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| 09:35.08 | AntoFox | morning!! |
| 09:36.21 | AntoFox | someone have packaged accountsservice without systemd??? |
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| 09:47.36 | debdog | just installed jessie on my new laptop, went smooth! |
| 09:48.18 | debdog | the first time I've installed devuan. on the other machines I went from wheezy to jessie |
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| 09:48.51 | debdog | one slight issue, though. bash autocompletion does not work entirely for root. |
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| 09:49.29 | debdog | had to copy the settings from user's .bashrc to the root one |
| 09:49.53 | nixer | AntoFox: what is the command to install mate-1.14 from your build? |
| 09:51.52 | AntoFox | nixer: need to create a local repo, if you have reprepro add the package and install "mate-desktop-environmente" |
| 09:52.00 | AntoFox | if you not have reprepro |
| 09:52.22 | nixer | I have the repo but yesterday I got an error. Am trying again this morning and will report |
| 09:52.33 | AntoFox | what error? |
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| 09:53.40 | fsmithred | debdog, the bash completiong thing is not new. In Debian, I've always had to copy /etc/skel/.bashrc to /root |
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| 09:54.03 | nixer | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:54.03 | nixer | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.23 | debdog | fsmithred: right, I remember issues with it on debian, too. |
| 09:54.36 | debdog | wondering if it's worth reporting a bug? |
| 09:54.49 | fsmithred | maybe it's already been discussed. |
| 09:55.06 | fsmithred | There might be a reason they do it that way, but I don't know what it is. |
| 09:55.10 | debdog | has to subscribe to ML sooner or later :) |
| 09:56.15 | debdog | haha, mayhap they want to go sudo |
| 09:57.03 | fsmithred | nixer, you have libsystemd0 banned? |
| 09:57.12 | AntoFox | https://git.devuan.org/nioanto/mate-1.14/blob/master/README.md this is readme of mate-1.14, read the description for create a local repo and install the packages with "apt-get" |
| 09:57.34 | fsmithred | the package you want needs gvfs-daemons, which needs libsystemd0 |
| 09:57.53 | AntoFox | is very simple |
| 09:58.17 | nixer | Yes, it is banned on this install. I will unban it and try. |
| 09:58.54 | fsmithred | you could try a dummy libsystemd0 |
| 09:59.12 | fsmithred | gvfs won't work right, but it will install, and the mate stuff might work right |
| 09:59.19 | nixer | fsr: you mean your version that I saw on your sourceforge? |
| 09:59.27 | fsmithred | except for device icons on desktop |
| 09:59.40 | fsmithred | I made a dummy - I think it's at the ibiblio site |
| 09:59.54 | nixer | Ok, since I am testing... I will test it. |
| 10:00.08 | fsmithred | cool, I'll be interested to hear the results |
| 10:00.57 | nixer | give me a little while... |
| 10:01.14 | nixer | need more coffee too |
| 10:01.57 | fsmithred | http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/ |
| 10:02.09 | fsmithred | yeah, I need more coffee, too. 6am here |
| 10:02.56 | fsmithred | later, you might post results either to dng mailing list or to the mate discussion at refracta forum |
| 10:03.05 | fsmithred | greenjeans would probably be interested |
| 10:03.19 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 10:05.09 | AntoFox | nixer: mmm strange I have installed this packages yesterday, re-download and try again |
| 10:08.10 | nixer | I will try again after I install libsystemd0 |
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| 10:24.04 | nixer | fsr: I tried both the dummy libsystemd0 package and the real one, still I get a broken package error. I may have another issue going on with the local repo. I will try again to build it. |
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| 12:21.16 | Vall | Howdy everyone. |
| 12:21.28 | nixer | AntoFox: I had to change one or two things from the instructions regarding folder location(s), but I got it mate1.14 installed... |
| 12:21.36 | Vall | Does anyone here know debitux, or can say whether he frequents this channel? |
| 12:21.55 | debdog | aptitude says: |
| 12:21.55 | debdog | --\ The following actions will resolve this dependency: |
| 12:21.55 | debdog | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.06 | debdog | how would I pick a certain version? |
| 12:22.25 | debdog | (trying to get rid of PA) |
| 12:23.38 | nixer | AntoFox: however, it will not login as slim gives a "Failed to execute login command". I did install the xserver-xorg |
| 12:24.38 | nixer | fsmithred: mate1.14 did want to pull in the libsystemd0 dependency, so I installed your dummy file and it still installed. However, I do get a login error. Don't know if it is related, yet. |
| 12:24.39 | debdog | nvm |
| 12:25.05 | fsmithred | thanks, nixer |
| 12:25.14 | fsmithred | I don't know if it's related, either |
| 12:25.17 | nixer | no problem |
| 12:25.28 | fsmithred | I sort of think it's not |
| 12:25.40 | fsmithred | oh, maybe |
| 12:25.52 | fsmithred | libsystemd0 includes the old systemd-logind |
| 12:26.12 | nixer | I also tried to install and login with lightdm, but no joy |
| 12:26.33 | fsmithred | lightdm doesn't use lsd0 |
| 12:26.42 | fsmithred | or doesn't need it, anyway |
| 12:26.53 | nixer | ok, just thought I would try something else |
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| 12:31.00 | Vall | So no one here knows debitux? |
| 12:31.28 | fsmithred | nixer, I do a lot of that - try something else. Eventually, something works. |
| 12:31.48 | Vall | No problem, it's because I found a bug in his Devuan docker image. Already reported it here: https://github.com/debitux/devuan-docker/issues/1 |
| 12:32.07 | Vall | (just did it, in fact). |
| 12:32.55 | Vall | The problem is that such a bug doesn't seem possible given his published build instructions, so I suspect something worse is going on, like his repository is being messed with. |
| 12:33.06 | Vall | sighs |
| 12:33.14 | Vall | new technologies, new problems... ;-/ |
