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| 06:23.55 | aitor | Inocuous: are you there? |
| 06:26.13 | aitor | Yesterday i leave my laptop in the office... |
| 06:27.27 | aitor | You asked: |
| 06:27.39 | aitor | On the first instance opening the terminal it asks for my root password. subsequent windows do not. |
| 06:27.51 | aitor | How do I change that so it always asks for the root password when I open a root terminal? |
| 06:28.14 | aitor | You need to add the following line to /etc/sudoers: |
| 06:28.26 | DusXMT | aitor: with gksu? Doesn't it provide 3 radio-button options for how long to remember the password? |
| 06:28.35 | aitor | Defaults timestamp_timeout=0 |
| 06:29.14 | aitor | If you add: Defaults timestamp_timeout=5 |
| 06:29.31 | aitor | Then the system will remember the password during 5 seconds |
| 06:29.51 | aitor | radio-buttons? |
| 06:29.55 | aitor | where? |
| 06:30.19 | aitor | Add this line behind: |
| 06:30.20 | aitor | Defaultssecure_path="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin" |
| 06:34.52 | aitor | fsr still is asleep |
| 06:34.59 | aitor | fsmithred: Ping |
| 06:35.11 | DusXMT | aitor: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8000dpww12osb7d/2016-10-29-083429_1440x900_scrot.png?dl=0 |
| 06:35.20 | aitor | Dang. Wake up fsr! |
| 06:35.23 | DusXMT | But perhaps it's different on different DEs |
| 06:35.54 | aitor | fsr is more sleepyhead than Lopsid |
| 06:35.55 | aitor | https://voat.co/v/RANTANDBITCH/1246340 |
| 06:36.17 | aitor | DusXMT: it not depends on the used DE |
| 06:36.47 | aitor | you can use it also in a server system |
| 06:37.11 | DusXMT | aitor: Then why not just untick "Remember password" in the dialog :) |
| 06:37.40 | DusXMT | and gksu doesn't really make sense in a server environment |
| 06:38.21 | aitor | gksu and gksudo are for graphical applications |
| 06:38.44 | aitor | DusXMT: is this screenshot in jessie or ascii? |
| 06:38.51 | DusXMT | Jessie |
| 06:38.56 | aitor | ok |
| 06:39.04 | DusXMT | Did it change in Ascii? |
| 06:39.23 | aitor | nice wallpaper :) |
| 06:39.32 | aitor | i don't know |
| 06:39.46 | aitor | i have a hard disk with ascii xfce |
| 06:39.50 | DusXMT | talked about gksu since that's what launches "the root terminal" menu item, or perhaps gksudo |
| 06:39.57 | aitor | i installed it for building linux-4.x |
| 06:40.09 | aitor | i'm too fast with the screwdriver :) |
| 06:40.12 | DusXMT | since the original question was about that |
| 06:41.00 | aitor | i also prefer "su" than "sudo" |
| 06:41.07 | DusXMT | me too |
| 06:42.07 | aitor | you can use both |
| 06:42.58 | aitor | if you are using sudo, you can add a password for root |
| 06:43.08 | aitor | and then you can use "su" |
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| 06:43.27 | Leander256 | or you can sudo -s |
| 06:43.50 | aitor | if you can't add the password to root, you must change: |
| 06:44.08 | aitor | root:!:....[etc] |
| 06:44.11 | aitor | by: |
| 06:44.22 | aitor | root:*: .... |
| 06:44.45 | aitor | in /etc/shadow |
| 06:45.14 | aitor | Nooo |
| 06:45.27 | aitor | it works with root:!: |
| 06:45.38 | aitor | it's extrange... |
| 06:46.10 | aitor | Because debian-installer fails giving the password to root if you have root:!: in etc/shadow |
| 06:46.22 | DusXMT | aitor: If you have permission to edit /etc/shadow, you probably have permission to run $ sudo passwd; as well =3 |
| 06:47.13 | aitor | i edit /etc/shadow with a LiveCD |
| 06:47.14 | aitor | lol |
| 06:47.31 | DusXMT | aitor: if you have a live cd, you can also chroot :) |
| 06:48.12 | DusXMT | (of course, not if the systems use a different CPU architecture, eg. a system image for an ARM board) |
| 06:49.01 | aitor | as i said some other time: this irc is for lunatic cats :) |
| 06:49.39 | aitor | need to go: no coffie at home :( |
| 06:49.50 | aitor | see you later :) |
| 06:50.00 | DusXMT | see 'ya |
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| 07:25.26 | aitor | Hi again |
| 07:25.33 | aitor | i rectify: |
| 07:26.57 | aitor | for (int i=1; i<=100; i++) printf ("Yesterday i *left* my laptop in the office"); |
| 07:27.43 | aitor | and: |
| 07:27.45 | aitor | it's *strange* |
| 07:28.50 | aitor | sorry, i needed coffee |
| 07:32.27 | aitor | i said above: |
| 07:33.27 | aitor | debian-installer fails giving a password to root if you have root:!:..... in the /etc/shadow |
| 07:33.58 | aitor | but surelly it failed for me having: |
| 07:34.08 | aitor | root:!:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 07:34.15 | aitor | instead of: |
| 07:34.23 | aitor | root:*:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 07:34.40 | aitor | in the /etc/passwd of the chroot |
| 07:35.17 | DusXMT | aitor: So... you modified /etc/passwd before the installation even asked you for your user details? |
| 07:35.48 | aitor | i seem to remember failing d-i in that case trying to add d-i to Katolaz's isos |
| 07:37.40 | aitor | No, the installer only asks the passwords for root and the user |
| 07:38.17 | aitor | if you leave root's password in blank, then you will have sudo permissions |
| 07:38.39 | aitor | this is in the case of d-i, of course |
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| 07:43.38 | aitor | i don't know what to do this morning, i'm doubting about: |
| 07:44.07 | aitor | 1) A multilingual openbox-logout in gtk |
| 07:44.40 | aitor | 2) a Gtk dinamical menu for openbox |
| 07:44.55 | aitor | I have an idea for this last one, using: |
| 07:45.29 | aitor | mygtkmenu: |
