| 00:00.11 | pydsigner | Do you not have the right driver version for the RX 470? |
| 00:00.22 | pydsigner | There aren't many errors there |
| 00:03.33 | TwistedFate | pydsigner, yes |
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| 00:06.41 | fsmithred | there's also no RX 470 listed there |
| 00:06.54 | fsmithred | you might need newer xorg |
| 00:08.15 | TwistedFate | fsmithred, sorry i was disconnected for a while, if you typed something before this, i didnt see it |
| 00:09.24 | fsmithred | I just said that rx 470 isn't listed in the log output. You might need newer xorg |
| 00:10.05 | fsmithred | or maybe proprietary driver |
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| 07:30.45 | premoboss | hi all. i tried to install devuan beta 1.0.0 jessie x86 32 bit on a virtual machine (kvm). If i do it STANDALONE installation FAILS! i am forcedo to do istallation win real PC connected to internet. this bug is so bad, i suppose it was solved istead is still present. |
| 07:32.15 | premoboss | of course i used a comolede tisk (647MB devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta_i386_CD.iso) and not the netist iso. |
| 07:32.23 | premoboss | comolede=complete |
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| 07:56.30 | sacarde | hi |
| 08:03.23 | sacarde | What do you recommend for the services management? |
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| 08:19.20 | gnu_srs | premoboss: Unfortunately due to a slight mistake the iso file still requires the network :( Centurion_Dan ^^ |
| 08:21.43 | premoboss | I SELECT ONLU SSH serrvwer and utilities an go on. but fail to install. now i repeat but deselect ssh server and utilities |
| 08:32.34 | premoboss | now i am in cli, devuan is up. grub still report "bebian" istead of "devuan" :-) |
| 08:32.42 | premoboss | now install lxde |
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| 09:37.26 | premoboss | ok, now lcde is up and running in devuan :-) |
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| 10:41.40 | gnu_srs | premoboss: :) |
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| 10:59.16 | Centurion_Dan | gnu_srs: it's a known issue, caused by the on dvd repo not being signed. The next release will fix this. |
| 11:18.11 | premoboss | Centurion_Dan, when nex release will be pushed out? i will like to have wit me always a cd of devuan with no istalling offline bug. |
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| 11:35.03 | Centurion_Dan | I can't commit to a date without talking to all the key people. It is very high on our list of priorities tho. |
| 11:38.11 | premoboss | ok |
| 11:38.19 | premoboss | good it it came for xmas |
| 11:38.23 | premoboss | good if it came for xmas |
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| 12:53.14 | mns` | good morning |
| 12:53.50 | mns` | where i can found devuan wallpapers? |
| 13:04.15 | gallux | As far I could see, there is no enough devuan wallpapers out there |
| 13:04.30 | gallux | mmm |
| 13:05.26 | gallux | I have read that is a freenode channel to devuan's related artwork |
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| 14:01.51 | armin | ohai! |
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| 17:04.27 | rumflump | I have none artwork |
| 17:04.36 | rumflump | sorry gallux |
| 17:23.30 | gallux | ahh don't worry rumflump |
| 17:24.17 | gallux | Perhaps devuan needs some artwork contests |
| 17:25.29 | gallux | to build its identity :) |
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| 17:33.36 | aitor | mns`: |
| 17:33.44 | aitor | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/21 |
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| 17:47.19 | golinux | gallux: We already have an identity |
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| 17:48.04 | golinux | Logo, wallpaper and color palette for jessie. |
| 17:48.15 | golinux | Will change for ascii. |
| 17:49.52 | golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/ |
| 17:50.52 | golinux | Well, the logo won't change. ;) |
| 17:50.59 | gallux | ahh thank you golinux :)) |
| 17:51.59 | golinux | Note that the slim artwork in there is not the current one. |
| 17:59.33 | golinux | It's here: https://git.devuan.org/hellekin/slim/blob/suites/jessie/debian/devuan-curve/panel.png |
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| 18:01.33 | fsmithred | there's a page at git.devuan.org that lists all issues. I've seen it. I've even posted some issues. How do I get to that page now?' |