| 12:34.18 | Vall | Anyway, is there anyone here using Docker with Devuan? I'm a newbie in both, but I just brought up a working Devuan Docker host and container, and would like to talk about it with someone more experienced. |
| 12:38.24 | Vall | So, is anyone here using Docker with Devuan? |
| 12:40.16 | cyteen | Vall: Yup, I just build using dbootstrap and import to docker |
| 12:40.39 | Vall | cyteen: like these instructions here? https://github.com/debitux/devuan-docker/blob/master/README |
| 12:40.47 | Vall | Or do you do anything different? |
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| 12:42.19 | cyteen | That looks familar, just checking. |
| 12:45.24 | Vall | Ok cyteen, thanks in advance. |
| 12:45.53 | Vall | I'm finding this bug in debitux devuan image very strange, and I'm about to try building my own. |
| 12:47.18 | cyteen | After the debootstrap and cleaning with rm-rf I do: |
| 12:47.20 | cyteen | tar -C devuan -c . | docker import - devuan:jessie |
| 12:47.47 | cyteen | so that your not pulling his image via docker |
| 12:49.40 | cyteen | debootstrap --no-check-gpg --arch amd64 jessie devuan-jessie/ http://packages.devuan.org/merged/ |
| 12:49.52 | cyteen | tar -C devuan -c . | docker import - devuan:jessie |
| 12:50.28 | cyteen | run in the same directory is quick and dirty |
| 12:51.10 | cyteen | sorry, second line should be:tar -C devuan-jessie -c . | docker import - devuan:jessie |
| 12:53.13 | Vall | no prob, and many thanks. Digesting what you just wrote, I'm real green in docker, even more than in Devuan... |
| 12:53.44 | Vall | I've never used -C with tar... |
| 12:53.57 | Vall | ah, change dir first |
| 12:54.10 | Vall | I usually do that with "(cd bla; tar -c)" |
| 12:55.56 | Vall | Also, you ignore GPG, while debitux doesn't |
| 12:58.08 | cyteen | In that his way is better, as I say quick and dirty. Also clearing the apt with the rm -rf does make the base image smaller. He only forgot the import so that the docker build line pulled in his image not the one vuilt locally. |
| 12:58.13 | cyteen | built |
| 12:59.16 | Vall | OK |
| 12:59.19 | Vall | makes sense |
| 13:01.29 | Vall | So, the better procedure would be to do exactly what debitux put in his README, but them finish it with the "tar | docker import" like you did? |
| 13:02.24 | cyteen | Yes, then you'll see the image available in 'docker images'. Us that as you would any other image. |
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| 13:02.59 | Vall | What does the "docker build" in his README do? |
| 13:03.11 | Vall | (sorry for the stupid questions) |
| 13:05.13 | cyteen | For him it would look in the local directory for a Dockerfile and build an image with a tag 'debitux/devuan:stable' In the event there is no Dockerfile it will pull the image from the docker repo |
| 13:06.14 | Vall | OK |
| 13:06.35 | Vall | So he needs the Dockerfile in the same directory, and you don't |
| 13:08.27 | cyteen | I'd assume that he locally has some local changes he wants in the image he wants to build and just forgot to type the import line in the readme. |
| 13:09.15 | cyteen | his dockerfile would start FROM: debitux/devuan:stable |
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| 14:05.10 | nixer | fsmithred: I removed your empty libsystemd0 program and installed the one from the devuan repos and now mate will login okay |
| 14:07.02 | OmegaPhil | nextime: I've been reading into gbp (not something I've used before), quite a lot going on with that suite, and in this case both Debian and Devuan are using gbp, so it becomes very confusing what upstream is, etc |
| 14:07.10 | OmegaPhil | How would you pull down the latest Debian version and integrate into the Devuan system? Currently looking at the branches, it looks like upstream/2.1.3 is intended to be genuine freedesktop upstream (no Debian dir), you then created a pristine-tar branch, and then hacked on master |
| 14:07.23 | OmegaPhil | It would be nice if I could just ' gbp import-orig --uscan', but then that really pulls from upstream, and has nothing to do with the Debian package that I really want to update the current repo with. |
| 14:07.55 | OmegaPhil | (For anyone else, I'm looking into how to update https://git.devuan.org/OmegaPhil/udisks2 with the latest Debian version) |
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| 14:47.03 | jaromil | OmegaPhil: AFAIK most branches where imported from Debian alioth's git repository |
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| 14:47.27 | OmegaPhil | Ive poked around https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/pkg-utopia/udisks2.git |
| 14:47.56 | OmegaPhil | What I mean is, presumably I can't just extract the new version straight over the top of the current repo and call it a day |
| 14:48.06 | OmegaPhil | Theres a procedure/tools to use |
| 14:48.30 | OmegaPhil | I've read the gbp docs, there are a number of well-defined branches etc |
| 14:48.57 | OmegaPhil | Although there is a suggestion with udisks2 that gbp wasn't used intiially (but nextime started using it in 2015?) |
| 14:49.36 | asbesto | yo :) |
| 14:50.52 | jaromil | there is an upstream/version branch, a debian branch and then jessie/ascii/ceres branches where to open a 'build' issue to trigger jenkins |
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| 14:52.11 | OmegaPhil | Yeah, but do you know how gbp factors into this? |
| 14:52.33 | OmegaPhil | I.e. what gbp command do I use to start off the process of importing (or is it manual)? |
| 14:52.50 | jaromil | it is manual |
| 14:53.03 | OmegaPhil | Oh :/ |
| 14:53.20 | OmegaPhil | Theres a fair amount of docs written on importing with gbp :/ |
| 14:55.05 | jaromil | nothing prevents you to use gbp to import |
| 14:55.25 | OmegaPhil | Only my understanding. |
| 14:55.46 | OmegaPhil | gbp is based on the idea of debian and upstream, but here we have devuan, debian and upstream |
| 14:55.59 | OmegaPhil | So I don't know how to start it off |
| 14:56.14 | jaromil | well we can use your impression this is not yet set in stone and ideally we should already have a simple and more concise document to resume the steps to do in devuan |
| 14:56.44 | OmegaPhil | k |
