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09:39.12angehello
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10:07.43GupAnyone else having trouble (or got to work) suspend on lid in xfce4-power-manager under a non xfce4 DE?  I'm using i3wm.
10:07.49GupPower button and idle time settings respect my choice of shutdown/hibernate/suspend but laptop lid seems to be ignored.
10:09.39GupLots of workarounds suggest editing /etc/systemd/logind.conf and letting systemd handle it :/
10:10.41angehmm, that'd be annoying to have to deal with systemd in devuan
10:12.24hellekinange: you're on the wrong channel.
10:12.59Gupyeah! that file of course doesnt exist otherwise i'd give it a shot
10:13.17angehellekin: exactly my point
10:13.54rrq`I've gone for "old school" and use acpid + pm-utils, and a lidbutton script
10:13.56hellekinGup: try pm-utils
10:14.09Gupdebug output looks fine i think: http://pastebin.com/EJLkFDdL with nothing additional output during a lid close event
10:14.53hellekinrrq`: could you share your setup with Gup?
10:15.27Guphellekin, pm-utils is installed. I think without it xfce4-power-manager wasn't able to suspend on any event
10:15.46rrq`sure; I purged xfce4-power-manager
10:16.05rrq`then used acpid (I believe it was installed)
10:16.36rrq`added /etc/acpi/lidbtn-suspend.sh script
10:17.12rrq`and /etc/acpi/events/lidbtn-suspend "script"
10:17.26rrq`(the other order, conceptually)
10:17.50Gupok i might give that a shot, would be a shame to loose xfce4-power-manager though
10:18.11Gupi'd need to script all the other aspects it does work for
10:18.13rrq`the latter is two lines: "event=button[ /]lid" and "action=/etc/acpi/lidbtn-suspend.sh %e"
10:19.22rrq`the other a bit longer as I also trigger xtrlock... in addition to /usr/sbin/pm-suspend
10:20.05hellekinlooks like we have xfce4-power-manager in both devuan-packages and devuan-for-review...  I guess the review is done then :P
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10:20.59rrq`basically just handle the $3=close case and ignore the $3=open case
10:22.11Gupcool, thanks for the idea, looks like powerbutton is handled in /etc/acpi too, maybe i can copy that to get lid working in xfce4-power-manager
10:22.48rrq`I put mine at http://pastebin.com/WSAjxihy (I think; never used pastebin before)
10:23.24Gupi _thought_ it worked when i did a clean install with xfce4 as the default and only DE. but i didnt stick with that for long
10:25.06Gupthanks rrq` i'll use that to test the events are coming through correctly, nice debug in there already :)
10:25.49Guphellekin, what is this review you speak of? Do you want me to report/collect any info somewhere?
10:26.33Gupi'll try a clean install with xfce4 full desktop too if i can find a spare partition/disk
10:27.05hellekinGup: devuan-review is a git.do group where "new packages" are supposed to enter so that Devuan developers can evaluate them before accepting them into experimental.  But xfce4-power-manager is already in stable, so this entry is quite irrelevant.
10:27.52hellekinGup: I was looking for a bug report or workaround but didn't find anything yet.  I guess you also looked a bit.
10:30.10Guphellekin, yeah, lots of stuff like https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=206840 but all seems to involve systemd
10:30.48Gupi did try the testing version as it was a point release or two newer but no difference, worth trying unstable/experimental?
10:31.13hellekinLooking at the bug list in xfce4-power-manager I'm wondering whether LXDE is not a better default option for Devuan desktop.  I've seen that installed and running without a flaw.
10:31.53hellekinhas no preference for desktop: been using awesome for years.
10:32.26Guphmm, what power manager does LXDE use?
10:35.30Gupi'm trying to make a fairly non-techy environment as I maintain linux distributions for a few users.  while i'd be happy with scripting stuff it would be nice for them to be able to adjust timeouts in a gui :/
10:36.18hellekinGup: dunno, but it works out of the box.
10:37.18Gupmight try a few different DE's with clean installs then.. i'll report back, thanks for the ideas
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11:12.35Guprrq`, your sleep script works, cheers :)
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11:24.49rrq`cheers :-)
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12:23.58aitorRalph :)
12:25.06aitorhi hellekin
12:27.08Inocuousgood morning
12:27.41aitorgood morning :)
12:27.54InocuousMy batter is failing on this laptop. I have to run windows to get to the interface for the support. yuck.