| 07:45.31 | aitor | https://www.google.es/search?q=mygtkmenu&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj87uq4wv_PAhWBPxQKHYGvARYQsAQIJg&biw=1280&bih=653 |
| 07:45.50 | aitor | together with openbox-menu |
| 07:46.16 | aitor | i did it in gnuinos 1, and it worked |
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| 07:46.38 | aitor | i added this menu to the top-left hot corner |
| 07:47.01 | aitor | i'lll record a video an show to you |
| 07:47.54 | aitor | there have been changes in both mygtkmenu and openboxmenu |
| 07:48.21 | parazyd | aitor: what do you use to record? |
| 07:48.58 | aitor | simple-something... |
| 07:49.01 | aitor | save... |
| 07:49.57 | aitor | simple-screen-recorder, maybe... |
| 07:50.33 | aitor | i only recorded a few videos |
| 07:51.13 | parazyd | ah |
| 07:51.29 | parazyd | i used to use that, now just ffmpeg |
| 07:51.52 | parazyd | http://sprunge.us/CDHH |
| 07:52.07 | aitor | this is one of them: |
| 07:52.21 | aitor | http://gnuinos.org/simple-netaid-gtk3/snetaid |
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| 07:54.08 | aitor | parazyd: what am i supposed to do with this file? |
| 07:55.40 | parazyd | it's a shell script |
| 07:55.45 | parazyd | depends on wmutils |
| 07:55.59 | parazyd | so you run record to start recording, and record -k to stop |
| 07:56.28 | parazyd | https://pub.parazyd.cf/dev/random/ff.webm |
| 07:57.45 | aitor | i'll give it a try, thanks |
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| 07:59.14 | parazyd | :) |
| 07:59.41 | aitor | let's do it; otherwise, i'll spend all morning in the irc |
| 07:59.45 | parazyd | these you'll need |
| 07:59.47 | parazyd | https://github.com/wmutils/libwm |
| 07:59.52 | parazyd | https://github.com/wmutils/core |
| 08:00.25 | aitor | ok, any existent .deb, isn't it? |
| 08:01.26 | parazyd | no, don't think so |
| 08:01.26 | aitor | no, there is no wmutils in the repo |
| 08:01.32 | parazyd | these are very minimal c programs |
| 08:01.57 | aitor | Visual-C ? |
| 08:02.00 | aitor | lol |
| 08:02.21 | aitor | thanks, see you :) |
| 08:02.54 | parazyd | lol i scared aitor off :D |
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| 08:22.01 | OmegaPhil | nextime: Is there anything I can do to progress this: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/udisks2/issues/15 |
| 08:22.09 | OmegaPhil | I asked 2 months ago on the ticket, but no response |
| 08:22.40 | OmegaPhil | If it actually means I need to fight some issue on Stable, I'm still interested (I use ascii personally) |
| 08:33.55 | OmegaPhil | Can't tell if 'Ben Walsh' is around, but this too: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/openssh/issues/12 |
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| 08:48.34 | nextime | OmegaPhil: the thing you can do to speed up things is to adopt the package and do the update yourself, or push to the actual maintainer |
| 08:49.14 | OmegaPhil | takes a look |
| 08:50.00 | OmegaPhil | I can see a Request Access button |
| 08:50.24 | OmegaPhil | I'll start with that |
| 08:54.06 | OmegaPhil | Have forked udisks2, I'll look into how all the branches work |
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| 13:45.29 | Vall | Hello everyone. |
| 13:45.47 | NewGnuGuy | Vall: hello |
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| 13:45.56 | aitor | hello |
| 13:46.07 | NewGnuGuy | aitor: hello |
| 13:46.22 | aitor | :) |
| 13:46.25 | Vall | Is there an easy way to regenerate all the /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key* files? |
| 13:46.46 | NewGnuGuy | Vall: no idea |
| 13:46.59 | Vall | I'm used (RHEL) to just removing these files and restarting ssh, /etc/init.d/sshd on RHEL regenerates them automatically. |
| 13:48.49 | Vall | sighs |
| 13:49.02 | Vall | on a related note, it's impressive the amount of systemd trash still left to remove |
| 13:49.13 | Vall | dpkg -L openssh-server |
| 13:49.24 | Vall | /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service |
| 13:49.24 | Vall | /lib/systemd/system/ssh@.service |
| 13:49.24 | Vall | /lib/systemd/system/ssh.socket |
| 13:49.26 | Vall | :/- |
| 13:49.30 | Vall | :-P |
| 13:50.00 | aitor | Vall: |
| 13:50.01 | aitor | http://www.cloudvps.com/community/knowledge-base/regenerating-ssh-host-keys/ |
| 13:50.26 | asbesto | :( |
| 13:50.30 | asbesto | this systemd cancer is everywhere |
| 13:50.50 | premoboss | asbesto, aspettiamo la stable di devuan :-) |
| 13:51.21 | asbesto | don't wait for the stable release! USE IT NOW! |
| 13:51.45 | asbesto | I'm actually devuanizing an online server... ;) |
| 13:51.54 | Vall | thanks aitor |
| 13:53.14 | aitor | aitor learn a new word in italian |
| 13:53.38 | aitor | aspettiamo means espero |
| 13:55.11 | aitor | premoboss: the beta of devuan works fine |
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| 13:55.56 | aitor | espero meams i hope |
| 13:56.02 | aitor | means |
| 13:57.01 | premoboss | beta has inside still traces of systemd |
| 13:58.16 | Vall | OK |
| 13:58.20 | Vall | got it |
| 13:58.37 | Vall | in order to regenerate the openssh keys in devuan (or in debian), just do that: |
| 13:58.55 | Vall | mkdir /tmp/etc_ssh_saved_keys |
| 13:59.07 | aitor | yes, there is still a lot of work for removing all the dependencies on udev |
| 14:00.12 | Vall | mv /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key{,.pub} /tmp/etc_ssh_saved_keys |
| 14:00.17 | Vall | and finally: |
| 14:00.26 | Vall | dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 14:00.34 | Vall | This will regenerate all ssh keys |
| 14:01.05 | aitor | ok |
| 14:01.15 | Vall | (ailtor, the URL you passed only regenerated the RSA and DSA keys, not the EC and ED noes) |