| 18:02.01 | golinux | Every project has issue listings |
| 18:02.26 | fsmithred | ok, I'm clicking on Projects to see the Projects, but it doesn't take me there |
| 18:02.43 | gallux | mmm |
| 18:02.44 | golinux | https://git.devuan.org/dashboard/projects You're here? |
| 18:03.02 | fsmithred | no |
| 18:03.12 | fsmithred | I'm somewhere stuck in a search page |
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| 18:03.40 | fsmithred | ok, that brings me to my project |
| 18:03.47 | golinux | Click on your avatar |
| 18:03.59 | fsmithred | no, I clicked on Explore Projects |
| 18:04.23 | fsmithred | where's my avatar? |
| 18:04.27 | golinux | Upper RH corner. It lists your activity |
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| 18:05.06 | golinux | See what you're looking for there? |
| 18:05.11 | fsmithred | Profile, Profile Settings, Sign Out |
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| 18:05.23 | fsmithred | Explore is how I usually find it |
| 18:05.30 | sheepluva | yo. cinnamon packages are broken in beta, eh? (couldn't install it neither during graphical devuan install, nor with apt-get or synaptic -> "broken packages") |
| 18:05.58 | robert-e | https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages/issues |
| 18:06.05 | golinux | fsmithred: They the avatar it's painless |
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| 18:06.34 | sheepluva | robert-e: thanks :) |
| 18:06.38 | fsmithred | so I have to go through every project to figure out if greenjeans posted about the package descriptions? |
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| 18:07.45 | golinux | The c;lick on greenjeans avatar. Maybe you can see his activity. |
| 18:09.45 | robert-e | https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages/activity |
| 18:11.49 | fsmithred | robert-e, thanks, those are helpful |
| 18:11.53 | fsmithred | bookmarking them |
| 18:12.17 | robert-e | fsmithred" git confuses me..lol |
| 18:12.45 | fsmithred | I would like a map |
| 18:13.12 | fsmithred | tree git.devuan.org |
| 18:13.55 | robert-e | fsmithred: Heh..I would need a guide dog...anyway, I am out of here...heading off to my son's for thanksgiving today..have good one. |
| 18:14.13 | fsmithred | you too |
| 18:28.25 | fsmithred | I posted an issue about the long package descriptions missing - https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/75 |
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| 21:05.53 | fsmithred | rrq, hi |
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| 21:06.53 | aitor | hi |
| 21:07.35 | fsmithred | hi aitor |
| 21:07.42 | aitor | hi |
| 21:08.02 | aitor | i'm uploading the beta of gnuinos |
| 21:08.16 | aitor | with openbox |
| 21:08.33 | fsmithred | cool |
| 21:08.48 | aitor | few minutes |
| 21:09.26 | aitor | tomorrow i'll update the repository, including vdev |
| 21:13.06 | aitor | done: |
| 21:13.09 | aitor | gnuinos.org/beta/Gnuinos-2-Beta:2016.10-OpenBox_i386.iso |
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| 21:14.46 | aitor | jordila :) |
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| 21:19.44 | rrq | morning, both :-) |
| 21:20.04 | aitor | hi rrq :) |
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| 21:20.44 | fsmithred | hi |
| 21:20.59 | fsmithred | I just got back to testing your vdev yesterday and today |
| 21:21.08 | aitor | i've to do some light changes in vdev |
| 21:21.25 | fsmithred | yesterday (before vdevd-2.0) my camera started appearing in xsane again |
| 21:21.41 | fsmithred | so I made a fresh install and started with the latest debs |
| 21:22.18 | fsmithred | without scanner.act I can start xsane, it doesn't give me the camera as a choice, and I can't use the scanner. Permissions don't change. |
| 21:22.32 | rrq | :-( |
| 21:22.38 | fsmithred | with scanner.act, the permissions get changed and I can use the scanner |
| 21:22.53 | fsmithred | but xsane gives me a choice of scanner or camera |
| 21:23.24 | fsmithred | ralph.log gets generated if I manually stop and start vdev |
| 21:23.39 | rrq | ah; is your PRODUCT line in scanner.act saying 255/255/255 ? |
| 21:23.44 | aitor | xsane needs root's permissions with or without vdev |
| 21:25.08 | rrq | btw please email me /root/ralph/log |
| 21:25.17 | fsmithred | no, with 255/255/255, two usb devices get put in group scanner |
| 21:25.24 | fsmithred | with product id, only one |
| 21:25.25 | rrq | /.log/.log |