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| 15:03.56 | OmegaPhil | Right, I can start manually (importing a branch from the Debian repo locally, then merging it into master here), but before I start I want to understand how upstream and pristine-tar branches work here |
| 15:04.19 | OmegaPhil | From my understanding, these are gbp things, and I don't want to invalidate them by ignoring and going ahead on my own |
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| 15:14.27 | unixuser___ | I compiled a new kernel and installed it |
| 15:14.40 | unixuser___ | I get kernel panic not syncing vfs |
| 15:14.53 | unixuser___ | I guess this has something to do with initramfs |
| 15:15.02 | unixuser___ | I remeber having to make one for debian along time ago |
| 15:15.13 | unixuser___ | I don't remeber the particulars |
| 15:18.08 | unixuser___ | looks like I don't have an intrid.img for the new one |
| 15:18.28 | DusXMT | unixuser___: Yeah, if you've built your filesystem drivers as kernel modules, you'll need an initrd |
| 15:18.40 | xuzer | DusXMT: do you recall the command |
| 15:18.56 | xuzer | I know I did it 50 times over the years |
| 15:18.59 | DusXMT | update-initramfs? (I'm not on Debian/Devuan atm though) |
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| 15:20.28 | n4dir | well: which command did you use to compile the kernel, xuzer |
| 15:22.07 | xuzer | ok it's generating |
| 15:22.10 | n4dir | like said yesterday this: |
| 15:22.16 | n4dir | fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-greek-hero-name" --revision "datestamp" --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 15:22.19 | n4dir | will create one |
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| 15:26.50 | unxuser | kernel seems to work, now to build the nvidia driver |
| 15:26.56 | unxuser | kern is a 3.19.x one |
| 15:27.01 | unxuser | so should work right? |
| 15:27.09 | unxuser | 4.x only came out last year or so |
| 15:28.03 | zdzichu | Linux 4.0 has been released on Sun, 12 Apr 2015. |
| 15:28.26 | unxuser | that was that long ago? |
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| 15:28.32 | unxuser | year + went by fast |
| 15:30.20 | unxuser | ok well here goes nothing, pretty-new kernel, plus nvidia driver |
| 15:30.57 | unxuser | after shutdon |
| 15:31.08 | unxuser | checking 'hlt' instruction.... |
| 15:41.49 | unxuser | it appears the nvidia driver is working with this kernel |
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| 15:47.56 | unxuser | X says failed to initialize GLX extension, compatable NVIDIA X driver not found |
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| 16:07.20 | unxuser | seems to work now, sound doesn't tho |
| 16:09.22 | unxuser | what do I do? |
| 16:10.23 | unxuser | no /dev/dsp |
| 16:11.21 | DusXMT | unxuser: You can find OSS4 on the internet, from 4front? (they have a paid and a free version) |
| 16:15.58 | unxuser | DusXMT: shouldn't alsa work |
| 16:16.58 | unxuser | I had sound via alsa with the older kernels, now with the new one no sound, no /dev/dsp tc |
| 16:17.42 | unxuser | meaning the driver must be gone or something |
| 16:18.28 | DusXMT | unxuser: /dev/dsp is an OSS thing |
| 16:18.44 | Vall | unxuser: OSS4? Ah, the goode olde Open Sound System |
| 16:18.52 | DusXMT | try: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 16:19.04 | Vall | Didn't know it still existed, thought it had been completely obsoleted by ALSA |
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| 16:22.02 | unxuser | cat: /proc/asound/cards: No such file or directory |
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| 16:25.33 | unxuser | DusXMT: it doesn't exist |
| 16:26.16 | DusXMT | then you probably either don't have alsa enabled in the kernel, or built your sound drivers as kernel modules and for some reason it didn't load them by default |
| 16:26.51 | unxuser | they're modules I'm sure |
| 16:27.15 | unxuser | how might I figure out what soundcard hardware it is and how would I load them at startup? |
| 16:28.53 | unxuser | ill check the config tho, I thought 2.6 was alsa and make oldconfig would be fine with it tho |
| 16:29.46 | cyteen | if you look in lspci for something like 'Audio Controller' |
| 16:30.30 | unxuser | DusXMT: it was not enabled |
| 16:30.47 | unxuser | neither alsa nor oss |
| 16:30.51 | unxuser | got to recompile |
| 16:31.13 | DusXMT | It should recompile pretty quick, as long as you didn't clean the source directory |
| 16:31.21 | DusXMT | (or changed some fundamental settings) |
| 16:33.10 | unxuser | 02:00.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation Unknown device 0e0f (rev a1) |
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| 16:42.18 | unxuser | rch/x86/kernel/sysenter_32.c: In function âarch_setup_additional_pagesâ: |
| 16:42.18 | unxuser | arch/x86/kernel/sysenter_32.c:311:11: warning: taking address of expression of type âvoidâ [enabled by default] LDS arch/x86/kernel/vsyscall_32.lds AS arch/x86/kernel/vsyscall-int80_32.o AS arch/x86/kernel/vsyscall-note_32.o SYSCALL arch/x86/kernel/vsyscall-int80_32.so |
| 16:42.23 | unxuser | gcc: error: elf_i386: No such file or directory |
| 16:42.25 | unxuser | make[1]: *** [arch/x86/kernel/vsyscall-int80_32.so] Error 1 |
| 16:42.28 | unxuser | make: *** [arch/x86/kernel] Error 2 |
| 16:42.30 | unxuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:42.32 | unxuser | damn |
| 16:42.36 | unxuser | guess I'm screwed |
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| 16:43.04 | unxuser | DusXMT: any ideas? |
| 16:43.19 | unxuser | the kernel compiled before, but now enabling the audio it does not |
| 16:43.35 | unxuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.35 | unxuser | gcc: error: elf_i386: No such file or directory |
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| 16:44.58 | DusXMT | You _might_ need to do a clean re-compile. Move your .config away (eg. into /tmp), run "make mrproper", copy it back in, run "make oldconfig" (won't ask any questions thankfully), and then make |
| 16:45.20 | unxuser | ok |
| 16:48.46 | unxuser | ok making |
| 16:48.51 | unxuser | will take awhile |
| 16:49.01 | DusXMT | yeah, unfortunately |