| 14:01.24 | Vall | er, aitor |
| 14:01.29 | aitor | ok, thanks |
| 14:02.53 | aitor | as i said, udev is intrinsic to systemd, and there are still a lot of packages depending on it |
| 14:03.23 | golinux | aitor: fsr is away for a few days. |
| 14:03.33 | golinux | Not much online |
| 14:03.38 | aitor | i supossed |
| 14:04.25 | golinux | After the refracta release he could use a little break. |
| 14:04.33 | aitor | fsr obeys to Den mother |
| 14:06.31 | golinux | I don't think so . . . ;) |
| 14:07.15 | aitor | lol, you wil know better |
| 14:11.50 | aitor | time to time i read some comments in the forum of refracta, i'm still not registered |
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| 14:13.24 | aitor | i suspect that figlfdev is irish, but my assumptions are allways erroneous |
| 14:13.49 | aitor | always |
| 14:14.18 | aitor | figlfdev likes puppy linux |
| 14:15.27 | NewGnuGuy | aitor: Is the goal to replace dependency on udev with dependency on eudev so as to avoid udev's dependency on systemd? (I'm speaking based on knowledge only gained minutes ago on Wikipedia) |
| 14:16.22 | aitor | the goal is to replace it with dependency on vdev |
| 14:16.48 | aitor | but they are lot of packages |
| 14:17.22 | aitor | including the grub, the initramfs-tools, xorg... |
| 14:17.43 | aitor | the solution is to replace: |
| 14:17.50 | aitor | Depends: udev |
| 14:17.55 | aitor | by: |
| 14:18.11 | aitor | depends: udev | vdev |
| 14:18.37 | NewGnuGuy | goes back to Wikipedia to learn about vdev |
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| 14:19.01 | aitor | is it in wikipedia? |
| 14:19.10 | aitor | i didn't search it |
| 14:20.22 | NewGnuGuy | is unable to find relevant article on Wikipedia; proceeds to DuckDuckGo |
| 14:22.26 | aitor | there is an article on oracle.com |
| 14:22.39 | aitor | https://blogs.oracle.com/7000tips/entry/vdev_what_is_a_vdev |
| 14:23.05 | NewGnuGuy | thx |
| 14:23.14 | aitor | there are more articles, thanks |
| 14:24.37 | aitor | i knew duckduckgo, but i not frequented it :) |
| 14:24.46 | aitor | see you :) |
| 14:25.33 | NewGnuGuy | It's my web search engine of choice. |
| 14:25.52 | aitor | i'm going to shopping |
| 14:26.08 | NewGnuGuy | buy all the things |
| 14:26.26 | aitor | BTW, where is my t-shirt of devuan? |
| 14:26.42 | aitor | oh, i understand |
| 14:26.58 | aitor | you have no control o0n the t-shirsts |
| 14:27.02 | aitor | sorry |
| 14:27.11 | aitor | :) |
| 14:27.20 | NewGnuGuy | it's cool |
| 14:28.33 | Lydia_K | The stuff I ordered arrived, so it'll be show up :) |
| 14:29.01 | Lydia_K | s/be// |
| 14:29.54 | golinux | Lydia_K: Show us those hot pants! |
| 14:30.28 | Lydia_K | LOL |
| 14:30.43 | golinux | Didn'y you have a deal with hellekin? |
| 14:30.53 | Lydia_K | I did! |
| 14:30.54 | golinux | didn't |
| 14:31.02 | Lydia_K | but I never got a picture of him. |
| 14:32.47 | Lydia_K | I forgot what his picture was supposed to be of.. perhaps him in the hot pants. |
| 14:32.55 | Lydia_K | Anyway, he chickened out. |
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| 14:37.59 | golinux | I thought you were sharing a front/back view |
| 14:38.22 | Lydia_K | haha, only if he shared one too. |
| 14:38.41 | Lydia_K | And I didn't promise any specific angles! |
| 14:38.51 | Lydia_K | takes the picture from 100 yards away |
| 14:38.59 | golinux | LOL! |
| 14:44.29 | Lydia_K | Honestly I've been wary of even posting a picture of me wearing the tank top. |
| 14:49.40 | TwistedFate | gaahhh, i hate it when people post wall of text without paragraphs, citations etc. just a huge blob of text, it makes me go tldr every time >.< |
| 15:00.27 | IoFran | I have an error http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_2016-10-29_08-04-42-yN88VNJk.png when installing a container, any idea? |
| 15:05.37 | IoFran | thx |
| 15:09.09 | Lydia_K | Sorry, I don't really have any experience with LXC containers. |
| 15:10.33 | IoFran | Lydia_K: thanks |
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| 15:30.39 | DusXMT | I wonder, is there a way to set a service _not_ to start on boot-up? |
| 15:31.01 | zdzichu | DusXMT: during the package installation? |
| 15:31.16 | DusXMT | (Debian's "start everything" is kinda an anti-feature imho, but it is "user friendly") |
| 15:31.24 | zdzichu | DusXMT: https://major.io/2014/06/26/install-debian-packages-without-starting-daemons/ |
| 15:32.20 | DusXMT | zdzichu: Thanks |
| 15:36.26 | DusXMT | It still starts the installed package's daemon by default... |
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| 15:37.29 | IoFran | I use https://git.devuan.org/gregolsen/lxc-devuan/tree/master and when create the container, i have an error http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_2016-10-29_08-04-42-yN88VNJk.png |
| 15:37.39 | zdzichu | it certainly shouldn't. Maybe it packaging error |
| 15:37.46 | zdzichu | it's |
| 15:38.37 | parazyd | IoFran: debootstrap is broken |
| 15:38.45 | parazyd | wait it out until it's fixed |
| 15:38.55 | parazyd | or find a way to add --no-check-gpg as an arg to it |
| 15:39.39 | IoFran | parazyd: ok, thanks |
| 15:39.58 | parazyd | sure |
| 15:40.09 | DusXMT | Well, does anyone know which resource I should look at when trying to disable a daemon on bootup? (instead of this magic file) |
| 15:40.21 | DusXMT | s/look at/look up/ |
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| 15:41.08 | parazyd | DusXMT: update-rc.d foo disable? |
| 15:41.45 | furrywolf | update-rc.d, or manually remove it from /etc/rc*.d |
| 15:41.45 | DusXMT | parazyd: Yup, that seems to be it, thanks |
