMg |
| 13:23.09 | parazyd | grub.cfg is quite simple |
| 13:24.03 | Vall | parazyd: but then you are ignoring the whole /etc/default/grub, /etc/grub.d/* stuff, no? |
| 13:28.08 | Vall | I thought that was heavily frowned upon. |
| 13:33.39 | parazyd | meh |
| 13:33.50 | parazyd | i don't really need that bloat to boot just one kernel |
| 13:40.24 | nextime | 2 |
| 13:40.32 | nextime | ops |
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| 14:15.52 | DocScrutinizer05 | (( just my opinion)) not exactly. /'m 100% backing this |
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| 14:21.13 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vall: (LILO) tell wpwrak! :-) |
| 14:23.57 | Vall | tells wpwrak that he really miss LILO... |
| 14:24.05 | Vall | DocScrutinizer05: :-) |
| 14:24.20 | Vall | parazyd: OK, I can respect that ;-) |
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| 14:39.18 | aitor | oh, nextime :) |
| 14:40.29 | DocScrutinizer05 | Vall: btw lilo seems still available as package |
| 14:41.00 | Vall | DocScrutinizer05: no doubt. But I believe in doing things "the distro way" |
| 14:41.12 | aitor | that's true... there are earthquakes in Italy :) |
| 14:41.16 | Vall | At least while I'm green as a cricket on it ;-/ |
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| 14:42.30 | DocScrutinizer05 | well, anyway I forwarded to wpwrak, not sure if ge's pleased. He dends to reject responsibility for LILO |
| 14:42.34 | DocScrutinizer05 | tends* |
| 14:42.41 | aitor | sorry, many people died months ago |
| 14:43.19 | aitor | near rome |
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| 14:58.00 | aitor_ | :( instead of :) |
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| 15:00.29 | aitor_ | they are evicting areas... |
| 15:01.06 | parazyd | https://twitter.com/mathausmendel/status/788738759621828608 |
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| 15:05.41 | antofox1 | just in case |
| 15:05.58 | antofox1 | someone have packaged gvfs without systemd??? |
| 15:26.44 | Drugo | offtopic: any idea of what is the "meta" key in MATE or how to set it? |
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| 15:33.26 | nextime | Drugo: usually by default meta key is mappet to alt |
| 15:33.36 | nextime | mappeD |
| 15:34.02 | nextime | i don't know if mate uses something different |
| 15:34.02 | asbesto | YEPPA |
| 15:34.04 | asbesto | ;) |
| 15:34.05 | nextime | bu i dubt that |
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| 15:38.00 | Drugo | nextime, ah, then Alt+' must be overwritten with some shortcut, because it switch windows instead to make accented capital letters |
| 15:41.21 | DocScrutinizer05 | you're sure you don't mean ´ or ` instead ' |
| 15:43.56 | Drugo | DocScrutinizer05, i was used to type Meta+' and then the capital letter to put the accent on it |
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| 15:51.33 | Drugo | Found! System/Preferences/hardware/keyboard/layout/options |
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| 16:02.05 | aitor | AntoFox: some versions are wrong in the Build-Depends field of gvfs |
| 16:02.32 | aitor | Unmet build dependencies: libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.45.7) libgoa-1.0-dev (>= 3.17.1) libgdata-dev (>= 0.17.3) |
| 16:02.48 | aitor | the versions are: |
| 16:03.47 | aitor | libglib2.0-dev (>= 2.42.1) libgoa-1.0-dev (>= 3.14.2) libgdata-dev (>= 0.16.1) |
| 16:05.42 | AntoFox | aitor: thank you, now try again |
| 16:07.16 | aitor | it failed, i'll try again |
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| 16:08.55 | aitor | i need to change configure.as an control.in files |
| 16:09.17 | aitor | configure.ac |
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| 16:16.58 | AntoFox | ok |
| 16:18.42 | aitor | config.status: error: cannot find input file: `po/Makefile.in.in' |
| 16:21.23 | DusXMT | aitor: perhaps try running "gettextize"? |
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| 16:22.38 | aitor | save..., i'm trying again... |
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| 16:27.09 | aitor | i added the file, getting the same error |
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| 16:36.19 | aitor | The version in debian jessie is 1.22, and the version in devuan jessie is 1.26 |