| 16:49.32 | unxuser | failed |
| 16:49.33 | unxuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.33 | unxuser | gcc: error: elf_i386: No such file or directory |
| 16:49.33 | unxuser | make[1]: *** [arch/x86/kernel/vsyscall-int80_32.so] Error 1 |
| 16:49.33 | unxuser | make: *** [arch/x86/kernel] Error 2 |
| 16:49.36 | unxuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.13 | DusXMT | that's odd... |
| 16:51.12 | DusXMT | (and just a note, it'll probably be easier to set up this porter machine as a VM, that way you'll have a stable "hardware" platform that'll always work and not need new drivers and kernels) |
| 16:51.54 | DusXMT | (With KVM, you can get almost-native emulation speeds) |
| 16:54.01 | unxuser | sounds like a good idea |
| 16:54.57 | unxuser | and changed the -m elf_i386 part to -m32 in Makefile stored in arch/i386/kernel directory, and it solved the problem, for the future reference. |
| 16:55.01 | unxuser | "" "" |
| 16:55.06 | unxuser | seems to be working so far |
| 16:55.34 | unxuser | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/10425761/kernel-compile-error-gcc-error-elf-i386-no-such-file-or-directory |
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| 17:12.35 | Vall | cyteen: are you on? |
| 17:13.00 | cyteen | Still here |
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| 17:16.25 | Vall | cyteen: just to report that I followed your instructions and now I have my own Devuan docker image ;-) |
| 17:16.49 | cyteen | Good news. |
| 17:17.15 | Vall | cyteen: thanks again for the great help |
| 17:17.53 | Vall | My plan is to migrate my entire server environment from RHEL+VirtualBox to Devuan+Docker |
| 17:18.23 | Vall | I expect I will have a much faster environment running on a much more modest machine |
| 17:18.35 | cyteen | I kicked around with the zfs packages the other day to see if the both built and could install. It all worked but the install has problems on ascii as systemd deps are still being pulled in. |
| 17:18.36 | zdzichu | you're using virtualbox? why? |
| 17:19.02 | Vall | zdzichu: for historical reasons |
| 17:19.28 | Vall | When I started using it for my servers, back in 2005 or so, there was no option |
| 17:19.43 | Vall | And at the time I also needed to run Windows VMs sporadically |
| 17:19.52 | Vall | Now I don't, and docker seems really nice |
| 17:20.13 | zdzichu | I see |
| 17:20.43 | Vall | cyteen: regarding zfs, you mention "It all worked but the install has problems on ascii"; does this means it's working OK on Jessie? |
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| 17:21.31 | cyteen | On jessie I have to use the zfsonlinux sources.list but I'm using it as the moment. |
| 17:22.34 | Vall | cyteen: isn't it the best to always use the zfsonlinux sources? I mean, they are supposed to be more robust, no? |
| 17:23.21 | cyteen | I'm under the impression that jessie is their last release and its moving into debian contrib as a license work around. |
| 17:25.03 | Vall | Humrmr |
| 17:25.22 | Vall | That would suck, as it would probably mean they will be relying on systemd |
| 17:28.01 | cyteen | I think that not a problem, the systemd issue I had was that the newer xfce4 packages in ascii aren't cleaned yet of systemd deps, most work is going into the stable release 1.0 at the moment. (not by me I hasten to add, the crew here) |
| 17:28.43 | Vall | cyteen: my idea here is to use zfs under Refracta. It is Jessie-based, right? |
| 17:29.49 | cyteen | The script I pointed you to the other day is what I ran from a refracta livesd to fresh install on a hdd. |
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| 17:33.04 | Vall | cyteen: I don't remember ;-/ |
| 17:33.20 | Vall | cyteen: can you please point me to it again? |
| 17:33.23 | cyteen | https://gist.github.com/cyteen/5aa0ec66cbafd5879e3d0ae7c566fba6 |
| 17:36.43 | Vall | thanks cyteen |
| 17:36.45 | cyteen | I should really be split into two, At the moment it has an exit 0 at the end of the first half, support for zfs inside the livecd, comment it out and it will run all the way through. |
| 17:37.38 | Vall | "support for zfs inside the livecd " -> "INSTALL support for zfs inside the livecd", right? |
| 17:41.07 | cyteen | yup |
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| 17:44.50 | cyteen | I dd refracta to an sdcard, scp the script to the running machine, run it, and had hoped to run refractasnapshot or refracta2usb to give an sd image that would support zfs without having to instal it each time. I'm missing something about those programs and it doesn't work the way I asking it to. |
| 17:53.31 | unxuser | kernel/built-in.o: In function `mutex_lock': |
| 17:53.31 | unxuser | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24/kernel/mutex.c:92: undefined reference to `__mutex_lock_slowpath' |
| 17:53.34 | unxuser | kernel/built-in.o: In function `mutex_unlock': |
| 17:53.37 | unxuser | /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.24/kernel/mutex.c:118: undefined reference to `__mutex_unlock_slowpath' |
| 17:53.40 | unxuser | make: *** [.tmp_vmlinux1] Error 1 |
| 17:59.39 | unxuser | nm ignore |
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| 18:08.01 | unxuser | (wrong kernel) |
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| 18:29.38 | unxuser | now I have a soundcard but no sound |
| 18:29.55 | unxuser | I can play with the values in alsamixer |
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| 18:31.25 | TwistedFate | unxuser, have you unmuted the playback? |
| 18:31.48 | TwistedFate | if it has "M" under its graph, its muted. |
| 18:33.33 | unxuser | yes its unmuted |
| 18:41.30 | unxuser | TwistedFate: also as a user I am told there is no space left on device |
| 18:41.44 | unxuser | as root im told there is 7GB left on device |
| 18:42.10 | TwistedFate | unxuser, how much space did you give to /home? |
| 18:42.19 | unxuser | everything is on one partition |
| 18:42.26 | unxuser | I just deleted some files |
| 18:42.32 | unxuser | root sees the capacity increase |
| 18:42.44 | unxuser | user sees 0% space |
| 18:42.49 | unxuser | and cannot write files |
| 18:43.13 | TwistedFate | strange |