| 15:41.56 | parazyd | :) |
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| 15:56.28 | IoFran | parazyd: Where I see that packages are broken or fixed? |
| 15:56.51 | parazyd | search through issues on git.devuan.org |
| 15:56.56 | IoFran | ok |
| 15:57.05 | parazyd | like this for ex: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/debootstrap/issues/18 |
| 15:57.16 | parazyd | :) |
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| 16:35.26 | fsmithred | Vall, even easier: ssh-keygen -A |
| 16:36.00 | golinux | Hello stranger |
| 16:36.16 | fsmithred | hi |
| 16:36.28 | fsmithred | I spent the day in DC yesterday |
| 16:36.53 | fsmithred | went to National Gallery of Art to see the last supper |
| 16:37.07 | fsmithred | sorry, real title is "Sacrament of the Last Supper" |
| 16:37.09 | golinux | Why? |
| 16:37.24 | fsmithred | it's one of my favorite paintings |
| 16:37.32 | fsmithred | had a date with my ex gf |
| 16:37.45 | golinux | Ah, the real truth. ;)\ |
| 16:38.06 | fsmithred | we're still friends, but 500 miles apart |
| 16:38.07 | golinux | sorry for the fat fingers. |
| 16:38.20 | golinux | PM? |
| 16:38.21 | fsmithred | thought you had a noodle on your chin |
| 16:39.35 | fsmithred | Lydia_K, yes, it was Hellekin in hot pants. I had forgotten, but the mention of it reminded me. |
| 16:48.08 | Lydia_K | :D |
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| 16:54.11 | golinux | Lydia_K: You could do a headless shot |
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| 16:56.00 | Lydia_K | Oh certainly |
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| 17:04.10 | asbesto | https://lab.dyne.org/FromWheezyToDevuan |
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| 17:07.07 | unixuser | hi |
| 17:07.16 | asbesto | hi :) |
| 17:07.20 | unixuser | I'm wondering if you can help me |
| 17:07.37 | unixuser | I figure all the gear heads from debian went here |
| 17:07.48 | unixuser | when systemd stunk up the old shop |
| 17:08.50 | unixuser | The problem is... though nvidia's literature claims that my kernel and other things are well within the minimum requirements... for their driver.... the truth is their driver causes a kernel oops |
| 17:09.06 | unixuser | Figure A: http://pastebin.ca/3734039 |
| 17:09.49 | unixuser | Figure B (Nvidia's min reqs: http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/367.57/README/minimumrequirements.html |
| 17:10.04 | unixuser | My box: Linux version 2.6.24-32, X.Org X Server 1.4.0.90, module-init-tools version 3.3-pre11, ldd --version : ldd (GNU libc) 2.7, /usr/local/lib/libvdpau (version 0.2) |
| 17:10.10 | Lydia_K | You sure you built the driver against the proper kernel headers? |
| 17:10.48 | unixuser | I believe so, but there sure are alot of symlinks in the headers area |
| 17:10.57 | unixuser | it is possible it wasn't done right |
| 17:11.27 | Lydia_K | I'm gonna go with the easy one, have you tried a different kernel version? |
| 17:12.08 | Drugo | 2.6? What distribution is that? |
| 17:12.40 | unixuser | Drugo: old debian |
| 17:12.57 | unixuser | old but good for compiling 32 bit bins for distribution |
| 17:12.57 | Drugo | unsupported i guess |
| 17:13.07 | unixuser | woody is unsupported too |
| 17:13.16 | unixuser | they don't support the good ones |
| 17:13.21 | unixuser | it's their way now |
| 17:13.25 | Lydia_K | Is it a 32 bit kernel? |
| 17:13.29 | unixuser | yes |
| 17:13.33 | unixuser | and a 32 bit driver |
| 17:13.53 | unixuser | and has to be old or else the binaries I make on here won't be very universal |
| 17:13.55 | Lydia_K | I'm surprised they still support 32 bit drivers. |
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| 17:15.19 | unixuser | Lydia_K: maybe they dont... |
| 17:15.24 | unixuser | this one isn't working |
| 17:15.32 | Lydia_K | Maybe try an older driver? |
| 17:15.52 | Lydia_K | I'm sure they have an archive up of all their old releases. |
| 17:16.08 | unixuser | the card is too new |
| 17:16.18 | unixuser | my old card died |
| 17:16.25 | unixuser | so I had to get a new one that was similar |
| 17:16.37 | unixuser | ofcourse, they coudn't just do a die shrink... |
| 17:17.05 | unixuser | 13:19 < r4f_debian> unixuser, Debian Jessie is almost perfect, just is not perfect, for perfection doesn't exist in this world, but it's better and much more stable than any other unix-like system you know everywhere. And Support here is High Quality. Why don't you come back to Debian and forget the others ? |
| 17:17.13 | unixuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:17.15 | unixuser | what bullshit |
| 17:17.18 | unixuser | wow |
| 17:17.43 | Lydia_K | It's like an advertising bot |
| 17:17.46 | Lydia_K | amazing. |
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| 17:18.24 | Lydia_K | unixuser: I would try to re-build with a different version kernel, you might get lucky and it might "just work" |
| 17:19.19 | Lydia_K | A newer card with an older kernel and an Nvidia driver is going to be a real crap-shoot for compatibility |
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| 17:21.09 | unixuser | Lydia_K: what kernel version would you recomend? |
| 17:21.44 | unixuser | if I go too new, too many things might have changed (did that once, when they changed from using /dev/ to uuids by default) |
| 17:23.23 | Lydia_K | Honestly? I dunno. I'd see what other kernels are available in your older version of debian there and pick one that's a version up or down, if possible. |