| 16:36.23 | aitor | why? |
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| 16:39.56 | AntoFox | i have 1.22 |
| 16:40.13 | AntoFox | 1.22.2-1 |
| 16:42.19 | aitor | here you are my sources.list: |
| 16:42.22 | aitor | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main |
| 16:42.34 | aitor | deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie main |
| 16:43.22 | aitor | the version of the installed gvfs is right: 1.22 |
| 16:43.40 | aitor | but the downloaded sources are 1.26 |
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| 16:45.19 | aitor | Get:1 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main gvfs 1.26.2-1+devuan1~2.gbp22681a (dsc) [3,007 B] |
| 16:45.52 | aitor | they seem backports, but i haven't any backports |
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| 16:46.57 | aitor | neither in /etc/apt/sources.list, neither in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.list |
| 16:47.19 | AntoFox | mmm strange |
| 16:47.33 | aitor | is it a glitch on amprolla, developed in Tenerife? |
| 16:48.13 | aitor | did you try downloading the sources? |
| 16:49.00 | AntoFox | I have tryed downloading the source form packages.debian.com |
| 16:49.06 | AntoFox | and from ubuntu |
| 16:49.18 | AntoFox | but without result |
| 16:49.25 | aitor | packages.debian.org |
| 16:49.44 | aitor | https://packages.debian.org/jessie/gvfs |
| 16:50.05 | AntoFox | oooops yep .org |
| 16:50.11 | aitor | you have the sources in the right panel |
| 16:51.03 | AntoFox | and now there I was able downloading the source from this link (bun for them I not have installed the packages) |
| 16:51.15 | AntoFox | http://angband.pl/debian/pool/main/g/gvfs/ |
| 16:51.50 | aitor | oh! |
| 16:52.08 | AntoFox | yes the sources.list is right |
| 16:52.18 | aitor | somebody talked about a systemd-free gvfs in the mailing list |
| 16:52.35 | aitor | exegnulinux, maybe? |
| 16:52.40 | aitor | David Hare :) |
| 16:55.43 | aitor | interesting link |
| 16:56.05 | AntoFox | very interesting |
| 16:57.07 | aitor | it also talks about lumina desktop |
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| 16:57.42 | aitor | AntoFox: see you later |
| 16:57.52 | AntoFox | ok |
| 16:58.07 | aitor | today i was working on simple-netaid-gtk3 |
| 16:58.24 | AntoFox | I see |
| 16:58.24 | aitor | i'm rewriting it using custom widgets |
| 16:58.42 | aitor | avoiding glade |
| 16:59.13 | aitor | the project is advanced |
| 16:59.18 | aitor | bye :) |
| 16:59.50 | AntoFox | bye bye |
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| 17:35.54 | nextime | probably the gvfs 1.26 has failed to build |
| 17:36.06 | nextime | and then you have source packages updated but not binary one |
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| 17:55.26 | OmegaPhil | nextime: Did you see me highlighting you yesterday at ~2PM UTC? |
| 17:55.47 | OmegaPhil | I'm about to go to dinner, but I'm stalled atm on those gbp questions |
| 17:56.02 | OmegaPhil | J.aromil responded but sounds like he doesn't use gbp |
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| 22:15.42 | aitor | gbp? |
| 22:15.54 | aitor | gvfs 1.26.2-1+devuan1~2.gbp22681a (dsc) |
| 22:18.16 | aitor | what's that? |
| 22:19.33 | aitor | Git-BuildPackage, maybe' |
| 22:20.13 | aitor | ? |
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| 22:23.49 | aitor | is 22681a the short bizarre hash of the latest version of gvfs? |
| 22:24.55 | Leander256 | if it's a git-based build, then it's most likely the SHA-1 of the commit used |
| 22:25.47 | aitor | this is bizarre :) |
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| 22:28.40 | aitor | ask to rainer |
| 22:34.51 | aitor | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20151215.195036.0ae757ea.en.html |
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| 22:45.13 | aitor | Leander256: it's a joke |
| 22:46.04 | aitor | i used this method building bulmages |
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| 22:55.49 | aitor | i'm working on bulmages, trying to personalize the templates of the invoices, etc... |
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| 23:06.35 | aitor | g'night |
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