12:27.56rrq`evening :-)
12:28.19aitori'm changing the code of initramfs-tools
12:28.23aitorusing:
12:29.08aitorif ! [ -e /etc/init.d/vdev ]; then
12:29.13aitorfi
12:30.09rrq`or [ !
12:31.23aitorrrq: if vdev exits, the code will be skipped
12:32.10rrq`wold be better if it could *not* mention either vdev nor udev (?)
12:32.26rrq`s/wol/woul/
12:32.32aitorthere are four delays of 10 seconds waiting for the udev service
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12:33.30aitortime to eat, see you :)
12:33.43rrq`bon apetit :-)
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12:54.02hellekinhey aitor
12:54.15hellekinbon appétit as well :]
12:57.51fsmithredrrq`, I'm gonna install your latest debs today.
12:58.39rrq`should be a breeze ;-)
12:59.47fsmithredwhat's the trick for switching between udev/vdev?
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13:01.04rrq`e.g. /usr/share/vdev/vdev-install.sh dialog
13:01.45fsmithredthanks
13:02.17rrq`np
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13:32.33fsmithredrrq`, you ready for a report?
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13:34.32Gupok, i was wrong, seems xfce4-power-manager lid event doesn't even work "out the box" on a clean xfce install
13:35.09Guptrying lxde now...
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13:48.31Inocuousxfce seems deficient in a few areas. But it's so light and generally works pretty well
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13:58.37Gupyeah i recommend it to those who are used to a stacking WM and want a bit of a DE.  Personally the only package I'm trying to use is the power manager.
14:00.13Guphmm, looks like lxde uses the xfce4-power-manager
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14:31.35AntoFoxhi
14:36.07AntoFoxI'm trying to compile cjs from source
14:36.21AntoFoxbut during the process I get this error message:     ./configure: line 2454: `AX_IS_RELEASE(always)'
14:36.51AntoFoxany suggestions on how to fix it?
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14:42.25zdzichuupgrade autoconf to newer version? this macro was added on 2015-02-04
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14:49.44AntoFoxzdzichu: ah ok! now I try
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15:16.57golinuxGup: Do you have upower installed?
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15:34.18fsmithredgolinux,  Gup is gone. I have upower installed, but lid action does not work.
15:34.39fsmithredI have to select Suspend from the logout dialog.
15:36.16golinuxWell, I've never had a lappy.
15:36.47golinuxMight actually be useful to have one.
15:37.29golinuxCould create captive audiences for a Devuan demo
15:38.07golinuxYeah, I saw he was gone but thought he might read the logs . . .
15:39.54golinuxupower used to be the solution . . .
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15:49.39fsmithredI like having a laptop. It gets used more often than I expected.
15:50.02fsmithreduu-oh, wrong channel.
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16:50.13Inocuousfsmithred, you can admit to laptops here. we don't ask or tell. :)
16:50.41Lydia_KLOL
16:50.50Lydia_KI'm pretty much all laptop these days
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16:51.38Inocuousnice. me too. have been for a couple years.
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16:52.15Inocuousmy gateway desktop seems to have a memory issue, whether it's just the memory itself or the motherboard, idk
16:52.35Inocuousanyway, that would be a good candidate for devuan if I could get it running.
16:53.03Lydia_KMy old tower is literally living out it's life as an end table.
16:54.03Inocuousnice. haha.
16:56.56fsmithredI need two monitors, and lately, I'm wanting a third.
16:57.20Lydia_KOh I always have a second monitor for my laptop on my desk.
16:57.56fsmithredI might switch to that at some point.
16:58.02fsmithredanyway, I gotta go. See you later.