| 18:45.18 | unxuser | is it some secure linux bullshit |
| 18:45.22 | unxuser | the NSA stuff? |
| 18:46.31 | TwistedFate | i dont think so |
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| 18:50.08 | golinux | unxuser: Maybe you need an.asoundrc file? |
| 18:51.09 | unxuser | the kernel had the NSA linux stuff in it |
| 18:51.13 | unxuser | im recompiling without it |
| 18:51.20 | unxuser | man this is just a nightmare |
| 18:51.23 | unxuser | nothing works |
| 18:51.32 | unxuser | well the gfx card now works |
| 18:51.39 | unxuser | but now I can't write files as user |
| 18:52.01 | OmegaPhil | Maintaining state is overrated. |
| 18:52.20 | nextime | I'm alive! |
| 18:52.44 | OmegaPhil | spam highlighted you a bit earlier |
| 18:52.48 | nextime | I survived a whole day with my kids with a residual flu and my wife in the hard days of flu |
| 18:53.10 | OmegaPhil | Fruit, vegetables and a little exercise means you'll almost never be ill |
| 18:53.17 | nextime | only me in whole family to do all things, from bath for the kids to cook and so on |
| 18:53.21 | nextime | and i survived! |
| 18:53.48 | OmegaPhil | Now you can get depressed over code! |
| 18:54.12 | nextime | OmegaPhil: false, this of course can make your body a little bit more resistant from a statistical point of view, but it can't do what you say |
| 18:54.22 | OmegaPhil | Works for me |
| 18:54.25 | unxuser | OmegaPhil: this didn't happen before I recompiled with alsa enabled |
| 18:54.37 | unxuser | what the hell is going on |
| 18:54.40 | unxuser | why does linux suck? |
| 18:55.27 | OmegaPhil | Compiling your own kernel is an advanced thing though |
| 18:55.32 | unxuser | should I just give up? |
| 18:55.36 | n4dir | Yes. |
| 18:55.39 | unxuser | should I just give up? |
| 18:55.55 | unxuser | I am losing files now because of this fucking operating system |
| 18:55.56 | nextime | doesn't compile a kernel, except for embedded things, since 15 years now |
| 18:56.30 | nextime | today kernels are ok and enough modular, so, except for very specific needs, there is no point in compile it |
| 18:56.54 | unxuser | nextime: nvidia driver would not work with the kernel on the OS |
| 18:56.57 | unxuser | it oopsed |
| 18:56.57 | nextime | and as it's long time demostrated now, making a monolitic kernel doesn't improve security in any way |
| 18:57.01 | unxuser | I had to get a new one |
| 18:57.11 | unxuser | i did not have a choice |
| 18:57.22 | OmegaPhil | Well, Nvidia. |
| 18:57.25 | nextime | unxuser: nvidia it's a module |
| 18:57.31 | nextime | so, whay it doesn't work? |
| 18:57.36 | unxuser | nextime: fuck off |
| 18:57.39 | nextime | and why you need to recompile whole kernel to make it work? |
| 18:57.42 | unxuser | nextime: fuck off |
| 18:57.57 | unxuser | as I said the kernel OOPSed |
| 18:58.11 | unxuser | and the newest kernel for the distro was 2.6.x |
| 18:58.12 | zdzichu | please watch your language |
| 18:58.27 | unxuser | which the nvidia module wouldn't work with (it should but it didn't) |
| 18:58.37 | unxuser | but I'm sure you'll tell me "upgrade to new distro" |
| 18:58.41 | unxuser | heard it allready |
| 18:58.41 | OmegaPhil | unx, a certain person here is King of Devuan BTW. |
| 18:58.43 | nextime | unxuser: a ok, so, you run an obsolete too old distro a pretend to run update proprietary drivers? |
| 18:58.46 | nextime | :D |
| 18:59.01 | unxuser | nextime: fuck off |
| 18:59.05 | nextime | unxuser: no, i don't thell you to upgrade to a new distro |
| 18:59.13 | unxuser | 15:10 < nextime> unxuser: a ok, so, you run an obsolete too old distro a pretend to run update proprietary drivers? |
| 18:59.17 | unxuser | you just did |
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| 18:59.20 | unxuser | in a snide way |
| 18:59.23 | nextime | no |
| 18:59.29 | nextime | i'm not telling to upgrade distro |
| 18:59.39 | unxuser | ok, then we're good |
| 18:59.41 | zdzichu | at least stick to the drivers fro the same era |
| 18:59.42 | nextime | i'm telling to avoid use too updated driver on that distro |
| 18:59.47 | nextime | the opposite thing |
| 18:59.48 | unxuser | the driver works |
| 18:59.58 | unxuser | I have to use newest because of card |
| 19:00.14 | unxuser | which I had to get because nvidia card broke for no reason |
| 19:00.29 | unxuser | and now I'm losing data because users think 0 space on disk |
| 19:00.35 | unxuser | while root sees it has space |
| 19:00.53 | unxuser | after compiling the non-working alsa modules |
| 19:01.03 | nextime | ok then you are on a border line case |
| 19:01.35 | unxuser | before I compiled the alsa things, this wasn't happening |
| 19:01.41 | nextime | i feel the force in you, so, shouts a curse against any god you (don't) like |
| 19:01.46 | nextime | and fix that shit |
| 19:01.46 | nextime | :) |
| 19:01.51 | TwistedFate | lol |
| 19:02.30 | unxuser | I don't know how the distros make the kernel work for everyone |
| 19:02.43 | unxuser | In the past, the 2.4 days it did, I could compile it fine |
| 19:02.44 | nextime | unxuser: no distro do that |
| 19:02.54 | unxuser | these days, there's 10000 gotchas |
| 19:03.06 | nextime | unxuser: a distro kernel it's just a very modular kernel that can work good for 99.9% of use use cases |
| 19:03.10 | nextime | not 100% |
| 19:03.22 | nextime | and as today kernels are very modular |
| 19:03.26 | nextime | usually it works |
| 19:03.49 | nextime | in last 15 years i needed to compile kernels just in very border line cases or on deeply embedded things |
| 19:03.58 | nextime | and i'm not the "common user" at all |
| 19:04.03 | nextime | so, it just works |
| 19:04.14 | nextime | but of course, there is no way to cover 100 |
| 19:04.17 | nextime | % |
| 19:04.18 | OmegaPhil | is getting dangerously close to it with AUFS support in Debian |
| 19:04.47 | nextime | qhere "it works" would say probably something like |
| 19:04.56 | nextime | in 90% of cases it works as is it |
| 19:05.09 | nextime | in 9.9% of cases you just need to build some modules |
| 19:05.20 | nextime | 0.1%, well, build your own kernel |
| 19:05.38 | unxuser | I hope disabling the nsa secure linux stuff fixes this |
| 19:06.44 | nextime | well |