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| 17:25.24 | DusXMT | unixuser: I thought userspace software doesn't communicate directly with the kernel, but with the C library? Updating the kernel and keeping your userspace libraries the same shouldn't make a difference on the binaries you compile on the system |
| 17:26.10 | DusXMT | Not to mention that with Linux, they strictly enforce not breaking backwards compatibility with userspace |
| 17:26.26 | unixuser | DusXMT: the bootup system changes |
| 17:26.31 | unixuser | like from using |
| 17:26.36 | unixuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:26.51 | unixuser | to /dev/somethingbyuuid/092840r809wd0cuwue0f9u209u4r09u9204fr809fw8092809f80294809809428r09280948r09f80if09i290u093489084209r809283r0948r09 |
| 17:27.15 | unixuser | guess that's where systemd got the idea |
| 17:27.17 | unixuser | the kernel |
| 17:27.25 | n4dir | well: /dev/sda is still there |
| 17:27.28 | DusXMT | unixuser: But if you pass root=/dev/sda1 on the kernel command line, it'll still understand that |
| 17:27.42 | DusXMT | /dev/disk/by-uuid/* are symlinks to /dev/* |
| 17:27.55 | DusXMT | unixuser: And the bootloader is managed by the userspace |
| 17:28.02 | unixuser | why do they used disk by uuid at all? |
| 17:28.10 | DusXMT | unixuser: Because it's more robust? |
| 17:28.13 | Leander256 | something that changed and is a pain is the name of network devices, but you can enforce the old style with a kernel parameter that I forgot |
| 17:28.26 | n4dir | for example if you have an USB Stick, it might be called different now and then. |
| 17:28.32 | unixuser | network devices changed now too? |
| 17:28.36 | DusXMT | Leander256: I thought that was done by udev, renaming the devices |
| 17:28.39 | DusXMT | also userspace |
| 17:28.45 | unixuser | udev is garbage |
| 17:29.21 | fsmithred | hard drives don't always come up in the same order, so the device name might change, but the uuid is constant |
| 17:29.23 | DusXMT | unixuser: If you install a new hard drive into your system and it recognizes it as sda and your old main hdd as sdb, if you're using UUIDs, it'll still work |
| 17:29.44 | DusXMT | s/still work/still boot/ |
| 17:30.54 | DusXMT | You can even enable the old IDE drivers and use /dev/hda* if you please =3 |
| 17:30.57 | DusXMT | does that on 4.1.15-gentoo-r1 |
| 17:31.11 | DusXMT | Because of certain features that aren't supported by the new drivers |
| 17:31.23 | DusXMT | (but this is a very specific situation) |
| 17:33.13 | unixuser | DusXMT: I just did this |
| 17:33.25 | unixuser | cloned a 300gb dying drive to a 1tb new drive |
| 17:33.30 | unixuser | worked as you said |
| 17:33.46 | unixuser | excpt new vid card to replace dead vidcard |
| 17:33.53 | unixuser | that... has had some problems |
| 17:34.15 | unixuser | but I used clonezilla |
| 17:34.22 | Leander256 | DusXMT: yes it's actually udev doing that (the network device names) |
| 17:34.37 | DusXMT | Leander256: :) |
| 17:34.39 | unixuser | so I thought it changed the uuids manually, as there was a setting that sounded like it did that |
| 17:35.02 | DusXMT | the UUID is a property of the filesystem |
| 17:35.30 | DusXMT | If you byte-copy a filesystem, the UUID will be the same |
| 17:37.16 | Lydia_K | You can use tune2fs to view/set the UUID on a filesytem |
| 17:37.34 | n4dir | blkid will show it |
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| 17:39.20 | asbesto | https://lab.dyne.org/GnuLinuxPurification |
| 17:40.57 | unixuser | DusXMT: really? didnt know that |
| 17:41.09 | unixuser | I thought it was the UUID shown on the case of the HDD |
| 17:41.46 | DusXMT | unixuser: No. Even Windows partitions have something similar, the "serial number" (but it's quite shorter and clashes are more easily possible) |
| 17:42.25 | unixuser | Any bets on whether the driver will work this time? |
| 17:42.26 | DusXMT | unixuser: In fact, the UUID has been present with us since ext2 =3 |
| 17:44.07 | DusXMT | unixuser: If you've created an exact clone, I don't see a reason why it shouldn't. Perhaps the performance won't be ideal if it uses a different sector size |
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| 17:44.31 | unixuser | yes, sector by sector copy |
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| 17:45.55 | DusXMT | unixuser: You can even boot into a live CD and extend the partition(s) on it, either with gparted, or with fdisk + resize2fs + dd (of you have to change a partition's offset) + patience |
| 17:48.50 | DusXMT | never understood the hate UUIDs got |
| 17:50.15 | unixuser | strange, the distro says these kernels are x86_64 |
| 17:50.34 | unixuser | but it's a 32 bit distro |
| 17:50.47 | unixuser | and they run, and the 32 bit everthing runs |
| 17:50.55 | unixuser | is there a way I can discover the truth? |
| 17:51.09 | DusXMT | It's possible, the PPC gentoo live CD does that as well (there's both 32bit and 64bit kernels, but only a single 32bit userspace) |
| 17:51.23 | unixuser | would I need to compile a 64 bit nvidia driver? |
| 17:51.28 | unixuser | the userspace is all 32 bit |
| 17:51.47 | n4dir | DusXMT: can you give me the link to the Gentoo ppc live CD ? |
| 17:52.17 | unixuser | Lydia_K: ok so I installed a newer kernel (slightly) |
| 17:52.20 | unixuser | and the headers |
| 17:52.24 | unixuser | and compiled it all |
| 17:52.27 | unixuser | and did it again |
| 17:52.32 | unixuser | and now to see if it worked |
| 17:52.35 | Lydia_K | Good luck! |
| 17:52.41 | unixuser | (prob didn't but pleeease I hope) |
| 17:53.21 | DusXMT | n4dir: http://distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/ppc/autobuilds/20140713/install-powerpc-minimal-20140713.iso |