16:59.00Lydia_Klater
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17:52.33aitorGup: there is another battery applet:
17:52.35aitorfdpowermon
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19:54.30Gupgolinux, i do have upower installed, without it i couldnt select suspend for any action, but like fsmithred lid action still does nothing
19:54.36Gup(i do read the logs ;)
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19:55.35AntoFoxhi
19:56.03Gupinterestingly that about having to select suspend from the logout menu reminds me of a workaround i've had to apply to a few ubuntu installs, where resume after lid close resulted in black screen, but suspend from menu worked fine
19:56.30AntoFoxI was able to compile cinnamon on devuan Jessie, but now
19:56.34AntoFoxon ceres
19:57.24AntoFoxthere is a problem, on cinnamon-session should I replace logind
19:58.00AntoFoxif use "login" when start cinnamon this go in crash
19:58.31AntoFoxthere is now an alternative to login?
20:00.51AntoFoxfor "login" I mean this software: http://pkg-shadow.alioth.debian.org/
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20:30.02angeI am looking into getting a base AMI running for devuan, any suggestions?
20:30.16angewould something similar to http://www.idevelopment.info/data/AWS/AWS_Tips/AWS_Management/AWS_10.shtml work ?
20:37.32angehmm https://wiki.debian.org/Cloud/CreateEC2Image that might be more appropriate
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20:48.04fsmithredange, it looks like you could adapt the debian instructions for devuan. Use a devuan repo for the debootstrap.
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20:51.03fsmithredange, see: https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/Minimal-install-guide
20:54.53angethanks fsmithred
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21:32.59angedoesn't look too bad for now
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21:57.32fsmithredapt-cache search and apt-cache show don't seem to be working properly
21:57.49fsmithredI have contrib and non-free enabled and updated
21:58.25fsmithredapt-cache search rtl8723 shows nothing in jessie and ascii. In wheezy and stretch, it tells me 'firmware-realtek'
21:59.11fsmithredapt-cache show firmware-realtek gives me a little information in jessie or ascii, and gives me that same information plus a list of realtek models supported in wheezy and stretch.
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22:01.38Centurion_DanInocuous: if you've got a high ambient humidity and a good build up of dust on the memory modules, particularly around the edge contact strips, give a good clean.  I've fixed a number of pc's with a good clean using a pastry brush and vacuum cleaner.
22:02.14Centurion_Dangroan....
22:03.20Centurion_Danyou'd think english wasn't my my first language the way I'm typing today.
22:03.26fsmithredbb 1hr
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22:10.03aitorhi centurion_DAn, fsmithred :)
22:10.41aitorCenturion_Dan
22:11.17aitorhi rrp'
22:11.26angewell ... got an AMI, it starts and kernel panic because of the FS
22:11.46angethat sounds like more to check tomorrow ...
22:12.20aitorrrq`
22:12.43rrqmornin'
22:12.55aitormorning`
22:13.25aitori just send an email to the mailing list
22:14.23aitorif you understand spanish:
22:14.26aitorhttp://lasombradelhelicoptero.com/90-segundos-odiando-a-systemd/
22:14.55Centurion_Danhi aitor!
22:15.10aitorhi dan :)
22:15.33rrqgot a participation certificate from the 2-week course in Spanish :-)
22:15.54golinuxCenturion_Dan: You called?
22:15.57aitorthe author mentions to our friend Emiliano Marini
22:16.20aitorHe is from Argentina, i think
22:16.37aitorSo, he doesn't surf
22:18.34aitori talked about this issue months ago:
22:18.35aitorhttps://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160120.004934.14fa1655.en.html
22:21.03aitorEmiliano Marini translated dev1fanboys guide about how to upgrade from debian to devuan
22:23.15aitorlasombradelhelicoptero means:
22:23.34aitori take my hat off
22:23.51aitorreally
22:24.07Centurion_Danaitor: :-)
22:24.41aitoryou don't believe it :)
22:24.42Centurion_DanI tried to google translate that page and google failed...  apparently it was too big.
22:25.16Centurion_DanI do, absolutely.
22:25.50aitoryou are talented
22:25.53rrqi got google to suggest "helicopter shadow"
22:26.11rrqwould be "I put my hat on" ???
22:26.50aitorsave.. i'm googling
22:26.58rrqor no: "it blows ny hat off" :-)
22:27.39rrqor perhaps "it blows my mind and my hat is off"...
22:28.01aitorlol.. see you tomorrow :)
22:28.24rrqI'm here already. see you.
22:28.41aitorbye
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