| 19:06.56 | nextime | there is an exception on what i just said |
| 19:07.16 | nextime | there is one guy that thinks something will work and MUST be used by 100% of people |
| 19:07.23 | nextime | ( and of course he is wrong ) |
| 19:07.28 | nextime | the name is Poettering |
| 19:07.29 | nextime | :_) |
| 19:26.21 | Centurion_Dan1 | o/ |
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| 19:29.57 | Centurion_Dan1 | nextime, last time I built a kernel was probably 6 or 7 years ago to get additional realtime optimisations for low latency audio mastering. Since then Debian has had a realtime kernel. Prior to that I used to rebuild them to optimise for 32bit AMD processors. Other then that it would only be for trying to find fixes for obscure hardware (usually gpu) |
| 19:36.40 | unxuser | I had to do this" |
| 19:36.41 | unxuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:36.41 | unxuser | tune2fs 1.40.8 (13-Mar-2008) |
| 19:36.41 | unxuser | Setting reserved blocks percentage to 1% (400962 blocks) |
| 19:36.42 | unxuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:37.20 | unxuser | but recompiling the audio as all modules now too, as I compiled as static and maybe it's using the wrong one? |
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| 19:53.26 | Centurion_Dan | nextime: OmegaPhil is right re diet & exercise. And it does make a really really big difference. I can tell when I have been slack and too much eating crappy processed food because I end up feeling like a slug and get sick all the time. |
| 19:54.26 | OmegaPhil | For a few years all I did was force more fruit and vegetables (little exercise) and that was enough too |
| 19:54.33 | OmegaPhil | Nowadays I have to bike placed mind |
| 19:56.28 | Centurion_Dan | Of course mega-dose Vitamin C is a quick way to reduce the severity and in some cases resolve illness, but it takes some perseverance to get those doses high enough orally... |
| 19:57.13 | unxuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.13 | unxuser | <stdin>:2:0: fatal error: when writing output to /tmp/cceMXnBS.s: No space left on device |
| 19:57.15 | Centurion_Dan | and maintain them without tipping over the precipice of bowel tolerance.... |
| 19:57.24 | unxuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.25 | unxuser | wtf? |
| 19:57.34 | unxuser | so I can't compile anymore |
| 19:58.14 | Centurion_Dan | your tmp device may be a fixed size ram drive... |
| 19:58.29 | Centurion_Dan | unxuser: what does df report? |
| 19:59.02 | unxuser | /dev/sda5 158989996 146694776 10691372 94% / |
| 19:59.02 | unxuser | varrun 2073484 120 2073364 1% /var/run |
| 19:59.03 | unxuser | varlock 2073484 0 2073484 0% /var/lock |
| 19:59.03 | unxuser | udev 2073484 124 2073360 1% /dev |
| 19:59.03 | unxuser | devshm 2073484 0 2073484 0% /dev/shm |
| 19:59.05 | unxuser | overflow 1024 20 1004 2% /tmp |
| 19:59.07 | unxuser | gvfs-fuse-daemon 158989996 146694776 10691372 94% /home/home/.gvfs |
| 19:59.49 | unxuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.49 | unxuser | <stdin>:2:0: fatal error: when writing output to /tmp/cc0e4liF.s: No space left on device |
| 19:59.52 | unxuser | compilation terminated. |
| 19:59.55 | unxuser | make: *** [vmlinux] Error 1 |
| 19:59.57 | unxuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.57 | unxuser | I can't compile anymore |
| 19:59.58 | unxuser | wtf |
| 20:00.07 | unxuser | why is temp 1024? |
| 20:00.19 | Centurion_Dan | your tmp is only 1024? |
| 20:00.27 | Centurion_Dan | and "free" |
| 20:00.50 | unxuser | my /tmp was on / |
| 20:00.59 | unxuser | but now with NNEEWWW kernel nothing fking works |
| 20:01.01 | unxuser | NOTHIGN |
| 20:01.05 | unxuser | it's all different |
| 20:02.10 | Centurion_Dan | just umount /tmp and it should revert back to using disk based tmp. |
| 20:05.23 | unxuser | I never even mounted /tmp |
| 20:06.44 | unxuser | ill bbl |
| 20:06.56 | unxuser | restarted and trying to get this kern compiled again |
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| 21:44.35 | home | recompiled |
| 21:44.39 | home | sound still doesn't output |
| 21:44.45 | home | it goes throught the motons |
| 21:44.49 | home | but no snd |
| 21:45.02 | home | âââââââââââââââââââ[AlsaMixer v1.0.15 (Press Escape to quit)]âââââââââââââââââââ |
| 21:45.05 | home | â Card: HDA NVidia â |
| 21:45.09 | home | â Chip: Realtek ALC888 â |
| 21:45.12 | home | â View: [Playback] Capture All â |
| 21:45.16 | home | â Item: Master [dB gain=-9.00] |
| 21:45.35 | home | how do I fix this? |
| 21:45.50 | home | nothing is muted |
| 21:45.58 | home | it's alsa only , no pulse |
| 21:49.23 | penelopa | The Russian Federal Security Service continues to intercept and modify the traffic to Internet users in the network provider Rostelecom. Specifically, my traffic trying to block and make negative changes that lead to unstable operation of TCP. Today, spent 2 hours on the introduction of modifications to the TCP stack of the Linux operating system and tuning rules iptables. Now more or less it began to work. And that was a real horror, the compounds constant |
| 21:49.36 | penelopa | From specialist provider of Rostelecom succeeded only shamefaced recognition that it is not their fault. They did not say anything. Conclusions can be done only on the fact that it is the machinations of the Russian FSB. |
| 21:49.45 | penelopa | See all: http://pastebin.com/dQPH1bwY |
| 21:49.58 | penelopa | Determined traffic interception with rules described above to already open connections. Detect stealth scan packets Sonam RST flag, bags sborosa incorrect connection. |
| 21:50.08 | penelopa | Determined traffic interception with rules described above to already open connections. Detect stealth scan packets with a RST flag packets incorrectly reset the connection. |
| 21:50.18 | penelopa | Also detected by blocking banal answers to the already-open TCP connections. |
| 21:50.33 | penelopa | Russian Federal Security Service has learned to change the flags of TCP and ICMP packets field. |
| 21:50.43 | penelopa | It is necessary to talk to all the experts on information and network security. As well as leading developers and core network subsystem packet filtering on Linux and BSD systems. |