| 21:25.43 | fsmithred | ok |
| 21:26.05 | rrq | ok; hmm and xsane insists the camera is a scanner...? |
| 21:27.26 | rrq | I had got the impression it relied on the group setting. obviously it's something else, btu the group setting is required. |
| 21:27.44 | aitor | fsmithred, rrq: Tomorrow I had to get up early, see you :) |
| 21:28.07 | rrq | g'night |
| 21:28.17 | aitor | :) |
| 21:29.41 | rrq | I'm guessing some other .act does something to fool xsane... hmm |
| 21:31.41 | rrq | .. something it shouldn't.. need to figure out whach and what; or maybe discovering "what" will tell us "which"... |
| 21:32.42 | fsmithred | camera and scanner are essentially the same thing |
| 21:33.29 | rrq | ? a single device (USB connector)? |
| 21:34.02 | fsmithred | no, I mean they both take optical input |
| 21:34.11 | fsmithred | scanner is a copy-camera |
| 21:34.46 | fsmithred | they are different devices on the usb bus |
| 21:34.59 | fsmithred | not even on the same bus |
| 21:35.47 | rrq | so xsane is able to operate the camera? ie it's right of it to recognize it? |
| 21:36.24 | fsmithred | I did try that, but it didn't work. got 'invalid argument' |
| 21:36.47 | fsmithred | just thinking that on some level of classification, they are the same |
| 21:37.16 | fsmithred | or it's a bug in xsane |
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| 21:38.40 | rrq | right. but the software doesn't make that kind of classification of course. It's rather probably that the camera gets lumped in to the list of choices because it is in some list of links or device nodes somewhere. |
| 21:39.26 | fsmithred | I think it's weird that the cam is seen even when its permissions don't get changed |
| 21:40.21 | rrq | I'll need to get xsane installed and poke at it. I wouldn't be surprised ot there's some new code in it that refers dierectly into the /sys tree whereas the active function probably uses the /dev tree |
| 21:40.31 | rrq | ot=if |
| 21:41.23 | fsmithred | it's also possible that my usb hardware is wonky |
| 21:44.37 | rrq | pondering the log file |
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| 21:45.33 | fsmithred | pretty sure the camera is the one from Suyin Corp. usb1 |
| 21:45.40 | fsmithred | 001/003 |
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| 21:49.39 | fsmithred | brb |
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| 21:55.00 | rrq | by its modalias, it's declared as "EF=Miscellaneous device" while the scanner is declared ("FF=Vendor specific") |
| 21:55.52 | fsmithred | you're saying that's how we can tell them apart? |
| 21:56.19 | rrq | this might lead back to the fact that the USB class codes don't include scanners, and is seriously defunct also for cameras. |
| 21:56.48 | fsmithred | let me get my jaw off the floor |
| 21:56.51 | rrq | it does know the difference between "RNDIS over Ethernet" and "RNDIS over WiMAX" |
| 21:57.12 | fsmithred | lol, I don't. |
| 21:57.17 | rrq | one might think there has been specific interests driving the classification scheme |
| 21:57.35 | rrq | how about RNDIS over WWAN? |
| 21:57.39 | fsmithred | yeah |
| 21:58.18 | fsmithred | udev rules fill the need? |
| 21:59.41 | fsmithred | The fact that the camera shows up in xsane isn't a big problem. |
| 21:59.57 | rrq | did/does the same thing happen with udev? |
| 22:00.02 | fsmithred | no |
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| 22:00.58 | fsmithred | having to put the product id into scanner.act is more than we can expect the average use to deal with. |
| 22:01.24 | fsmithred | were you expecting it to work without scanner.act? |
| 22:02.08 | fsmithred | gonna reboot to double-check with udev |
| 22:02.18 | fsmithred | also, haven't tried going back to udev on this new install |
| 22:02.33 | rrq | yes; supposedly the group setting should happen because that device is in hwdb |
| 22:03.38 | rrq | you can see in the log file that "VDEV_HWDB_CATEGORY=scanner" |
| 22:04.06 | rrq | and that should have caused the right thing to happen. |
| 22:04.26 | fsmithred | udev shows the cam as a scanner in xsane |
| 22:04.32 | fsmithred | same as vdev |
| 22:04.38 | fsmithred | so it's not a vdev problem |
| 22:04.49 | rrq | ok; that's what I would have expected |
| 22:05.09 | rrq | neither udev nor vdev can "remove" classifications |
| 22:05.18 | rrq | they can onld "add" them |
| 22:06.45 | rrq | the camera (064E/D283/0314) is not in the udev database/rules either |