| 17:54.02 | DusXMT | On the Yaboot prompt, you'll be able to select 3 possible kernels, G5 (64-bit), ppc32, and the third I don't recall since it's been half a year =3 |
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| 17:55.54 | unixuser | Lydia_K: nope it didn't work |
| 17:55.55 | n4dir | thanks DusXMT (yesterday i tried morphOS and solaris, but both didn't boot. Lubuntu does, but the grafic is ... well: urgh). |
| 17:55.58 | unixuser | kernel oops anyway |
| 17:56.07 | unixuser | Lydia_K: should I try the 64 bit driver? |
| 17:56.23 | Lydia_K | Not with a 32 bit kernel. |
| 17:57.15 | unixuser | http://pastebin.ca/3734060 |
| 17:57.30 | unixuser | Lydia_K: the distro claims these are x86_64 kernels |
| 17:57.37 | DusXMT | n4dir: I found that on my PowerBook G4, the modern, KMS radeon driver didn't work (it wouldn't show anything on the laptop screen, and if I attached an external monitor and started X, it would crash not long after), so I've opted for radeonfb, which can display the full screen resolution and color depth if you give it the kerenl argument to |
| 17:57.38 | unixuser | even though it is a 32 bit distro |
| 17:57.55 | DusXMT | radeonfb.mode_option=1152x768-32 |
| 17:57.59 | DusXMT | in my case |
| 17:58.25 | n4dir | thanks. haven't had much in mind with ppc for a while, so now everything is new (and fancy ) again. |
| 17:58.34 | n4dir | not easy to get info about it ... |
| 17:58.56 | DusXMT | (but having the full color depth, as opposed to the default 256 colors, _does_ slow down the console a little... it's still smooth though, just scrolls a little slower) |
| 17:59.22 | DusXMT | n4dir: Yeah, I had to scout a lot to get all I needed to set up this machine :) |
| 17:59.59 | n4dir | :-) |
| 18:00.18 | DusXMT | now has a nice PowerPC based lappy with Gentoo on an encrypted partition, with encrypted swap, dual-booting OS 9 ^.^ |
| 18:00.51 | n4dir | Oh, that would be nice, dual boot with OS X. Once i have the chance to look at it. Good info too |
| 18:01.08 | unixuser | Lydia_K: thoughts on that kernel oops? |
| 18:01.12 | unixuser | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.01 | DusXMT | knows he probably shouldn't advertise Gentoo in a Devuan channel, but the as well support Init freedom, so what the heck |
| 18:03.50 | n4dir | Well: not that much option these days, when it comes to systemd, so i have no problems in advertising Gentoo. |
| 18:04.10 | DusXMT | :) |
| 18:05.12 | unixuser | man why won't this work :( |
| 18:06.25 | unixuser | how do I copy over the config of whatever this old debian kernel is to a new kernel? |
| 18:06.53 | DusXMT | unixuser: You find the config first, it's probably in /boot/ |
| 18:07.39 | DusXMT | Then you go to the new kerne's source tree, do "make mrproper", copy the old config (eg. from /boot/) into the source tree, named .config, and run "make oldconfig" |
| 18:08.14 | DusXMT | unixuser: It'll most probably ask you a lot of questions on your way. Don't be afraid of them when they come up. If you don't understand something, go with the default option |
| 18:12.21 | DusXMT | unixuser: And once you have your shiny new kernel compiled and ready to take on the world, it'd be a good idea to install the config as well, eg. cp .config /boot/config-4.1.15-build0, so if you want to update, you have the config at your hand |
| 18:13.45 | n4dir | unixuser: not sure if this is of much help, but it tells you how to build kernel-headers too , well: i hope |
| 18:14.18 | n4dir | gotta mix and mash it with DusXMT s make oldconfig, i guess |
| 18:16.46 | n4dir | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.58 | unixuser | n4dir: how do I build the headers |
| 18:18.06 | unixuser | that was something " was thinkin gof |
| 18:18.15 | unixuser | as I'm going to pull a git repo |
| 18:18.20 | unixuser | how will the nvidia thing find it |
| 18:18.49 | n4dir | well, the link says to add kernel-headers to make-kpgk ; but i didn't compile debian kernel in ages |
| 18:18.56 | n4dir | fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version "-greek-hero-name" --revision "datestamp" --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
| 18:19.34 | DusXMT | /lib/modules/kernel_version/source has to be a symlink to either a kernel sources directory, or a light-weight "kernel headers directory" |
| 18:19.38 | DusXMT | n4dir: ^ |
| 18:19.40 | DusXMT | unixuser: ^ |
| 18:19.54 | DusXMT | /lib/modules/kernel_version/kernel contains kernel modules |
| 18:19.56 | unixuser | ok |
| 18:20.45 | DusXMT | ("make modules_install" populates /lib/modules/kernel_version/) |
| 18:21.24 | unixuser | and how do I get it to install the stuff in grub |
| 18:21.54 | n4dir | as far i can tell grub adds a new kernel on it's own, as soon you install one |
| 18:22.03 | n4dir | else update-grub |
| 18:22.11 | DusXMT | that is a good question... manual configuration is the easiest, but if you name your kernels and initrds in /boot in accordance with debian's naming conventions, update-grub should find it |
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| 19:13.34 | n4dir | did the kernel build suceed, unixuser ? |
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| 19:42.18 | nextime | o/ |
| 19:48.30 | MinceR | \o |
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| 21:19.13 | Vall | Howdy everyone. Just for the record, I've done my first "bare metal" system recovery from a tar backup using Devuan :-) |
| 21:19.51 | Vall | That is, using just a sysresccd boot and a tar backup file for the system. |