| 21:50.51 | penelopa | This should be aware of all !!! |
| 21:50.58 | penelopa | I apologize for the long monologue. |
| 21:54.54 | MinceR | home: does your /etc/asound.conf contain uncommented references to 'pulse'? |
| 21:55.20 | MinceR | when i switched from PA to plain ALSA on debian7, i found those there, i commented out all the lines in my /etc/asound.conf and it started working |
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| 21:56.18 | nextime | penelopa: this is a real shit, and it absolutely need to be addressed if it's real, and yes, ai agree that the community as a whole needs to be informed |
| 21:56.21 | nextime | BUT |
| 21:56.27 | nextime | this is not the right place to do that |
| 21:56.36 | nextime | if i can suggest anything |
| 21:56.45 | nextime | put all your *EVIDENCES* about it |
| 21:56.56 | nextime | somewhere in the wild online |
| 21:57.17 | nextime | and then start linking it on social networks and, in case of just a link, even here it's ok |
| 21:57.45 | nextime | but a monologue without evidences, hard to share in a place dedicated to other things |
| 21:57.50 | penelopa | nextime: Please tell us all about it. I am unable and do not know how to communicate with anyone who is interested in publishing this information. |
| 21:57.51 | nextime | isn't the right way to obtain anything |
| 21:58.33 | nextime | penelopa: just write down evidences in a txt file, put it somewhere on the web, on github, on your own server, everywhere you like, even on a pastebin |
| 21:58.39 | nextime | and start share the link |
| 21:58.42 | nextime | and that's all |
| 22:01.44 | penelopa | nextime: I already wrote about it in January 2015. In autumn 2015 Google Chrome, Adobe Flash player downloading sites are not producers, and subnet provider Rostelecom. After I wrote this, I was a week later was sent to a psychiatric hospital for 3 months. How I got out just in the beginning of April 2016. I am afraid to write anything on his own behalf. Poetto and ask you to tell everyone. |
| 22:02.45 | penelopa | *Therefore, I ask you to tell everyone. |
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| 22:04.48 | home | MinceR: I don't have an /etc/asound.conf |
| 22:05.10 | OmegaPhil | Isn't that important configuration? |
| 22:05.12 | home | I do have an /etc/asoundconf (no . , which is strange...) and it's empty |
| 22:05.24 | OmegaPhil | Has lots of plugin information etc |
| 22:05.28 | home | OmegaPhil: how would I generate it? |
| 22:06.14 | OmegaPhil | Nope, I'm wrong |
| 22:06.27 | OmegaPhil | I've moved mine, mustnt be vital |
| 22:07.31 | OmegaPhil | /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf |
| 22:07.36 | OmegaPhil | ^ Thats what I was thinking of |
| 22:08.16 | OmegaPhil | I don't have any other active ALSA configuration here |
| 22:08.27 | nextime | penelopa: i will not, until you gave us evidences. |
| 22:08.46 | nextime | and i will ban you from this channel if you continue to stay so ot without evidences. |
| 22:09.45 | home | penelopa: why would you be sent to a psych jail? |
| 22:10.03 | home | and if you didn't want to go, why didn't you just simply shoot whomever was kidnapping you?? |
| 22:10.19 | golinux | I don't have an /etc/asound.conf either |
| 22:10.58 | golinux | or /etc/asoundconf |
| 22:11.06 | MinceR | home: also, some applications may be set up to send their output directly to PA |
| 22:11.09 | penelopa | nextime: Got than frighten me. And it is impossible you see in the above I, we are talking about TCP and ICMP protocols fields? |
| 22:11.11 | home | OmegaPhil: there are no refrences to pulse |
| 22:11.22 | home | MinceR: I'm testing with mpg123-alsa |
| 22:11.28 | home | it plays the file, no sound output tho |
| 22:11.29 | MinceR | ic |
| 22:11.46 | home | my previous kernel was a 2.6 |
| 22:11.51 | home | this is a 3.19 now |
| 22:11.57 | home | something changed |
| 22:11.59 | OmegaPhil | Still pretty old ;) |
| 22:12.12 | home | yea but atlease the nvidia driver works now |
| 22:12.20 | penelopa | home: If I had a gun, I would have it to use against them. |
| 22:12.37 | home | penelopa: buy a few black pipes and make a 4winds shotgun |
| 22:12.44 | home | anyone can have a gun if they want |
| 22:13.00 | OmegaPhil | I haven't had serious ALSA issues before, not enough to fight on the kenrel level |
| 22:13.02 | OmegaPhil | aplay -L |
| 22:13.08 | OmegaPhil | That'll show the various outputs |
| 22:13.15 | OmegaPhil | speaker-test --test wav --channels 2 |
| 22:13.25 | OmegaPhil | Thats a nice generic stereo output test |
| 22:14.00 | OmegaPhil | Something could be blocking the audio device perhaps, but normally that wouldnt happen all th etime |
| 22:14.10 | home | http://pastebin.ca/3734610 |
| 22:14.23 | OmegaPhil | If you use SPDIF out, 'iecset' is also somethign to be aware of |
| 22:14.29 | penelopa | home: Bring me this miracle weapon for free, I will be grateful to you. |
| 22:14.37 | home | google it |
| 22:14.41 | OmegaPhil | The passthrough mode can kill normal audio if you dont know whats happening |
| 22:15.00 | home | speaker-tests gives no sound |
| 22:15.10 | OmegaPhil | yeah, wont if ALSA's fucked |
| 22:15.16 | OmegaPhil | >NVIDIA |
| 22:15.28 | OmegaPhil | Did they do the mobo? |
| 22:15.34 | home | yes I think so |
| 22:15.38 | home | 2008 box |
| 22:15.40 | OmegaPhil | Weird |
| 22:16.02 | OmegaPhil | The default card sounds pretty standard |
| 22:16.14 | home | penelopa: guns aren't complicated, maybe you were out of your mind hysterical and that's why you were in the ward for a month |
| 22:16.29 | OmegaPhil | HDA ATI SB, ALC889 Analog <- This is my default |
| 22:16.30 | home | saw some woman be like that last night actually |
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| 22:17.38 | home | hmm it's working now |
| 22:17.44 | OmegaPhil | Oo? |
| 22:18.14 | penelopa | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:18.45 | home | penelopa: I'm just saying what I saw myself |
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| 22:19.02 | home | lady ruind the party last night |
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| 22:20.08 | OmegaPhil | The OP returns to the shadows. |