| 22:07.53 | rrq | but apparently vdev doesn't do the right thing even though it has the scanner as a scanner in its database. |
| 22:09.15 | fsmithred | one other thing... |
| 22:09.53 | fsmithred | when I switch it back to udev, it boots. Works fine in console, then startx, and desktop comes up with no mouse or keyboard |
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| 22:10.24 | fsmithred | have to use magic sysrq or ssh in to reboot |
| 22:11.51 | rrq | mmm... no fun. |
| 22:11.58 | greenjeans | Hi golinux, you don't happen to have a slim theme laying around that's gray themed, possibly with some blue too? |
| 22:13.05 | greenjeans | doing a new iso with custom configs, using the aurora engine and mostly grays in the desktop with the blue fog icons |
| 22:13.17 | golinux | No just purpy but you should be able to change the colors https://git.devuan.org/hellekin/slim/tree/suites/jessie/debian/devuan-curve |
| 22:13.29 | golinux | You can fork that pkg. |
| 22:13.38 | rrq | fsmithred: so, without scanner.act, you don't see the group setting happen on the /dev path |
| 22:13.48 | fsmithred | right |
| 22:13.52 | golinux | Note: it might be getting renamed. |
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| 22:15.50 | greenjeans | okay thanks, i'm just being lazy here |
| 22:17.03 | greenjeans | guess I could boot up the old machine with cs3 on it and do some new stuff myself (heresy I know, but still works better for me than gimp) |
| 22:18.55 | greenjeans | you ever do anything with fractals? |
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| 22:19.18 | golinux | I like to look at them. |
| 22:19.56 | greenjeans | lol, cool, i'll be uploading some stuff i've done in the past sometime this coming week |
| 22:20.06 | greenjeans | some neat wallpapers in there |
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| 22:20.33 | golinux | You will need more than an image editor. You'll have to tweak colors in the svg theme |
| 22:21.08 | greenjeans | I like doing mixed artwork combining fractal stuff from apophysis, my photography, and some 'shop work |
| 22:21.43 | greenjeans | uggh, vector..... |
| 22:21.51 | greenjeans | inkscape work? |
| 22:22.24 | golinux | Indeed. I just have a purpy gradient on my desktop. Don't like clutter/business of any sort |
| 22:22.58 | golinux | I would just edit the colors with a text editor. |
| 22:23.43 | greenjeans | yeah, I like a clean desktop too, no icons, just nice wallpaper and a small conky display with date-time and what's currently playing on my music player |
| 22:23.53 | golinux | I've worked with svg but never installed inkscape. |
| 22:24.45 | greenjeans | I tried it, but i'm a raster man so I lost interest pretty quick |
| 22:28.33 | ryuujin | rasta man |
| 22:29.52 | greenjeans | yep, 3 little birds outside my doorstep |
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| 22:35.17 | rrq | fsmithred: sent you a patch file on email -- please check if that makes the scanner be workable without using scanner.act |
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| 22:56.39 | fsmithred | rrq, where do I put that file? |
| 23:01.16 | rrq | /lib/vdev/compiled.sh |
| 23:02.39 | rrq | oops: started with slash... /lib/vdev/compiled.sh |
| 23:03.28 | fsmithred | yeah, got it |
| 23:03.44 | fsmithred | stop/start vdev didn't change it |
| 23:04.06 | fsmithred | rebuild initrd and reboot is... |
| 23:04.31 | rrq | mm yes it might need to get into initramfs of course :-( |
| 23:05.56 | fsmithred | didn't change |
| 23:06.47 | rrq | you are not doing this to me omn purpuse ? |
| 23:06.51 | rrq | :-) |
| 23:06.56 | fsmithred | not |
| 23:07.12 | fsmithred | I wish someone else with a scanner would test |
| 23:08.11 | rrq | I need to send another patch with some more logging ... though might have to be a bit later today |
| 23:08.20 | fsmithred | ok |
| 23:08.44 | fsmithred | it's 7pm here, so if it's waiting for me in the morning, I'll try it. |
| 23:09.05 | rrq | thanks |
| 23:10.04 | fsmithred | glad to help |
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| 23:34.43 | fsmithred | rrq, here are the error messages from compiled.sh: /bin/chgrp: cannot access '/dev/UNKNOWN': No such file or directory |
| 23:35.12 | fsmithred | and: /bin/chmod: cannot access '/dev/UNKNOWN': No such file or directory |
| 23:36.01 | rrq | thanks. yes, my assumptions about the execution environment are wrong. |
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