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| 21:51.41 | Vall | Folks, how do I adjust timezone in Devuan? |
| 21:52.07 | Vall | On EL, I'm used to just symlinking /etc/timezone to the appropriate file into /usr/share/zoneinfo, but it seems that this does not work with Devuan... |
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| 21:54.13 | Vall | oops |
| 21:54.13 | Vall | found my mistake, it's /etc/locatime, not timezone |
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| 22:08.18 | nextime | locally testing new version of bootstrap package |
| 22:08.29 | nextime | s/bootstrap/debootstrap |
| 22:09.24 | nextime | Vall: anyway, the devuan/debian way is to use dpkg-reconfigure tzdata |
| 22:09.37 | Vall | nextime: thanks for the tip. |
| 22:09.51 | Vall | I usually like to delve in and do it directly in the system files |
| 22:10.11 | nextime | me too, so, i understand your point |
| 22:10.12 | nextime | :) |
| 22:10.13 | Vall | for example, I don't like to run "service blabla start", I do "/etc/init.d/blabla start" |
| 22:10.15 | Vall | ;-) |
| 22:10.17 | Vall | Hehehe |
| 22:10.32 | Vall | Having some trouble with LANG here too |
| 22:10.33 | nextime | oh, don't you prefer to use systemd-ctl something? |
| 22:10.34 | nextime | :D |
| 22:10.38 | Vall | LOL |
| 22:10.55 | Vall | default is LANG=utf-8.en-US or something like that |
| 22:11.02 | Vall | changed to LANG=C |
| 22:11.16 | Vall | but this time I ran update-locale ;-) |
| 22:11.56 | Vall | I grepped into /etc and found /etc/default/locale, but wasn't sure it was only it. |
| 22:13.37 | Vall | Messing with docker here. |
| 22:13.56 | Vall | Trying to evaluate it as a lightweight VM environment vs OpenVZ |
| 22:14.19 | Vall | I've Just successfully (as far as I can see) installed it in a Devuan host |
| 22:14.52 | Vall | going through the Docker tutorial now: https://docs.docker.com/engine/userguide/ |
| 22:15.24 | Vall | if anyone can give me any hints, I'd be grateful as I'm a novice in *both* Devuan and Docker... |
| 22:19.50 | Vall | IT'S ALIVE!!!!! IT's A L I V E ! ! ! |
| 22:20.00 | Vall | docker run debitux/devuan /bin/echo 'Hello world' |
| 22:20.00 | Vall | Unable to find image 'debitux/devuan:latest' locally |
| 22:20.00 | Vall | latest: Pulling from debitux/devuan |
| 22:20.00 | Vall | 94e8b8f3004c: Pull complete |
| 22:20.00 | Vall | 046cda48a4f5: Pull complete |
| 22:20.01 | Vall | Digest: sha256:9b3937668e31030ee9ac783734c3f656b430b8e54826b3abe17adced28c9c54e |
| 22:20.03 | Vall | Status: Downloaded newer image for debitux/devuan:latest |
| 22:20.05 | Vall | Hello world |
| 22:20.21 | Vall | OTOH, this must have been the least efficient "Hello World" *ever* ;-) |
| 22:20.44 | Vall | scratches his head |
| 22:21.03 | nextime | Vall: i bet this one is less efficient: |
| 22:21.05 | nextime | http://dmitry.gr/index.php?r=05.Projects&proj=07.%20Linux%20on%208bit |
| 22:22.02 | Vall | OUCH |
| 22:22.13 | Vall | Someone booted linux on an AVR?! |
| 22:22.22 | Vall | Running an ARM Emulator?!? |
| 22:22.24 | nextime | yep, 4 years ago |
| 22:22.52 | Vall | I believe the los^H^H^Hguy waited 4 years just for it to print "Hello World" ... |
| 22:22.52 | nextime | he wrote an arm emulator to do it, and then run ubuntu over it :) |
| 22:23.09 | nextime | 6 hours to the texttual login |
| 22:23.38 | nextime | no |
| 22:23.41 | Vall | 6 hours is actually pretty fast |
| 22:23.44 | nextime | 2 hour to the textual login |
| 22:23.50 | Vall | even faster |
| 22:23.54 | nextime | and 4 more hour for the GUI |
| 22:24.03 | Vall | I would have said boot-time would be on the order of *days* |
| 22:24.13 | nextime | no sorry |
| 22:24.19 | Vall | AVR must be much more efficient than I give it credit for |
| 22:24.22 | pydsigner | This guy is insane |
| 22:24.24 | nextime | 2 hours to the boot prompt |
| 22:24.31 | nextime | 6 hour to the full booted textual login |
| 22:24.40 | nextime | and "starting X take longer" |
| 22:24.41 | nextime | :D |
| 22:24.51 | Vall | This is the kind of insanity that should get people into padded rooms for life... |
| 22:24.57 | nextime | Curiously enough, once booted, the system is somewhat usable. You can type a command and get a reply within a minute |
| 22:25.03 | Vall | LOL |
| 22:25.08 | Vall | a *minute*? ;-) |
| 22:25.10 | Vall | Oh man |
| 22:25.36 | MinceR | best ever use of an MMU-less system :> |
| 22:25.45 | Vall | I remember the first (OK, second) 8-bit microcomputer I messed with, back in the early 80s |
| 22:26.07 | nextime | well, my day to day job is done on top of 8bit MCUs |
| 22:26.17 | Vall | it was a TRS-80, and running an optimized OS, it went from power-on to thye OS command prompt in less that TWO SECONDS |
| 22:26.21 | nextime | but dmitry is simply crazy :) |
| 22:26.38 | Vall | And that loading everything from a 180KB floppy disk... |
| 22:27.17 | nextime | anyway, the great part is that this thing was done just to answer to the question |
| 22:27.26 | Vall | Nowadays, my Core-i7 quad notebook takes *minutes* to go to the command prompt... and that with FreeDoS, which is actually *less* capable than the OS I ran on the TRS-80 |
| 22:27.29 | nextime | "can you run linux on a 8 bit MCU?" question on a forum |
| 22:27.39 | nextime | where all, of course, were saying "no, you can't" |
| 22:27.52 | nextime | and dmitry was like to say "yes, you can!" |
| 22:27.52 | nextime | :D |
| 22:27.58 | Vall | I take back the "padded room" bit, and propose a shooting squad instead ;-) |
| 22:28.27 | Vall | The risk of him ever escaping would be simply too great :-) |
| 22:28.45 | Vall | And then torturing another innocent 8-bit CPU like he did to that poor AVR |