| 22:21.50 | home | is DVI or VGA better to use? |
| 22:22.05 | OmegaPhil | Depends on the RES, but DVI is digital so presumably that |
| 22:22.06 | home | this nvidia card you guys made work has both |
| 22:22.15 | OmegaPhil | DVI-Dual? |
| 22:22.16 | nextime | in theory dvi has more bandwith and it's digital, so, it's better |
| 22:22.43 | home | the monitor had hdmi inputs so I had to get a DVI-hdmi cable |
| 22:22.58 | home | but it expects sound to come with that hdmi |
| 22:23.04 | home | so the audio cable is ignored |
| 22:26.03 | home | OmegaPhil: only one DVI |
| 22:26.08 | home | the 550ti had dual |
| 22:26.11 | home | but it broke |
| 22:26.22 | home | so I had to get a 730 as a replacement |
| 22:26.22 | OmegaPhil | DVI-D is two normal DVI signals in one socket |
| 22:26.27 | home | o |
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| 22:26.36 | home | let me look at the specs |
| 22:26.39 | OmegaPhil | It gets confusing, I think theres DVI-I, DVI-D, then DVI-Dual |
| 22:26.48 | OmegaPhil | The latter is the 2x one |
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| 22:27.27 | home | yes DVI-Dual the box says |
| 22:27.33 | OmegaPhil | best |
| 22:28.09 | home | I wonder how I can get the flat panel to use the aux audio input rather than the nonexistant hdmi channel audio |
| 22:28.34 | OmegaPhil | give up on the integrated speakers |
| 22:29.03 | home | OmegaPhil: I don't have any outboards for this room |
| 22:29.18 | home | I have extra speakers but no good amp for them |
| 22:29.26 | home | the ones I have are broken |
| 22:30.12 | OmegaPhil | HDMI passthrough is a bit weird, even libre radeon drivers took a long time to do it right |
| 22:30.20 | OmegaPhil | doesn't use it, has just read about it |
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| 22:32.22 | home | thankyou for your help again |
| 22:33.00 | home | and when the disc wasn't allowing writing because the newer kernel enforces a 5% over provisioning for root |
| 22:33.06 | home | "who needs to save state" |
| 22:33.06 | home | lol |
| 22:33.39 | OmegaPhil | Ive been fighting the root-reserved blocks since 2007, thats not new |
| 22:33.51 | OmegaPhil | Just extfs defaults |
| 22:37.03 | home | OmegaPhil: it didn't happen on the 2.6 kern that was on here |
| 22:37.17 | home | I don't know why |
| 22:37.26 | home | maybe that was disabled? |
| 22:37.51 | home | or buggy? |
| 22:38.04 | OmegaPhil | I can't really say, it was one of the first serious fuckups I had to magically discover and fight when I frist got at GNU/LInux systems |
| 22:38.12 | OmegaPhil | Was a remote server so was 'great fun' |
| 22:38.21 | nextime | tunefs doesn't help? |
| 22:38.28 | OmegaPhil | Yeah he did that earlier |
| 22:38.44 | OmegaPhil | I think, i remember tune2fs mentioned |
| 22:39.18 | nextime | tune2fs -m 0 /dev/XXXN should make reserved blocks to 0 |
| 22:39.47 | nextime | making all reserved space available |
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| 22:43.05 | home | ill see you later, got to clean up all the misc comp equip lying around now that the issues are fixed :P |
| 22:43.10 | home | thanks alot again |
| 22:43.25 | home | and keep up the good work on not-systemd/linux |
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| 22:43.42 | aitor | hi |
| 22:43.54 | home | hi |
| 22:44.39 | aitor | Trisquel 8 may be based on Mate |
| 22:44.45 | aitor | https://trisquel.info/es/forum/gnuinos#comment-104959 |
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| 22:59.38 | aitor | Fylgje is new |
| 23:14.57 | aitor | Potato has joined |
| 23:16.53 | Fylgje | installing Devuan ..... |
| 23:17.13 | Fylgje | on a LenovonB50-80 |
| 23:17.52 | Fylgje | and Potato was my first Linux distro .... :D |
| 23:18.08 | nextime | good old potato |
| 23:18.09 | nextime | :) |
| 23:18.15 | Fylgje | yes! |
| 23:18.51 | nextime | old days when debian was debian, no need to fork it to still it |
| 23:19.11 | Fylgje | Are there missing packages in Devuan Mate? |
| 23:19.37 | nextime | same as in debian i can say |
| 23:19.44 | nextime | but i don't really know as i don't use mate |
| 23:19.46 | aitor | did you try Lindows Tomato Garden? |
| 23:19.53 | nextime | but there are people working on it |
| 23:20.42 | Fylgje | don't like *dows "systems" |
| 23:21.14 | aitor | nextime: are you in Tenerife? |
| 23:21.25 | nextime | aitor: actually no |
| 23:21.31 | aitor | oh |
| 23:21.33 | nextime | aitor: why? |
| 23:22.09 | nextime | aitor: i have an home close to Arona |
| 23:22.11 | aitor | you spoke about tenerife |
| 23:22.21 | nextime | but my primary residence is in South Africa |
| 23:22.34 | aitor | Arona is in SA? |
| 23:22.37 | nextime | I'm Italian, and i stay also very often in france |
| 23:22.44 | nextime | aitor: no ok wait |
| 23:22.52 | nextime | my primary home is in Cape Town, South Africa |
| 23:23.18 | nextime | My secondary home, where i come from, is close to the airport of Milan MXP, in Italy, and that's where i am right now |
| 23:23.38 | nextime | then, i have two sea homes, one in France, menton, close to the italian border |
| 23:23.41 | nextime | and one in tenerife, Arona |
| 23:23.42 | aitor | I know, you are from milano |
| 23:24.12 | nextime | the fact about tenerife is that when i start to write the first amprolla |
| 23:24.16 | nextime | i was in tenerife |
| 23:24.17 | nextime | :D |
| 23:24.40 | nextime | so, golinux probably yesterday remembered that |
| 23:25.11 | nextime | anyway |
| 23:25.22 | nextime | you usually will find me in July and August in France |
| 23:25.31 | nextime | in February in Tenerife |
| 23:25.46 | nextime | october and xmas in Italy |
| 23:25.52 | nextime | the rest of the year in south africa |
| 23:26.15 | aitor | and the moon? |
| 23:26.36 | nextime | not yet :) |
| 23:26.42 | aitor | lol |
| 23:26.50 | nextime | hope soon for mars |
| 23:27.00 | nextime | but there are some technical issues |
| 23:27.01 | nextime | :) |
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| 23:28.37 | aitor | bye :) |
| 23:41.33 | Vall | cyteen, are you around? |
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| 23:59.43 | Vall | cyteen, are you on? |