| 22:28.47 | Vall | No |
| 22:28.51 | Vall | better to shoot on sight ;-) |
| 22:29.05 | nextime | next step is to power that linux machine with a potato battery :D |
| 22:29.37 | Vall | For 2 hours? It's going to be a *large* potato ;-) |
| 22:29.45 | nextime | no, not a large one |
| 22:29.48 | nextime | just a lot of potatos |
| 22:29.48 | nextime | :D |
| 22:30.04 | Vall | How many mAhs do a potato produces? |
| 22:30.05 | Vall | ;-) |
| 22:30.23 | Vall | er, "does a potato produce", I mean |
| 22:33.04 | nextime | ~50mAh |
| 22:33.52 | pydsigner | That CPU shouldn't draw too much |
| 22:34.09 | MinceR | torturing? that AVR got to do something greater than any other AVR did :> |
| 22:34.15 | nextime | pydsigner: but you have to power also RAM and an SD reader |
| 22:34.25 | pydsigner | True |
| 22:34.57 | pydsigner | MinceR: It's the equivalent of child birth |
| 22:35.13 | pydsigner | Hours of agony to change history |
| 22:35.22 | nextime | probabl you can do that with fifty potatoes |
| 22:36.10 | nextime | ( 5 piles of 10 potatoes each , to achieve both voltage and mAh needed ) |
| 22:36.36 | Vall | sighs |
| 22:36.40 | MinceR | :) |
| 22:36.46 | Vall | looks like that kind of madness is contagious ;-) |
| 22:37.16 | MinceR | :D |
| 22:37.18 | nextime | Vall: : absolutely it is! |
| 22:37.57 | Vall | LOL |
| 22:38.02 | nextime | and i love potatos |
| 22:38.14 | nextime | you can even do polimers to 3d print with them |
| 22:38.15 | nextime | :D |
| 22:38.18 | Vall | I want mine cooked, if you will ;-) |
| 22:38.23 | nextime | ( already done that ) |
| 22:38.41 | golinux | Isn't that potato abuse? |
| 22:39.01 | Vall | Seriously? Polymers? I thought potatoes where mostly starch |
| 22:39.09 | golinux | To extract their life force? |
| 22:39.16 | Vall | How do you polymerize that? |
| 22:39.30 | nextime | golinux: when the first time i cooked a polymer with some potatoes, i 3d printed a plastic potato :) |
| 22:40.07 | nextime | it was funny to polymerize some potatoes, then make a filament, a 3d model, and then print a potato with it |
| 22:40.08 | golinux | Art imitates nature. |
| 22:40.32 | nextime | my daughter was enthusiast :) |
| 22:41.08 | nextime | http://www.instructables.com/id/Make-Potato-Plastic!/ |
| 22:41.13 | golinux | The abuse I was thinking of was the electrical conversion thing |
| 22:41.48 | MinceR | starches are polymers |
| 22:41.58 | MinceR | so's cellulose |
| 22:42.04 | MinceR | and proteins |
| 22:42.20 | nextime | yes |
| 22:42.29 | nextime | you just need to make then long enough |
| 22:42.46 | nextime | to have something that we can call "plastic" |
| 22:43.02 | golinux | Your daughter lives in the asylum! |
| 22:43.22 | golinux | With the mad scientist!! How cool is that!! |
| 22:43.31 | nextime | lol |
| 22:43.57 | golinux | Will be interesting to see what course her life takes . . . |
| 22:44.29 | nextime | actually he is showing interest for biology and medicine |
| 22:44.40 | nextime | but it's too young to say that |
| 22:44.52 | nextime | so, who knows :) |
| 22:45.29 | nextime | the funny part of my kids |
| 22:45.53 | golinux | I see the next GMO - a pre-polymerized potato. And then THAT gets into the food chain. Oh boy . . . |
| 22:46.02 | nextime | is that they are used to say "dad, can you print/build me this?" instead of "dad, can you buy me this"? |
| 22:46.05 | nextime | :D |
| 22:46.16 | MinceR | they're already polymerized :> |
| 22:46.33 | golinux | Self-sufficiency as long as the power flows. |
| 22:46.57 | nextime | golinux: i have 13kW of photovoltaic panels on the roof |
| 22:46.58 | nextime | :) |
| 22:47.10 | MinceR | DNA, proteins, cellulose, amylose, amylopectin -- all polymers |
| 22:47.16 | MinceR | RNA also |
| 22:47.17 | nextime | and a geothermic implant |
| 22:47.28 | golinux | MinceR: Oh they'd find a way to 'enhance' it no doubt. |
| 22:47.28 | nextime | so, my home is self sufficient energetically |
| 22:47.29 | nextime | :) |
| 22:47.41 | golinux | Which home? |
| 22:47.54 | nextime | golinux: mine |
| 22:47.59 | golinux | That is the question. You do move around a lot. |
| 22:48.31 | nextime | golinux: oh, yes, the south african one isn't yet the final one |
| 22:48.41 | nextime | but it will be modified with the same as the italian one |
| 22:48.47 | nextime | the one self sufficient is the italian one |
| 22:48.48 | nextime | :) |
| 22:48.54 | golinux | The Tenerife? |
| 22:48.58 | golinux | Then |
| 22:49.10 | nextime | tenerife is a small appartment |
| 22:49.17 | golinux | Ah . . . |
| 22:49.24 | golinux | And sout France? |
| 22:49.28 | golinux | south |
| 22:49.30 | nextime | same as tenerife |
| 22:50.51 | nextime | anyway, next month i will buy the final home in SA too |
| 22:50.52 | golinux | Sorry for being so curious . . . |
| 22:51.06 | nextime | and then i will start next year to make same things i've done in italy |
| 22:51.23 | nextime | so, home automation, photovoltaic and so on |
| 22:51.37 | nextime | and in the next 3 or 4 years i will sell the italian one |
| 22:52.49 | golinux | Npthing like living in the present. LOL! |
| 22:54.31 | nextime | well, i have things to do and plans for the next 500 years or something like that |
| 22:54.34 | nextime | :D |
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| 23:32.26 | golinux | nextime: Happy to see you fixed the keyring! |
| 23:34.27 | nextime | well, it was working good for apt, but the new format was giving issues with debootstrap |
| 23:34.35 | nextime | so, i fixed both |
| 23:34.36 | nextime | :) |
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